Episode 199 - Watches Round Up, August 18, 2022
Published on Thu, 18 Aug 2022 10:02:47 -0700
Synopsis
The episode discusses various watch-related news and topics, including:
- Everett's experience with his newly acquired King Seiko watch and his thoughts on the retro vibe it exudes.
- The release of an all-steel Casio G-Shock line, featuring a new copper-colored variant, and the potential for more connected/smart features in G-Shocks.
- Casio's Protrek line and the release of a new tactical/mountaineering model with unique features like floating lugs.
- Speculation about the potential for other brands to collaborate on affordable, plastic/resin watches similar to the Omega x Swatch MoonSwatch collection.
- The possible impact of the crypto market downturn on the availability of luxury watches like Rolex and Patek Philippe on the secondary market.
- A discussion of other affordable watch brands like Redwood and their recent releases.
- A brief tangent discussing a Netflix documentary about the disastrous Woodstock '99 music festival.
- Everett's experience with new desktop speakers he purchased, the Creative Pebble V3s.
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| Andrew | Hello, fellow watch lovers, nerds, enthusiasts, or however you identify. You're listening to 40 in 20, the WatchClicker podcast with your host, Andrew, and my good friend Everett. Here, we talk about watches, food, drinks, life, and other things we like. Everett, how are you? |
| Everett | I'm good. I am about to crack a beer, which I need desperately. |
| Andrew | Then do it. |
| Everett | Which I need desperately. |
| Andrew | Okay. Quit wasting time. Okay. Shit or get off the pot. shit. It's all over. |
| Everett | I'm doing okay. Uh, you know, uh, uh, I'm ready to talk about watches, right? I'm, I'm, I'm back. I'm here. I'm present physically and mentally. Uh, and I, I just, man, I'm ready for this for the party. I've been wearing my King Seiko, Almost constantly, not quite, but almost constantly. Which we just glazed over last week. We did, because we had some important stuff. So I bought this King Seiko, kind of an impulse decision. It was a bit of a flyer. It was a bit of a flyer, which is, you know, considering it's like one of the most expensive watches I've ever bought, that's an odd thing to have done. I have it, and I love it, and I wear it, and I just am pretty enamored by it. It's got a thing, right? It's clearly retro. It's clearly retro. And I think more than any other watch I've ever seriously considered for myself, it gives off distinctly retro vibes. You know, I've got that, Seagull 1963, which is similar, but really not the same. It's more of a classic design. Whereas this watch is a time capsule in so many ways. The bracelet is so distinctly retro styling. With that said, it's all very modern. There's nothing retro in the construction of it. But I've realized a few times that I don't know what I realized. I don't know how I feel about that really distinctly retro vibe. You know, you've done a similar thing with the Q-Timex. I never really got hit by the hype for the Q-Timex. It's just kind of, you know, it never really sung to me. And there was that, what is it, the falcon eye or whatever. I think this Falcon Eye styling is kind of similar to this King Seiko in the way the bracelet works with the case. And that watch, I think it was cool. I love to look at it, but I always thought, well, I'm not going to buy that because I don't think I'd like a watch that retro. In some ways, the PRX does a similar thing. |
| Andrew | I was going to say this is a high-end PRX. |
| Everett | Yeah. Yeah, maybe. All that to say, I've had to sort of wrestle with that a little bit mentally because I love the watch. I love the size of it. It's great. I mean, the size on this thing is great. I think it's 36 and change or maybe 37. Um, it, it just wears great. I love all of the glisten and gleam on this bracelet. And, um, it's like a flat Jubilee. Um, gosh, I I'm really happy with this watch, but I I'm having to decide now if I, love that retro vibe. I love the watch. I love wearing it. But there's something about that retro that sometimes I'll look down and be like, I don't know. So I'm wearing it every day. I basically can't take it off. And when I wake up in the morning, it's the one I've been putting on. So we'll see. |
| Andrew | We'll see. It's because Kim has to see you wear it. |
| Everett | Perhaps. Yeah, perhaps. I will say the dial is so nice. So nice. Uh, when the sun hits the dial, sometimes it's like, it almost looks like chocolatey. There is like a chocolate colored dial. This one's not, this one's the charcoal, but it's got some really warm tones and it's really dynamic. Sometimes it looks black and other times it looks something very different from black. No loom. |
| Andrew | I'm gosh, man, that would be my hangup is no loom. And I think that could be, the like the determining factor. I think if you put loom on there, even if it were subtle, that would be just enough to be the modernization that would make it feel less retro and more like vintage inspired, more seventies inspired than a seventies reissue. Really? I mean, that's, that's what it feels like. |
| Everett | I actually think the no loom is, is not, compromise. In fact, I think it's the, it's the opposite of that. I think it's adherence, uh, to the soul of the watch, which watches don't have souls. I'm not suggesting that, but to the spirit of the watch, you know, this watch isn't supposed to have loom. And so we're not going to put loom on it because you don't need loom on every fucking watch. Um, I actually kind of dig that it doesn't have it right. Because it, it's really faithful to the idea of itself. And so I'm, I'm here for it. I don't know. |
| Andrew | That bracelet is next level. That was what, when I put it on for the first time, the bracelet was what did it for me. |
| Everett | You know, I think it's the, the bracelet's great, obviously. And I'm not suggesting it's not. For me, it was the way the light hits it. You know, every time you turn this thing, even 10 degrees on any axis, you get this, you get a glimmer from somewhere on it. |
| Andrew | Yeah, none of them are actually flat. They're all micro angles, just constantly. |
| Everett | Constant micro angles. That's right. So, uh, yeah, I'm doing good. I'm sorry. That was a little bit of a segue. |
| Andrew | That's a decent segue. Cause that's a, that's a new cool thing. And it's a gorgeous watch. |
| Everett | Andrew, Andrew, Andrew, Andrew, my friend, how are you? |
| Andrew | I am so good. Cause we're here. We're talking about watches. It's been a busy week. It's been a bit of a crazy week. I think I've spent more time at work than I haven't, so I'm very happy to be home. |
| Everett | And you've been doing crisis negotiation. |
