Episode 197 - Then and Now

Published on Wed, 03 Aug 2022 21:02:49 -0700

Synopsis

This appears to be a transcript of an episode of a podcast about watches. The speakers discuss various watch models, including the Vostock Amphibian and Doxa 300 models, which seem to be popular and classic diving watches. They also mention the Marathon watch model as a classic diving watch and that the Marathon watch appears to be the one they are referencing.

Transcript

Speaker
Andrew Hello fellow watch lovers, nerds, enthusiasts, or however you identify. You're listening to 40 in 20, the Watch Clicker podcast with your hosts, Andrew and my good friend Everett here. We talk about watches, food, drinks, life, and other things we like. Everett, how are you?
Everett Uh, I'm doing well. Your, your beer opening today was like, uh, was like a well-trained Labrador taking a treat from your hands.
Andrew Just delicate, deliberate, excited.
Everett Right. Uh, no, I'm doing really well. I'm, I'm busy. I'm busy. We are, and it's not normal busy.
Andrew It's unusual that you're busy and it's unusual that you're working a lot.
Everett It's not unusual that I'm busy. Uh, but this is a different kind of busy. We are moving. We're moving our law firm. So my, my law firm is merging with another law firm and this is the week we're moving physically moving locations, which is a lot. It's a lot. Um, you know, it, and furniture and copiers, legal textbooks.
Andrew Uh, yeah, yeah, actually the law library that is in every law firm, the law library.
Everett Yeah. We, you know, it's interesting. We, we actually are maybe going to get rid of the law library because little known fact, you've got to pay property taxes on your business property and our law library is worth a lot of money even though we can't sell it. because no one wants it because it's 2022. And so, yeah, we just today talked about getting rid of the law library.
Andrew If you're willing to donate it, I would be willing to put a law library on this wall and then our background would always be your law library.
Everett Yeah, we should do that.
Andrew It would probably help with acoustics. Sam would be medium about it, but I'm pretty excited about the prospect.
Everett So yeah, there's just a lot going on. I mean, it's different than, and right, we can't, We didn't get the option to take the week off otherwise. So we're still working at a trial today. I have depositions tomorrow and Thursday.
Andrew Why didn't you just hire movers?
Everett Oh, we did, but you still have to pack stuff up, right? The movers don't pack things up for you.
Andrew You can pay movers to pack things.
Everett You can, but it's not the greatest idea, especially with like secure information. Anyway, we didn't. And so here we are. We're just... Your loss. Here we are. We're doing it. We're going to be out. Monday morning, new office, downtown high rise tower.
Unknown Boop, boop.
Andrew Nice. I mean, it's not high rise. Did you get a corner office?
Everett You better fucking believe I got a corner office.
Andrew Well, I didn't know if maybe like your suite was like in the middle of the building versus in one of the corners.
Everett We are in the middle. We technically have two corners, but the way it's laid out, we have three corners. So all of the named partners have a corner office. It's like Big Pimpin', man. This is like... I made it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah.
Andrew I mean, nothing changes, but no, you're in the same work except now you have to use an elevator.
Everett That's which sucks. Precisely. Yes. But yeah. How are you, man?
Andrew Good. I, uh, you know, as usual, at the tail end of my weekend, had a good weekend, got a lot done. I'm really good, though, because I made burrito tacos for dinner. Oh, yeah. Nice. Dude, those are the truth. So for those unfamiliar, Baria tacos, B-I-R-R-I-A tacos. And Baria is a South and Central American meat stew. But the taco version, you make the meat stew and then you use the consomme or the cooking liquid. You dunk the tortilla in it and you crisp the tortilla on the grill. Then you put the meat in with some cheese and some cilantro and onion. And it's kind of like a quesadilla. It is so good.
Everett Yeah, I'm a big fan. There's a couple of places in Portland that serve birria tacos.
Andrew No, it's birria and tortilla. Yeah. Yeah. So that's what I had for dinner tonight. So I'm like still riding that really yummy food. Oh, yeah. Train. And I'm I'm good. I got the boat into the shop today. Yeah. I saw the boat wasn't here. Yeah. I, I, I exhausted my capacity and inclination for marine motor repair. And I was just like, ah, fuck it. And I took it to them and they were like, all right, well, it'll be a couple of weeks. And I was like, all right.
