Episode 201 - Watches Roundup for September 1, 2022

Published on Wed, 31 Aug 2022 23:37:46 -0700

Synopsis

This podcast episode covers recent watch releases from events like Geneva Watch Days 2022, including the new 39mm Tudor Pelagos, Doxa Army watches in steel, a Longines Evidenza with a sector dial, and the Maurice Lacroix Pontos S chronograph. The hosts also discuss other topics like the movie "1917", a smart sprinkler controller, and upcoming branded merchandise for the podcast.

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Andrew	Hello fellow watch lovers, nerds, enthusiasts, or however you identify. You're listening to 40 in 20, the Watch Clicker podcast with your hosts, Andrew and my good friend Everett. Here we talk about watches, food, drinks, life, and other things we like. Everett, how are you?
Everett	Man, I'm ready. I'm ready. I'm good. Uh, there's been, um, I had a golf weekend. I had my, uh, like one of my annual retreats. This one just includes, Beer, debauchery, and golf, and little else. So did that. But that is a weekend, man.
Andrew	And four dudes with one twin-sized bed.
Everett	Right. Right, exactly. And so there's a level of energy tonight that might reflect that. So apologies in advance. But no, I'm doing really well. It's nice to sort of forget all your troubles.
Andrew	And focus on your short game.
Everett	And focus on your short game, that's right. But yeah, it was good. I think, you know, very important to all of you at home, I was, I shared the lead in total wins for the weekend. Yeah, yeah, that's a good time.
Andrew	Well done.
Everett	Is that two or one? It is, it was four total victories. Yeah. Which is good. Which is good.
Andrew	done. Yeah.
Everett	Yeah. Um, but yeah, other than that, just, you know, same old, same old work. It's just kind of like a weird week for me because, um, I've got the golf weekend coming off the golf weekend back to work for two days to grind, grind, grind, get as much shit as I can. And then I go to Atlanta for three days. Uh, practically speaking, I'll be in Atlanta for a day, but the total trip will be Three days.
Andrew	And what are you doing there?
Everett	I will be going to the Oregon Ducks, Georgia Bulldogs, the season opener at Mercedes-Benz Stadium in Atlanta, which is a quote unquote neutral site.
Andrew	It's very neutral in Atlanta, Georgia. Right.
Everett	I mean, you can't like see Athens from Atlanta, so it's neutral. No, I mean, maybe if you get on a tall enough building, actually. Yeah, perhaps.
Andrew	I think I think it's feasible, actually. And I'm certain that on your descent into Atlanta, you will be able to see Athens from the airplane.
Everett	Yeah, no, almost certainly. Yes, that's correct.
Andrew	You won't be able to see even the mountain time zone, never mind the Pacific time zone. Yeah, that's right. Which makes it hard. a hard sell for me on neutral territory. But Pac-12 travels pretty well, especially to someplace like Atlanta. So I think it'll be intriguing to see the showing on television, because that's where I'll be watching it.
Everett	It'll be fun, whatever, who cares, right? It'll be fun, it's just a stupid football game.
Andrew	It's easy to say who cares when you're going.
Everett	Yeah, yeah, that's right. I care, I would like to go. Well, and frankly, I'm sort of reluctant to be like Atlanta peeps. Where are you at? Because I just know I'm not going to have time to do anything. We're flying in. We're flying in Friday evening. We get there pretty late games on Saturday and then we fly out Sunday morning.
Andrew	So it's going to be gnarly.
Everett	Yeah. A pretty quick turnaround. We needed to get back Sunday, though, because Monday the tickets get weird because it's Labor Day. So, yeah, ruin everything. Yeah. Those laborers.
Andrew	You've done a hard work, hard week of laboring. You need to celebrate by having a extra day off after your multiple days off.
Everett	Correct. Correct. Exactly. Uh, Andrew, how are you?
Andrew	I'm good. Same old, same old normal stuff. I, uh, I have a, a rental car right now and something that I learned about my insurance is that I already pay to have a comparable replacement. Like when I figured out I needed a rental car, I was like, I'll get like a, Maxima or something like the normal rental car you expect like some midsize Nissan sedan. Yeah, Malibu or whatever. Yeah, and they're like, all right. Well, we got a 2021 Ram 1500 or 2021 Ram 2500. Which one do you want? And I was like, well, diesel's pretty expensive. But why, why is that how you have? And they're like, that's what your insurance said you needed because of what you already drive. Like, oh, cool. So I'm in a one year old Ram 1500 for several weeks while a special replacement park gets ordered for my car.
Everett	Is this your. Yeah, my driveline, your driveline.
Andrew	Yeah. And a little minor incident with it. And like two years ago. No, not that long ago. Not my long shot, but it's now getting it's it's getting replaced. And the insurance company said that's not safe to drive. And I was like, no, it's not safe to drive.
Everett	Okay So I'll I'll be in a in a rental truck for a little while tell that to 2020 bastards. Yeah Well, great. Yeah, I saw the pickup in the driveway.
Andrew	I didn't know if that was yours or sort of mine for a while And you know tomorrow we're gonna go look at a Chrysler Pacifica to replace Sam's car So, you know what happened on the car front? I don't know if the Pacifica has Has the entertainment package that's something that I'm hoping for because then I'll start writing in the backseat and watching television with the kids.
Everett	Sure. Sure. You know, I can't imagine that it's that the entertainment package is worth it when you can just buy an iPad for 350 bucks.
Andrew	It might be worth it. You don't have to charge the iPad, right? Like, there's not the inherent danger of a battery failure.
Everett	If they could figure out a way to put, like, USB chargers in cars, that would make a ton of sense.
