Episode 200 Special, with Brodinkee

Published on Wed, 24 Aug 2022 22:16:43 -0700

Synopsis

This podcast episode celebrates the 200th episode of the 40 and 20 The Watch Clicker podcast hosted by Andrew and Everett. They reflect on the history of the podcast from its beginnings in 2018, memorable episodes and guests, and how their knowledge and perspectives on watches have evolved over time. They are joined by special guest "Brodinky" who runs a popular watch meme account on Instagram. They discuss Brodinky's experience creating content, staying relatable, and the joys and challenges of podcasting and social media in the watch world. The hosts also share gratitude for their patrons who have supported the show over the years.

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Speaker
Andrew	Hello, fellow watch lovers, nerds. Oh, geez. 200 episodes and I was powered down. Hello, fellow watch lovers, nerds, enthusiasts, or however you identify. You're listening to 40 and 20 The Watch Clicker podcast with your host, Andrew and my good friend Everett. Here, we talk about watches, food, drinks, life, and other things we like. What just happened to me?
Everett	I think you're like the mom in Umbrella Academy. You're maybe just actually a robot, even though you're personable and loving.
Andrew	That was weird. That's never happened before.
Everett	Well, it happens to me about every third episode, so... Whoa!
Andrew	And we're keeping it because we got the beer crack. So... How are you doing, Andrew? Well, I thought I was doing pretty okay. Andrew, how are you doing? I don't know. I had a long weekend, right? I had two big social engagements over the course of a weekend, right? I had my dad's 70th birthday, which was really fun, but it meant that we had to drive to Portland.
Everett	I didn't even know your dad was the same age as me.
Andrew	He's the same age, right? It makes sense though. That's why we get along so well and have this, you know, father son relationship. And, um, but yeah, it was fun. It was just, there was a buck load of people there. I'm not, you know, a particularly big on social engagements and long drive. I do. Um, and then, So that was Sunday. And then yesterday I had a big work picnic. So about 15 of my coworkers and all of their families, we rented out a big gazebo at one of the BLM parks here, the Bureau of Land Management. And that's apparently not a commonly known thing in outside of the West Coast.
Everett	It was a Bureau of Land Management gazebo to be clear.
Andrew	Yeah, a Bureau of Land Management gazebo on federally owned public land. So we did that, which was again, another big social engagement with a bunch of people that I know and I work with and then all of their families. And then my two wild children who were tired from the previous day and now the current day. So just a little bit of a long weekend, but it's certainly fun. It sounds nice though. It was lovely. It was perfect weather yesterday for it. Cause it's in this really heavily timbered park and Sam was commenting on it on our drive in. So we leave the, the like rural highway, and go into the woods. And over the course of the mile drive back, it dropped 20 full degrees. So back in the park, it was like just a beautiful 75. That's awesome. Wonderful. Yes. It was great. Which is my speed. That's like, that's the peak of my comfortable temperature range. So it was good. Just a little worn out and excited to be doing this. Besides, I mean, apparently I'm very worn out because I short circuited But I have beer. We're drinking Kirkland. Costco beer. Let's do it. I've never had a Costco beer that I didn't like, though. This is fine. They're all perfectly palatable. It's fine. And you can buy it in bulk. Huge, yeah. Only in bulk.
Everett	So, Everett, how are you? Yeah, I know this is weird. I actually don't know what to do. I don't know how to go after you. I'm cool. Yeah. You know, sort of same old, same old. It's end of summer. Still, it's not hot as balls, but it's still warm. Yeah, it's gonna be hot tomorrow, which I love. So the days are getting a little bit shorter, sunsets are earlier, but it's still warm. You can do anything you want. If you walk too fast outside, you might get sweaty. I love it. I love this time of year. Pass. Well, pass. We are gonna talk about watches today. And not only are we gonna talk about watches today, we are going to celebrate... By the way, how did we get here?
Andrew	I don't know. It doesn't make sense.
Everett	We are celebrating the 200th episode of 40 and 20. And that's 200 actual Thursday episodes.
Andrew	That's not, that's not audio reviews.
Everett	Yeah. That's not the little special segments that we tried 200 flagship episodes of 40 and 20 to watch clicker podcast. Holy shit. We did it. And to help us celebrate, we have brought perhaps one of the most famous watch celebrities in social media today, call him a meme Lord, call him a podcast extraordinaire. Uh, we've, we've brought on bro. Dinky longtime listener of 40 and 20, a little known fact about bro. Dinky been listening almost since the very beginning. Uh, and, and he can tell us exactly when he started listening, but Brodenky, bro, brocephus. Welcome to 40 and 20 here to celebrate our 200th anniversary. How you doing?
Andrew	200th episode anniversary. We're not. That's right. Our 200th episode. Brodenky, how are you doing?
Brodinky	Hey, guys, a longtime listener, first time caller. You know, I realized there probably wasn't enough money to go around to have both me and Will on for this episode, so I really appreciate getting the nod tonight.
Andrew	Daddy's expensive. He charges by the minute.
Brodinky	Correct. Yes. Super glad to be here. This is actually my second Memorial Episode 200. Strangely enough.
Everett	And in the other was. I think the only other folks in the game with 200 episodes.
Andrew	Probably right. I think Scottish watches has 200. Oh yeah. Scottish watches probably has like 8 billion. Yeah. I think they're probably in the thousands. Yeah. Yeah. Those guys are machines.
Everett	Well, welcome, man. Welcome, man. You know, we, uh, so I've been listening to your show, the, the risk cheese podcast now for, I don't know, 30 episodes. Where do you guys at?
Brodinky	We're at, I think we just did 44.
Everett	Okay. 44 episodes. So going on a year, um, and, and I, you know, I can't remember, I think we talked after your first couple of episodes and I reached out and I was like, dude, this doesn't make this, this doesn't make any sense because when I think of the risk cheese podcast as hosted by bro Dinky, I expect it to be cynical snide, mean, hot takey, and it's none of those things. I think that you guys actually present one of the most relatable, rational, easy to listen to podcasts in the industry. And frankly, it's kind of disappointing.
Brodinky	Yeah, I gotta say it's a little bit of a rope-a-dope in that regard. It's tough because clearly I get to do all that stuff on my main page, my main feed, whatever you want to call it. So very few times do I get the opportunity to actually talk watches. It happened a lot where people would DM me and start talking to me and they'd be like, oh, you actually like this stuff? Like, I thought you were just a hater. Like, I thought you were just some dude poking fun at people he didn't like or, you know, a group of hobbyists. And I was like, no, man, I do this too. Like, I didn't know why it was such a surprise. Like I thought it was very inside baseball, but it's kind of a way to be able to talk watches, also throw the occasional snide comment or, you know, high fastball at someone. But for the most part, we try to keep it pretty relevant and sort of just make statements, like you said, from a relatable point of view that I think kind of goes sort of untold maybe. Yeah.
Everett	Yeah. Well, uh, just, I'll, I'll just shout it out for you and you can shout it out at any point too, but Risk Cheese Podcast, I think is one of the better, if not one of the best podcasts out there. You guys have a tremendous audience partially by way of your Instagram fame. Um, but I strongly recommend it to anybody who's at home and they want, I, I, I hate to sort of, uh, do the thing, but I think you guys kind of play a little bit like us. You're a couple of guys, you're both down to earth. Um, you, I think you guys both probably have a bit more industry, uh, knowledge, certainly your cohost. Um, comes with actual real industry knowledge. And so there is a bit of a delta there in terms of you guys are able to speak on this thing from an insider's aspect where I think oftentimes we're not. But I think the way their show reads and your takes on things tend to be kind of similar to ours, which is not to say we have the same opinions on stuff, but I think it plays very much the same. So if you like us, check out Rich Cheese. I think you'll like them. Schmidt, obviously not here tonight. He apparently was too busy. But we couldn't afford both. Yeah. Yeah. It gets expensive.
Brodinky	People who go by one name are very expensive.
Unknown	Madonna, Rihanna, Kira.
Everett	Well, so what we thought we'd do.
Unknown	Yeah.
Everett	What we thought we'd do for this 200th episode is we thought we would kind of time capsule what we've done, how we got here, where we started. So I'll just, I'll just, I'll just, break the ice quickly, October 31st, 2018. The first episode, the inaugural episode as it was titled of 40 and 20.
Andrew	Which was done almost entirely from like cue cards.
Everett	Yeah, it was. Yeah. I mean, Andrew, just as you sit here, what are your recollections of sort of prepping that first episode?
Andrew	It was months in the making, right? I mean, literally. Not just because of the technology and the software and all this, the shit that we didn't know. But we had all that time.
Everett	Because when we recorded, we didn't know what we didn't know.
Andrew	And it took us six months to get there. Right. Right. We buy shit. It didn't work. We tried shit. It didn't work. I mean, I was coming to your house for probably three months before we finally recorded and produced our first episode to record that first episode.
Everett	And the worst part is it's not that hard. It's not that hard. Knowing what I know now, we should have been able to do it.