Everett Can you leave your credit card on stock or on file with us?
Andrew They didn't ask for that, but I did have to leave the boat there. Oh, well, as these things go. So they do consignment sales. So I don't know really what my threshold is for a quote against just selling.
Everett Uh, yeah. I mean, what if it's a thousand dollars?
Andrew Oh yeah. It's a thousand dollars. It's nothing. Okay. Good. Good. Good. It's $10,000. Like I'm just going to buy a new boat. It's going to buy a new motor. Cause that's the thing. I think the threshold for repair is about three, maybe $5,000. Yeah. Cause it like north of that, I can just get a new outboard and like a brand new outboard and be good.
Everett Well, so this is the best time of the year to have a boat and the time you don't, which is sad.
Andrew Sitting on a blacktop lot.
Everett Um, well, very good, Andrew. I'm going to move us along because we are talking about watches tonight. We are, and we're talking about a lot of watches tonight. We're going to talk about a whole bunch of maybe, I mean, this is going to be like a just in terms of the amount of watches we're talking about. Maybe one of our biggest episodes ever. Perhaps. Perhaps. This is a show idea that came from a longtime listener. Someone who's been listening to the show for at least, at this point, three episodes, three years. His name is Brian. He's got a private Instagram and he's not like in the Instagram game. So I'm going to not identify him further than that. But Brian, thanks for the show idea. Great idea. Andrew, without further ado, do you want to tell us what we're talking about tonight?
Andrew I will. And I'm going to preface this with saying this was a hard... It's pronounced preface. Yeah. I'm going to preface this. Back of head, maybe? Preface this with, this was a hard topic for me. And now I'm going to introduce the topic. Then and now. Watch as I wanted then against watches I wanted now with them being replacement. I ish ish. Yeah. Right. It's not one for one exactly, but it's certainly like, Oh, I used to really like this watch. And then I found this watch. This is what I would get instead of that today. Exactly. They do kind of the same thing. This is what I would get instead of that. And that was hard for me because I've, I like all watches basically. Um, But when I want to watch, I want that watch.
Unknown Yeah.
Andrew And it was hard for me to find watches where I was really like, okay, I don't actually want that watch anymore. But this is a watch that I do want. Functionally replaces that watch.
Everett Yeah. Yeah. I went back and looked at, you know, Um, what my tastes were in 2018, you know, when we started doing this and, um, it kind of just explored the kind of watches I was interested in at the time and what I was feeling and was struck by how much is the same. A lot of those watches that I wanted in 2018, I'm still like, yeah, it's cool as shit. I'd wear that today. Uh, haven't gotten all of them. Most of them perhaps.
Andrew Yeah. Or having tried them and realized, no, this isn't for me. I don't want this. Or for me, my problem was that's not even a feel style function of watch that I'm even remotely interested anymore.
Everett Sure. Well with, with that amount, I think it's probably best just to kind of go through our picks. We've got a lot of them. We've got, we've got so six total, six total then and now combos, six total pairings, 12 total watches, three for each of us.
Unknown Yeah.
Everett So we're going to move through them. And then, and then I think it'd be nice at the end of this to kind of summarize, you know, what's changed generally, not, not just with the watches we're looking at in the show, but generally how have you developed in your watch, in your watch desiring tendencies? Andrew, do you want to kick us off with your first pairing, your first then and now?
Andrew I want to start with my first then, and my first then is the Boktok Amphibia. And if I'm being super fair and honest, this is still a watch that I dig. It's not a watch I think I'd buy anymore. Like if I came across one at a pawn shop for like 20 bucks.
Unknown Sure.
Andrew I'd pick it up. If someone offered me one, I'd buy it. I'm not going to spend north of $50 on this watch. Because I know this watch. I know it's super cool. It's a technological masterpiece. It's a low level masterpiece, right? We're not talking, you know, one of the high artist masterpieces, but we're talking something really cool. What's your, what's your now? I want to talk about this cause it's a cool watch.
Everett Let's compare them after the fact. I want to know your now. I want to know both watches so I have context.
Andrew So my now is the Doxa 300T. Uh huh. Uh huh.