| Andrew | Some of that, some of it just working long, but I'm super pleased to be home, chilling, drinking beer. Drinking beer. And sort of jammies. I mean, I'm just wearing shorts, but this is, this is about as jammy as it gets without being in my underpants. Unless you're, if you're comfortable with that, |
| Everett | Reduce down to underpants, but say you're wearing khaki shorts. |
| Andrew | Yeah, but they're just like, I don't know. There's only a two inch inseam. I don't know what you want from me. But all that being said, I'm just excited to be here chatting about some shit going on in the watch world because we haven't done that in a while. |
| Everett | We well, yeah. And we're going to do it tonight. And some things have happened as they as they are want to do. The things keep happening, you know, |
| Andrew | And things that catch our eye because there's always stuff happening. Most of it I do not care about at all. I don't care about Serena Williams rocking the Black Panther watch. That just doesn't, that doesn't sing to me. |
| Everett | Yeah. You know, when you read that article like that, it's like we're marketing marketing. We are, we have publications. serving as marketing outlets for marketing events. We're marketing the marketing. Uh, yeah. |
| Andrew | I don't, I don't care either, Andrew. When I was kind of like consolidating the things that I thought I wanted to talk about this week that have caught my eye. One of the things that I noticed, and I'm going to talk about one article specifically, but the kind of a bigger idea. It's an article from Quill & Pad. It says, five more affordable tool watches I'd buy if I didn't want to spring for a Rolex Submariner. Reprise by John Kehl. Kehl. Kyle? K-E-I-L. I'm sorry, John. I don't know how to say your name. Yeah, because that's not a name I've seen before. But I'm going to read you the watches and then I'm going to explain my bitch. He goes on to talk about how he loves the Sub. Because who doesn't love the sub? But here is the list of watches he would buy if he didn't want to spring for a sub, which he does want to do. The Seiko Prospex Monster 2nd Gen SR-P313K1. We all know the monster. |
| Everett | It's a watch that 10 years ago was really cool. Yeah. |
| Andrew | It's still a tool watch. Well, we're going to circle back. I'm going to give the list and then I need to express my bitch. |
| Everett | Is John Keel, is John Keel the owner of, um, not watch box, uh, of WatchGage? |
| Andrew | He's Quillenpad's resident retail expert. |
| Everett | Yeah. I think he's the fellow who, Maybe, I don't know. Runs the Watch Gauge website, which is kind of a neat, it's like an online retailer for microbrands. |
| Andrew | Maybe, maybe not. I didn't do any research into them. I just, this article kind of triggered me as, it was the one that I picked because it was one that like I would click on and be like, oh, I'm interested. Let's look at some cool tool watches. But there's some, there's some things here. The Nth Antilles White for $500 to $1,000. |
| Everett | So, and let's be really clear. John Keel is probably the second biggest retailer of Nth watches. I'm just going to throw that out there. |
| Andrew | But yeah, an Antilles, sure. For $1,000 to $2,500. The Aorus Divers, $65. I have a hard time arguing with that decision. $25,000 to $4,000. The Black Bay reference 79230B. |
| Everett | A little on the nose, a little obvious, but yes. Okay. |
| Andrew | And from a four to six, the Bremal Supermarine S500. |
| Everett | You know, that is a watch that you hear about so often on the blogs and... Banging down the walls. Okay. I think I think he picked the Bremont and not the obvious watch, which is the Tudor Pelagos, because he didn't want to have two Tudors in a row. |
| Andrew | Yeah, he probably wants to offload some of these. Is he selling the S500? I don't know. It's the. If you're in the market for. Say a Panerai, but you want something just a little bit. Different because a Panerai is too mainstream for you. The Supermarine S500 is where I'd say to go like, hey, it's a little bit quirky. It's it's kind of funky. It's also beautiful. This is maybe where you're looking like this is the deep cut shit. This is not a you know, I'm kind of thinking about a sub. I got what I got your thing. But so here was my bitch. And I read a ton of articles today that were all kind of along these lines. It was like, Look, you can't afford this, that, or the other thing. Here's five things wholly unlike the thing that you want that you could probably get. Like here's just five other things. And I don't, when I was thinking about that, I was like, well, we've done poor man's episodes. Yeah. We've done, hey, you can't buy this for, you know, X, Y, Z reason. These are good alternatives. And I was trying to put my finger on why I felt differently about what we were doing. Man articles like this and of that ilk. And you know, we went just as wild directions. Like, yeah, you can't get an Explorer, but you know, this is an also an excellent tool. Watch this well spec'd. It's got heritage. I think the issue for me is that these are just like either boring or just marketing picks. |
| Everett | Hmm. Well, you know, you went through, you went through the watches, I would say in his defense, I think Only one of these that he sells is the watch with a monster that's not even remotely. |
| Andrew | It's not even the same ballpark, it's not the same sport. |
| Everett | Yeah, I don't know. I actually kind of like the pics. I think you like the monster as a pic. |
| Andrew | I like I think the or 65 is actually a really, really great pic. If you're looking for a refined dive watch with some horology chops, that's well-specced. I'm down with that pick. And the Black Bay is, you know, duh. |
| Everett | I mean, I'm down with all of these. Watches are so subjective. I think these are cool picks. They're off the beaten path. You know, with the exception of the Black Bay 58, obviously, and maybe the Diver 65. But I think he's doing a thing here, and I'm OK with it. I do think that the way the article is presented, it feels a little without direction. |
| Andrew | Maybe that's it. But I got, I got kind of tired of reading the, Oh, well he can't afford Rolex. Here's five watches period. Here are watches. |
| Everett | Yeah. That you can, there's no, there's no, what's the connection to the Explorer? |
| Andrew | Yeah. Or the, yeah, the connection to the thing that you want, because if you, if you want a sub, Buy a Seiko monster. Yeah, buy a Seiko monster or don't. It's OK to recognize that you want something and that you can't afford it right now. If those are your if that's the type of thing you like. There's a lot out there for you. Yeah, that aren't a sub. And there's a lot of gateways like, hey, it's pretty similar, like a Pelagos. This is a fucking cool tool watch. It's no sub. But it's a cool tool watch. Doxa is a contemporary, super different. But contemporaneous does the same shit. Really fucking cool. Maybe that was my, my gripe. I don't know. I got tired of reading articles like that today. |