Andrew	We, knowing what we know now, 200M, but that first, that first one of like, you know, just all of the things that you don't know. So getting that one was like this huge achievement and I haven't listened to it since it, like since the first time I listened to it, I've not gone back and re-listened to that first episode because I don't want to know.
Everett	I don't want to know. You know, I, I have listened to it. I listened to it relatively recently and I think, um, the most astonishing thing about that episode is when you start off it starts like it starts like this and then you come in and you say you know what you say same thing the same exact fucking thing that you've said A hundred and two hundred times now. Well, I had said it a hundred ninety nine hundred ninety nine times. Yeah, that's right. Because you fucked it up. And and you know, our outro. I mean, that that is part of what took us a long time is that we wanted to anchor portions of the episode. So other things, the episodes we record today are formatted exactly the same as that very first episode. And if you go back and listen, you wouldn't know besides the terrible recording quality. I mean, it sounds like we recorded it in a basketball gym.
Andrew	With a phone in our pocket.
Everett	Right. Besides that, it's the same. It's the same.
Andrew	We're the same. We're just comfortable being in front of a microphone. Having this lime green ball in my face is no longer intimidating. Yeah.
Unknown	Yeah.
Everett	Uh, what about you? Have you, what are my recollections?
Andrew	Well, I want to, I want to hear what the bro has actually. I'm intrigued.
Everett	Have you listened to that first episode?
Brodinky	I have. I went back just to check my Spotify. The earliest documented green check mark I have is episode 31. Okay. Okay. So that's somewhere in early 2019 is, is the first one I can confirm I listened to, but I've been with you guys since. And I've been with you since you picked up Will and you had Mike and all these other different guys and you got the website up and running and did all the photo work. So I've been here through all of it. I'm going to go back and look real quick. Just about as fun of a ride for me almost as it is for you.
Everett	Episode 31, Under the Radar Watches. That's an interesting one to have come in on. Do you know why you listened to that episode?
Brodinky	Like you said, I think it kind of speaks to things we both enjoy. I know I prefer to be kind of off the beaten path sometimes. And I don't generally go with the flock and chase what's hot. So if I can find watches that are under the radar, better for me, right? So I think that kind of resonated with me and my collecting style. And it's something I still try to do to this day. I mean, I try not to go too much with the trends. I'm not really into the hype watches. So, you know, it kind of makes sense, I guess, that I hopped in there.
Everett	Yeah. So what do we have here? Silver Watch Company, Boulevard Computron.
Andrew	A good speed.
Everett	A good speed. Uh, a Casio AMW. That's cool. Q Timex. You know, I think that these are, these are interesting picks. Um, yeah, it's always interesting to go back and look. So Andrew and I did an episode a couple of weeks ago where we sort of reviewed what's changed about our collecting tendencies and habits. And we, both of us separately used those early episodes as our source material. Like this is what I would have liked. then and this is what I would like now. And we both sort of remarked that we found ourselves looking at those early episodes, episode five, episode six, four years ago, thousands of dollars of watches ago. And it's like, yeah, I still fucking like that watch. I would still buy that watch today. Um, you know, interesting that our tastes haven't changed that much. I think our knowledge has, has grown in our refinement of taste though.
Andrew	I mean, how we, you know, things that we thought we might like, our miss because we now know we're like, Oh no, I've, I've worn 170,000 watches since I thought I might like this watch. And as a, as a matter of fact, I know I won't. And these are the reasons why.
Everett	Have you, do you, do you find the same thing? Have you found your tastes have, have matured or changed wildly since you got into that? Cause I think you got into this about the same time we did.
Brodinky	Yeah. I think I got in somewhere around 2015 or 16, which about the same for us.
Everett	Yeah.
Brodinky	So I have, I don't have a, this long encyclopedia of podcast episodes, but I've, I did some interviews early on for places like rescapement and such. And obviously they always ask, Oh, what's your grail watch? You know, what are you looking to pick up next? And I did go back and look at some of them. And I remember I saw a JLC Ultras, then Moon, which I still like. At the time I said, uh, explore to polar, which I actually went up getting eventually at the, you know, when you start out collecting, you're like, I'm never going to own a Rolex. Why would I ever do that? And then, you know, down the rabbit hole you go, but.
Andrew	And the, and the emotional turmoil of that price tag starts to like reduce and reduce and reduce. And suddenly you see a $6,000 Explorer and you're like, that's a good deal.
Everett	Do you still have your polar?
Brodinky	I do not. I actually moved it kind of recently, but, uh, I do not have it anymore. Wow.
Andrew	Yeah. That's a great watch, but you got the enjoyment out of it.
Brodinky	I did. I worked for a fair amount of time, enjoyed it thoroughly, uh, moved it for a pretty good reason. So all in all, not bad.
Everett	You know, I met with Andrew and I met with one of our good friends, a friend of the show, uh, former Eugene restaurant resident Xander formally what he was Pacific North watch.
Andrew	Now I think he's formerly Pacific North watch.
Everett	I think it's formally Pacific North watch. And now he's, I don't know, Arizona time or something like that. Uh, but, Andrew had said, we were drinking beers and Andrew said, you know, the problem with, he wants to get a five digit Explorer one. And he said, you know, the problem with the five digit is if you can find them for six grand, they come, you know, without the, you know, oftentimes without a bracelet, never boxing papers. And this week I sent him a five digit Explorer that popped up on Reddit for just under six grand. It was like the day after we met, box, papers, service, full meal deal.
Andrew	And I was like, here you go. And on my way out of cell phone service yesterday, I mentioned it to my wife and she's like, if it's still available when we get home, you should do it. And I was like, you, are you fucking kidding me right now? Are you kidding me? Cause I'm about to leave cell phone service for four hours. That thing is fucking sold right now. And it was sold when I got home. Yeah.
Everett	Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Uh, I think it would, I think it would be fun if you guys don't mind if we could kind of, starting back in time, maybe, maybe some sort of chronological effort here. Talk about some of our favorite moments of the show, because 200 episodes is a lot of source material. We're going to miss a lot of people. We're going to miss a lot of moments.
Andrew	Can you, can you do a timeline real quick? Can you just story arc us real quick? Cause you took the time to do it, but also I think that was a good choice.
Everett	Yeah. So, so interesting. I'll sort of broad brush this because I think there's some notable things that happened along the way. I won't go into too much details on these things, but episode one, as discussed, October 31st, 2018. That's the beginning of this beautiful project. We have, every week since then, published an episode of the podcast, without a single exception.
Andrew	Including when we both had COVID.
Everett	Including when we both had COVID and Will, the watch clicker, rescued us.
Andrew	Daddy got in and helped us.
Everett	So notable moments. Episode 14, we recorded from a different country. We recorded from Mexico. One of my favorite, one of my favorite episodes, we were in our, we had like a double room suite with a balcony.
Andrew	It was a patio. It wasn't elevated. It was a patio.
Everett	Sure, sure. First floor. Our wives in the background kind of walking around like you can sound of like tropical birds chirping that we had piped in because they weren't really there. You know, we're in TJ. Drink of margaritas. That was a really special episode. I think that's kind of what we both knew. Like, we're going to be consistent. We're going to do this. Here we are in Mexico on vacation. We're doing this. We're actually doing this. Episode 19, I think a 19 or although it's 19 or 17. Our very first interview, we interviewed one of our favorite brand owners, um, longtime friend of the show and, and just one of our favorite watch brands, uh, Eric of EMG watches. Uh, I think I'd reached out to Eric and said, Hey, would you be interested in coming on so we can talk? And he was like, hell yeah. I'm still a good friend of mine today. Uh, someone I talk about watches regularly, someone who helped has helped me in my, you know, outside of this and my own watchmaking endeavors. Uh, Eric, late summer of 2019, I was talking with Brad Holmes of worn and wound as we do, uh, just, just online and kind of talking about the show, you know, Brad, someone who's been in watches for a long time, kind of been in content creation. He's got this like wildly good Instagram page that just has billions and billions of followers. And I was like, you know, I don't know how to make our show better. We're making good content. We like it. I don't know how to make it better. And he was like, you know, you guys talk and it's good. But what I really like to hear is other people that kind of kicked off that conversation kind of kicked off really phase two of what we're doing here, which is it started a series of fantastic interviews pretty much right after that conversation. We had Darren Tiffany of DM Tiffany watches. Vero, we went up to Vero and met with Chris and Danny and their fantastic Portland shop. Art of Horology, Jeff Sexton of Elgin Time, still one of my, one of the most underrated interviews we've ever done on this show. Yeah, you know, we're, we're really quickly like, the next like 10 episodes, like eight of them are fantastic interviews. And we kind of owe that transition to Brad Holmes. He was really the guy who said, this is what you guys need to do. Episode 53, our one year anniversary episode, we introduce the objectively best watch rubric. And we didn't know it, that we were doing it at the time, but that is, so exactly one year in. That's funny that we did it at the one year. That is, That is kind of a major thing for our show and that happens at one year.
Andrew	It's a major thing for the watch industry. That's right.
Brodinky	Well, if I can be honest, I saw plenty of people were really on board with that rubric. Can we just say that, right? I think that was kind of a smash hit.
Andrew	It's scientific. It's objective. It's perfect.
