Episode 203 - Watches Roundup for September 15, 2022

Published on Wed, 14 Sep 2022 22:52:53 -0700

Synopsis

This is a transcript of a podcast episode where the hosts Andrew and Everett discuss various watch-related news and releases. They talk about new Seiko watches in the Presage line, Timex's new Pan Am pilots watches, a new Spinnaker dive watch, and a multi-function Bell & Ross watch. They also discuss Rescapement's Tony Traina joining Hodinkee, new Hamilton watch releases, the issue of watch flippers, and Everett's experience with a broken laptop screen and his recommendation for the Thule laptop sleeve. There are also some humorous asides about Andrew's vacation and Tom Brady's personal life.

Transcript

Speaker
Andrew Hello fellow watch lovers, nerds, enthusiasts, or however you identify. You're listening to 40 in 20 The Watch Clicker podcast with your hosts Andrew and my good friend Everett. Here we talk about watches, food, drinks, life, and other things we like. Everett, besides being off your microphone management game today, how are you?
Everett Wow. You know, uh, no, I'm good. It's uh, it's Wednesday.
Andrew Nope. Yeah, it is Wednesday. You're right. It's fine.
Everett It's Wednesday. I'm fine. I'm, uh, borderline overwhelmed. Uh, professionally, I've got a project that some of you guys may know about called foster AK foster watch company that is getting very close to crunch time. And that's been A lot. I'm doing things I've never done before. A lot of butt stuff. A lot of butt stuff. No, I've been doing that for years. But yeah, I mean, things that you don't really think about, like designing inserts for packaging and, you know, there's just a lot of things. There's a lot of things. And that's been stressful because it's an extra, right? It's in addition to everything else. Also so important. Super important.
Andrew Right. Like, and I think it's often overlooked by watch brands is like, I'm totally, like when I got my Commodorski, it came in a small cardboard box that was squished. No frills.
Everett Yeah, I mean, you're getting what you're paying for in that situation.
Andrew You know, you buy a Speedmaster Pro, it comes in like a thousand dollar Pelican case.
Everett Yeah, well, and you know, Omega's got the resources they probably have. I should say I'm certain, but maybe I'll just say I'm almost certain that Omega's got entire, like an entire team dedicated to preparing packaging.
Andrew I'm sure, I'm certain they do, but you know, you look at, you know, use pricing box and papers is $2,000 when you're spending it on, you know, the power five.
Everett Yeah. Yeah. So, so anyway, doing that, which is not to say we've, we're going to have anything like Omega packaging. In fact, we've gone with a less is more approach on, on that, but still there's knockoff Pelican cases.
Andrew Yes.
Everett Yes. Then we got the ones at Harbor Freight. Uh, still there are things you have to do and, and so that's, I'm learning a lot of new things and, but, but it's all kind of extra, right? It's like in addition to my normal life. And so I'm just feeling, I'm feeling overwhelmed.
Andrew Many irons in the fire. Yeah. And they're all about ready to come out.
Everett That's right. That's right. And I've also, speaking of irons, picked this week to forget to do dry cleaning or like my laundry. on my shirts and stuff. So in addition to that, I've been like ironing every day, which is just a thing that I don't do. I haven't done it in years. I just take my shirts and stuff to the laundry and then I get them back and they're ready to go and then I wear them. Um, but I didn't do it last week. And so that's just added to the stress.
Andrew That was the straw. No, that was it.
Everett That was it. Ironing, ironing shirts. Uh, yeah. Andrew, Andrew, enough about me. This is like, how are you doing? Oh, I'm busy.
Andrew Andrew, how are you doing? I'm terrific. I'm not busy. I am on vacation, sort of. I have like a brief break in vacation where a day that I couldn't take off, I have to go back for. So over 16 days, I have to work one. It's a huge tragedy.
Everett Yeah. And it's at the football game.
Andrew Yeah. Well, in addition to my normal job. So it's going to be a very long day. But other than that, I'm on vacation. It's awesome. My hair's growing. My face is itchy because I'm not shaving. And I'm just hanging at the house getting all the things done that I'm like, oh, I need to take care of that. Oh, I should do that. And a lot of people use vacation to like chill. And and Sam has been like, dude, you need to stop doing so much because you're on vacation. I'm like, no, no, no. This is all stuff that is like it gnaws at me when I don't do it, like things that just look me in the eye and are talking shit to me like you don't have the energy to do me. And now I have the energy and the time and I'm just in the inclination. Yeah. No excuses. And I am just, I'm running through it, getting all that shit done.
Everett I did see, I did see your, uh, your shrubbery was trend pretty dramatically.
Andrew It turns out there's actually five small shrubs next to my driveway. Not one large zigzaggy shrub.
Everett Well, in any event, I did see, I did see the shrubs were trimmed. They look very nice.
Andrew I had to stop yard work because my yard debris bin was filled.
Everett Isn't that the worst?
Andrew No, it was nice to stop. Okay. I was, I was glad when I reached like a natural limit to what I could do. Cause there was probably, there was another couple hours of work that could be done, but then I would have a weird pile of debris.
Everett You know, I've got these, I've got these plants in the front yard. They grow to be what, 10 feet tall, but in the winter you trim them back to two feet of stick. It's just two feet of naked stick. But then they grow to these, you know, giant 15 by 10 foot tall, super luscious, giant bushes.
Andrew And there's flower nicely too.
Everett It's incredible. But then, you know, the winter you cut them back, but that is so much material. Last year it was, I think four or five full yard debris containers. So I have to like trim them over the, you know, and that's with no leaves or anything. That's just the sticks that you cut back. So I have to like, it's every two weeks on yard debris. So I have to like cut them over like a month and a half, two months.
Andrew I get out my little electric chainsaw, my 10-inch bar, and just drive it down into the yard debris bin to try to break it up and further compress everything.
Everett I could get a pickup or a trailer or a chipper, maybe. I don't know.
Andrew If you'd be down with storing a chipper, I would go in on the money with you.
Unknown But where would we put the chips?
Andrew You have... Next year, you have so much space to put an appliance like that.
Everett Andrew, Andrew, we are... Yard debris be damned. Wood chippers. Wood chippers be damned. Future other things. Spoiler. What do you say? This is a teaser. This is a teaser. We're foreshadowing a future other thing.
Andrew We're going to be getting a wood chipper.
Everett We're talking about watches today.
Andrew We're there.
Everett We're talking about watches today. Lots, lots, lots of stuff to talk about.
Unknown Yeah.
Everett We're gonna, we're gonna span, we're gonna span the entire gamut of price ranges, styles, type of content, because we found a lot of good, a lot of good stuff that we wanted to talk about in the last couple of weeks. And frankly, Andrew, I'm here for it. I'm here for it. I was just going through, I was just going through our list, refreshing myself on the things. This is going to be a fun one.
Unknown I agree.
Everett Are you okay, Andrew, if we start with our favorite Japanese company, Seiko?
Andrew I think we probably should. They get the honors.
Everett And talk about a watch that came out. This is a line. This is a line of watches. that actually was unveiled, I think two or three years ago.