Andrew	Yeah, but the silence created by the charging period is horrifying. And I'm not going to get the kids the 10-foot charging cables, because those are for me. They need to be attached to the wall at a short distance if they're charging their shit.
Everett	Can you buy a Chrysler Pacifica right now?
Andrew	We're looking at one in the morning.
Everett	So I know there's a lot of cars like midsize SUVs are really hard to Pacifica's are minivans, man. Okay, okay It's like nobody wants minivans. You can get this.
Andrew	Yeah, that's what all the dealerships have said We've like gone in and test drove a couple and I'm like how fast are these going? Like is there any urgency? Like well, you know they go. I'm like, no, no, you must have misunderstood me Is there any urgency for me? Like, well, you know, people aren't really exactly in that particular market hot right now. It's like, cool. So good. You could just say, no, it'll be here for a couple of weeks.
Everett	Take your time, but right. Pressure me. And if it's not there, there will be another one. That's the point.
Everett	Yeah. Yeah. Well, good. We, you know, uh, Chrysler Pacificas are a good jumping off point to talk about watches as always, because there's a clock on the inside.
Andrew	Right. There we go. There's our segue. Cars have clocks.
Everett	And we're going to talk about watches today. We are. We've got there. And instead of an interview with some person who you would love to hear more from, instead of some interesting topic that we've researched to death, we are going to bear the laboring or of giving you the watch news. that you sure to have missed in this last week and change since you heard us last.
Andrew	Yeah, because none of you pay attention the way that we do.
Everett	Correct. Correct. And, you know, the stuff doesn't really show up on Instagram or every single website that talks about watches on the face of the earth. So here we are. Doing the thing we do best and rounding up the watches of the last week and a half and the things of the last week and a half and some things, some of the things That's right. Uh, as you guys might know, as you may or may not know, I should say, uh, this last week we saw a lot of releases from Geneva watch days, 2022, the Swiss, uh, which is, which is, I think, I think it's fair to say, I don't think it's terribly insulting to say that is sort of the second fiddle of, of watch shows, big Switzerland watch shows, or amongst the second fiddles. Certainly not as big an event as Watches and Wonders, but big in its own right. We always see a lot of interesting releases around Geneva watch days, and this year was no different.
Andrew	I think you get a lot more of the, like, kind of novel releases during this period.
Everett	Yeah.
Andrew	Weird colorways and rainbows and
Everett	And certainly what you do get is a lot of, in my mind, kind of inaccessible stuff. So about 90% of the drops from Geneva Watch Days are watches that, practically speaking, I'm not going to get too excited about. Not because they're not beautiful or gorgeous or interesting, but just because they're kind of outside of the realm of possibility for me. And they're not the realm of possibility, but that's just not what we talk about. It's not what I'm interested in. And they're only going to make 10 of them. Yeah. Yeah. Well, no, some of these are production releases, but definitely as with most things Swiss, we're talking about expensive watches by and large, uh, like Moser, beautiful watches, wonderful company. They actually do really interesting stuff. Uh, but I mean, practically speaking, it's not like, it's not a daily driver for me. It's not something I'm interested in on a day to day basis.
Andrew	I didn't come across in the releases any daily driver, like true daily drivers for me.
Everett	Well, I, you know, I think that there were some daily drivers.
Andrew	There was some cool watches, but no daily, none of like my style of daily driver. Sure.
Everett	Sure. Well, I think you're going to eat your words shortly. I think you're going to eat your word shortly. Um, Andrew, do you want to kick us off? Do you have anything? Do you have anything that's caught your eye?
Andrew	I have a lot of things that caught my eye. Uh, what? Hmm. I think we should talk about the thing that nobody has talked about yet. The perhaps hottest take you will hear at 40 and 20. I'm very excited to announce for the first time ever a 39 millimeter Pelagos. Yeah, you guys probably missed this. Yeah, I don't think anyone's heard of it yet. We are, we are, we have the scoop
Everett	So Tudor released a 39 millimeter Pelagos.
Andrew	Tudor's doing something right now, right? We see the reduced size Ranger. We're seeing a reduced size Pelagos. I'm going to alternate back and forth from what I say. I don't know which one people prefer. I don't know which one I prefer. Peli. Maybe we'll just stick there. Pelagos. Pelagis. So what we're seeing, we're seeing, I think a really cool trend from Tudor and, and in the way of following what the watch market at large is doing, which is that reduction in size, not moving towards necessarily diminutive, but just less slabby, less big, a little bit more sleek. And this is the perfect next step for them.
Everett	Andrew, do you know what the single coolest thing about this watch is? That it's 39 millimeters? No. Oh. The single coolest thing about this watch is in the next three to seven weeks, you're going to be able to buy Black Bay 58s for fucking cheap. Yeah. Go buy your Black Bay 58. If you want one now's the time.
Andrew	No, in like a month is the time.
Everett	I think it's now. I think everybody's trying to get together money for these three to seven weeks. That's my prediction. I think you're going to see a lull in prices. We can We can ask our Watch Charts friends if they can pull data on that, but that's my guess.
Andrew	Yeah, you're going to see a huge dump. Not now. People are going to still try to sell their premium right now.
Everett	Nah, they're going to dump them. The market's going to get flooded.
Andrew	This is objectively better in every way than a BlackBerry 58. Oh. I think. Yeah, I don't know. Maybe subjectively better in every way. Maybe we'll go with that. It's all the things that we want out of it. the appropriate size. And it's what? Oh, how thick is it? 11.8. 11.8. I would say 12 or 11.8. So it's 11.8. We'll agree on that.
Everett	39 millimeters, 47 millimeter lug to lug.