| Everett | Yeah. I mean, I think that's the thing. So we, we use a number of different resources to pull articles. You know, usually it's just things we've read, um, things we're interested in, things we've heard about, But I think we both actually pull sources for the show from Watchville. |
| Andrew | That's like a jumping off point for me. |
| Everett | Yeah. And as you go through Watchville, you do tend to see, you know, it's like, oh, Tissot or, you know, Bulova released a new watch and they're pimping it hard. And so there's four articles in the span of six |
| Andrew | Because they they consolidate and there was a couple of brands today that I saw and I was like, yo, that watch is exciting. It's cool. I don't need to see nine iterations of the same article and same photographs. |
| Everett | Right. And that's how it goes. I mean, that's how any sort of aggregator is going to. I appreciate the watch gauge is is not algorithm driven. It's just. What's the word I'm looking for? In time, right? This is just a feed. Yeah, it's a feed, right? What's the word I'm looking for? Anyway, sequential, sequential, right? It's just this is this is what was was issued or these are the articles that were issued on this day and this day and this day. I like that. You don't have to trust that the algorithm is going to show you the stuff that you want to see. |
| Andrew | No, the algorithm always is a betrayal. |
| Everett | Can we talk about G Shock? We should. Because I think, uh, I think G-Shock, I think Casio is doing some shit. They are. |
| Andrew | They are doing some shit. And I'm excited to see where it's heading. I think we should talk first about the all steel Casio. |
| Everett | Yeah. Yeah. So prior to right now, You could get a Casio. Mm hmm. And you could in 60 to 120 days from somewhere in China, get a any number of places, probably signed steel Casio case. |
| Andrew | Definitely signed. Definitely steel, because the the steel set that I got for the 5600 is signed and most certainly not made by Casio, but still signed as if it were. |
| Everett | So you could build a steel Casio at any given time in the last for 200 bucks. Yeah. Yeah. Like all the way in all the way. 250 maybe. Yeah. |
| Andrew | Yeah. If you wanted to get like a special color or like gold or something and not actual gold, but you know, gold paint. |
| Everett | But now you can just buy that from Casio from, from G shock. You can buy a stainless steel Casio. Which I think is pretty cool. |
| Andrew | It's super cool. So it comes in, it's going to come in three colors. We've got classic steel, we've got, uh, black and copper. The copper looks very like post-apocalyptic, Mad Max, water world. |
| Everett | Is that what they're calling it? Uh, copper? |
| Andrew | Copper. It's copper IP coated. But that's what it is, what it reminds me of. It's like a really deep, like almost like, like bronze more so than copper to me. It's beautiful and is shockingly attractive for a G shock. Right. I mean like that, this is kind of pushing G shock into the, like it's still a sport watch. It's still a G shock, but it's kind of pushing it to that next level of like, I don't know, like a, It's taken it somewhere that it hasn't been before. |
| Everett | Yeah. You know, I think what I, what I like, what I like about these watches is they've made them. It's big. This is a 45 millimeter watch with a 50 millimeter lug to lug on, on this style of watch. That's a big lug to lug, especially because it's a big ass chunk of metal. |
| Andrew | Bless you. Excuse me. |
| Everett | Yeah. Well, and you don't have any sort of lugs or whatever. Right. I mean, it's just, comes off your wrist and it is where it is. Uh, but 12.8 millimeters thick, which according to, uh, Hodinke, that's the thinnest all metal G shock ever made. I, I feel like I want to take umbrage to that just on general principle, but I don't have any, any data to, to support my umbrage. |
| Andrew | I don't know. We haven't ever measured your G shock. It's definitely thicker than that. Is it? Yeah. Yeah. It's a bit of a chunk, but it's got a small dial. So it kind of like, yeah, it's kind of appropriate, but I'm excited about this because I think it's number one, it's, it's just cool that they're updating this line, that they saw this thing happening in the aftermarket world because of the metal Casio mod is not new. Yeah. Nor is it... Yeah, two years. It's very popular. And they answered it. They're like, hey, we're gonna do it better than the aftermarket stuff. |
| Everett | We're gonna do this. |
| Andrew | And I think that's really cool. And I think to see that response is indicative of some things that G-Shock is seeing in the watch community at large. And I think we're gonna see some cool watch people stuff from G-Shock in the next couple years. Yeah. I hope at least, and unless this is just like incidental contact that the, that those metal cases have been being produced and tested for years until they finally got it the way that they wanted and they've just been being sold out the back door. |
| Everett | Yeah. You know, I think actually, I think they're doing it. I know. I don't, uh, I think Casio is sort of all in on the these non sort of traditional, these metal and more fashion G shocks. I think they're all in. I think they've, you know, maybe for the last three years have really started to push forward with this. And I, I, I think you're, I would be shocked if they didn't lean into this hard with that. |
| Andrew | The standard G.A. 2100s, the Cassioques, are getting hooked up with Bluetooth connectivity to your phone. Man oh man. And solar power. |
| Everett | Solar power is great. I'm here for it. The Bluetooth connectivity, I guess it's fine. |
| Andrew | It's making it a smartwatch. I mean, that's the thing, you know, who somebody's dropped a smartwatch this week. Who did it? I don't know. One of the one of the big guys. dropped like a Terbium smartwatch. Uh, it doesn't matter. Uh, it's unobtainium, but it also like, it's not, it's not g-shock. Cool. But now we're starting to see, we're starting to see more smartwatch functionality coming out of these cool tool watches that aren't like, you know, I'm not bashing on Garmin or Suunto or Apple watches. Cause I think they're very cool. They're awesome technology. But I don't want to wear them because I want to wear an antiquated piece of technology. But to be able to take that antiquated piece of technology and integrate that cool shit into it, there's something there. And that excites me. |