Unknown Yeah.
Everett But the the 60s Versage, I would call these dive style watches that Seiko introduced in their Versage line a few years back. So obviously Seiko is, you know, increasingly compartmentalizing its collections. You've got Prospects. Yeah. You've got Prisaj. And really... Sport. And yeah, well... And then we have a King Seiko Spin. That's right. Everything fits in a box in a way that it maybe didn't not all that long ago. Mm-hmm. So these Prisaj sports watches came out a few years ago. They're clearly dive-style watches. They're pretty sporty. But within that, they're not Prospects. Prospects. Prospects.
Unknown Prospects.
Everett These are fancy watches. They're fancy.
Andrew These kind of feel like the precursor to King Seiko releases.
Everett Well, and right, these are clearly based on a Seiko of yesterday, right? Mm-hmm. These are vintage inspired, specifically from the 1960s.
Andrew Straight out the catalog.
Everett They've got, you know, classic styling in terms of the markers, but these don't feel to me retro in the way that we sometimes, you know, like perhaps the Q Timex or even maybe to some degree the PRX. These don't feel like purposefully retro. These feel like modern watches. But based on 60s design cues, these sector dials, they feel very Laurier, right?
Andrew Very modern iterations of vintage watches, maybe a little bit more updated than, than Laurier, but they've done a good job reinterpreting, but still holding on to that design language.
Everett Yeah. Yeah. I think that's right. And the reason we're talking about these today, these, So the 60s Presage, what do they call these?
Andrew The SRPH93J1. The J makes it cooler. Everyone knows that about Seiko.
Everett Presage style 60s collection is what they call this line. And what Seiko's done here is they've introduced, I think, two new or three new watches to this line. So one of these is that sector style dive watch. I'm going to call it a dive style watch. Um, yeah, but they've introduced with this beautiful, beautiful white dial cream dial, perhaps ivory, maybe with a burgundy bezel. The bezels on these are the inserts at least are thin and, and precise, but also classy. Um, I really like all three of these new iterations.
Andrew They also appear aligned.
Everett They've got a stealth style, which is a black bezel on PVD case. And then the open heart, which I'm not going to go for an open heart. They've introduced in a blue on blue.
Andrew Yeah, big pass.
Everett I mean, I like it as much as I like any other open heart.
Andrew These are very nice. Which is not. Yeah, I don't, I don't like the open heart and I think, I don't know. It's weird to have a partially covered open heart with a sub dial. It's kind of cool to have a floating sub dial over it, but it's kind of weird to have a open heart that is then obstructed by a floating sub dial. I don't know. It's just, it's an odd, it's not for me. We can move right on.
Everett Yeah, no, I think I think open heart feels a little bit sort of wowie zowie in a department store type of way that that turns me off.
Andrew Yeah, but these are beautiful. The stealth, though. That is that's good. Yeah, this this 60s design on that stealth dial with not guilt, but like it's certainly not white. Yeah. Paint.
Everett It's like a little bit of a khaki.
Andrew Yeah, I was gonna even tend towards like brass or bronze like just a touch of warmth in there.
Everett I think that's the same color on the bezel on the bezels for all of these is that sort of bronze khaki type of color.
Andrew It does it for me better on the on the black than any of the other colorways though.
Everett So these are all super affordable, uh, 600 bucks ish 500 and 500 bucks between 500 and 600.
Andrew It's so nice that the euro is on par with the dollar now, we don't have to do math on the fly.
Everett Yeah, I, you know, I'm inclined to the maroon because, or the burgundy bezel because it comes on a bracelet, but these are all pretty neat. Leathernadoes, meh.
Andrew Meh. There's something there though. I like a leather pass through.
Everett But. I've had my moments with leather pass
Andrew I'd be all about a PVD bracelet. I'd pay an extra hundred bucks, I think. What do you want to talk about, Andrew? Oh, so I want to talk about, and this is actually, this is going to be part two to the Seiko release because there's something happening right now. And, and I think we see it, but we're going to use Seiko's release and a Spinnaker release. It's kind of the foundation of why we think this. So Spinnaker has a new Haas Diver. It's H-A-S-S, which you got to really emphasize the second S. Because if not, then it's just like Haas. Or a new Haas Diver, but that's not it. It's not a Haas Diver, it's a Haas Diver. And Spinnaker is an interesting brand.
Everett Yeah, we've had, we had, gosh, I'm blanking on his name. the brand founder from Spinnaker and... I had his name and then you said you forgot it.
Andrew Oh, I'm so sorry. Mr. Tulani. Right?
Unknown Nope.
Andrew That's a different guy. It doesn't matter. Well, it does matter, but everyone's going to look it up real quick. So Spinnaker's dropped a new Haas diver and they've come in a couple of colorways. They come in a black, they're calling it a kelp green, a blue and a yellow. And the green is the green that everyone knows. It's not quite jade, but it's definitely not not jade. And it's a 43 millimeter, 16 millimeter thick diver, 300 meters water resistant with an NH-16 movement and a Day-Date. This is not a particularly unique dive watch. It is tending large for what I want. but a 43 millimeter diver, 16 thick for 300 meters of water resistance. That's kind of like, that's the specs you'd expect about five years ago, which is sort of where Spinnaker falls in their production, right? They're a little bit behind the game because they're not as nimble a company as some of the small brands who've really been, uh, on the cutting edge of design. And you're right.
Everett You're a hundred percent right.
Andrew Thank you. It's uncommon for you to say that. But here's where they've hit the nail on the head. We're moving toward tool watches that don't look like tool watches. We're getting great spec'd, not exactly dressy, but the days of the monster, the days of big things, thick tool watches, hard angles.
Everett Over-engineered.
Andrew Yeah, those days are behind us, I think. And I think it's made evident by the fact that Spinnaker, who's behind the curve, generally speaking, on design, and Seiko, who's often pioneering it, are in the same place.
Unknown Yeah.
Andrew And I think I like that.
Everett Yeah, you know, I don't follow knives all that closely. But I think that there are a lot of parallels between watches and knives in terms of, uh, you know, their respective craft industries. Um, the, the, the populations that have, have been created, the communities that have been created in buying and supporting these small owners. I think there's, there's just a lot that you can, there's a lot of parallels you can draw And I think a similar thing is happening in knives, whereas five or six years ago, um, everything was over-engineered. I think that's a term that gets used in knives often. Um, and, and sort of more and RAR and, and all these, all these phrases that you might use to describe these things. I think you're seeing a similar thing happen in knives where, um, there's, a bit of a, it's not something that wasn't happening before, but you're seeing a bit of a call back to more classy, more elegant, uh, streamlined quote unquote gentlemen's knives. Um, but yeah, streamlined sleek. And, and I think that the same thing is happening in watches. We're seeing a bit of a, a bit of a, uh, maybe market correction or, or design correction to things that are, usable and things that are like actually reflect the type of activities that most people are going to spend most of the time doing or using these things for, right? Most people are going to use their watch to go to the office while wearing khakis and a polo, right? So let's make watches that are more suitable, more more purpose built for those types of activities. I think that there's some perhaps slippery slopes there, right? Cause you know, we're, we're now we're seeing a resurgence of pragmatism perhaps.