Andrew	Yes. It's the Peli in the best size for this watch.
Everett	And they've done some cool things too in reducing the size. They've ditched the date window. They've ditched the helium release valve.
Andrew	Which is a little bit of a bummer for the cool factor of it, right? It's a totally unnecessary cool factor. Yeah. But it would have been cool to hold the release valve at the 39.
Everett	They've also removed water resistance to the tune of 100 meters. This is now a 200 meter watch. So this is less Like in your face, can't break it to a watch, I think. Although I think, I think you're still getting.
Andrew	It's still titanium. It's grade two titanium. Correct.
Everett	Which has got that really nice dark coloration.
Andrew	Yeah. It's still there. It just doesn't have all the tool shit that the original size, the full size, cause maybe this could, this will be the Peli reduced. Right. We have the full sized Pelagos and then we'll have the 39 millimeter Pelagos. Maybe that's how we start to use those interchangeably. The Peli reduced. Yeah. Or maybe just the Peli. The P, P logos. The lil P. Lil P. Lil P. That was good. I'm proud of that one. And all the things you know and expect from Tudor. I mean, it's got a five year transferable guarantee. Like what? This is just cool shit. I love what Tudor's doing. They're following what the market is saying they want.
Everett	So over under on a North flag announcement.
Andrew	Hmm.
Everett	I'm going to put it at nine months. I'm going to put, I'm going to put it in nine months.
Andrew	November. So what's that? Three months?
Everett	It is fewer than nine months.
Andrew	You're going to take, I'm going to take the under. Yep. I think it's going to be their Christmas release. Like bring Tudor home for Christmas.
Everett	Man. I mean, that would be a, that would be a thing. Mm. That'd be a thing.
Andrew	Um, I mean, I don't know, but obviously cause it's a yes, but I'm, I'm guessing under nine.
Everett	So Andrew, you are a thumbs up or a thumbs down on this.
Andrew	Yes. Straight thumbs up. And I hope they do a left-handed Peli. I will buy it.
Everett	Shut up you people. Yeah. Get out. What are you doing in here? It's a private residence.
Andrew	It's my house. Uh, if they, if they do a left-handed one of these, I will, I will buy it same day. All right.
Everett	Yeah. All right. Really? Same day. So we didn't talk about the price. I mean, I think we're at like what? Three 3,100, something like that. Yeah. Uh, shit. Which is, which is almost exactly one 80th of what you have to pay for a sub.
Andrew	Yeah.
Everett	And it's mathematically speaking.
Andrew	Yeah. And you'll never pay sub prices for this. So the, the problem with that is you'll never all, you won't immediately make 10 times your cost back. There won't be that immediate return on investment, but yeah.
Everett	You know, I think that everybody loves the Black Bay 58. I, I think the Black Bay 58 is a beautiful watch. I don't love it. It works for me though. I think it's a little dressy. It's uh, I mean, it's a beautiful watch. I'm not taking anything away, but it's maybe not for me. This fills a void, I think. In fact, recently, I was looking at the 925 58s, the sterling silver, and I think that's a gorgeous watch, but I wouldn't want to have a watch in silver. The tarnish factor is I find that unpleasant, or at least the idea of it is unpleasant. So in titanium, man, I think this is a fucking banger. Yeah.
Andrew	And it's going to be, you're going to be able to treat it like a banger too. This is the spirit of the modern dive watch.
Everett	It is the modern sub is what it is. The modern tour sub. Yeah. And, and they come as just one kit, I think. So they're all, they just have black, uh, interesting thing they've done. They've got a ceramic bezel, but it's brushed to sort of, It's like a radially brushed, like a sunburst ceramic, which that's interesting.
Andrew	I think it complements the titanium, like the natural grain of the titanium.
Everett	Yeah. And so these all come, these all come with both a bracelet, a titanium bracelet, obviously, and, and a, the rubber strap, you know, in the way of Tudor with the steel end links.
Andrew	Are they steel or titanium, do you think?
Everett	Oh, they're titanium. Yeah, I just... Metal. I should have said metal. But yeah, I think this is cool. I'm into it.
Andrew	I like that look. It kind of creates the integrated look without actually being the pain in the ass that an integrated strap is. Right, right.
Everett	So Cool Watch, hey, can I name one of mine? Pass. So this is actually not a Geneva Watch Days release. I think this actually was debuted in Europe quite a while ago. I don't know, certainly in the last year, if not more. But this is a watch that's just made its way over to the US. And it's kind of like in the, you know, six months late on the style But the Citizens NJ0150. This is a watch I've seen on the gram. And beautiful. These are beautiful. It is got that 70s integrated bracelet going on. Robert J. Breuer.
Andrew	Jan Breuer? Yeah, who knows? He might, but generally we don't.
Everett	RJ Breuer. from Fratella wrote about this a few weeks ago, the yellow version of these said, hey, we just got these over. This is kind of like an OP dial with a PRX case made by Citizen. It's an automatic. Shit, man, I think this is really cool. Just just sort of get some stuff out of the way. Retail price is like under 300 or under 300 bucks. It's 40 millimeter watch 49 millimeter lug to lug, but it kind of, it's that integrated case. So I think that lug to lug, it's a little bit deceptive, kind of a president style bracelet with a simple looking clasp. Uh, you know, and 250 euros right now, 250 euros, kind of a basic B movement, uh, the 80 to 10, uh, citizen movement. which whatever 40 hours and 2021 six beats. These are these are fine movements that they're fine, but they're giving them to you for a really nice price. This is got that sort of like you know, Rolex oyster oyster quartz type of thing going on. Although it's an automatic see through case back it's just interesting, fun, kind of beautiful watch. It's got, um, obviously not gold, but like a gold anodized movement or some sort of gold PVD on the movement. I like this watch, man.