| Everett | Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I think, uh, there haven't been a lot of super hit, you know, connected watches or whatever, but G-Shock is doing a couple of them. |
| Andrew | I mean, Some of their, I mean, they have some other smartwatches that are doing it, but they've introduced it into the Casio line now. Solar into the Casio line. They've got cool colors. So if you don't want the metal Casio, you've still got some, some options for that Casio. I have had one in and out of my cart several times. It's one of the tri colors. |
| Everett | Yeah. Can we keep it rolling with Casio? I just feel like I think when we were on the roll, so A brand, one of Casio's lines that doesn't get as much love, but that we've talked about on this show, not very recently, but a lot, especially kind of in our first 50 episodes or so, Protrek. Casio's Protrek line. Protrek just keeps on humming along, right? They sell a bunch of watches. They sell a bucket load of watches. Really cool watches. Nobody in the watch world talks about them because I don't know. |
| Andrew | Because ABC watches aren't cool. |
| Everett | Yeah. But, but Protrex are cool. I know I've talked about this on the show before, but I think the Protrek logo is like one of my very favorite things in watches. Yeah. It's so 1980s LL Bean. |
| Andrew | There's no marketing behind the logo. It's just like this is our name. |
| Everett | And it's usually like like it's usually like kind of in an awkward spot and like not centered. |
| Andrew | Or cut in like cut into something. |
| Everett | Here we are. This is a Protrek made in Maine. So Protrek dropped a new watch this week. They're they're cutting into a collection they previously released on the Biomass collection. And they're calling this the PRG 340, which is elegant as always. Um, it's a climber series. So this is a watch focused on, it's an ABC watch for quote unquote navigators. Um, you know, when we talk about like Explorer watches or, you know, Alpinist or whatever, Like those are watches that were originally designed to meet the needs of people doing mountain climbing or mountain exploring. But this is the watch that people who actually do those things today want, right? If you're going to climb Everest and you wear your Explorer, you can fuck right off. |
| Andrew | You're going to wear it on your opposite wrist. |
| Everett | Just shut up. when you climb Everest with your Explorer. |
| Andrew | Because you're also going to wear your sub on your opposite wrist and your dive computer on your normal wrist. Yeah, that's right. |
| Everett | That's right. You got to get one of those compass. You got to get one of those compass bracelets, too. |
| Andrew | Not on your pro trek. |
| Everett | But yeah, that's right. |
| Andrew | So one of the cool things and I don't know if this is a feature of every pro trek or if this is unique to the to the mountaineering climber. The lugs on this float. So you can swivel them out of the way. and lay it flat down on your map so that you can actually get a good compass bearing off of your flat surface using your watch. That's right. Lock your bezel in and then you're good to go. |
| Unknown | That's right. |
| Andrew | This is a rad watch. That's, that's like true R and D. Give a shit about the consumer, not the consumer, the end user technology. Totally meaningless to anyone who doesn't need it. But for those that need it, they're like, this is dope. Yeah. I don't need it. That's not important to me. It's important to me that they cared enough about it to do it. |
| Everett | Yeah. And I mean, it's legit, right? You can get barometric readings, you can get a compass, you can get altitude. My knees are my barometric reader. Temperature. I mean, it really does stuff. That's cool. Now, the one downside about ProTrek, every ProTrek I've ever seen, is they are ugly as sin. I actually kind of like the style, but they're obscenely large. Yeah. That's why I don't have one. This is a 55 millimeter watch 54.7, but it's like, you know, once your kid gets two years, stop saying how many months they are old in months anymore. Yeah. Right. This is, this is a six centimeter watch is what it is. When you say it that way. |
| Andrew | I mean, That's enormous. Geez. Uh, yeah, they're big. Comes in three colors, black, green. Here's the exciting one. Titanium. And they're all affordable. Yeah. 280 for the black and the green full titanium 370 for just that technology alone. It's crazy that they can hold that price and then you throw titanium into it. |
| Everett | And it's cheaper than a Zunto. Well, I mean it does less than a Zunto, but it, I don't know. You're not going to get GPS or, you know, blah, blah, blah, blah. |
| Andrew | Yeah, I don't know. You're not going to. Yeah, it's not a full Suunto. But it's also a watch and not a smartwatch. Yeah, but it's a tool. It's a it's a instrument. |
| Everett | You can leave your cell phone at home if you want. |
| Andrew | You could. You shouldn't, you know, because you can always use 911. And if you're relying just on your compass on your watch, because you think you can do it. You know, I read an interesting article today. Uh, this is off topic, but it's, it's kind of relatively on topic. A research group in California did a study on search and rescue. As research groups in California are want to do. They did a, they did a study on search and rescue operations as they relate specifically to locations with high social media instances, right? So the study has found that the more influencers and people who go to a location to get their glamour pic, it causes a bunch of people who want to go recreate that pic who have none of the know-how. none of the inclination and none of the ability to go to those same places, then get stuck and require search and rescue activations to rescue them from these exceptionally dangerous wild places. And the whole thing was like social media is giving people this idea that nature is glamorous and not dangerous. The reason wild places are so amazing is because they are untouched by humans. And if they are untouched by humans, it's because they're hard to get to and humans don't want to be there. |
| Everett | But you know, it, sorry, I'm sure that they did their research, this California research group, but it feels like if I have a five panel Patagonia hat, I should be able to get there. |
| Andrew | You should be able to get there. And if you have, If you have a Patagonia sweater, you should be able to get back. Better sweater. Yeah. You should be able to get there and back with just that. But that was the whole thing is it was like, this is the social media is causing so much taxpayer money to be wasted on search and rescue operations because people are getting lost in the wilderness because they don't have their pro treks. |
| Everett | People need a pro trek. You need your Protrek. Leave your Pataconia five panel. |