Andrew But, and I think the Peli 39 is an example of it. That's a far more appropriate desk diver. It's not quite spec'd like the full size, but it's really damn close. That is in the realm of, the modern man's appropriate one watch. It can do anything that he is going to do and do it well.
Everett So, so question for you though, Andrew, is the 39 millimeter Pelagos, uh, is that Dockers or, uh, rubber sold, uh, uh, floor chime? Like, You know, is this, is this problematic at all? I mean, or is that something that comes in the future? I mean, are we with, with sort of this new focus on pragmatic, I'm going to use that word, pragmatic watches, are we in danger of seeing, you know, nineties fossil, like, is that a thing?
Andrew Nineties fossil what?
Everett Well, I don't know. I'm just saying, is a 39 millimeter Pelagos a potential bad omen for watches or, you know, for our 60s style, not really a diver diver. Is that a thing that could potentially signal the beginning of the end of serious watches again?
Andrew Uh, maybe, but I think when you look at what the Pelagos is doing in 39 millimeters, it's still sleek. It's still titanium. It's not spec'd the same as the full size, but it's still coming in as a baller tool watch. I mean, obviously I love that, but it's going to outperform a human, right? The full size is going to outperform a human. Maybe it's just a tailoring to like, We actually don't need a thousand meters of water resistance and a 46 millimeter case with 16 inches of thickness. We definitely don't need 16 inches, but 16 millimeters of thickness, maybe it's tooling it back to say, look, we've done the, the supercar. We also recognize that the supercar is not exactly realistic. Let's dial it back and still engineer things that are going to be able to outperform you. It doesn't matter what you're doing.
Everett At the risk of, at the risk of being hypocritical here, it isn't part of what made, made the Pelago so great is that it was bombastic and, and extra and all, all of these other things.
Andrew But even when it's bombastic and extra, it's still wore like a dream. The design on it didn't make it feel like a huge chunk of metal, you know, between the titanium, the K shape, it didn't wear. Like a, like a pro pluff.
Everett Sure. Sure.
Unknown Well, fine.
Andrew I think there's something here. I am excited for it. I'm excited for tool watches to get more into the realm of reasonable and attractive and wearable.
Unknown Fine.
Andrew Andrew. Like Doxa, like that's an unchanged brand. people are coming back towards that kind of well-specced, minimalist, not exactly dress watch, but not exactly tool watch look.
Everett Yeah. You know, DOX is a watch that I oftentimes think about buying and I think you're the same. And I think a lot of people when they look at DOX is like, do I want the 300 or do I want the 300T? I personally am team 300T all the way. And I think this is kind of a similar conversation. You know, the 39 millimeter Pelagos and the OG Pelagos, obviously a little bit different in terms of how they relate to one another. But something about the 300T feels more authentic to me than the 300. Yeah.
Andrew And it's going to outperform me. I will be dead at the bottom of the ocean and my watch will run for 40 more hours because of all the thrashing.
Everett Andrew, did you see that Timex introduced a couple of new Pan Am pilots watches?
Andrew I sure did, and I'm excited about it.
Everett You know what? I asked you if you've seen it because I'm introducing the topic, but in fairness, you actually sent this to me.
Andrew I did see it, and I'm for it. Timex is doing a thing right now, man. And they slowed down a little bit this year, a little bit more than I would expect, because Timex has done a lot this year.
Everett It felt like they might lean like, like be ready to really lean in and go hard.
Andrew Yeah. I thought they were going to go way harder than the paint this year and they haven't, which is maybe a good thing, right? They're there. They need to, to really ride their momentum, but they're doing some cool shit.
Everett Yeah. Yeah. No, I think that's right. So, so spoiler alert. Well, it's already been spoiled. Timex introduced two new very Gosh, dare I say, kind of boring, but in a delightful way.
Andrew In an IWC way. And I'm going to use that really intentionally because these are super classic watches.
Everett These look like IWC marks. Yeah. So blue dials, sunburst, and each of them bearing at the six o'clock a Pan Am globe logo. One of these is a three-hander, Day-Date three-hander with a Pan Am logo where the letters extend outside the globe. The other is, the other is a, what is it? It's not a chronograph, is it? Yeah, the other is a chronograph with a fully encased Pan Am logo inside that lower register.
Andrew That lower register has got to be seconds. Yeah. Yeah. Hard to read though for because I don't think that the Pan Am globe circles really correspond to points on this clock. It's a little bit, a little bit silly, but.
Everett So I've got a question about these. Cause these are delightful and they actually look really well made. The case backs on these are fucking ridiculous in a good way. It looks like the finishing is all really good. The looks are kind of funny, but other than that, I think hit, hit, hit all the way, great onion crowns.
Andrew Yeah, the looks are a little bit funny.
Everett Here's the question I have. How did Timex secure Pan Am IP for these? Because as far as I know, Pan Am has been out of business for, I don't know, 50 years.
Andrew Who knows? I mean, Timex has Snoopy.
Everett Timex has... Oh, but Snoopy is a brand that exists. Pan Am went out of business in the, I don't know, the 70s maybe?
Andrew They probably paid 20 bucks for it. Yeah, maybe. I mean, the... Timex does super cool collaborative.
Everett But normally with a collaboration, you're getting money. Like Timex here is invoking, as far as I know, an extinct brand. Yeah, I think there's some interesting questions about the use of IP.
Andrew And coming 2024 will be Timex Pan Am Airlines. Well, maybe, yeah. With directs to Las Vegas only.
Everett Yeah, perhaps. I have questions about the IP use. Maybe we'll have to get Tony from, not from Rescapement, Tony from Houdini to talk about this.
Andrew We'll get back there. This is a really cool revitalization, and I think it's so neat that Timex, of all the brands on the planet Earth who are associated with air travel, where the Timex is not, of all the brands who hang their hat on aviation inspiration that Timex is the one who does a Pan Am pilots watch. This is cool. And, and I'm, I don't know, I, I wonder when Timex is going to start moving up market. Cause this is, this is going to be wear and feel like a $200 watch. Cause it is $179 for the three hander, 219 for the chronograph.
Everett Well, I mean, arguably they have moved up market. I mean, they're in $200 range.
Andrew Yeah.
Everett Yeah. I mean the flag Timex flagship, what? 50 bucks for a Waterbury? 10 years ago. Well, yeah. I mean, 10 years ago, Timex flagship was like a brass, a plated brass expedition. And then, you know, with Waterbury, they really started to tap into the collector. I think Timex is right where it needs to be and right where it probably should be. I do think you're right. I think at some point Timex is going to start introducing some some watches that people are going to, you know, some people perhaps are going to scratch their heads at, but other people are going to be like, here we go.
Andrew This has been coming. I mean, they're doing it. They're about to fill the void that Seiko created.