Andrew	I really like this watch. It does it for me. And if I think if this had been released contemporaneously with the PRX, like what a year ago now, like globally, I think this would be a contender for that PRX hype.
Everett	Yeah. I don't know. I don't know that I agree necessarily. Um, but it may be, yeah, maybe I could do without the Cyclops.
Andrew	That's about the only thing I could do without.
Everett	I think that's going to, I like Cyclops actually, but I think that that's going to be a popular opinion.
Andrew	I also can tell that this is going to be a really good jangly bracelet. you can see nice big gaps in it already. It was that president's style. But it's like, it's, I think perhaps half a millimeter larger than others.
Everett	You know what I wonder about this watch? So it's got, it's that kind of integrated style, but really what it is is just a very small spring bar in that center link that leads into the case. And, you know, I wonder, I assume that smaller, that shorter spring bar is inherently less stable. And I also assume that you're putting additional force on that point. I'm wondering if that's a weakness point for the watch. Obviously, they've had an opportunity to test these things out. And it's not a new design either. But I do wonder, is that a point of potential failure, that smaller
Andrew	Why would it be less?
Everett	Less stable. I assume the spring bar will be stronger millimeter to millimeter because it's shorter, but you just have more torsional forces affecting it because it's spread over less distance.
Andrew	You're probably going to break more spring bars and replacements. Good news though, ain't shit out there to replace this bracelet.
Everett	Yeah.
Andrew	Yeah, you're wearing this bracelet. This is what you get. There are no alternatives.
Everett	I wonder if that smaller spring bar, though, is more prone to failure and if anybody's had any experience with that. But like I said, not a new design. It could be a thing, but it's obviously not been something that's devastated the market for this type of watch.
Andrew	Have you ever popped a spring bar during wear?
Everett	I have. Yeah. What were you doing? I don't know. But yeah, no, I definitely have.
Andrew	Like on an OEM strap or bracelet?
Everett	I don't know that I can say that for sure, but I've definitely popped spring bars.
Andrew	I've never popped one on OEM, which makes me believe that all of my spring bar pops have been installer error.
Everett	Oh yeah. Yeah. No, I'm sure.
Andrew	All right. Can we move on to the next fuckery? Good Lord. Um, that's funny. I think in other news, uh, we are going to be having an open casting call for a new, new best friend. Very good friend. Um, we've had these before. We haven't, you know, we've had some people like kind of rise to the top, just not quite. Make the cut. I do believe that the bar has been lowered. So, you know, send them in. Here's something exciting. Doc's Army. We called it, by the way. We called it. It was kind of an easy call. It wasn't a particularly hot take. Right. Shaquille O'Neal is going to be in the Hall of Fame. What? Doxa Army and stainless steel. We all knew it was coming. You heard it here first though. It's, it's out. It's here. It's, um, I don't know if it's available for purchase right now, but if it's not, it will be very soon. And the Doxa Army is the kind of, the word I'm looking for is,
Everett	You're looking at me like I'm supposed to finish the sentence.
Andrew	I lose words these days. I think I'm getting dementia. So, you know, we've talked about this one conflict, right? There's some conflict, some drama. Yeah, I don't associate it with the Doxa army.
Everett	I don't know if anybody makes a thing of this besides us. But if you'll remember from our all about Doxa episode, you diligent listener, you We talked about the Synchron release of the Doxa Army and... The Synchron Military. The Synchron Military, yes. And how within, I don't know, 24 hours or so, Doxa dropped a post on Instagram basically saying, you know, only trust the original kind of thing, like sort of taking the piss out of Synchron. After kind of a contentious breakup, And so this is a bit of a, this is a bit of a continuation of that story for those of you that are paying attention. Uh, you know, I, again, I think we've talked about this. I don't really see other people engaging with this subject matter, which makes me think kind of nobody cares, but there's a thing out there because we are the hot takers of the watch world.
Andrew	We're super hot takey. Um, everyone knows us for that. Um, but that's where we're at. Right? There is something there that's definitely not being addressed for one reason or another. But here it is. You know, we had the carbon release a year ago.
Everett	Maybe not quite a year ago, but in the last year, certainly.
Andrew	In the last year, we had the full carbon release. It was carbon, wasn't it? Yeah. Yeah. And now we are into stainless. steel, which is really the one that excited me. The carbon's cool. And you know, that kind of fits with DOCSIS. Like we have these three watches that we're going to have forever. We've had since the beginning and we will have until the next Armageddon meteor hits the planet earth. And about four times a year, we're going to drop a limited release that is either really cool or really not, but it doesn't matter because it's not sticking around. Sure. I hope this lands a piece of the permanent catalog.
Everett	Yeah. I think it's cool. I think they've done some really cool things with these. They, you know, the price. So these are, as far as I know, not limited releases. These are all catalog releases, unlimited as it were. Um, and they've got one pretty, I would say just kind of what you'd expect. Um, which is to say steel and steel and, and bezel and steel. Yeah. It's a doc. So Uh, that's right. They've got, they've got one of these that is just clearly a Doxa and to that end is also, you know, a Synchron. Uh, and then the other, the other release of this, they're, they've had said they've got five separate SKUs, which may be true, uh, but they've, this is two watches. There's the steel on steel and then this absolutely gorgeous army green insert brass bezel version of this. And I'm I'm kind of an I'm more of a blacked out about black bezel kind of guy. But this green ceramic bezel is just bronze.
Andrew	Yeah, what I said ceramic because that makes more sense.