| Andrew | No, wear that. Wear that. Okay, so you can wear it. But definitely your Protrek also because that will at least point you south. If you're in California, point your compass west. You will eventually get to a highly populated area. |
| Everett | Yeah, that's right. Yeah, that's right. Yeah. Put the sun at your back in the afternoon. |
| Andrew | No, no, no. Use your compass because just point it west. Follow that. |
| Everett | Uh, what's next friend next? |
| Andrew | Can we talk about a not new brand that did a recent release? That is kind of cool. Sure. Let's do it. So there's a brand called Redwood watches. They've been around for a little while, about 2015 ish. I don't know. I know they started out as a Kickstarter funding for their first couple of watches. I don't know how many watches they've done, But they've done a watch called the Tactical V2 Frogman. Frogman. Yeah. It's one word, but so it's frogman. I was going to question your use of... There's no space. Frogman. Fight me. I mean, there's no space. Frogman. Yeah, it's a frogman. So here's what got me excited. It's 189 bucks with the solar quartz movement. 40 millimeters, 48 lug to lug. 11-2 with a solar movement, thick. 12-2 with a Miyota 82. 20 millimeter strap. 20 atmospheres of water resistance. That's 200 meters. That's 200 meters. Sapphire crystal. 189 bucks on the solar and for the automatic. 269 bucks, which makes sense. But for this brand is kind of reminiscent of Veyr to me, and I'm hoping they can generate the same kind of momentum that Veyr has. It's like a Canadian Veyr. Yeah, because this is a cool vintage inspired field tool kind of feel watch brand. |
| Everett | Well, and this is a, this is a, uh, I'd say an aesthetic that's familiar to us right now. You know, this is very much in the, uh, way of Torna Grayville. Yes. Um, you know, obviously Blancpain, the Boulevard that just dropped. That's right. So this is a familiar aesthetic, but not, not exactly the same. And it feels like, Redwood's done their own thing in a way some of these other versions of this watch haven't. |
| Andrew | They have done their version of it that's unique to them. It's familiar. It works. It's super affordable. It's well-specced. It only comes on nylon, which is a little bit of a bummer, but I think that's how they're keeping their costs quite reasonable. It's certainly part of it, yeah. But this is an attractive field watch dive bezel. that I dig. They also have a Field V5, which is a field watch. It's not special. It's not unique. It's perfectly boring. But they've done just enough of their own thing with it that I'm like, oh, I kind of like that. This could go amongst other field watches that you own or that I own. and not be like thrown in the back corner because it looks like everything else. It's just just got enough of their flair and flavor. And I kind of dig it. This is a brand I'm now going to be keep my eyeballs on for future releases. |
| Everett | Oh, I will say neither one of these. So neither neither the tactical V2 or the field V3 feel particularly. Interesting to me, they're both Pretty generic, I'd say. |
| Andrew | That's my jam, though. The more boring, the more better. The most excitement I want is a GMT hand. |
| Everett | I like the fact that you can choose movements. I like their prices. I'm into it. And I think Canadian Veyr is perfect. |
| Andrew | That's the cool thing for me, too. I really like when brands give you a, hey, here's our super affordable quartz and here is our affordable automatic. Take your pick. We'll put the movement in for you. I like that. That's a good, I think it's a good thing. Can we talk about Rolex? Oh, we, you know, we should. |
| Everett | We have to. Can we talk about Audemars Piguet? Mm-hmm. Um, can we talk about Crypto Bros? |
| Andrew | Mm, now you have me. |
| Everett | So this is something I think everybody's kind of seen happening in real time if you're, if you're into watches, but Man of Many this week released and article Nick Hall 10 August 2022 titled the crypto collapse is quote flooding the market unquote with Rolex and Patek Philippe watches. I think it's Patek Philippe. Patek Philippe watches. Yeah. Yeah. They are explicitly. Explicitly connecting the fall of crypto to the new found prevalence of previously hard to get watches on websites such as Chrono24. I think what they're saying in this article, although they're not quite as explicit as I would have liked, is that crypto bros who went hard on Ethereum are now having to sell their showpieces their I made it pieces. Because they've unmade it. |
| Andrew | Because they've unmade it. They got in the bed and now it needs to be made again. |
| Everett | Uh, I mean, I think, you know, sometimes you read a terrible story, a sad thing and you're like, fuck yeah. Uh, this feels to me like one of those times I, |
| Andrew | This is pure schadenfreude, and I don't know if there's any way to ever prove this, but it makes perfect sense. Yeah. Yeah. |
| Everett | It makes perfect sense. You know, and I'll just say, I don't feel, um, happy that people have lost money or, uh, I'm not sort of... They haven't lost money. They've lost Bitcoin. I'm not anti-crypto bro. And I think that there's a certain amount of tragedy to some, some of this stuff. Right. Uh, but if this feels for, for folks like me, uh, who never bit on that train, there feels like a little bit of relief, like, okay, my reluctance. I was being reasonable after all. Yeah, that's right. My target date mutual funds seem to be okay for right now. Um, you know, Uh, yeah. And then, you know, of course, like the fact that these assholes all bought, you know, they bought out the market and Daytona's and whatever. So like you said, who knows if we'll ever be able to prove this stuff, but it's certainly seems like there's at least a commonality, if not causation. |
| Andrew | I got excited about reading that because as I was reading it, I was like, I don't know how you connect these two things and then Like I started thinking about it, I was like, no, all these douchers who were pouring everything into cryptocurrency suddenly made a bucket load of money. And those are the people who are buying these high dollar luxury items with money that was kind of meaningless to them. It was imaginary to begin with. They turned it into something tangible to show that they'd made it. And, and now as markets do, it's fluctuated significantly and they're having to make changes. I'm like, but that's where all the luxury watches went. And obviously not, it's all luxury watches because they are more than, but not much more than a drop in the bucket of the luxury watch consumer market. But there's enough of them. Like you see five Daytonas on Chrono24 and you're like, Oh, whoa, that's new. Yeah. But it was an interesting article and I, and I thought it was a, it's an interesting observation and a little bit of schadenfreude enjoyment there. And just kind of like a almost, almost an onion article. In a way of like, just like, just kind of satirical, but like, you know, somewhere, somewhere closer to possible. |