Everett	You know, when I go back and when I go, I went back and I listened to most of that episode today and It's really interesting how even at the time, we were like very aware, like this is kind of ridiculous, right? There's nothing objective about this. We're trying to be objective, but at the end of the day, you can't be objective. So we're giving these watches scores and sometimes we're stuck with them, but you know, it was never intended to be a serious thing. And for us, it's never been a serious thing. Some people have taken it pretty seriously over the years, but I think it's a fun thing. I think it's kind of in some ways defined who we are, what we do, how seriously we take this, which is to say seriously enough to make this rubric and adhere to it religiously, and also not serious enough to think it means anything at all. Correct. Right. Episode 40, that's where we really decide to start the task of doing more intellectually stimulating stuff. Episode 40 is our Quartz Watch episode, which I think will go down as my favorite episode of 40 and 20. It's on my list. Of all time. Episode 69, we have Rescapement, Tony Trena on to talk about the Hamilton v. Vortec watch case. Probably the second of our most serious episodes with, I think, really good information. Tony Trena, formerly of the Rescapement, I should say, as he announced this week, he's the newest full-time writer Broding. Um, let's see here. I've got a bunch of, uh, fantastic. We can talk about these later, uh, but fantastic informational episodes. Uh, but really the biggest transition of our show happens episode 50. What episode is it? We have a guy named episode 79. life of a watch review with an up-and-coming website manager, Will the Watch Clicker Gillis. And at the beginning of that episode, as we started recording with Will, none of us had any clue.
Andrew	On your back porch.
Everett	On my back porch.
Andrew	That's right. It was in the early days of COVID. So we were recording outdoors.
Everett	And none of us had any clue at that time what would become of that interview. But I think by the end of the episode, you and I certainly independently, having not talked about it, had both sort of started thinking about it. Three days later, when I messaged Will on Instagram and said, Hey, I'd like to talk to you about something. And he says, I can't do it right now. Let's do it tonight. And when I called him and sort of said, Andrew and I were thinking, Maybe we should do something here. And he's like, I knew you were going to call. I knew you were going to ask that. And the answer is yes. And that began our merger. That was, that was the first step of our merger with watch clicker. Um, really in some ways I can say confidently, we wouldn't be here still doing this today if that hadn't happened. And correct. You know, we're so thankful that we'll wanted to join up with us and we hope he feels similarly.
Andrew	And he adopted us. He stuck with us. That's right.
Everett	It sucks. It sucks. And, and, you know, besides that, I mean, really that is the story arc. Obviously there's some, there's some memorable moments that have happened between now and then. Oh yeah. Um, but I think that that is really, that is really the story arc, you know, about around episode 170, we made another transition, maybe a lesser, a less obvious, less, uh, important transition. But when episode 170 is when we started doing the watches roundup, which prior to that, we had never done any current events on the show. And I think it was about that time we say, you know, we should start spiking the show with current events. So it doesn't have to be every week. Certainly it shouldn't be every week, but we should do dedicated current events. Here's what's happening in watches. Cause pretty much everybody else does it. And we don't have a chance to, we don't give ourselves a chance to really weigh in on the current events and watches.
Andrew	So yeah, it's a fun exercise and it's, it's a fun opportunity to talk about the things that we're, we're already doing anyway. It's an easy episode. Call them softballs. Softballs.
Everett	That's right. So within that, within that, do you guys have any favorite moments you'd like to talk about?
Andrew	I want to hear about the bro. I kind of want the outside. Like what, what has, what has intrigued you over the course of a now 170 plus episodes of listening?
Brodinky	Well, I'll be honest at first until, I got to an episode where the name was explained. I originally kind of thought 1420 was almost like the price range of watches you guys like to cover, but eventually it was obviously dimensions, 40 millimeter, 20 millimeter lug width. But I think for me, my favorite episodes that really got me hooked were the quote unquote poor man's episodes, poor man's big pilot, poor man's Daytona. I was like, okay, finally people who are collecting in the same socioeconomic group as me. Because you're starting out, you head over to Hodinkee, you're like, okay, entry level. Oh, Rolex Explorer. I don't think so.
Andrew	Excellent choice.
Brodinky	Turn right around and head back.
Everett	No more club campus for your high school graduate.
Brodinky	Exactly. So I was like, I don't know if this is exactly my ballpark. When I saw, okay, poor man's Daytona. Well, let me check this out. At least it'll give me some suggestions. And even if I just use it and go from there to find something similar that I like, that's a home run. So all of those episodes are really cool for me. Uh, I like a good analogy episode. So the, if beers were watches episode was one I really enjoyed.
Everett	You know, when Andrew pitched that, I was like, this doesn't make any fucking sense. Uh, And we did it. I think it's a great episode.
Andrew	I think I had COVID then too. I think I was a fucking, or maybe it was early COVID time. I don't remember. I just, I know I recorded it remotely, which was weird for us. Yeah. Yeah.
Brodinky	Yeah. Yeah. I sat there the whole time and I was just thinking, waiting for the, uh, way too hoppy, high, way too high alcohol by volume IPA for like the plow prof that nobody asked for type of thing. It's got all the things. Yeah, I think those are my favorite kind of episodes. GFY watch is obviously a hilarious topic. I immediately, when I saw that pop up in the little queue, the day it got released, I was like, slam this one because it's bound to be hilarious.
Everett	Yeah. And still to this day, people don't know what that means. The GFY watch, which I think for you.
Unknown	Yeah.
Everett	I think it's, I think it makes perfect. I see that. I know exactly what it is.
Andrew	I had a boss once that would respond to emails, GFY. And he said, you get to decide. I was like, Oh, that's a, Oh no. Like, Go fuck yourself or good for you. But at least you're leaving the decision up to me. Thanks. I'll sleep well tonight. Read the room. Yeah. And what's funny is like we do these episodes and we want to be fun and we want to enjoy ourselves. And, and the only review, the only iTunes review that has ever stuck with me was, it was like a one star review. It was very early on. It was, Something along the lines of not as funny as they think they are. And I was like, I don't think we're funny. Like we're not doing a comedy podcast. I don't understand. Like, I'm not, I don't get it.
Everett	But it's true. We're not. I know that. It's a true statement. Yeah. Yeah. At least for me, we're not as, I'm not as funny as I think I am.
Andrew	I know you're not.
Everett	Cause I'm fucking hilarious.
Andrew	I think. We love those fun episodes.
Brodinky	So we got the GFY. No, I think Andrew has a real slow delivery sometimes where he kind of crescendos a joke in there once in a while where it really just sticks. And I found myself laughing out loud a few times. I think you guys are funny.
Andrew	I'm the dad joke, slow burn guy. Yeah, that's right.
Everett	That's what I think. Yeah, that's right. You know, I still think to this day, and it's I think both my proudest and my least proud moment as a host of this show So we have on Justin of Manta and we're sitting in my, we've told the story so many times that if, you know, the longtime listeners will have heard it, you know, that's fine. We're sitting with Justin at the time. That was kind of a big interview for us, right?
Andrew	It's a big interview.
Everett	It's a big interview. So, you know, this is a serious brand owner from a serious watch company. That's out of our league. Out of our league.
Brodinky	And they were red hot at that point.
Everett	Yeah, that's right. And you know, for, but we're, we're just kind of who we are, right? We're, we're, we're who we are. And we're sitting in my guest bedroom at the old house and, and looking out this, looking out this window, which looks like, I mean, there's like four feet past the window. There's a fence and all you can see is the fence. And you can see just the top of it, a little bit of light on the top. And these, these squirrels, I lived, I lived in the, in, in, uh, a scene from Bambi, that old house, like, literally like at any given time, there'd be three deer in the yards and rabbits and urban forest. It was an urban forest. And, um, these two squirrels hit the fence, top of the fence and start going at it. I mean, just like seven feet away from noises and all. And Andrew says, man, the squirrels are going at it. And I don't think we've ever laughed so hard on the show. We've left pretty hard on the show before, but we both, neither one of us could talk. And poor Justin is laughing. He can't see it obviously, but he's like kind of like laughing along with us, you know, not being able to see it. And, uh, we published that episode and that was in sort of the period of time where we were trying to decide how much to edit the shows. You know, we had done both at that point. We had done shows where we edited every, um, and ah, and you know, we're really sort of careful about truncating silences. And, and that show was at the point where I had, kind of, I was working on a philosophy of more like gentle editing, right? Edit major problems and pretty much leave everything else in. And I hadn't made a timestamp of this thing because it wasn't a typical thing that I had timestamped. So there was nothing in my notes. And so, you know, I just left it in because what, you know, I am a, I'm not sure if unified timestamp that I would have taken it out, but we got a couple of comments after that episode. It's like, you guys most professional podcast in the business. You leave the squirrel fucking in. Um, you know, I don't, I don't regret it. And, uh, yeah, I've never had as much fun as that recording the podcast.