Everett	But it's a bronze bezel, which is ceramic insert bronze bezel. Yeah, yeah. Uh, and yeah, very cool. You can get these on a steel beads of rice, which is the right choice. You can also get these on a fitted black or a hunter green FKM. I think if you can pick those up on the aftermarket. Just get both. Yeah. I think you got to get the, the beads of rice.
Andrew	And it also could be the, wow. Yeah. Just get both. Just get both.
Everett	That green, that green is out of this world though. Yeah. It's such a surprising decision and I think it works so well. The bronze too. Surprising decision and it just works really, really well.
Andrew	I'm, this has impacted my Doxa decision-making tree from like settled to now back to 50-50.
Everett	Oh, cause you, you, you, you might be a buyer.
Andrew	Yeah. I, you know, the, that blue, the 300 T Caribbean has just sung to me. And now this army in all steel, it, it fills a space that doesn't already, I didn't know existed in my watch collection. Whereas the blue dive watch, you know, classically styled or not, It's not exactly a void. It doesn't exist, but it's not exactly a void, right?
Everett	This is a void. You think there's a void in your collection that this fills?
Andrew	I want it to fill. Yeah. Okay. Put it in me. It can have its pick. Yeah, this is money. And we've talked about this watch and the Synchron Military several times for a reason.
Everett	We like this watch. We've not touched either of these watches, I think. Is that accurate? We've both handled a Daxa. We've both handled Daxas, but we've not had the Synchron. We've not had this new Daxa Army, which I don't think very many folks have. Only like 50 people have had a Synchron. I think they released a bunch of those. I thought it was way The words I'm getting from people who have handled both is that the Synchron's very nice. Probably fit and finish not quite up there with Doxa. But Doxa's not really known for its over-the-top fit and finish either. Shouldn't be. I think that you're going to get a higher quality watch from Doxa versus the Synchron. You should. I kind of like, you know, we struggled with this when we talked about the topic on our DOXA show. I really like Rick Murray. I don't know that I was always enamored by what he did with DOXA or whatever, but learning that story really made me have a lot of respect for him. And so I think the Synchron's a fine choice. I think the Synchron's a just fine choice. But you probably get a nicer watch with the DOXA, if I had to guess.
Andrew	that much more money. We're looking at about an $800 difference or new pricing between the Synchron and the Doxo. $800 is not a dollar amount to sneeze at, but when you're already spending $1,200, I think the value... Are these two grand on a bracelet?
Everett	Yes.
Andrew	Oh my God. They are completely aligned with the 300T line.
Everett	Yeah, that's a great price.
Andrew	Yeah, $2090 for a bracelet.
Everett	2250 for the steel bronze. Yeah.
Andrew	Yeah. Well, which makes sense, right? You're getting a little bit different. It's outside of the normal, out of the molds that they've already been using.
Everett	Yeah. And interestingly enough, you're not paying a huge premium for the bracelet. So, uh, 40 bucks in both instances.
Andrew	Yeah. Which is also unusual.
Everett	Yeah. Yeah. Uh, non-limited available at Doxa retailers and via the Doxa website starting in October, 2022. Yeah.
Andrew	This might, um, this might throw a wrench in my acquisition flow chart for the year.
Everett	Um, Andrew, Andrew, Andrew, Andrew.
Andrew	Yes, Everett.
Everett	What's next, dude. I, you know what, I think, I think we've, I think I'm actually ready to turn it off. Because of the... We've just talked about everything I wanted to talk about. The Doxo photographs. Yeah. Thank you, Doxo. What do you got? What's next?
Andrew	Ooh. I mean, I did talk about... I did have the last pick, but I'm happy to have the next pick in line. My next is... It's not a new watch. It's just this year's line with a slightly updated dial, some new colors. Longine Evidenza.
Everett	It's pronounced longinus.
Andrew	Oh yeah. The longinus evidenza with a sector dial. And I saw this kind of gilt royal blue, royal blue.
Everett	Yeah. Kind of like a midnight. Yeah.
Andrew	Yeah. On blue leather, which I could, I'm, you know, that's a little bit problematic for me. I'd like to see this on something different, but it's neither here nor there. So we've got the 2022 line seems a little late of evidences with some new colorways with this just just the updated sector dial and this seeing this colorway got me. Yeah. When I when I saw it I was like oh shit. Yeah. And and this isn't a watch that I was I mean I've seen it. I've not really looked into it. I wasn't familiar with it. I was shocked at the $2,070 price tag on a steel bracelet. Because this kind of changes the game for me in the rectangle square world. Yeah, so it's finally seeing a color that I'm like, yes, that's it. Like, oh, that might be it.
Everett	Yeah, these are clearly dressier watches. This is I think you'd call this a tonneau. It's definitely a tonneau. And, you know, I think these things are always kind of around, right? Not not probably not the most in demand. watch in the launching line. Uh, but pretty gorgeous. I'd say if I had to guess, uh, above par to excellent finishing, I mean the construction on these is at least on paper, beautiful and well done. Um, Yeah. And I'm with you, Andrew. This, this dial is the one you've pulled up, which will be in the show notes this midnight with the kind of just a slight sunburst and that gold printing. I think this is, this is pretty sexy. And I, although I did not expect to be talking about a tonneau case, 30 millimeter laundry and dress watch tonight, I'm here for it.
Andrew	I'm here for it and I'm here for you. It's very much in, I mean, you know this watch, it's very much in the vein of the Reverso, of the Tank, of this, of that ilk of by design dress watch. A blue aluminum crown tube.
Everett	That gives it kind of like a modern pop.
Andrew	Yeah. It, I'm, I'm, I'm here for it. And it kind of creates some like Santos questions for me. It's not a, It's not an analog, not by a long shot. It fills a very similar space and I'd like to wear one and I just don't.