| Everett | Actually, maybe true. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You know, it's, uh, it's just, it's just the reality of these things. Money is temporary, whether it's, whether it's connected with the word they use for. |
| Andrew | Well, Will just sent us the, was it the, the month over month? Average prices for Omega Rolex AP? I think so. Yeah. And they're down 30 ish percent. |
| Everett | Yeah. 30 ish percent in the last three months. Right. So, um, you know, let's be clear when people are talking about Rolex prices are down, like we don't mean down. We mean like if you bought a Rolex, at Q4 2021, you may have lost some money, but anything before that, you're probably fine. |
| Andrew | We're not down. And if you waited in line at your AD, you're still dramatically up. |
| Everett | Yeah. We're not down. We're just less significantly up than we were. |
| Andrew | It's stabilizing. Maybe that's it. Maybe we're seeing some market stabilization, like some inventory stabilization. Maybe that's what we're seeing. Maybe that's why prices are coming down a little bit because people's line at their AD are getting a little shorter. You know, like, or maybe ADs are not being exactly transparent with what the actual weight is because they're, they're not sure. Like the guy I took my boat to, he's like, yeah, we won't be able to get to it for like two months. And he called me a week later. He's like, okay, yeah, no, we'll probably have the parts in, in like a week. I'm like, what? So maybe that's what they're doing. Maybe it's like, it's, it's that late, like, like in the army, when you're supposed to be somewhere at six 30, your boss tells you, Hey, I need you there at six 20. And then that guy tells everyone that works for him, I need you there at six 10. And then that guy tells everyone that works for him, I need you there at six. And by the time it gets to the end user, Right? Like just Joe asshole at the squad level, the, the, the dude who's actually doing the work, that poor motherfucker is there at four o'clock in the morning when the instruction was be there at six 20. |
| Everett | Yeah. The, that is such a true thing, man. |
| Andrew | Cause everyone's scared that they can't rely on the person above or below them to do the right thing. |
| Everett | That, That is a slight exaggeration. Uh, it's not, but it's not that, I mean, really not at all unusual to see formations occurring upwards towards 40 minutes earlier than they should be occurring. |
| Andrew | I had a, I had a core run for the, for the three core birthday. PT starts at six 30. We knew we weren't going to start running until after the colors go up. I was standing. On the parade field, 4.30 in the morning. Jeez. |
| Everett | Yeah. Go army. |
| Andrew | A is for army, R is for army. Cause I love the army. Army, army, army. Exactly. Uh, Andrew, what's next? Next up. I read another interesting article. Uh, and I think this is an kind of akin to, to the article that we just talked about. That's kind of speculative, kind of fun, a little bit oniony. From Time and Tide. Hayek, there could be another collaboration. Which brand will get the moon swatch treatment next? From Luke Benedictus. And it's... The entire article is based on this statement, and I have to find it. It's in the article. It's going to be a swath of monster. |
| Everett | I'll just tell you right now. |
| Andrew | There could be another collaboration. That's the whole article. But that again, got me thinking about the phenomena of the moon swatch and what it meant for the Speedmaster and Omega, what it meant for swatch and this cool material they're making watches out of this, cool thing where suddenly what is unobtainable to a lot of people became obtainable in a different way. And I got to thinking about other watches that I would like to see that collaboration. |
| Everett | And what do you, what, what's, what, what, what, what rises immediately to the surface? |
| Andrew | Immediately to the surface, the Orfina. |
| Everett | Hmm. Okay. Right. I'm picking up what you're putting. |
| Andrew | How cool would that be? Just a, just like a, any color way. I mean, take your pick. And, and, and the reason that gets me excited is because racing offers so many opportunities for different variations, right? Space offered a finite ish amount of choices, right? The planets made sense. But if you go racing, you have, a bazillion countries, teams, colorways, options, tracks, cities that you could base your colorways off of to do a dope racing chronograph collaboration. That's right where my head went. And in the, in the article, the, uh, the three watches featured are, you're not going to believe it. The Royal Oak. A Monaco, which is in like in that vein of an Orfina. And I think maybe a Monaco would be cool, but I don't think it'd be as cool as the lines that you get on the Orfina. And then a Daytona, which would I think be super lame and really uncool to do a Daytona loon swatch because Daytona swatch. I don't know. I feel like that would be a cop out. But if you do something like an Orfina, you do something like, There's so many options out there in the way of iconic watches that have options to turn it on its head and make a dozen different fun new colorways without tarnishing the legacy of the watch. |
| Everett | I know, I have two picks right away. Okay. I know what they are. Okay. So the first one, Breitling Navitimer. Ooh, yeah. Second one is Cartier Santos. I want both of those watches swatched collab yesterday. |
| Andrew | If. I'm just saying. A plastic Santos, like I just went from six to 12 like that. |
| Everett | Plastic 45 millimeter Navitimer. |
| Andrew | Swavitimer. Swavitimer I think is what you'd call it. And then you get every airport in the world, right? The colorways are every major international airport. Nailed it. I don't know exactly what you would do with the Santos. Maybe you go aviation themed and you do like World War II fighter jet colorways. But I went six to 12. I don't care if it's black plastic. I mean, don't even have to polish it. Yeah. |
| Everett | Yeah. Uh, that's interesting. I mean, who knows? It may happen. It may not happen. Uh, I don't know. Hayek says, Hayek says in an interview, you don't make a plastic Breguet or something like that, which I'm glad his head's in the right place on this. |
| Andrew | But there's choices out there. And I think it's a cool prospect. |
| Everett | Yeah. Yeah. Are we done here? Are we? |
| Andrew | Yeah, sure. I'll just go fuck off. |
| Everett | What do you got, Andrew? Andrew, what else do you have? |