Andrew	That was, that was hysterical. Yeah. Uh, you know, the only other time, and I want, I think one of my favorite episodes was number 14, Mexico. Cause I had, I did have as much fun recording the Mexico podcast on whole as watching squirrels fuck and talk about it during a serious interview. But it's because that was a huge commitment point for us to decide to not only bring the gear to Mexico, but also to record in Mexico. And I think that was the one that was like, this is this, we're not going to experience the pod fade, right? The thing that we were kind of scared of, because this is episode 14, right? We're talking about the pod fade being in the sub 50 episodes. You know, you miss a week, you miss three weeks, you miss 10 weeks, and then you're gone. Like you just lose the motivation and bringing our gear to Mexico and recording on the patio, drinking beers. I don't think I was even wearing shoes. I was just in swim shorts. Probably. Yeah. Uh, that, that was one of the highlights of this for me.
Everett	It really was. I mean, you, you said it right. That really was the episode where it was like, we're going to do this. We're we're, we've got, we've got the tools we need. All we need to do is show up.
Andrew	Yeah. And just bullshit and talk about watches. And, and like do the thing that we would be doing anyway.
Everett	And that's a real for better or worse, right? For you at home for better or worse. Here we are once again, Thursday morning in your ears.
Andrew	And, and you know, for us Tuesday night in my office and the bro and his bitch in basement. In the dungeon. I don't know if you can call it a dungeon if it has a bar. True.
Everett	Speak easy. Yeah. I see a bottle of Weller Special Reserve. What else you got up there?
Brodinky	I got some Glenlivet, Mictors, Sazerac Rai.
Everett	Is that Monkey Shoulder? Oh, no, that's Mictors. Yeah. Yeah. That's what I'm looking at.
Andrew	I can't believe your bottle of Weller's lasted you that long. That's like a week long survival period in my house.
Brodinky	Yeah. I got to say it did go pretty quick. I've been savoring the last little bit for, I guess, a special occasion. Nursing it? Yeah, very much so.
Andrew	So Ev, other favorite episodes?
Everett	Yeah. You know, my favorite episodes. So one of the things that I love is as far as making the show, you know, the, the fun episodes, the laughs are good. Three watches for $600, three more watches part, part tray, part six, I think is what we, the last one we have. And I think we snuck like a couple of like $200 watch it episodes in there too, which kind of don't seem like they're the same thing, but they really are. Um, I think that those episodes are a blast. They're digestible. They're fun. They really speak to the spirit of what we're doing as well as the poor man's episodes, right? Those kind of started later. Um, but that really in many ways defined how we approach watches, how we approach this, this show. Um, my favorite episodes though, quartz watches, Jesus, that is, you know, I think both of us learned so much. talking about quartz watches, you know, because we have to be prepared. And so then we watch hours of YouTube videos. And then it's like, I fucking know, like the, the, the stair steps and that, that episode still to this day, my favorite episode, I learned so much. I have so much more appreciation for quartz as a technology. Um, and I think it's just a classic episode to, um, Sapphire crystals.
Andrew	I love that episode.
Everett	That doesn't sound interesting. Holy shit. It was interesting. ISO watch standards. I think to this day, we're probably the only podcast that's ever talked about ISO watch standards. And it's a cool, it's a cool topic.
Andrew	Um, or maybe also the only podcast that's ever worked on three dimensional, like, like impact physics problems to try to discuss it with respect to a
Brodinky	to have all that it has packed into that thing at the price it comes in at the time it was made is still like a miracle.
Everett	You know, it's an engineering masterpiece. That tech today is still that tech today is also usable. The, the, the bayonet, the bayonet case back. I still think that there's a place for bayonet case backs and watches. I know, I know it's not something we see very often, but that's such a wonderful design in that Vita. What is that? Viton? the big flat gasket that they used to create the water resistance. Um, 5100 V or 7750 V 5100 just, you know, that episode seemed so obvious to me and I think I'd been trying to sell you on it for a while when we finally did it.
Andrew	We needed it like a period where we could actually work it. That's right. Cause that's a, that's a big thing. That's a heavy lift.
Everett	Yeah. One of our least listened to episodes, actually the next two, the next two that I have on this list, Probably amongst my favorites and both of them the least, like some of the least listened to episodes. So if you haven't listened to these, go back. Episode 129. What is time?
Andrew	Oh yeah. We talked about time travel and shit.
Everett	Loved, loved, loved that episode. Uh, is it good? I don't know. It was a philosophy episode. It was awesome. Episode 153. Hook, Huygens and the Hairspring.
Andrew	Um, man, the title was probably what did us in. And I know Will hates the title.
Everett	Nobody listened to that episode. It was like, nobody commented.
Andrew	Nobody even downloaded. It's like they, it's like they removed their subscription for the week.
Everett	Sorry. If you haven't, if you're listening to this now and you haven't listened to it, golly, that is one of my favorite apps is the favorite thing I've ever, my favorite thing I've ever learned about watches. I loved that episode. And then Everest watches every episode. The watches of Everest, the watch question mark is Everest. Yeah. Those are my favorite moments.
Andrew	Uh, I want to add one more and it, well, actually two more, our field trip to Vero. It wasn't our first interview, but it was our first, like, it felt like the first big thing that we were doing and it was episode 45. So we're near on a year of doing this.
Everett	Nayan,
Andrew	And they're like, yeah, come to the workshop. Like come do come up and see us. We're like, what? Like we're, we're invited. And we go to this workshop and they just, they treat us immediately like family. Like we're welcome there. It was so cool. Yeah. Like I like had like a, just this weird ego boost where I was like, we're a big deal. We're not a big deal. I even knew in that moment that we were not a big deal, but that we had just enough. credibility and just enough ass to be invited to the party. I was like, this is, this is big.
Everett	And then, you know, and that was right after we had purchased our, our mixing board, our recording board, right after we had purchased our microphones. So we showed up, we had a briefcase and it had a fucking recording studio in it. I'm setting up wires, takes about 15 minutes. We sit around the table with four professional grade microphones and a mixing board and live produced a show. And it felt like, man,
Andrew	With a dog in a hammock.
Everett	With a dog in a hammock. It was like, this is cool. Like we, we're podcasters and, and this doesn't even feel embarrassing, right? We show up at this, you know, we're surrounded by four and five axis CNC machines. And these guys who are too smart for their own good, uh, maybe, maybe actually literally.
Andrew	And some stuff they're like, you can't photograph that.
Everett	I'm like, what? That's right. I mean, it was like, all right, we can do this.
Andrew	And then my last episode specific that I want to talk is Reach Watches. And it's very much the then and now feel of like how far we've come. What episode was that? Three.
Everett	On this list. Do we have shoutouts? Oh, you've got them in front of you.
Andrew	Foibos, PX002B, Estrella Cosmos, Shinola Runwell, ASTOVA Marine Classic, Anomos Club Campus, a Manta Triumph and an Orion Calamity.
Everett	I mean, there's some great watches there.
Andrew	We talked about some of these. Yeah. But that's like our, that was where we were. And just thinking about not just doing the show. Cause when we started the show, we were watching people. Right. But in, in the, in efforting episodes and in talking to people and in diving like headlong into this, the transformation that has come about has been super cool. And that's been a really fun part of this experience for me. Because I probably wouldn't buy a run well anymore.
Everett	I wouldn't. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
Andrew	I'm sure that was one of your picks. Yeah. It was one of my picks. I still really like that watch, but I wouldn't buy that watch. Yeah. Not for what it costs.
Everett	Maybe used. Bro's going to buy a run well right now based on how you inspired him.
Andrew	Yeah. Dude. Yeah. Like what a huge change. Just from knowledge. Like the courts episode alone would change your mind from buying a Shinola Runwell. Yeah, maybe. I think. Yeah. There's so much there.
Everett	Bro, uh, so you have now, uh, passed the 30,000 threshold, uh, on Instagram, 30,000 followers. This happened pretty recently. Correct. Uh, which congratulations. That's a fantastic mark. You're someone who's keenly familiar with watches. You're someone who's keenly familiar with the kind of bizarro world that is watch social media. And you're keenly familiar with what we, I think for lack of a better term, refer to as content creation in this space. There are some pretty discreet, um, not to navel gaze too much, right? Cause that's not the intent here, but there are some pretty discreet differences between the way, uh, Normie as, as Andrew likes to refer to in business.
Unknown	Yeah. Yeah.
Everett	Yeah. Um, there's a, there's some fairly discreet differences between the way Normies, the way, uh, social media people, content creators, and the way enthusiasts interact with watches. Uh, do you have any, let's say advice for us or other people making content and how to remain, uh, grounded, how to, how to not, um, forget that at some points you're just a normal person. All of us are normal people, probably in, in some parts of our life. How do we keep that? and keep that central in whatever it is we're doing, whether it's posting on Instagram, buying watches, creating podcasts.
Brodinky	Well, I think this will resonate with you guys, because like you said, there was a point where you said where we might not be a household name, but we're, we're somebody now, right? We, we're not nobody. And I think a lot of people hit that point. And it can go to your head pretty quick. But I think you guys have it pretty right in the fact that you're, you're both pretty grounded, you know, you're not, it hasn't gone up to your head too much, you know, you can make a joke at yourself and laugh at your own expense. And I think that's important. It's something that's always been kind of central to my account. And I think that's why it's always been a little bit relatable for people. I think this hobby goes to a lot of people's heads, obviously, there's a lot of money involved in it. And there's a lot of status. And now more than ever, is there more exclusivity as far as collecting those pieces? Just the ability to get those things in your hands now are big deals. I mean, there's some people who have tons of followers just because they can get a pan of Daytona in their hand and show it on Instagram. People are like, oh, let's let's follow this person. They clearly have connections.