Everett	Andrew, we are going to have to have some serious conversations, you and me, before you pick this watch over a Santos.
Andrew	I'm just saying. No, I know. I'm going to have, I'm sure when we're at wind up, I'll be able to wear one of these.
Everett	Yeah, maybe. I don't know. I don't know if there's going to be, I don't think either at watch time or wind up. Announcement, by the way, we'll be in New York. Yes for wind up. We October 21st. Andrew is making his watch show debut, which is going to be a big deal, right? Uh, if you guys are going to want to see Andrew or actually talk to him, he'll be doing a couple of signings.
Andrew	You will not like me. I assure you of that much better in this environment for you. You don't want to, you don't want to break the fourth wall with me. Um, but yeah, I'm just, we just consider, I have to wear this. I'm sure there's a Longine in New York.
Everett	Yeah, maybe. I'm sure we could find one.
Andrew	We're going to have to find one. This is a thing that must happen before I do something else.
Everett	I like it. I'm here for it. I love that construction. I love the anodized aluminum crown tube.
Andrew	Yeah, that's cool. It seems to me like they're trying to replicate the sapphire cap on the Santos crown
Everett	You know, I feel like Longines kind of gets missed, gets missed by the watch hype people because it's like almost inherently an unhypey brand.
Andrew	Yeah.
Everett	They've got some of these stodgy lines, the Evidenza in my mind being one of them.
Andrew	It absolutely is.
Everett	And you know, it's just Longines is not that company that's doing exciting things. They're not particularly exclusive. They're not particularly innovative. And so I think they're a bit of a sleeper, but clearly well-respected for good reason. So I think we kind of miss Longines occasionally.
Andrew	This is the personification, like I am the personification of this watch, just attractive enough to get by. Well-constructed, sturdy, simple, sturdy, boring, I could wear this. This could be a daily driver for me.
Everett	Yeah. Yeah. Um.
Andrew	What you got? You know.
Everett	Andrew. Yes. I want to talk a little bit about another company that I think we miss. Occasionally, and I'm not exactly sure why I haven't put my finger on it.
Andrew	Is that the new Auris diver?
Everett	Oh, well. I think that I've not been hugely impressed by Maurice Lacroix. It's Lacroix. Lacroix. There's an X. But not for any good reason. Look, these guys make terrific watches, and I've had an opportunity to handle these on a number of occasions. They make fun watches, good watches. I think that they present a bit of a difficult value proposition for what they are. I would be more inclined to be like Maurice Lacroix is the shit if they were priced maybe 20% cheaper than they are. Um, I think that Maurice Lacroix makes a stunning product for me, for whatever reason, they're always just a bit outside what I'm willing to pay for that watch, at least at retail. Um, and, and I think this watch is no different. I think this watch is no different, but, um, Maurice Lacroix released it. And so obviously, this is a classic company, right? This is a company that's been around for a long time. They've, they've, and they've got great watches. This is a new, a new version of a watch that was released a few years ago, two or three years ago. This is, this is the Pontos chronograph, but with an S designation, the Pontos S chronograph. And this is a external bezel sporty, I think the S stands for sports.
Andrew	I think it stands for sporty.
Everett	Chronograph. It's a big watch. This is a 43 millimeter kind of chunky chronograph with these elongated pushers. And shit, man, this is beautiful. So it comes in two colors, colorways. It comes with a white dial. This is like a Tricompax layout chronograph, automatic chronograph. It's got this gorgeous sunburst blue dial on one of them and a white dial on the other. The white dial is kind of like a 612 Panda layout. Shit, man. I think this is pretty great. The only problem I have with this is a little spendy. These are like $3,500 to $4,000. Now listen, objectively speaking, for an automatic chronograph with a great movement, that's the right price. Do you know what they're using for their bass movement? Oh, it is a Salida. It's a Salida bass. Oh yeah, based on Salida. It's a Salida bass chronograph. And it's a beautiful movement. They've got a beautiful movement in here. a well-finished movement, and it's gonna be solid and stable. This is a little big. It's got 22 millimeter lugs, which, fuck, kind of a pass on that. It's got a giant, like a seemingly like 13 millimeter giant male end link. I think there's some problems with this watch. However, notwithstanding those problems, I'm kind of into it. I think if you're like, In that place where you want a dope, legit, super well-finished chronograph that's different than anything else, you've got some options, right? Fortis in this price range. I mean, there are some options in this price range, but this is coming in at less than Fortis, I think.
Andrew	Less than most. I mean, relative to what you're looking at in this category, this is kind of the one.
Everett	Yeah. Yeah. And it's got some neat design things that I really like. It is a Day-Date.
Andrew	Which is going to be a big turnoff for a lot of people.
Everett	Yeah. I love the way they've done the Day-Date, though. It's got these two windows. Yeah, shit. Gosh, I'm kind of into the watch. I'm kind of in the details. The elongated pushers, that kind of dog bowl crown There's some stuff, it's got a step on the finishing, so it's not like a real traditional anglage, it's kind of a stepped chamfer. Yeah, that's right. I'm kind of into this, man. I'd like to get my hands on one. They were at, so there was a Maurice Lacroix retailer at Wind Up in San Francisco. I assume they'll be in New York as well, so I'm looking forward to getting my hands on one of these.
Andrew	One of the things that I really appreciate about this 12-6-9 layout is they didn't force a 12 o'clock. A 12 o'clock.
Everett	12 o'clock?
Andrew	12 o'clock? Logo. Yeah, the 12 o'clock logo. They didn't force it. They built it around the day date.