| Andrew | I'm out of things. I mean, there's been some cool stuff and some stuff that I've read over the last couple of weeks really chapped my ass and some things that got me excited. |
| Everett | You know what chaps my ass? Running without body glide. Yes, precisely. Uh, Andrew, other things, meaning things that are not watches that you're in true into right now, what you got? |
| Andrew | I watched a Netflix documentary. Imagine. called, it was about, I don't remember what it's called and I apologize for that. It was about Woodstock 99. |
| Everett | And I watched a show. I don't know the name of it. |
| Andrew | It's Woodstock 99. You're going to see Woodstock 99. I'm Googling it live. |
| Everett | Um, well, we'll wait. I'll be here. |
| Andrew | And you're just going to cut out the silence anyway. They're going to think it was so fast. |
| Everett | No, I'm not cutting out the silence. I'm leaving every bit of your delay in the show. Yeah, this is still delay. He's furiously scrolling. |
| Andrew | Thumbs moving. Watch Trainwreck. So it's called Trainwreck Woodstock 99. Trainwreck. The tile is a burning porta potty. So I, um, I saw a tile that said, train wreck Woodstock 99. And I was like, I got time. And I'm also curious, the fuck is Woodstock 99? Because you're a baby. So what I realized is I was just like, I was born in 89. So I remember the year 1999 really vividly. And, and the rear, the year 1999 for me is highlighted by Y2K. That was the thing. Cause I was influenced by what was being pushed down to me, right? I was still, I mean, I was 10 years old, so I wasn't quite in like reach out into the world around me. |
| Everett | You weren't doing a ton of independent thinking. |
| Andrew | Yeah. Right. I'm 10 years old. What I came to realize was that there were two attempted, through this documentary and then subsequent reading, there were two attempted revivals of Woodstock. One in 96, which was a bust. And then one in 99, which was a fucking catastrophe. |
| Everett | Not a bust, extremely popular, well-funded, lots of money. |
| Andrew | Lots of money, lots of backlash, lots of failures, lots of lessons learned that maybe probably weren't ever put to use. It is a fascinating documentary. So the, the documentary crew talks to the production team who have this wide array of opinions, right? The executives are like, no, we did great. You know, some things went wrong. You know, I don't know what, what do you want from us? There's that many people, how are you going to control it? But we did our best and it was great. It was good. And then junior level producers were like, yo, this was like red flags from the beginning. Everything was a shit show. I'm surprised more people didn't die. And then they bring in, they were able to find people pretty easily. I imagine who attended. Woodstock 99 and got their opinion. So it was this, this stratified day by day recounting of this disaster of a music festival that was, it was trying to smash a square peg into a round hole for profit generation. Profits were generated and it destroyed ever the idea of this type of music festival happening again. It was fascinating. It was super cool because it was in 1999, right? That's not that long ago. Tons of video from the music festival itself. Virtually everyone who was there covering it is still alive, giving interviews, producing staff, executives, everyone's there. I was like, yeah, we'll talk about this. It was fascinating. It was super captivating. And, and the, it, I wish they would have spent more time about the, on the music that was there. That was kind of an afterthought. It was the production of the event itself. The music was, was a component, but it wasn't the component. |
| Everett | I'm pretty sure Limp Bizkit was there. |
| Andrew | Limp Bizkit was there. Chili peppers were there. Cheryl Crow was there. |
| Everett | I mean, it was like a pretty dope. It was a pretty dope massive. |
| Andrew | Yeah. I mean, well, let's, let's look at the, um, we, we have where we're, let's go to main stage. So the pre-show we're gonna skip that. The fluffers. Kid Rock, Wyclef John, Counting Crows, Dave Matthews Band, Atlantis Morissette, Limp Bizkit, Raging Machine, Metallica, Ice Cube, Everclear. From Portland. Yeah. Willie Nelson, Korn, Fatboy Slim, Jewel, Jewel, right? That's weird. Creed, Chili Peppers, Godsmack, Megadeth. Just like everyone who was anyone in the 90s is there. |
| Everett | I don't know if Megadeth was anyone in the 90s, but they were certainly someone in the 80s. That's a good, that's, that's an interesting. That was just me pulling out time capsule. We'll have to go check that out. |
| Andrew | Definitely watch it. And for anyone who was self-aware in the nineties and is now is, I mean, you need yourself where now it's an, it's an interesting look at like this cultural shift between Woodstock 69, the executive staff who was, who were the same executives who produced Woodstock 69, and their expectations of a music festival in 99. And you see this thing happening in 99. You're like, yeah, that's what's going to happen. Duh. Like, oh wait, no, that's that's different. It was it was interesting. |
| Everett | I'm going to check it. I'm looking forward to it. |
| Andrew | Do it. It's three. It's three episode thing. And so I think you can do it like three hours. |
| Everett | I've I've also I've got a music related other thing, Andrew. Wow. Look at us go. We're so cultured. I've actually got a podcast that I want to talk about, but I'm not quite there yet. Uh, I, I have not, I, I there's, I want to listen to some more of it before I talk about it on the show, but just fair warning, get excited. Going to be talking about a podcast coming up pretty soon. Uh, I used to own a pair of speakers, speakers that I ran through my computer made by a company called Edifier, uh, which makes really good audio stuff. That is not my other thing because I had a pair of Edifier 1280s, which are kind of a famous, affordable desktop speaker. They were really nice. They sounded really good, kind of big, Um, but just beautiful, lovely, great sounding speakers, uh, overpowered for anything I needed. And they got burgled a few years ago. Burgled. Yeah. I, my law office was broken into. Many things were stolen. Nose hair trimmers. Correct. Many important things. Uh, the least of which were my edifiers and my nose hair trimmers. Like it just wasn't a big deal. So. Um, not in that order though. Yeah. So I had these very nice speakers and I, I have not been able to bring myself to replacing them for a couple of reasons. They were big. They're, they're big. Um, each of them was probably, I don't know, five by seven by maybe 10, you know, they're big speakers. Those are like stage speakers. They're big, right? Oh, inches. They're big, but I mean, pretty big to go on your desk. So yeah, that's a that's a big desk speaker. And they're not expensive. It's like one hundred and fifty bucks, maybe a hundred. |