Andrew	You know, he knows a guy who has one.
Everett	If you own a single Nautilus, you can have 10,000 Instagram followers tomorrow.
Brodinky	Exactly.
Andrew	And if you can put two on your wrist at once, we're talking to Instagram fame.
Brodinky	And so I think it's easy to get carried away in this hobby. I think it goes to a lot of people's heads. I think there are some people who have that chip on their shoulder that they might be better than other people just because they own material possessions. I think it's a good idea to often step back and realize that they are just material possessions as much as we love them. And we spend a lot of time thinking and discussing them. At the end of the day, this is just a passion, just like anything in life. And if you're not prepared to sometimes have a good laugh at it, and sometimes kind of just look at it from a funny perspective, that it's a little ridiculous at times. It is, right? We have funny tropes that go on. We participate in these silly things, right? How many people did the Catlin pose, right, when that was a big thing? We all chipped in, right? It's just like a fun thing we all do, but at the same time, it's ridiculous. we accept it, we own it. And that's kind of what makes us a community. Yeah. You know, and in any community, there's always going to be a couple bad apples. But I think for the most part, people are pretty cool, and pretty receptive to folks like myself, like yourselves, who are just out here trying to keep it honest and put out content from a, I don't know what you want to call it a rogue perspective. I mean, I know I'm not connected. I mean, as I guess, as popular, quote, unquote, as I am, I don't have any industry connections. I mean, Schmidt has friends in the industry, but even him, I mean, I only met him in the past year. So it's not like I've had some jeweler connections or some high friends at some blog or something. I think people just enjoy a fresh perspective from a normie once in a while, because at the end of the day, probably 99% of those people in the hobby are normies. So I think relatable goes a long way.
Everett	Yeah. You know, when we started this, when we started this, um, that was really the intent of the show. You know, this, this show was born out of a desire to create content, right? For people who, who go to Hodinkee and they're like, this doesn't make any goddamn sense. Nobody buys these fucking watches. Like this is 90% of watch media is focused on 5% of the prospective buyers, not even the actual buyers, the prospective buyers.
Andrew	And it's so focused on what the next thing I can, I bring this person in, And now we know we're going to have an online store or we're going to have access to these things and that things. And watches is such a weird media industry, right? And media was a really heavy air quotes because so much of watch media is free marketing for watch companies. And with the goal of like, oh, we're going to become an NAD or we're going to have a store. And it's not to besmirch anyone. If we could make Hodinkee money, we would be making Hodinkee money. That's exactly what we'd be doing. We got into the game too late. We got into the game too uninformed. It's just also not a goal of ours. We will never have a watch store available on WatchClicker. I'm sorry, Will, but I've made that commitment now. It's also just not a goal of ours. Yeah. Well, you know, we just want to, we just want to talk about watches.
Everett	We have on three separate occasion, uh, three separate occasions, uh, rejected offers from, from, or at least ideas that would have at least led to the possibility of lucrative, uh, or, or income even, uh, bases for the show. And, and we've done so on each occasion, for the sole reason that the sacrifice in terms of our ability to make the content that we thought would be relatable to people versus the income generation benefits didn't match up. And it's not the right decision. It's not good. It's not bad. It was just a decision we made. We are ostensibly a free podcast. 95, 99% of the people, 99.5% of the people who listen to this show, we're a free podcast. And that's okay. That's our goal. That's what we want to do. And more so, occasionally we'll have, this show was brought to you by, you know, we'll do a short run of, you know, we were sponsored by, our episodes were sponsored by Notice for a while. We did a collaboration with Think Mankey recently, you know, brands that we love, Owners that we love. Yeah, I see that. Bro wearing a Nick Mankey strap. Yeah, boy. You know, these, these types of things are small intrusions to the show. But by and large, we're not encumbered by products we need to we need to sell. We're not encumbered by commitments to brands, we can generally say what we want, we can have an owner on the show one week and say mean things about his watch the next. Uh, which we've done, right? In fact, sometimes we've said mean things about a watch to the owner and they usually laugh and chuckle and we talk about it. So that it's that type of thing that the decision we've made, not, not altruistically, uh, because there's no altruism here, but just because we love doing this and we love doing it this way and we wouldn't want to do it any other way.
Unknown	No.
Everett	And I think you're kind of the same, bro. I mean, it, I think that your content is, Well, your Brodinky content is obviously almost transcended, you know, you.
Andrew	Not getting sponsorships, I imagine. Correct.
Everett	You know, it's, it occurs to me, um, and, and maybe, and maybe other, uh, attorneys that, that listen or that, that review your content, that there's an IP problem with your content, right. With, with Brodinky and, and, you know, credit given to Hodinkee. Well, maybe, maybe, maybe there has been something that we don't know about, but I think everybody kind of appreciates it, right? Everybody kind of likes that you're taking the piss. And, um, even Hodinkee is like, yeah, it's probably isn't bad for us and fuck it. It's actually good for us. Right. Um, and, and there is this community, right? There's this community and Hodinkee is part of the community and we're a part of the community. You're a part of the community. Uh, you know, these brands are all there. It it's a cool place to be, and it's really neat to be part of the place and part of the community without having to worry about making money or selling things.
Brodinky	Yeah, definitely some pressures alleviated there. I mean, I will do the occasional recommendation or something, but those are personal recommendations from experiences of my own. Like those are either watches or items that I. I've experienced that. I'm like, I wish I found this sooner. So I would like to get this in people's hands. There is no, you know, I'm not getting anything. I'm not on the take. I don't, I don't get sponsored by anybody for posts. Um, I thought about maybe hitting some people up for like hush money once in a while, like being like, I'll stop dogging your brand out if you guys pay me to shut up.
Andrew	There's money there.
Brodinky	But, uh, but I think you're right. I think. If Hodinkee wanted me gone, I think I would have been squashed a long time ago. And I think they kind of both appreciate sort of the tongue-in-cheek approach and the satire. And I think at some point I kind of realized that and not that I dialed it back, but at some point I stopped trying to make things, I guess, personal. If you see a lot of, there are a lot of I guess smaller meme accounts out there and you'll see they get they get a little hot and heavy with the personal attacks. Yeah, it gets a little strange at times you're like, the level of measured intent isn't always right. Yeah, right. You know, if you want to do something funny, steal this look and it's a guy with a turtleneck and a cardigan. Okay, that's funny. But if you start going after like people's families and stuff like I've had DMS from people talking about intimate details of people's lives. I'm like, I want no part of this.
Everett	Like you should use this to go after this person.
Brodinky	Yeah. Like you, here you go run with this. I'm like, no, not now. Not ever. Like, yeah, this is a great way to get canceled. I'm not TMZ. Yeah. And what do I have to gain by doing this? Nothing. The best I can do is come out looking like a jerk. So at least more of a jerk than I am, but it's the charm of the jerk.
Andrew	It's like that. It's that asshole friend who everyone likes. And everyone's like, I got to get one from him occasionally. I don't feel like I deserve it, but I clearly do. And everyone takes their turn.
Brodinky	Right. I like to give myself the roast once in a while. And, you know, I listen to a lot of pretty famous comedians who have podcasts and things, and they all say the same thing. Comedy is about toeing the line of appropriate and inappropriate. It's not about going over. It's not about playing it safe. You have to be funny. You have to get as close to the line as possible without going over. is basically it. And I agree with that. I think that's exactly what it is. So I think as long as you can play within the rules and still have some fun, I think people appreciate that. And at the end of the day, you just remain genuine. And that's what it is.
Everett	The most classic comedy of all time. You know, I always think of Richard Pryor, you know, his, his eighties, you know, post sort of catching himself on fire comedy routines is like some of the best comedy ever created because he's, he's taken the piss on himself. Right. Uh, he's, he's being funny in a way that is offensive, but, but relatably offensive. Right. And, and I think that it's, it's hard, it's hard to do that often. And, and for my part, not, not to sort of blow smoke up your ass, but I think you've done that really well. And I think that's, you know, lend your success to that. So, um, just, you know, just, I think it would be fair at this point because we've got you on the show. Um, what are your favorite memes or your favorite meme related content related to podcast creation? Yeah, it's a little bit of tough, uh, put you on the spot like this, but I think it's just poking fun at all the common tropes.
Brodinky	I think a lot of us have the same ish type of episodes. I think everybody does. X amount of watches, collections, episodes under X amount of dollars and, and all that. Um, there's just a lot of funny little things. You know, everybody has their own little shtick, you know, everybody, I don't want to say everybody tries to be edgy, but there's certainly a, an air of, Oh, we're going to be the edgy people.
Andrew	And then it, the outsiders and already outsider group.