Everett You know, some of their more expensive releases in the last handful of years, like some of those heritage releases, I think we're kind of misses. And so If they're gonna have to, they're gonna have to figure out how to go. It's a treacherous road because Timex has such a legacy of being affordable, like imminently affordable. 200 bucks still today in 2022, 200 bucks is a lot of money.
Andrew It's not to sneeze at.
Everett Yeah, so.
Andrew But 179 bucks to have that three-hander. I would really dig that three-hander if it weren't a Day-Date. And it had that 430 date window that the chronograph has. They disguise that 430 date window really well.
Everett I'm down for the Day-Date, but yeah, I understand it's not super popular.
Andrew I just don't need any more Day-Dates.
Everett I like Day-Date. My pilot watch is a Day-Date and you get the full day.
Andrew Yeah, Wednesday.
Everett Wednesday, it says.
Andrew You get all of it. What do you got, Andrew? Is today the 14th?
Everett Today is the 14th, Wednesday the 14th, Wednesday the 14th.
Andrew Wednesday the 14th is what's on this Timex in this article. There we go. How about that? Did this come out today? How about that? No, it didn't. They were just ready for it. They were just prepared for us. Thank you, Worn and Wound, for publishing that article with us in mind. Well, since we kind of teased it,
Everett Rescapement's gone. Yeah, we talked about this, right? We talked about this a couple weeks ago.
Andrew A little bit, but the September 5th, Tony Trena's post is up. Rip Rescapement. Turns out he hated the name, but he's over at Hodinkee.
Everett And congratulations, Tony, by the way, dream job for all of us lawyers who are moonlighting as watch content creators. Cause I think that maybe it was just me and Tony actually.
Andrew It could just be you guys.
Everett I hope it's just you guys. All the entire community of lawyers who moonlight as watch content creators is extremely jealous. And I feel confident that I can speak on behalf of that entire community. Yeah. We are all extremely jealous. Congratulations. Um, I think it's a cool move. I think it's a cool move for Hodinkee. I think Tony is the type of content creator. I know that phrase is kind of... You hate it, even as you say it. Yeah. But I mean, ultimately, that's maybe a very, if not vague, inaccurate way to describe the things we do. I think he's the kind of guy that a brand like that should have. He's this guy who has talked about
Andrew Everything.
Everett Everything. Style, vintage watches, modern watches. And he's proven his mettle. Grassroots, guerrilla style. I think, seriously, that's who we want more of at Hodinkee. We want less of Whatever. It sounds like Hodinkee's made some changes. I approve of at least two of the changes I've heard of in the last two months. One of those being the addition of Tony Trena. Good job, Hodinkee. Congratulations, Tony.
Andrew Good grab. We've liked Tony for a long time.
Everett Had him on the show? Had him on the show. Great guest.
Andrew Super smart dude. I think he's our first other outlet call out.
Everett Perhaps, yeah. He had us on his website pretty early on, the podcast you should listen to, in which he said, they're new to the game, the new players.
Andrew They are as funny as they think they are.
Everett They maybe need to stay where they're at because they talked about Omega recently and it wasn't very good. He did say that. He said kind things, but yeah, I remember thinking like, oh, okay, we've got to, we don't know as much as we thought.
Andrew We, and no one does for being fair. Yeah. But I think that's a cool move for him. I'm bummed to see the rescapement chapter close, but I, I think I can't imagine him coming on with Hodinkee without being able to retain that ideology.
Everett Yeah. Yeah. I think that's right.
Andrew So I don't think there will be any kind of journalistic, or investigative compromise with him going to Hodinkee?
Everett I hope. Oh, well, I mean, frankly, I've said this privately to people. I've said this publicly. I actually think Hodinkee is, without a doubt, the best publication, the best watch publication there is. It just is. They've got resources. They've got brains. They've got access. And in having those things are able to bring really oftentimes clever, oftentimes charming content. So say what you will about the way they sell watches, the way they use their media to sell watches for themselves. Without defending them, I'll say it's tough. Media is tough today. But notwithstanding that, they still create the best watch content on the face of the earth.
Andrew They just don't agree. What I'm saying is that Tony Traynor is not going to be compromised. He's going to remain Tony Traynor of escapement. Now of Hodinke. I think you're right. And I think it's a good, exciting move.
Everett What I meant to say is I agree with you, Andrew.
Andrew That's what the fuck I thought.
Everett Can I talk about a couple of Hamilton's? Oh, you need to. So I don't I don't know how long ago. Again, I'll just vaguely say, I think two or three years ago, Hamilton reintroduced the, well, they introduced the pioneer, the khaki pioneer W10 watch.
Andrew This isn't the watch I thought you were gonna talk about.
Everett Which was a, at the time that it came out, I remember thinking that is a very charming and small watch that is maybe too, true to its source material. And the reason I thought that is because this is a 36-millimeter tonneau-cased W10 watch, right? So much like the Dirty Dozen watches that preceded it, this was a pretty faithful W10, including the size of the W10, which was 36. I remember thinking at the time, 36 is tough. And of course, now here we are, whatever, at four... two to four years later. And 36 is very much in the conversation, very much in the conversation.
Andrew It was maybe ahead of its game during its release a couple of years ago. I think they were, I think they could see the trend and they were just maybe a little bit too quick to it.
Everett That's right. That's right. Now being a W10, being a military inspired watch, this is a watch that was made back in the 60s, 70s with a black dial that, you know, I think that these were made by Hamilton for just a few years for the British, for the Royal Royal Air Force, I think. And so this is a black dialed watch. This watch is nothing besides a black dial. This is a black dialed watch, period. And so Hamilton released it in a black dial, and that's appropriate and right. They've just now introduced a white and a blue dial watch, and my first thought is, oh, no, you didn't. And then, okay, these look really great.
Andrew all for that blue dial. I might be into a blue dial phase because I am about it. And this is the watch you know and love. Diminutive though, right? This, this is the, this watch you are accustomed to seeing at 38 to 40 millimeters in, you know, a dozen other brands. Yeah, sure. Yeah. I think CWC is even as it, 41 ish. I could be wrong, but.
Unknown And this is good.
Everett And of course, I think that they did nothing to this. I mean, nothing is different besides the dial colors.
Andrew And they changed the strap. Sure. Dial and strap colors to match. Not a white strap because that'd be gross. It's like RAF gray.
Unknown Yeah.
Andrew Yeah. But and then a really lovely navy to accompany the blue. This is money. I have come very close to this watch because I want a Tano case. I want this watch. I just don't want the price tag on it because they're not expensive. Yeah, they're like $900. Where is it?
Everett I think that Pioneer was like $850 when it came out.
Andrew $845.
Everett Yeah, okay, there you go.
Andrew I'd like a bracelet option.
Everett Well, but they're fixed lugs.
Andrew I know, I know. I'm going to bitch one way or another. You will find I will find a reason to complain. Eight hundred forty five bucks on a strap, though, is a little bit hard for me to swallow. And I know all the reasons it's eight hundred forty five dollars. I know Hamilton's finishing. I know this is an eight hundred forty five dollar watch. Less than this, you're stealing it. And in a thousand dollars that you're overpaying.
Unknown Yeah.
Andrew That's an $845 watch.