Everett	Yeah, it gives some symmetry. It's an option with these.
Andrew	It's an option. I think it's not often enough used where that sub-dial layout still tries to force a 12 o'clock logo. And they created really nice symmetry with it. And I like it. It's a new watch. Super thin tachymeter bezel, super thin, which I think is going to help with the overall size feel of this watch.
Everett	Yeah. Do you know, is this ion plating on the,
Andrew	It doesn't look like it.
Everett	Yeah, I'm not sure what the bezels, uh, made of. Let's see if I can find it. Black ceramic bezel. Yeah. A hundred meters of water resistance. It's a cool watch and I think it's fun and I'm happy to talk about it.
Andrew	Yeah, it's money.
Everett	Which I've done.
Andrew	It's all suspensive.
Everett	Yeah, no, I mean, it's the, look, it's the right price for an automatic chronograph. I think for an automatic chronograph, 2000 is just bargain basement.
Andrew	Yeah.
Everett	And really, you should expect to pay $3,500 to $6,000 for, you know, not an entry level, but in that sort of affordable range for an automatic chronograph. So this is in there. And it's even perhaps on the low end of that. And I bet that if you wait just a little bit, you'll be able to pick these up secondhand for well under $3,000. Interesting though.
Andrew	It's only a 10-franc difference between a, oh no, 110-franc difference. I don't math good. Between the sailcloth and the... Yeah, the sailcloth and the bracelet. And it was a much bigger difference between the full set. But now I get it because it's not a 10-franc difference. It's 110.
Everett	110 Swiss francs. And that's all I have to say about that. That's a good pick.
Andrew	And you know what? I think
Everett	Did we do it? I think we've done it. We did it. Yeah. Man, we're getting good at this.
Andrew	You know, I don't know about that.
Everett	We'll say thank you to all of the support. When we discussed just this last week with our friend Brodenky, when we discussed the fact that some people don't like other things, we got a lot of positive feedback and no negative feedback. I got many, many, many comments that said, I like the other things. I like the other things. And we got some more practical comments that said, I like the other things. And if you've listened to at least an episode, you know that that's the end of the watches, so you can just fucking turn it off. And I was like, yeah, duh, that's right. So thank you for all your positive feedback. We are gonna continue to do other things. We've considered canceling that section of the show.
Andrew	200 times we've considered it.
Everett	But based on your positive feedback, we're keeping it around. And in that in that way, Andrew. Other things, what do you got?
Andrew	I got a movie. No, it's not a new movie.
Everett	It is Rosebud is a sled.
Andrew	Is it carried on? That wasn't my interpretation. So I finally watched the movie 1917. And I never watched it because I was like, who really needs? This like, yeah, it's me. I watched the other World War one movie that came out at about the same time. I was like. Yeah. Watched Fury that came out, you know, about three years prior, and I was like, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Everett	Like there was just kind of a. A lack of.
Andrew	grandiosity to these war epics that were coming out. And these were being billed as these huge war epics, right? And they just weren't, they weren't hitting the nail on the head for me. I had some time this weekend and I watched 1917. I was like, eh, it's on Hulu. I'll run it. It'll, it can be a second screening event. It was terrific.
Everett	Yeah, it's really good.
Andrew	So 1917 is really unique in the way it's shot. It is meant to be a single shot. And it plays like a single shot. It plays like a single shot. And when I started it, I was like, oh, this is kind of interesting. I knew this was happening. Like I knew I was aware of the cinematography of this movie before watching it. And because of the hype of the cinematography, I was just kind of I was like, no, you're not going to overhype me for just another let down or a gimmick.
Everett	Yeah. A single scene gimmick.
Andrew	It was so good. They were able to play. I don't know what's presumably. 14 hours. Of life, maybe a little more. you know, 14 to 18 hours of, of life in a two hour or so movie in what is perceived as a single encounter. Like you follow these people on this really, really specific, really, really small kind of saving private Ryan esque story.
Everett	Yeah. You just know it's perilous from the moment you start.
Andrew	And, and you know, it's, It's a, it's a lovely story, right? It's, it's the, the battle of the human will story. There's no real villains in it. They do an interesting job humanizing everyone showing this just shitty situation that nobody wins in, in this really forgotten, enormous global conflict. And you get just a glimpse into the, just how shitty it was, but even in how shitty it was, it's this beautiful cinematography, this beautiful scene, like, like set design. Sam Mendes, is that right? Yeah. Yeah. So Sam Mendes directed, wrote in, in partnership with Christy Wilson-Cairns. It was, it's worth two hours of your time. Totally. Yeah. If for nothing else watched on mute, like the story is, is not unique, right? If you've seen saving private Ryan, you've seen a story, but if you like a good story and you like adequate character development in the, in the journey with the character, cause you don't know shit about these people to begin with. And they don't do backstory. They don't do. any kind of building the character. You just see who this person is through their actions or who the characters are. Developed in real time. Yeah. And this real time development. And it's really good. And I'm sorry I waited three years to watch it. So that's my other thing. 1917.
Everett	Yeah. And I'll fully endorse that with you. I will not endorse the idea of watching it on mute. I think you should listen to this movie. That's a controversial opinion, but.
Andrew	Well, you know, and in fairness, I want like most of my talent, my hearing's really poor. So most of my media consumption, like digital media consumption on a screen is effectively on mute. What did you say? Yep. I read most of the. Yeah. Like it was, it was embarrassingly late that I learned that, um, I could turn on the English sound and subtitles. on Squid Game and that was what prompted me to watch it because I can watch it loud. Because hearing the Korean in it was really distracting. It made it hard for me to read. But now I've watched it and I'm excited for season two.