Brodinky	Right. And our, our, ourselves included in that. And, you know, we, I, tried to mix that up. Like I didn't want to be solely like just like the spicy podcast or something like that. That seems like it's going in the exact direction that I was talking about with the internet humor. Like if you're always trying to take it to the next level, eventually you're just going to keep having to outdo yourself and you're going to end up in a place you don't want to be. You become jackass. Yeah. Right. You have a skateboard guillotine. Off the reservation. Exactly. So I think it's all the usual tropes and like the funny little tidbits that we all do is kind of what's funny about podcasters. Um, I see a lot of podcast memes about, Oh, like lukewarm takes and stuff. And like, yeah, I get it. It's funny. But like at the same time, you put out a weekly episode, you have to come up with a weekly content. Sounds easier than it is. Right. I think everybody who's done a podcast can relate to that.
Everett	So, well, so that's, that's kind of my next question, the followup to that. So episode 45 now, um, is this different than you thought it would be? What's been your experience making a podcast now for going on a year? Is it, is it, is it harder to do the type of podcast that you thought you were going to do than you thought?
Brodinky	A little bit. I think it transformed a lot. I think in the beginning it was a lot, it was exactly kind of how you mentioned it. Like in the beginning, we came out a little bit guns a blazing, but like I said, that's not exactly me. It's a little bit of me, but it's not exactly me. And at the end of the day, I do genuinely like to talk topics and watches and have fun. So like, It couldn't be guns a blazing all the time. And I think it took a few people by surprise, but it's funny how much listening to you guys, I think probably every podcaster kind of experiences the same journey. Like it's the same thing. It's, it's making sure you drop every week. And there've been weeks where Schmidt's been traveling. I've either had to call in a guest or a friend or what have you. Um, You know, like you said, editing in the beginning, I was editing so much, every little breath, every extended pause I was cutting out. And I was sitting there, I was probably editing two hours for every hour of content. I was like, this, this cannot be right. At the same time, you do just naturally get better being more comfortable behind a microphone. So you're, you, I guess, naturally take that stuff out. But it was a little exhausting at first. I was like, I can't believe this is this is the level that you have to put into it.
Everett	Is this what this is?
Brodinky	I also think after a while you just stop giving a shit because it's almost a better natural flow. You feel like it's an actual conversation as opposed to a choppy call and response type deal. It's funny listening to you guys go back and forth just now because I'm like, yeah, that's me. Yeah, that's me. Hitting episode 45, you and I have talked about this before. Sometimes you're stewing on topic ideas for a week. It's day of and you still have not nailed one down. And you're early in the day and you're texting each other. What do you want to do? I don't know. What do you want to do? What about this? I don't know. What if we did this? Like it's a little bit crazy at times. You're like, we're really going to go into this kind of flying blind. All right, I guess so. But I guess that's also what happens when you have careers and families and this is not your job. I mean, I think this would be super fun if it was a job because then you could spend your whole time just, I guess, brainstorming content creation. Can you imagine?
Everett	That is the fucking dream.
Andrew	Isn't it? Oh my gosh. I'd go crazy.
Everett	Fuck you, Tony Trena.
Brodinky	But, but yeah, it's, it's, it's almost an exact mirror of what you guys were talking about. And you know, 45 episodes in, I think we're still, we still feel pretty confident about it. Like this is what we want to do. We're having fun. And I think that's always something we drove home was that if it's not fun, we'll just, call it quits. Because I think at the end of the day, if it's not, again, we're not making money off it. We're not trying to get picked up by a brand. What are we really doing if we're not having fun?
Andrew	It's okay if it's not fun for a little while. There will be times, there'll be weeks, maybe a 10 episode streak where it's not fun. You do it because you committed to it. Push through it. It's worth it.
Everett	You know, uh, so episode 200, I think it's fair to, to make admissions of that sort. You know, there've been times where I think probably both Andrew and I have sort of wondered, is this, is this the time? Like, do we, do we call it? And we didn't keep going because it was important that we, we kept going. We kept going. Cause I think at some point we realized that this is like one of the most important things in our life. Um, it not because of what we're creating, but because of the relationship that we have with each other and the relationship that we have with our listeners. You know, I have some of my best friends in the world are people that I've never met in person. Um, you know, people that I talk to all the time, you know, and some of them I've, I've had the, the, the great honor of meeting in person now, many of them, in fact, um, but, but others I haven't yet. And it's really, um, The idea of not doing this anymore and letting those relationships go and letting this thing that I love go has always been an obvious transition point to that conversation, right? It's like, no, no, we'll just keep doing it. It's weird right now. We'll figure it out.
Andrew	We'll figure it out because we'll have people like, you know, we've had 60 interviews in the 200 episodes. 60. Not unique, right? There's some repeats. But if we stopped doing this, we wouldn't get to meet people like Nick Mankey, right? We've never met Nick in person, but we've interacted with Nick a lot. Mike France.
Everett	He's a friend, right? Nick Mankey's a friend.
Andrew	Like Mike France. That, that is, that's a big deal. When we, when we had Mike on for the first time and I'm comfortable calling him Mike. Yeah. When we had him for the first time, I was like, this isn't real. We've somebody, fuck something up that got us here. And then they came back, right?
Everett	He came back. You know, Mike France had his assistant email me when I went to San Francisco to say, Hey, Mike is wondering if you want to get coffee on Thursday morning. And then I did that. I fucking went to coffee with Mike France and not to record anything or to sell anything. Like I just went to coffee with Mike France, right?
Andrew	We're not friends with the guys from notice. We don't get to have this amazing conversation with Mike Pearson. And I, I've already told my wife that I have fallen in love and with Mike Pearson.
Everett	Yeah. Yeah. You guys can't, you guys can't make babies because they would be see-through either.
Andrew	Oh, fully transparent. The only way you could spot them would be the ginger, the ginger top, right? Like Brett Williams, Brett Williams has an IMDP page. And that guy's friends with us. Yeah. Like that's what keeps you coming back is like these awesome relationships that you build. And there's going to be some shitty times. There's going to be 10, 15 episodes streaks where you're like, I hate watches today. I hate everything about watches. I, you're going to need to pay me money to even think about them today, but I'm going to fucking do it because it's worth it for all the other things. It's just like any other endeavor that you take on. There are shitty days and the good days make it worth it.
Everett	Well, with that, I think it's a reasonable time for us to transition. We're well over an hour, well over our allotted time. Yeah. Um, so we do have another full segment of the show, otherwise known as other things. Before we get to that, Andrew, is there anything that you want to add on this 200th occasion to add something before other things?
Brodinky	Nope, bro. If I can touch kind of just on what you're talking about, Andrew, I'll parallel that to my own account, right? I've been, dropping almost daily memes, sometimes multiple in a day for four-ish years. That's a lot of meme farming. I can't think how many times I've rewritten one just to try to make it clearer for the sake of humor, to be able to read it more clearly and to process it quicker so it's funnier. It takes More effort than you would think. I'm not going to say it takes a ton of effort. I'm just sort of a warped individual in that way.
Andrew	No, that's a lot of effort. Don't take anything away from yourself. That's a bucket load of effort. I hate Instagram. Yeah. And you live on it.
Brodinky	Now, I don't want to use the term, I'm going to use this term very loosely. I'm going to use the term sort of legacy here, and I'm not going to say it's a legacy, but in the same realm of you guys having a podcast with 200 episodes and you're saying, you know, we don't always love it, but we come back to it because we can't really think of ourselves without it. It's the same exact thing for my account. And I get it as a podcaster now as well. I know people who have extremely successful careers and have built up tremendous wealth and things, but at the end of the day, they look back and they're like, what, what have I accomplished? And at the end of the day, it's, it's not much or not. I don't want to say not much, but just there's very little to say, hang their hat on in the terms of, a passion project, or something that they really put their focus into, as opposed to just working and accumulating money. What have I created? What have I left? Right. And so I think my wife has finally come around to that as an idea. When every once in a while, I'll give her an update, hey, I just got a follow from somebody on the New England Patriots, you know, or something like that, that actually happened. So, you know, she's like, wait, what? Like, it's it's starting to maybe sink in with her that she's like this. Maybe this is a little more than just like my husband goofing off on the internet.
Andrew	There could be worse things you could be goofing off with on the internet.
Brodinky	Oh, a hundred percent. And that was always my joke to her. I'm like, look, there are way worse things on the internet for me to be doing. I understand this could be a little costly at times, but trust me, I'm in, I'm in a pretty friendly pool here. Yeah. Yeah.
Unknown	Yeah.
Andrew	You don't have to sell pictures of your feet, which you could do. And I understand that's lucrative from what I hear.
Brodinky	Yeah. Yeah. But just to your point, it is interesting every once in a while to take a look back and say to yourself, you know, I didn't do bad. Yeah, right.