Everett And these are 2801-2, the H50 or whatever. So 80 hour power reserve. This is a wear it every day, take it off on the weekend, put it back on Monday or whatever watch. Although you should just wear this over the weekend too.
Andrew Yeah. This is a, this is, what's the water resistance on these? These are 50?
Everett Well, I think they're a hundred actually, you know, not, it's a, it's a pilot watch, so not, not meant to be dunked, but, but Hamilton does a good job with these in speccing these like a modern watch, I think.
Andrew Yeah. Just also, I think one of the parts that I like about it the most is it's just a lightly textured dial that gives a little bit of depth, a little bit of color balance without being like sandpaper. And I'm not a big fan of the sandpaper dial. This does it in a subtle way.
Everett Yeah, it's refined in a way, you know, I agree with you, Andrew. I don't like the big, chunky, granular dials that were popular a couple of years ago.
Andrew I don't need it to look like my truck bedliner.
Everett I don't want it to, in fact. Bedliner dials, that's a good term for that. I'm here for it. When I first heard about these, I was like, hmm, it doesn't make any damn sense. But it does. It turns out the entire hobby makes no sense. And within that, these make just, they make sense just fine.
Andrew Can we talk about another Hamilton release? Sure. What do you got? So Hamilton has their PSR, right? Their space watch, their first LED watch, which has a better battery life than the original, uh, in red, right?
Everett Because it wasn't the, wasn't the, it was short. It was like eight days or something stupid.
Andrew Like, yeah, it was like, it also came with a sleeve of batteries. Uh, so it's been in red.
Everett Because the original Pulsar was was red.
Andrew Yeah. Now available in green. And we don't have to spend a lot of time talking about this, but I think I think it's a cool release. I think having the green and red. So with originally starting with red, moving to green, keeping exactly the same specs, exactly the same design, but just moving to a different color LED, I think is fun. And I actually like the green a lot.
Unknown Yeah.
Andrew It's like super. 80s, 90s, I got like a DOS screen. The red always looked like an instrument. The green background looks like, I don't know, I feel like it should have been green all along, as much as I liked the red. $745? Yeah. I mean, what do you think of that?
Everett Because to me, I think that's a lot of money. You've got a number of watches that sort of do this same thing. So Armatron has their Griffey. I think the Armatron Griffey is like 45 bucks. You've got the Bulova Computron, which is 400 bucks. You've got the Yema, whatever their LED watch is, which is, I don't know, under 300 bucks, I think. So you've got a number of watches that are doing very similar things with the Griffey being you know, a bit of an outlier in terms of its affordability.
Unknown This is a different thing.
Andrew In this, you were, this isn't like a watch purchase in the way of, I like this. This is a good watch. Cause if, if you just want an led screen digital watch, right. The, I would, I would argue that the Bulova is really your best bet. that's the one you get. But the heritage associated with this, this link to the history of this watch and the history of digital watches, the history of led, not just watches, but led. I can get down with the $745 price tag, red or green. I like green better, but I can get down with this.
Everett Well, I'll, I'll say I have with, with no reservations of those four that I've just mentioned, this is, by a very wide margin, my favorite aesthetically. Just top down, this is the one I like the best.
Andrew I like the Bulova the best. I love that angle.
Everett I think the Bulova's a little much for me, personally. And I also really appreciate the heritage. I assume, without knowing, having not handled even a single one of these watches that I've just mentioned, that the build quality on the Hamilton is superior. It must be.
Andrew I would think that the Hamilton is a slight step down and everything else is a whole floor below. You'd say the Hamilton's a slight step down from- Or I mean the Bulova is a step down from the Hamilton and everything else is a full floor below or more. That would be my guess as well. Right, because we're coming out of Hamilton. Hamilton's finishing as top notch in every regard. They're not going to kick a piece of shit out the door because they just don't. That's just not how they do business.
Everett Well, and Hamilton makes a lot of watches for 100, you know, 200 to 500. So the fact that this is so much more, I think they probably pumped some some quality into it.
Andrew I'm sure that bracelet was dope. That bracelet looks so good.
Unknown Yeah.
Andrew I'm going to sneeze.
Everett Well, in any event, Hamilton PSR now in green.
Andrew Now in green.
Everett So two Hamilton's. neither one of them, uh, two Hamilton iterations, iterative Hamilton releases.
Unknown Andrew, what do you got next? Oh, I've got one.
Everett Can I talk about one?
Andrew Yeah. We have a lot to talk about that we haven't talked about.
Everett So, uh, Manta. Oh yeah. Manta. I'm going to, I'm going to say Well, I guess now for the second time. So a few years ago, Manta released the Noble. And the Noble was Manta's first foray into a pretty drastically different design concept than they'd done before. Manta's one of these companies, similar to Laurier in some ways, there's a number of companies that are sort of doing different watches that all feel very, perhaps very, It's that's the same word, but more, more emphatic, that's smart. They're very similar to one another. Manta had at that point released four different watches that were all, you know, you have to kind of like, what's different? Oh, I see that's got a bezel or oh, it's a GMTN. So Manta released the Noble, which was like, oh, okay, this is different. I can see what's different. With that said, Case was very similar still. I mean, it was like, okay, this is still You're doing the same. This is more of the same. I'm good with it. More of the same. Manta just released their new SkyQuest GMT. And although this is very obviously still a Manta, I think more so than they've ever done before, they've really modified the design language of what's come before. They've done so in a compelling way. I think this new SkyQuest, kind of shorter lugs.
Andrew Yeah, they've changed the case, which is horrifying because now all the bracelets aren't one size fits all, maybe.
Everett I think it's the same bracelet. I'm almost certain this is the same bracelet. I would say this is a little bit sportier.
Unknown It's much sportier.
Everett This is a more sporty, and by sporty, I think it's fair to say, This watch feels very Rolex Maxi.
Unknown Okay.
Everett Do you think that's... Can I accept? Okay. More of a big, proud bezel. It's... Yeah. Slightly more pronounced and inset markers. This watch feels very kind of like... I don't want to say inelegant because looking at this, this all still feels very elegant, but, but more like kapow.
Andrew It's, it's just the opposite of what we talked about. It's a more tool watch.
Unknown Yeah.
Andrew It's more rugged than its predecessor because the, the, the previous SkyQuest was really an Atlas with a bezel. It was a dressy sport watch with a bezel with a GMT hand. Right. And now we have a GMT master.
Everett Yeah. It's unfair. It's unfair to Manta, but this does feel like they've moved in that direction.
Andrew They've moved into the slightly rugged, but still refined, right? We're not talking, James Bond refined. We're talking like any other spy. Just just a rugged dude. Clive Cussler.
Everett Yeah. Dirk.
Andrew Jack Ryan. Yeah. Because Clive Cussler is the author.
Everett He's an author. Yeah. Dirk. Dirk Pitt.
Andrew Is it? I don't know. Like this is this is very much a watch that you can see somebody putting on who's like, I do these kinds of things for real. Yeah. Yeah.