Everett Well, so that's interesting. Did you find that most of your now watches were more money than your then watches? Yes. I don't think it's true for my selections today, but I did find generally speaking, as I thought about this, my tastes have gotten more expensive, which I think is to be expected. I think that we talk about that in this hobby quite a bit. So two Very different, but also pretty similar watches. Super similar watches.
Andrew Very vintage feeling. They have not changed since their introduction.
Everett Did you say 300T? Yeah.
Andrew Yeah. The Caribbean, if you're super interested.
Everett I remember this. We talked about this watch recently.
Andrew Yeah. It's not a watch I ever thought that I was going to want. And I've spent some time looking at it. It's a watch that I want, but both of them do the same thing, right? They're prospect, vintage, classically styled divers.
Everett Totally, that 60s, 70s kind of look. Both have tonneau cases. They're both, they're unchanged.
Andrew Well, I guess the Vostok, depending on the case. The 090 is what I wanted, which is that tonneau, barrel-y, the same as the Doxa case. They're contemporaries in that they were introduced at about the same time.
Everett Relatively, yeah.
Andrew And have never changed. You know, technology advances. The Boktok has not.
Everett The Doxa has, but eh, eh, ish.
Andrew Ish. And for me, it's not the money that makes the Doxa more attractive to me. It's the, I just like this watch more. It's not as quirky. It's not as weird. And maybe my, the change is like part of the charm of the Vostok is that it's Soviet and quirky. It's kind of broken from the moment you get it, but it still works. Uh, and there's plenty of other vintage inspired or not even, yeah, vintage inspired dive watches out there, but none of them have quite the same heritage as Doxa or even Vostok.
Unknown Yeah.
Andrew In that the lineage is unchanged, right? This is pure bloodlines from the beginning.
Everett Well, Doxa maybe, maybe not quite as much, certainly Vostok, but well, both of them have their stories.
Andrew So yeah. I mean, it's, it's there. I mean, and there's, you know, there's, there's bumps in the road and hiccups, but None come to mind that are quite the same.
Unknown Yeah.
Andrew And they do very much the same thing. But mine now is the 300T to fill that 70s feel diver void.
Everett Sure. I like that. I think that's a bit more on the nose than most of my picks are. Um, I really appreciate it for that actually, because it's really sort of, uh, on the nose is the word that is the phrase that's coming back to me. Uh, And actually, I'll just say, not to critique your selections, because that's not my intent here. The nice thing about those two watches is to the extent that you can get your Doxa 300T at some point, you can happily have both of them for almost nothing. If you start with the 300T, you can have both of those for almost nothing.
Andrew Of note though, when I was, I was thinking about this episode, I went to AM diver who does, did custom scuba dudes. They still do all, that's where I bought my scuba dude. They still do all Vostok cases and they don't have any scuba dudes.
Everett They're just the AM diver dials at this point.
Andrew Just AM diver dials.
Everett Yeah. Well, and you can still buy, I mean, you can still buy Vostok, so Merit on eBay, but yeah, that's interesting.
Andrew Or on Amazon. Um, the scuba dude that I liked was the black dial with the big orange scuba dude. It's a little bit harder to find. Still hundred bucks. So I'm going to more than I'm willing to pay.
Everett I'm going to go, I'm going to do my first one and I'm going to go out of order cause I want to, I want to disorient you.
Andrew You would do that.
Everett Uh, I'm going to start with my then pick.
Andrew Hmm. Of course you would.
Everett Scurfa diver one.
Unknown Okay.
Everett And without saying anything about that, I'm going to give you my now pick. The Marathon Pilot Navigator. Now, when you first saw this pic, Andrew, you objected.
Andrew I still, I continue to object because one goes under the water, one goes in the sky. It is inherently not a one for one then and now. So let me explain my thinking. It's like, I used to like the Camry, but now I like the Raptor.
Everett I used to want a Camry, but now I want a, now I want a dual outboard, uh, ski boat. Uh, so I'll explain it this way. The, as I was getting into collecting, so let's say 2016, 2017, I was really attracted to the Skrfa watch, and I still am, let's be clear, I don't dislike the Skrfa Diver I watch.
Andrew The D1 is one of my favorite dive watches I've ever worn.