Everett	Well, pretty cool. I'll say Brodinky, I think everybody knows what Brodinky is. Many, many, many, many, many more people are following Brodinky than follow us. You are truly a legend. I'm so honored to have you here. Um, you know, you've got followers from literal Titans of this industry. Um, you, you are in the conversation in a way that I can't even imagine. And it's, it's been a real honor. I, um, there's a thing that happens when someone invents something ridiculously simple, or when someone creates content that's ridiculously simple, where. folks and say, well, that is not even that hard. Anyone could have done that, but, but no one did. You did it. Right. So, and, and, you know, I, I don't think we, we really have this, this, the same thing here with our show, um, beyond just showing up every week. Uh, but there, there is that thing, right? It's, it's the one who actually does it, that is, is the one that gets the praise. And, and I would say with Brodniki, it's totally deserved. Thanks for joining us and thanks for talking about this.
Brodinky	Way to go. That's insane. That was probably the nicest thing anybody's ever said to me, so I could probably just hang it up now and call it a day.
Andrew	You'll see, you'll throw dinky with this user no longer available tomorrow.
Everett	Before we move on to other things, I do want to take a minute here and say something important because while we don't receive our income or any income from this show, we are incredibly humbled and honored to Um, here almost four years in 200 episodes in to be completely self-sustaining. We are at this point, we pay for all of our hosting. We pay for all of our hardware, all of our software by way of support from patrons. So we have run a number of, uh, a number of, um, you know, collaborations at this point and sponsorships, but all of our support comes from patrons. And I want to take a minute. We've never done this on the show. We've never published these names. I just want to take a minute to go through all of our patrons and thank you guys personally in no particular order. Our current patrons, KP Jimmy, MGM Mays, AJ Barsay, Skip Rose, Tom Surtodden, Aggressive timing habits. Joe Frost, Captain Sano, Evan Caspar, Clay Foster, two Brookwatch snobs, Blaine Townsend, Brian Shiffner, Andrew Winterstein, B. Dizzle, Mike Dunford, Howie Keery, Field Davis, Brian Bullard, Sporkboy, Jeremy Branch, Debbie, love you, Debbie, Josh Greenberg, Luke Albert, Jonathan Ferrer, Mike Choi, Matthew Kessler-Cleary, Bill Rose, Andrew Benzer, Chillin' with Watches, Don Rogan, Luke Kilroy, Elena Diaz, Jason Kyle, Simon Shaw, EA8, Roman Harrell, Richard Reichbach, Russell Smith, Howie Broyles, Martin Ferrer, Anthony Homchenko, Noah Kling, and Jacob Tubalt-Spiker. You guys. You guys have made it possible. Have made it possible. We thank you so much. Hit the cheer button. We love you. I don't know which one it is. We really thank you guys. You can listen to this episode and never give us a dollar. And that's totally fine. We're here for you. But for those of you who do give a dollar every month or more. We really appreciate you.
Andrew	And you've made it possible. So you all should thank those folks, too, because they're the reason we've been able to do this. And you all, honestly, because if there was just 20 listeners, we we probably wouldn't.
Everett	Be doing it anymore, but it's a collective effort for the 200th time, Andrew. Other things.
Andrew	What do you got? I got another thing to let my phone load. So everyone has like things that they're like, ah, I get that, but is it really worth the money? I have this thing that does the thing and it's just fine. So I finally spent the money and got a expensive cooler.
Everett	Oh, I've been in, I've been, I've been in this mindset recently.
Andrew	Yeah. So I, I, I spent the, I did the research, right, and I was pretty comfortable with Cabela's brand because Cabela's still is molded as opposed to injected like Yeti and there's a couple other brands that still do molded in lieu of injected. But, you know, as we've talked about before. Between Cabela's and REI brand, you can kind of get everything you ever need in the world and be fine. So I got the 80 quart. I was like, I'm going to spend the money, it's bear proof. It's molded. It has integrated bottle openers in the locking handles. I've, I've used them before, right? I know people who have them and I know people who have Yetis and I've not really been able to discern a difference between the two and the way that I enjoy them. Here's the, here's the one big thing. Yeti's size is, Actually less than they advertise their number at on the front of the cooler. Right. Because they have thicker insulation, which means you get a little bit better ice retention, a little bit better. I got the Cabela's polar cap equalizer 80. They're 350 bucks. It's 80 quarts.
Everett	Which is big, but not huge.
Andrew	Right. It's still 40 pounds and that's what you have to start thinking about when you're looking at at high end expensive coolers is insulation is heavy. So this 80 quart cooler is 40 pounds empty and dry. When you consider that you typically put 20 or so pounds into your cooler, just in ice, You're looking at like an 80 pound cooler. Yes, it's a lot with contents in it. And.
Everett	Here's that's content creation.
Andrew	Here's here's the first thing that I thought I love this. This school is great. I put ice in it. And eight hours later, when I finally emptied it out and sprayed it out, there was like the only water in the bottom was from the ice that had melted when it rode home from the grocery store. Right. In the bed of my truck.
Everett	Basically zero heat loss.
Andrew	Zero heat loss. And it was, you know, it rode in my truck from the outside to the picnic and remained outside and was open and closed and had room temperature things put into it. I wish it would have gotten bigger. Yeah. I wish I would have done the 110. Not because of the weight, because I just, I wanted to just a little bit more room. Right? And 80 quart is good for like an afternoon, a weekend. I wish I would've gotten a little bigger. So my other thing is number one, if you have the money to spend on watches and you do anything out of doors and you're still using like a Coleman non hard ceiling lid that melts immediately, it's totally worth spending the money on a big either injected because injected is a little bit cheaper. but molded is inherently better, cooler, but go bigger than you think you want. And you will be much more satisfied. It's a difference. It's a $50 difference between the 80 and the one 10. Yeah. So for 400 bucks, you could have got the one 10 and had a lot more room. The 80 is great. And I'm going to use the 80 all the time. You need two people. Don't do it for a solo trip.
Everett	So 400 bucks for the 110 from Cabela's. What's the comparable Yeti?
Andrew	The comparable Yeti is the, like, I think it's, it's a similar size. I don't know. I don't have that pulled up. In terms of money. In terms of money. 400 bucks. Yeah. Cabela's and Yeti run almost dollar for dollar.
Everett	And the injected versions from generic that you can buy at Coastal Farm and Ranch.
Andrew	I think Arctic is injected now.
Everett	Um, they're like 300 and change, right? There is not, if you're buying a dope cooler, they're all a bunch of money. So if you buy a cooler and it's less than like a hundred bucks, you can get significantly better stuff. And I'm not saying you shouldn't, you should spend 400 bucks on a cooler.
Andrew	I have a huge Coleman. I have a hundred and like 160 Coleman, which is where I'll put my, like, doesn't need to stay cold. cold stuff.
Everett	But all the good ones cost a buck a load of money. That's the point I'm trying to make.
Andrew	They all cost a buck a load of money. And just the forgettable difference between the actual good molded versus injected. And I think going away from Yeti, right? Yeti's accessory. Yeti, you're paying for a brand name, right? But you don't pay that much more, I think is my point. You don't pay that much more. They're not gouging you. But you pay a lot more for accessories. A Yeti with wheels, smaller capacity, way more money. The Yeti, uh, like little, little, uh, hand cart that they sell aftermarket, way more money. I think the Cabela's dolly that they sell that incorporates into the cooler and gives you wheels and just like steel frame that there's bolts into place and locks in the footholds and gives you wheels is like 50 bucks. The Yeti version is like 80 bucks. Or no, the a compatible Yeti because Yeti doesn't make one. A compatible Yeti is like 200 bucks or the Yeti with wheels, you get smaller capacity and pay way more. Buy a cooler, spend too much money, spend too much money and you're not, you're just going to put beer in it and love your life. You're going to be really satisfied with it. You're going to, it's going to hurt, right? That's a cry once. Buy once, cry once.
Everett	Yep.
Unknown	Yep.
Everett	In the words of Andrew.
Andrew	And I, and I have plenty of coolers. I have a lot of coolers in my garage.
Unknown	Yeah, you do.
Andrew	Yeah, I just do. I have a lot of coolers in my garage. And this is the one that I took the care to the day I used it and was done with it, emptied it out, sprayed it out because now I have to take care of it because it was actually a cry once experience.
Everett	Link in the show notes, remember the difference between molded and injected because that is the key difference in these things. Yes. Oftentimes we ask our guests on this show if they've heard the other thing segment. I say about 45% of the time we get a blank stare. Um, about 45% of the time we get folks say, Oh yeah, that's right. Uh, let me think about 9% of the time we get folks that say, Oh yeah, I remember what was that about 1% of the time, meaning for the first time ever today, we start asking the question and the person says, I'm ready to go. Don't even ask the question. And I got a backup. Other things, bro dinky. What do you got?
Brodinky	So I'm a fan of the other things. Okay.
Everett	I definitely picked up. Can we talk about this? Right? Because this is a controversial portion of the show. We regularly get nasty comments that say, Oh, these guys spent 15 minutes talking about fucking whatever. At the end of the show, it was always 10 minutes in the beginning. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. This is I think this I think this is the best part of our show. Look, who cares about fucking watches? What we care about is molded fucking Cabela's coolers.
Brodinky	So I was still speaking of, I was still curious to know if you ever poured those concrete countertops.
Andrew	I moved. Oh, did you? Yeah, we moved. We just we we didn't cut our losses. We cut our gains and we we moved.
Brodinky	I still remember that. And for some reason, it just popped my head.