Everett Like this is, this is very watches of espionage, but still 11.8 millimeters thick, which is refined. I mean, there's not another watch in this class that comes in under 12 millimeters. I don't think, I mean for 2100 bucks, I think that you can get these on pre-order. There's not another watch in this class that comes in under 12 millimeters.
Andrew GMT. 2190 for pre-order. It'll be 2435 for full retail.
Everett Which is in line with?
Andrew Everyone else at this finishing and point.
Everett You know, Justin came on the show a few years ago and we talked about this a little like, you know, prices have gone up. And at the time I think that they were at like 17 and change and maybe 2000, like right at 2000. And he's, you know, We've got to get our margins up. We've slow rolled the margins, but we've got to get them up in order to be a successful company long term. So we all knew this was coming, but yeah, I think 2,400 bucks is an incredibly fair price for what you get here. You're getting a Salida GMT. You're getting, I mean really best in class finishing.
Andrew Yeah. These, the comparing this finishing and whenever I go to any kind of watch meetup, I always bring the Atlas. just to compare its finishing against anything else that's there. And they are never best in show, but they're never last. And which, I mean, Mond has doing a cool thing at this price point.
Everett Yeah. You know, uh, my try of much, much like your Atlas is, is the watch that I kind of compare others to. That's the thinness of that case at, you know, right at 11 millimeters. I think just under that actually.
Andrew Um, I could be wrong.
Everett Yeah. I think that might be right. Um, you know, that's, that's sort of become the watch I met, you know, I, I measure that other watches that I might purchase against that. I'm like, Oh, well, 12, five, not going to happen. 12, two. Hmm. Yeah. I'm not into it. You know, it's like being aware of, of that triumph at this point has jaded me a little bit because I really enjoy how thin and elegant that watch is. And I, when I look at other watches in that vein, in that sort of dress sport, I want them to be thin. I want them to be thin and you just can't find it.
Andrew I mean, they, you know, you can't find it with money that you're willing to spend.
Everett That's right. Yeah. You, you gotta get up to, you know, looking at almost five figures to get that kind of a package.
Andrew So and the comparable finishing because that's the other thing is we're not just talking about and we're Monta fanboys. You all know this about us because they're they're worth it.
Everett Yeah, you know, I think your your next stop perhaps tutor, you know, the the the BB line you're getting you're getting there. You're getting there and finishing but in in dimensions, you're still getting chunkers Aqua Terra, you know, you're you're you're there. But
Andrew Yeah. I mean, you're getting into the big three, big four.
Everett That's right. Yeah. That's right. And then beyond that, I mean, wait, you're talking like, you know, maybe show part, you know, you know, you, you, you've got to go big, you know, Cartier, uh, you've got to really go big to get into that type of, of watch.
Andrew So yeah, the, the, they're bringing the full package at, at just, uh, just a crazy price point. And we both put our money where our mouth is on this.
Unknown Yeah.
Andrew This is they should pay us for how much we fanboy over them. But they don't.
Everett But they don't. Unfortunately. What do you got, Andrew? Hmm.
Andrew I have an idea, thought article, so. Time and tide. Oh, time and tide. Did an anti flipper launch of the Bamford G Shock 6900 B.W.D.
Unknown Hmm. And I honestly.
Everett Whatever time and tide.
Andrew I really appreciate the thought. Right. Because. We have. Lamented. The flipper.
Unknown Sure.
Andrew Thing. Sure. Here on the show. Numerous times. You know, I bought a Q Timex. Because of the flippers. Right, I saw it available on the Timex website. They hadn't been available for months. I just bought one because I didn't know if it would ever be available again. Their idea here was to only allow at this time and tide event. They did the release of the watch at the event and capped the purchase quantity and one. So not only did you have to be at the event, but you could only buy one. And those were their restraints for the flippers. But the problem remains that there's still only the watches that were available there.
Everett Yeah. I mean, look, maybe it might be clever. It feels to me like One of it feels to me like one of those, uh, you know, Oh, seven, you know, Brigadier General bullet points. Right. It's like, Oh, this is a thing we did that we can say we did. But, but also it's actually just a piece of chewing gum in the sixth inch hole in the Hoover dam. That's not likely to stop.
Andrew And, you know, I, I really like, it's a great scene by the way, Vegas vacation. I really like this watch. It's a cool 1600. I like the two-tone strap. I like the colorway. I like it a lot, but when I was, when I saw that and I, and I started thinking about the, the flipper world and watches as commodities and people queuing to get the, the moon swatches and the, like, I think about Q Timex is coming in at 500 bucks and the exploitive predatory. You know, I, I, I don't actually have this watch in hand yet, but I did buy it cause I used a bot on time factors to get this watch for 400 bucks. And now it's, I thought you just broke glasses. Now it's 900 bucks on eBay, but I don't have it in hand and it bugs me that we enable this kind of like predatory flipper market by buying these watches at these price point rather than their like, I want the company to make money. I would, I would rather Smith's cost twice as much than Smith's make their money. And then some dude who creates a bot to buy Smith's watch also make his money. There doesn't need to be like three or four people making money.
Unknown Yeah. No, I buy a watch.
Everett We've talked about this, right? Like, uh, the, the standard capitalist model dictates that prices should be determined by way of the meeting of the supply and demand curves, right?
Andrew Yeah. Not the asshole who can, who can procure the supply.
Everett That's right. And so when we look at... I mean, obviously, certain watches, I think the swatch... What do we call these? Moon swatches. The moon swatches. That's an anomaly, right? In many, many ways.
Andrew That was a swatch failure on so many levels.
Everett I'm not sure I agree with that, but it doesn't matter because it's kind of an anomalous. It was a phenomenon, right? Yeah, it was. And perhaps still is. And so that it was one of those, you know, unicorn items. And, and I don't know that Swatch could have ever understood the amount of demand or, or even to the extent they could have, could they have ever created the, they never could have met the supply. They never could have met it. So, so that's different. But, but then you look at a company like Rolex, well, well certainly that that's, that's been a constant thing for at least 10 years. Right. And so there's a problem with it. the typical capitalist economic model would say there's a problem with pricing, right? They've created this cottage industry of gray market dealers who are getting rich with no need to be ethical because they're... And so there's value in the company pricing.
Andrew You say Smiths, Rolex... Smiths is where my mind always goes because all I want to do is buy an Everest from the website, the day it releases, it's impossible. And then on eBay, they're all $1,000.
Everett And of course, Smith's doesn't want to be that company that says, well, these watches are worth more, not because they're worth more, but because the demand is high. And you know, nobody wants that. And I get that piece of it, but that it does create a certain amount of balance in the system, right? And ultimately those prices would be lower. So I think you're onto something. I do think, that in a situation, perhaps, let's not pick on Rolex because poor Rolex, but you know, perhaps.
Andrew This is a non-profit, you can pick on them.
Everett Perhaps with Smiths, you know, bump your prices. Like say, you know, until we got our demand and control, these are more expensive. I'm sorry, if you want one, this is what you pay.
Unknown Yeah.
Everett That's it. Like until we were able to control supply, you're going to pay more. Hallios, maybe the same thing, right?