Everett	I've got another thing. Do me. Not a movie.
Andrew	Okay.
Everett	Not a podcast. Uh-oh. Rather, this is a thing that I should have bought many, many moons ago. And actually, practically speaking, I should have bought it at least 1290 moons ago. But I didn't. And so here we are in August. And I picked up three months.
Andrew	You know, moon is referred a month, right?
Everett	That's not a day.
Andrew	Is a moon a month?
Everett	Yeah. Oh, I was thinking like, every night is a moon.
Andrew	I think a moon is referential to a night or a month. I mean, not a night.
Everett	Well, we should keep it going because we've got a long road to hoe. I've told you about that, right? Road to hoe. I thought until I was like 25 that it was a long road to hoe. And then someone was like, no, it's you hoe rose, you fucking idiot. And I was like, oh, and then I was embarrassed.
Andrew	Anyway. See, my head went to like, it's, it's a, it's a long trek to the brothel.
Everett	So I bought a, um, uh, a smart sprinkler controller. So I've never had sprinklers and I really never had a yard that I cared about. So when we bought the new house, there was sprinklers pre-installed, but like with all sprinkler systems, it came with this really clunky sort of turn a switch and access this menu and try to figure out how to program your sprinkler. Terrible. Terrible. I at one point sorted it out and then I went back in to try to change it and I just couldn't. I was like, I don't have time for this. So for $60, $60, I bought a Wyze. Wyze, a company I've talked about before. I've got a Wyze scale. I've got Wyze cameras. I've got a Wyze doorbell. So Wyze, I've sort of bought into this Wyze ecosystem because They're affordable and well-made and well-reviewed products. So I got a Wyze smart home integrated sprinkler system and I installed this thing in about 15 minutes.
Andrew	And it overrides your current, like your water bird or whatever?
Everett	I removed the water bird. I took the wires from the inside of the water bird and put them in the corresponding places in the Wyze sprinkler I screwed the whole thing to the wall. I turned it on, opened up the app, and within total of about 25 minutes, I had programmed this thing ready to go. This thing comes with a year of Wyze's sort of smart sprinkler service. I haven't turned that on yet. I'm skeptical about how valuable that would be, but I may at some point. I've got a free year of it, so I may do it just for shits and giggles. I've just sort of programmed this thing on the schedule that I had before, but it took me 20 minutes to literally install this thing, wires and everything. And then another five minutes to get it set up and then to do a test run. And it's, it's so simple and so inexpensive and so easy to use that I am kicking myself for having not done this. Now, Some people don't have sprinklers. Some people don't want to use the water, blah, blah, blah. That's fine. You know, you don't have to do this, but if you have a sprinkler system at home and you have thought for a single second about getting an app controlled sprinkler controller, these things are expensive. They usually run between 200 and $300 depending on what brand you get or whatever. The wise one is 60 bucks. And it works so well. The app is great. It just works.
Andrew	So this is Wi-Fi connected. It says that it's smart watering. Will its interpretation of the weather forecast override the schedule?
Everett	I have all of the smart watering off. I just have it on a program schedule right now. So I'm missing out on some of the functionality of this because I'm kind of a control freak. But You can set these up to do smart watering cycles. And you know, I don't really know, maybe I should just do that. I think if you're like supremely lazy or you don't want to think about it, that would be a great option. For me, I know, I kind of know how I want it to water and you know, whatever. But yeah, it was super easy to connect, super easy to put on. And now it's just working. 30 minutes. I had, I opened the box with a box cutter. I got a screwdriver out.
Andrew	Does it battery or plug in?
Everett	It plugs in. Yeah. So it's got a big honk and AC adapter.
Andrew	Yeah. I might do that. Cause I can't figure out my schedule. My water bird.
Everett	That's where I was. Yeah. I had, yeah, I had a water bird and I was like, why is this so fucking hard?
Andrew	And it looks so not hard. There's a dial and a switch. And three buttons. How is this so hard? He's smarter than I am. Yeah. Yeah. Kids were playing in the front yard the other day and Sam's like, why did you turn the sprinklers on on them? I was like, fucking didn't. I'm not even in the garage. Yeah. Yeah. It's funny that it happened, but I wish I could take credit for it.
Everett	That is funny. Yeah. Yeah. So Wyze, W-Y-Z-E, sprinkler controller. Big thumbs up recommend from everyone. Now durability or whatever. I don't know. I assume there's not a lot going on here. So, you know, my concern is there'll be software issues along the way, driver issues or whatever. But for right now, it's working.
Andrew	It's also 60 bucks. And it's 60 bucks. You can buy four of them. You can buy direct from Wise, six bucks for a one year accident protection, 11 for two. Interesting. And then 16 for three.
Everett	And it's, it's, I mean, it's just been the simplest, most pleasant experience.
Andrew	But yeah. So for. $75. You have guaranteed three years of functionality.
Everett	And also, like I said, I've now got to scale my cameras, my doorbell. So everything I open up one app and I can do. You weigh yourself.
Andrew	See how fat I am. Look at pictures of yourself naked and spray your kids in the front yard.
Everett	Correct. All at the same time.
Andrew	What a day.
Everett	Andrew, how'd we do?
Andrew	We're at one oh two.
Everett	Yeah, it's pretty good.
Andrew	Yeah. Beats our 95 from last week.
Everett	I think 95 beats 102 objectively. But, um, anything you want to add before we go? I'm all out of things, man. Hey, you guys, here we are. We've done it again. Thank you for joining us for this episode of 40 and 20, the WatchClicker podcast. I'm wearing a new 40 and 20 shirt, by the way. You are.
Andrew	I have one too.
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