Andrew	Not that like during the episode, I was like, damn, we were probably like weeks, like two to three weeks away from doing it. And we found the house that we're in now. He bought the house across the street, came on the market again. And and we were like, well, now's the time. And we just listed our house and sold it.
Everett	Nasty melamine countertops and all.
Andrew	Yeah. And somebody bought it for way, way too many money. And I appreciate them for it. Thank you.
Brodinky	I'm a fan of other things. I've got to say, I've definitely picked up like spicy bags of chips, beers, checked out a new show because of this segment. I think it gives you insight to your hosts a little bit, you know, about who they are. It's not just about the watches, as you said. I happen to have a show. I don't know if you guys have seen this or if you touched on it before. It's on Hulu. I went through the whole series. It's one season. It's called The Dropout. You seen it yet?
Unknown	Not yet.
Brodinky	Okay. Amanda Seyfried, I don't know if you're familiar with her. She's done a lot of, uh, she's fantastic. Yeah. So she plays a young entrepreneur drops out of college, goes with the name of the show, the dropout. And she is basically inspired by Steve jobs. She wants to be that kind of a CEO of her own company. And she comes up with this kind of idea for this medical machine is going to revolutionize the industry. I'm not going to spoil the whole show here, but it starts to snowball and She gets a few hang ups with the machine and it might not be working correctly as they want to at times. And she has to put on a good front and be marketable and. Sponsors start joining on. It starts raising a lot of money and the whole thing becomes a bit of a house of cards and it's a very much a juggling act and it gets pretty suspenseful at times, but it also just shows you like sort of how. Hype works in other avenues other than just watches and media like that. It's a really interesting happening. And I guess it was it's based on a true story.
Everett	So it's the story of Elizabeth Holmes.
Andrew	I was just going to ask how familiar you are with the Elizabeth Holmes debacle.
Brodinky	I went back and checked it out after the fact. OK, because my wife put me on to it and I was like, I guess we're watching this. And I got a little bit hooked into it. And I was like, this is pretty cool. So then I went back and kind of read through the whole bit.
Andrew	Is it pretty close-ish to the way like is it almost docudrama?
Brodinky	At times they even try to paint her as like giving her deposition in front of the camera for the court and everything. So I think they tried to paint it very true to form. I'm sure there's some embellishments there and there. I mean, it's pretty wild at times, but very cool show overall.
Everett	You know, I haven't watched it and it's been one of those that we've almost started a handful of times. I think that this story, Elizabeth Holmes, I think there's a lot of ways to interpret this. And I, you know, you have people who will say that kind of she's a victim, that Sonny was really the one who was, you know, victimizing her in some ways. But also she's clearly got some uh, predilection and, and she's, you know, some of the things, the voice, you know, the obvious manufacturer, deep voice that she's employed, uh, throughout her career. Cypher nails it.
Brodinky	You want to like strangle her half the episodes, but that's just because she does it so well.
Everett	Yeah. You know, it's, it's, it's a really kind of gross and fascinating story. Um, I'm going to make an admission. I think that Elizabeth Holmes is kind of low-key hot.
Andrew	Yeah. I don't know if you have to say low-key.
Everett	Uh, yeah, no, I, it's something that I haven't watched. It's like not for any good reason, but I haven't, but, but based on a good recommendation, I'm going to check it out.
Andrew	Yeah. Give it a look. I'm intrigued. So I bet you have another thing.
Everett	I've got another thing.
Andrew	Do me.
Everett	I teased this last week and said, I've got another thing. I'm not quite ready.
Andrew	Always just the tip.
Everett	That's right. That's right. I just need a little bit more fluffing. So I, um, I started a podcast a few weeks ago. Um, I actually like paid for this, like monthly subscription podcast thing called the binge. I did it on a whim and it gives you access to advertisement free podcasts all at once. Some of them that are like mid release. I subscribed to this thing for a specific podcast. It's not this podcast, but now I'm paying five bucks a month. So I'm trying to get as much.
Andrew	Get your money's worth.
Everett	Yeah, I'm trying to get my money's worth. I started a podcast a few weeks ago called Death at the Wing. This is a podcast by Andrew McKay, who's sort of like one of these well-known podcast type journalists. And it is specifically about, it's a docu-podcast series regarding deaths on, uh, deaths in basketball, professional basketball, sometimes college basketball. Uh, it's, and, and this whole thing is kind of intertwined with late seventies, early eighties politics. I think it's fair to call the political context of the podcast woke, which is a bad word for some of you. It's not for me. Um, You know, I identify with some of the positions taken by this by the show, and I feel very comfortable with others. But I think for some people, this this is just just fair warning. Trigger trigger warning. It's liberal, progressive, woke stuff. So if you're sensitive to that kind of stuff, maybe don't listen. With that said, maybe do just don't. With that said, Really, it's an examination on the socio-political situation. And it talks about basketball, too. This is a basketball podcast, right? But it's really in the context of a lot of the things happening. I said I wasn't ready last week because I wanted to get through the Drazen Petrovic episode. Drazen Petrovic. Portland Trailblazer, you know, near and dear to my heart basketball, I grew up on basketball, I cut my teeth on basketball, that is my sport. You know, everybody's got a sport, not everybody, some people don't have a sport. But you know, we find lots of people are like, I'm hockey, I'm football, I think in the United States, historically baseball. I love baseball. I'm a huge Mariners fan. I love football, huge Seahawks fan. But my first love, my first love was the Portland Trailblazers. As a 10-year-old kid, Blazers making the Western Conference Finals, Clyde Drexler, Terry Porter. This is Drazen Petrovic, right? This is my heart and soul, my youth. And so I wanted to get through that episode. Let me tell you, this podcast has been fantastic. Andrew McKay does such a good job with the way he goes back on the historical context. Sometimes you'll get halfway through an episode and you're like, this isn't even about basketball. And it doesn't matter. This is about Reagan era politics, policies. Good Lord, this is good. I'd never heard about it. I only even was even exposed to it because I subscribed. I did the stupid thing where you subscribe to the thing. Jesus Christ, if you like the NBA, they talk about the merger of the ABA and the NBA, too, which is a thing that I didn't really know all that much about. Fascinating story. Death of the wing. Not Andrew, Adam McKay, Death of the Wing. Totally worth it. Totally wonderful. Listen to it. You'll love it. Unless it's too woke for you and then you might not, but fuck it. Listen to it anyway.
Andrew	It's about basketball and conspiracies. Yeah.
Everett	It's not really about conspiracies. It's more about like socioeconomic situations that that have, you know, just creating a situation to one's benefit and somebody finding out about it is It's really about 70s and 80s politics in the United States and how those affected these people in the sport. But fantastic. Love it. I'm down with it. You should listen to it. You'll love it too. Yeah, we'll see. And that's it, man. That's it. We did it 200 times. We've done this. We're an hour and a half in. Fuck it. Who cares? Because 200 episodes.
Andrew	Yeah, we get to go.
Everett	We could go for three hours if we want. We could just Joe Rogan it up in here. We're not Joe Rogan. You guys would take mushrooms. Not in the show yet.
Andrew	I'm super happy to talk about MMA, though, if that's where we need to go.
Everett	Andrew, anything for the good of the order? That's it.
Andrew	I'm so I'm I'm excited for 200 more.
Everett	Me, too. Let's do this. Yeah. Brodenky. Can we mark it down for number 400? The one and only. Yeah, we're pre-booking you right now. Your next invitation will be just short of four years from now. Anything you want to add for the good of the order?
Brodinky	Just a big thanks to you two. And I just want to say kind of in the same way that you were sort of laying the compliments on me, I've always had an appreciation for your pod specifically, because you don't, you don't give in, you don't sway based on public opinion, you are who you are, and you're true to that. And it's always a genuine conversation, I don't have to feel like I'm being fed anything at any time. And so when you guys asked me to come on, it was an absolute yes. I wouldn't have missed it. Thank you so much for having me. And it's been a great time. I'm really looking forward to listening this one back.
Andrew	We're super pleased to have you. It was an absolute pleasure. And we hope you're willing to come back in sooner than four years from now.
Brodinky	We'll work it out. And hopefully, I don't know if you'll be in New York. I'll be there this time. I promise for wind up. That's the plan. You live there. I do. I live in Long Island, which is just outside the city. Quick train ride. So you have no excuses. We'll be there. I don't.
Everett	I will meet you there. Andrew, you're my best friend in the world. I'm so glad to do this with you. Another, another 200 episodes. Here we go.
Unknown	Here we go.
Everett	Hey, thanks you guys for joining us for this episode of 40 in 20 to watch clicker podcast. Seriously. Thank you. You can check us out on the website. You know where it's at. You can check it out. Check us out on Instagram. Please check out pro dinky. If you haven't, you already have, we know you have, uh, If you want to support us on Patreon, you can do that. We really do need that support for hosting and whatnot. But if you want to support what we're doing for another 200 episodes, we'd love to have you. And hey, listen, we're going to be here next Thursday because we're here every fucking Thursday. So don't forget to tune in next Thursday for another hour of watches, food, drinks, life, and other things we like every fucking Thursday.