Andrew Hallios is another perfect example. But they also have an issue with supply, like not just actually like how much they make, but when they make it.
Everett There's one more watch, Andrew. There's one more watch that I really like to talk about. Are you okay if I talk about at least just one more watch? So I actually recently, I've been saving up for a watch. I've been saving up for a watch, but in... You don't know which watch though. No, I do know which watch. It's just going to take me a long time.
Andrew Especially when you buy, you know.
Everett When I impulse buy King Seiko's, that's right. So I've been saving up for a watch, but now I've got like some money. I've got like.
Andrew Uh oh.
Everett I've got a little bit of money hanging out. It's itchy. And I get this, my finger is just doing the thing like, you know, like. So I found myself looking at Bell and Ross. Bell and Ross's, the BR03, I think, 92 or whatever, the big square Bell and Ross's. I ultimately decided I actually don't want this watch, but then you sent me... I knew this would get your dick hard. That's why I sent you this. You sent me this time zone forum post of a BR03 94 multimeter.
Andrew It's multimeter, actually, is the word.
Unknown This watch is fucking nuts.
Andrew This is as smart watch as you can get without getting smart watch.
Everett That's right. It's not smart. It's dumb. But chronograph watch with a pulsometer, asthometer, tachymeter, a second tachymeter, and a third tachymeter, all on a dial, all in this lovely shades of Like lime green, kind of a coral.
Andrew God, it's fucking gorgeous.
Everett PBD Black case.
Andrew I don't do any of those things and I want this watch.
Everett This watch is nuts. So this, I think the reference on this is BR0394 multimeter. It's a 42 millimeter ceramic, it's not PBD, ceramic case.
Unknown And I... Shit, man. Oh, it's so good.
Everett So these are, there'll be a link to this because you may, you may have trouble finding this based on our terrible description. Um, it, you know, the BRO three case, uh, I think they only made 500 of these. That's a limited edition of 500. And so they're probably not going to be super easy to find. Um, but holy shit. I actually have a reference here, Andrew, if you give me a second, BRO three nine four dash CBL. Dash zero three zero one three is the reference of this. And I'm kind of smitten it, my friend.
Andrew I immediately thought of you when I saw all of the options, because this is a slide rule that you don't have to learn to use. This is the tool list of tool watches, and it doesn't look like it. It looks just kind of like a rainbow colored chronograph for just the sake of, right? But then you kind of look at the concentric circles of tachometers and they make sense. The sub dials are really beautifully integrated into these tachometers. You lose something. right? In your big measurements, right? This isn't a great stopwatch.
Unknown Yeah.
Andrew Because you're losing about 50% of each sub dial.
Unknown Sure.
Andrew What you gain though is four really reasonable, really usable tachymeters.
Everett Yeah. Yeah, that's right. And you know, this is a watch that would make Max Bell or perhaps even Dieter Rams cringe, I think, because maybe not Dieter Rams. He might be into this like this. This it's not. There is nothing. Not a single millimeter of this watch that suggests even even whispers elegance, right? This is almost the opposite of elegant.
Andrew However, this is an Apple watch without any of the power.
Everett by way of it just being ridiculous and over the top and, and also kind of sexy. It's man, it's I'm there for it.
Andrew Well, it's the BRO three, right? Which is a, I think it's a guilty pleasure watch for everyone.
Unknown Yeah.
Andrew I don't think anyone's ever looked at the O three. I've been like, no, I don't like you. Everyone's like, well,
Everett It's like 41, 42 millimeters, right? With like a 24 millimeter. I mean, you put this watch on and people would be like, well, what's that?
Andrew It's stupid. Yeah. But everyone's also really, I think you ought to be at least if you're not, you should maybe just take some, take a gander. Yeah. Second look, maybe.
Everett It's a GFY watch for sure. Yeah. I don't know how much these cost. They probably cost about Eight bazillion dollars.
Andrew Yeah, there's only 500 of them. They're probably five figures.
Everett Eight bazillion dollars is how much these are. Exactly.
Andrew I knew you'd like this.
Everett I liked it. You did me good. You did me proud, Andrew. Andrew. It's fucking sexy. We haven't done it. We haven't done it. Is there anything that you're dying to talk about?
Andrew Ooh, one thing, and it's going to be quick. So as everyone knows, Tom Brady and Giselle, they're in a bit of a tiff.
Everett Is that true? I didn't know that.
Andrew Yeah, Giselle left. I hadn't heard that. Tom missed 11 days of practice, which turns out to actually only four practices. I have a theory. So Giselle recently released a IWC Portofino piece because she's an IWC ambassador.
Everett That tracks.
Andrew Tom might also be affiliated with IBC, but the TB12 is available through Tag Heuer. So my theory is that they're actually not in a tiff over him not retiring at 43. They're in a tiff over their brand ambassadorship and him still not being, still being affiliated with, uh, Tag Heuer and her being affiliated with IWC.
Everett This is a very compelling theory.
Andrew I'm very. It's there. There's something there because she she left, you know, just a short time ago, but I'm pretty sure it's watch related. Other than that, I'll link to, you know, her recent release with IWC. But that's it. That's all the things we covered all. Well, not all. I think just in the last couple of seconds, I've removed about half of what we intended to talk about.
Everett I'm just closing tabs, closing tabs. Well, in in that event, in that event, Andrew. Other things, what do you got?
Andrew I have another thing. I'm prepared. I watched Thor Love and Thunder. I watched Thor Love and Thunder. And I watched it. To screen it for Mark, my seven year old, because that's A thing that I have to do is to like, he gets scared by things and I'm like, I'll just watch it. And it's not that I didn't want to watch Thor love and thunder, but it is that I wanted to make sure that it was going to be at least like not horrifying for him and like be problematic for me. I don't know. I'm going to have to watch it again. On first viewing, even while I'm watching it with Sam, she's like, are we watching a Mel Brooks movie?
Unknown Yes. I mean, maybe.
Andrew And I was like, you're not wrong. Nothing about this movie made sense to me.
Unknown It doesn't make sense. It was in, in, in, I would say a good way, but.
Andrew It was wholly unlike any other movie in the Marvel cinematic universe. We have breaks in the fourth wall. We have weird, weird things. We have pure satire, like intentional breaks in the fourth wall via satire. Things that like don't really make sense to the movie for the intention of satire and like nigh on slapstick comedy.
Everett Very slapstick comedy.
Andrew Yeah. And as I'm watching it, I was like, I was confused, right? Cause the MCU has up to this point taken itself maybe too seriously. At times. And maybe that was kind of the goal was to lighten the load. I'm not saying I didn't enjoy the movie because I enjoyed the movie and it was fun, but I was also, Very confused by the movie. Yeah. It sits at 64% on Rotten Tomatoes, which is low, which is low 77 on the audience score, which relative to MCUs is low. And I think it's because it had like a bit of an identity crisis. Everything was intentional, right? There's no part of that movie that's like, Oh, we did that. Awesome. I think it was just, I enjoyed it and I think you should watch it. I think it was the first Marvel like true miss. It was just weird. I'll tell you. They couldn't figure out what they wanted to do and they did it because they tried to beat all things to all people.