| Andrew | And they come in a pair, right? |
| Everett | You're not buying individually. That's right. They come in a pair. But I haven't been able to to bring myself to replacing them until this week. I had these Logitech speakers that I just picked up in the office. And they've been on my desk. They're fine, right? You can play music through them. Adequate. Yeah. Adequate. They're fine. They're fine. And one Mike Razak. I sent a picture of my desk to our little group text and one Mike Razak says something to the effect of, uh, Everett, I am scandalized to see basic pitch speakers on your desk because he knows I'm a thing. I'm a person who likes nice things. |
| Andrew | And you can't even imagine what was on his computer screen that Mike just looked right past. |
| Everett | Uh, and I was like, yeah, well I had the edifiers and they got stolen and blah, blah, blah. Anyway. Uh, I was inspired this week to find new speakers. Well, one will the watch clicker. |
| Andrew | Daddy. |
| Everett | Daddy. said, Hey, I've got these speakers called creative is the brand pebbles. Uh, and I think they're great. They sound good. They're affordable. Um, yeah, I'd recommend them. And so I quickly Googled creative pebble and I read a bunch about these and they're about a third to a quarter of the price of my edifiers. They're also pretty small. It's like they, each of them are, The size of like a fat can of soda. Like baseball? Softball. Okay. Yeah. Like a softball. Um, and reviews on them are generally good that, you know, if you get into like the deep audiophile neckbeard threads, people are like, Ooh, but you know, basically everybody else is like, yeah, they're rad. They sound great. |
| Andrew | That's universal for neckbeard sounds though. |
| Everett | So I picked up a couple, a couple of these, a pair of these, uh, just one pair to be clear. And they came in yesterday. They came in yesterday. I also, at the same time, had ordered a new dock, a Thunderbolt 4 dock, which came in just a day after my speakers. So the speakers came in yesterday. I hooked them up on my old non-Thunderbolt 4 dock, which is really kind of an underpowered dock. And they sounded not great. They sounded not great. They sounded fine. but not great because these are USB speakers and so they're powered through the USB. Are you getting, did you have Creative Pebble V2 or V3? V3. So, so I did get the V3s, better drivers, um, Bluetooth connectivity, not that I'll probably use that. Um, yeah, so I got these things, my old dock, they were unimpressive, kind of thin, kind of tinny, didn't love them. My new dock came in today with, you know, really sort of modern, powerful USB outlets, 10 gig on everything. And I plugged them in and they sound great. You know, I work in an office with other people, so it's not like I'm, you know, blasting the roots in the middle of the day or whatever. Right. But why not? You own the place. That's true. I do own the place. I could do whatever I want. However, in the spirit of professionalism, I do not do that. Um, but yeah, man, gosh, these sound great. I'm so happy that Mike made fun of my basic bitch Logitechs cause they were pretty crappy. Um, and now I have these new attractive, not basic bitch, although they still might be kind of basic, but whatever, I don't care. They sound great. |
| Andrew | Um, this is basic bitch like black coffee, no cream from Starbucks. Yes. Yeah. As opposed to like, 18 ingredients. Correct. |
| Everett | Yeah. Yeah. So it's an improvement. Uh, I'm really happy with them for desktop speakers. How much do they cost? |
| Andrew | 40 bucks. Yep. That's the one I was looking forward to. That's 40 bucks. Crazy affordable for speakers that are going to give you some ass. |
| Everett | Yeah. I mean, certainly enough ass for my desk at work. Yeah. I mean, there is way, they go up way louder than I have any business playing these at work. |
| Andrew | I think you're really, Positioning yourself to be the kooky partner who like this blast music who like no one bothers Everyone just like I just tribute to I play guitar I played the guitar in my open-door office in the middle of the day to unwind. Yeah You're there at 3 30 in the morning and no one knows why yeah Yeah creative pebble v3s |
| Everett | I will connect these to YouTube before too long and tell you guys what I think because I'd like to do that. To YouTube? YouTube? Bluetooth. Yeah. |
| Andrew | Did I say YouTube? You said YouTube. I meant Bluetooth. I was like, what happens on YouTube? That is, I don't know. |
| Everett | You know, I'm not the doctor. It's how we do. Uh, and that's it. That's all I have to tell you about until my podcast gets to the place where I can talk about it. It's just creative pebble v2s. That's what I'm talking about. I also bought a $300 doc, but I don't want to talk about it. |
| Andrew | Cause that's just, that's real basic bit shit. |
| Everett | I don't want to talk about it. |
| Andrew | We've done it. Episode 199 in the can. You know, next week when we record it's our 200th episode. |
| Unknown | Yeah. |
| Everett | Whoa. 200th episode. So if you're here an hour, six minutes in, And you want us to shout you out on the show next week. We should do something for 200. I think what you do, message us between now and then. Say what it is you want to say, and we'll figure out how to incorporate it. |
| Unknown | Yeah. |
| Andrew | That's a fuckload of hours you've listened to us. |
| Everett | It's a lot, you guys. It's a lot. It's kind of extra, frankly. Yeah. Yeah. Thanks. Thanks. |
| Andrew | And we're sorry. Yeah. Yeah. A lot of apologies. It's awesome. |
| Everett | Andrew, what do you want to add before we hang it up for the day? |
| Andrew | I added the thing. That was all I wanted to mention. This is $199. It's special. It's the end of an era. |
| Everett | End of an era. Last, last hundreds digit episode. Single hundreds. Yeah. Hey guys, thanks for joining us for this episode of 40 in 20 of the WatchClicker podcast. You can check us out on Instagram at 40 and 20 or at WatchClicker. Look, we post things there every once in a while. At least Will does. Uh, also check out the website. Really? That's the goods guys. Watch clicker.com. Always good shit on there. And you can check us out on YouTube as well. If you want to support what we're doing, and we really, really, really hope you do. Cause all this shit takes money. You can do that at watch clicker.com. Nope. Patreon.com slash 40 and 20. Uh, give a buck, two bucks, three or 20. It doesn't matter. We'd love to have your support. And frankly, we need your support. We need it. And don't forget to tune back in next Thursday for another hour of watches, food, drinks, life, and other things we like. Bye bye. |