Everett They just missed. So Taika Waititi, AKA Taika David Cohen, New Zealander, And in my opinion, notwithstanding that fact that he's a Kiwi, notwithstanding that fact, I'm going to call him an American treasure. Taika Waititi is brilliant. Maker of Jojo Rabbit, but also notably maker of Thor Ragnarok. Thor Ragnarok, which was amazing, was a fantastic film. And And I think that you see some of the same traits as Thor Love and Thunder in Thor Ragnarok. However, Thor Ragnarok was a more restrained version of that. Now, I think it's fair to say, we just talked about him, that the Marvel Cinematic Universe is, I would say, it's sort of Sunsetting, right? The MCU proper has sort of played out. Yeah.
Andrew Now we're in the spinoffs. We're moving to phase five, which is like, we've established this foundation. We need to spin off like, like moon night. Right. Yeah. And the, what's the, not the invincibles, the.
Everett The Incredibles. That's a different thing. Immortals. Here, I'm going to take a different tact, Andrew, because I think Thor Love and Thunder is almost, almost a perfect movie. I think it does everything it set out to do. I think it's delightful. I think that the storyline flows. I think that it carries on with things that we've already learned in a way that feels familiar and comfortable. It doesn't take itself too seriously. It's ridiculous in a way that I really appreciate. I loved it. I absolutely loved it. I loved the characters. I loved the comedy. I loved the tone of the movie from start to finish. I just thought it was really good. And, and I would say even more than that, the story is surprisingly complex and the outcome is, I mean, the actual outcome. is acceptable, but it's, they do a good job getting to where they get.
Andrew They do. And that was why it was so confusing because it was this, it was a great story. Start to finish. They didn't keep you on your toes, right? We're not talking to M. Night Shyamalan, like what the fuck? No, no. We're talking a totally acceptable story arc that you can anticipate without feeling like you've spoiled it for yourself. There were just so many things that didn't make sense to me.
Unknown Sure.
Andrew If I don't have a word that I'm trying to describe, it was confusing. I'm going to watch it again. I'd liked it. I'm saying you should watch it, but I'm also saying, Prepare yourself.
Everett But also, what the fuck?
Andrew Yeah, prepare yourself for like, what, what, what?
Everett Andrew, I've got another thing. Do me. I, so I had, I had a bit of a crisis. So last October I bought a new computer, um, a new work computer because I needed to work computer. And in doing so I traded in my old computer, got a new computer. This is how you do it. This is, this is the way.
Andrew It is the way everyone knows that it is known.
Everett So I have this, like, basically brand new computer. I've got this M1 MacBook Pro, yada, yada, yada. It's fine. It's great. Everything's good. Until one day I unplug the USB-C Thunderbolt cable, whatever, and I pinch the cable in between the monitor and the computer. And I hear a crunch. I open everything back up. Everything looks fine. I close it. Go home peacefully, blissfully, nothing the matter, get to work the next day, open my computer up, and I've got a LCD break. And you know, it's one of those, you've got vertical lines or horizontal lines, it's fucked. It looked bad. It's bad. It's broken. So I normally use my computer in a dock, so it wasn't a total crisis, but it was also like, all right, I gotta get this fixed. There's no, you know, simply math, was our authorized Mac store here in Eugene, and they filed, I think, Chapter 7 a few months ago. And so there's no Simply Mac anymore. Best Buy is a Mac repair center, but because Simply Mac has gone out of business, Best Buy is overwhelmed, especially in this area. So it's like two weeks out.
Andrew Because we're a college town and we have... Right. Yeah.
Everett So you're like two weeks out for a service on a Mac. I can mail this thing, but this is, I mean, this computer is my entire professional life. So I do have a server access and we've got online. Most of our file and stuff is online so I can do most of what I need with whatever. But I still have a lot of stuff on this computer that I use regularly, least of which is is this show, you know, everything. So I got to figure this out. So I go out and buy a new computer. I'm looking for a 13 inch MacBook Air. I can't find one spec the way I need it. So I wind up with a MacBook Pro, a new MacBook Pro. Ooh, new inbox. Yeah. Well, yeah. So I get a brand new MacBook Pro so that I can send my old computer to get repaired. So now I'll have a backup computer. We'll have like, oh, it'll be the house computer, whatever, whatever. Anyway, that's a different story.
Andrew I'm just thinking of your office and all the monitors that are up.
Everett Yeah. Yeah. Well, that's a true thing, too. So I get this new computer. With the new computer, I realized that my laptop sleeve won't work. I've had a 13 inch computer for years. Ever. For years and years and years. And so now I've got a 14 and a half inch, 14.4 inch computer and it doesn't fit on my laptop sleeve. So the sleeve I had before this was a sleeve by a Swedish company, mostly known for their like car racks called Thule. I'm pretty sure it's Thule. I think there's a hyphen over the last E. Yeah, maybe, maybe. But I've got this Thule laptop, 13-inch laptop sleeve, and it's always served me well. It's fine. It's good. I got a new, bigger Thule laptop sleeve. In looking for this thing, I thought, well, should I just get the same sleeve for the bigger computer? And I looked at laptop sleeves and I don't think there's anything else on the market that really does what this does as well as this does. And it occurred to me, A, I've never talked about this laptop sleeve, which I do think is probably the greatest laptop sleeve on earth.
Andrew You like lament, you wake me up to pick up your laptop sleeve and you forget it. Right.
Everett So now I have a new one for my new computer and... We're maybe playing too long, this might be a... Damn it!
Andrew Damn it. That's a straight victory. We've both had a positive, like a fully W tonight.
Everett Yeah. Yeah. So this, so they call this the Thule Gauntlet is what this is called. I've now had this in both. It's a fucking beast. 13 inch and 16 inch. And I don't think there's anything comparable in the market. It's relatively affordable. I mean, these aren't cheap, right? I think they're $50 and like $65.
Andrew This is $65, but it's also protecting a significant investment.
Everett Yeah, that's right. I've got a $2,000 laptop in it, so $65 is fine.
Andrew And it's not a Pelican case.
Everett Yeah. No, this thing fits inside my coach briefcase, and I've got a tiny little coach briefcase. This thing fits in there no problem at all.
Andrew You don't have a tiny coach briefcase.
Everett That's pretty small, but it's it. It's not like a big like.
Andrew Yeah, it's a briefcase still. It's not like a lady's shoulder bag or a messenger bag or something crazy. Sure. It's it's certainly more robust than the like silicone padded sleeves. Right. But not by much. I've always been shocked by how slim and armored that case is.
Everett Yeah, and it's not quite hard, hard sided, but it's also not, not, not, not. That's right. So as an owner now of two of these, a repeat customer, if you're looking for a laptop slave, the Thule Gauntlet, highly recommend.
Andrew And we all say Thule correctly now.
Everett You're welcome. You're welcome. Andrew, now we've done it. Of course we've done it. Is there anything you'd like to add before we proceed to the next segment of the show, which is the end?
Andrew I'm out of things.
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