Everett Yeah, yeah, it's a great watch. The Diver I, kind of the OG, I really like this watch, but the thing that attracted to me, the thing I was attracted about this watch is it's kind of a no-nonsense, designed by a diver, Made for, you know, a commercial diver. This is a commercial diving watch. It doesn't have any nonsense to it. It's highly functional. Built for harsh environments. Also intended to be beautiful and to wear well. Quartz. Movement. Kind of just a no nonsense. No frills. No frills. Dive watch made for divers. That's, I think that's the thing about the Scurfa that I find attractive. made by a diver, for divers, gets used in diving, a diver who's also like obviously a watch nerd because you don't actually need watches for diving. So that's kind of what was the appeal to me for the Skriffa Diver 1. Now, let's go to the Marathon Pilot Navigator. This was a watch I think that was commissioned for Kelly Air Force Base sometime in the 80s. So Kelly Air Force Base said, hey, we need a watch for paratroopers. Marathon designed this watch based on that request. It was issued. It is almost the exact same, maybe not exact, but a very similar thing to the Scurfa in that it was designed to be functional. It was designed to do the job. It was designed to do a job. This is a tool watch to the very essence of what we mean when we say that. Hmm. I think what, what actually you can take away from this then and now is the tool is the update to my tastes, right? This, I think this is emblematic of how I've evolved. I used to think the scurfa, the Seiko looking sort of no BS silver bracelet watch diverse mega water resistance was awesome. And now I think this quirky plastic dual, uh, you know, bi-directional friction bezel, 50 meter paratrooper watch is the shit. I would wear these two watches the same way, right? My skirt, if I bought a scarf, I would wear it as my kick around doing hard shit watch. And if I bought a navigator, I would wear it as my doing hard shit kick around watch. Turns out I don't even scuba dive, Andrew. What? Turns out. I looked. I reviewed the records. I don't scuba dive. I've scuba dived. Have you? Yeah.
Andrew I never have. My mouth was super sore afterward.
Everett I did a one hour class in a swimming pool. And I also had a tough time with my mouth. Like my jaw hurt.
Andrew We must've done that together. Did you do that in college with me?
Everett Maybe. I did it at the rec. Yeah, we did it together. OK. Memories. So, yeah, look, you know. On the one hand, you have Sirius 316 L. Mm hmm.
Andrew I believe. Which is the shit, right? Like that's the top of the line. That's the thing.
Everett And then on the other hand, you have resin. What I've said is, I've made a note here, playful plastic. I don't know what I meant when I read that. But, you know, also serious, but in my mind, less so. I kind of like that you're in on the joke when you wear that watch. I mean, it's not a joke. It's a serious watch. It's a paratrooper watch. But I kind of, I also kind of like that you're in on the joke. Like I'm wearing this cool fucking military plastic watch from the 80s.
Andrew That has an NSN, which is a cool thing. Yes. The NSN being the national stock number, which means theoretically, if you had a supply sergeant who was willing to take a risk, you could order it through the army supply system.
Everett They are not willing to take risks.
Andrew Don't nobody want to take that risk because they spend it like it's their money. It's not their money. It's my money, but they manage it. So I think I still take issue with
Everett This is you don't like how different the watches are.
Andrew But I think my my explanation, the explanation makes it a little bit more palatable.
Everett I'm out of the box.
Andrew Okay, you are out of the box. It's still a tool watch. And that's kind of that's what's grounding me right here and making me accept this position. Is it the surface tool watch and the surface cool as fuck. The marathons a tool watch. It's cool. But I think I think your your position on you know, the the water resistance, all steel moving to quirky plastic is a, is a acceptable then and now position to take. What do you got? Mine's a bit of a cheat. It's going to start there. My then. This is the Farrer Lander 4 GMT. Yeah. Forehand. no bezel, just a clean GMT. My now? It's the Manta Atlas. And the reason... I see what you mean by a cheat. But the reason it's a then and now is because these were two watches that I was kind of stuck between. It was a hard choice because I was... When you bought your Atlas, you were still there. Yeah, I was still there. I was in that what choice do I make? And now over a year later, I'm doing the like, okay, so I made this transition or this decision. What do I think? And I think I made the right decision. Yeah. And the big decision, the decision point for me is the case shape, right? They're both, super boring forehand GMTs with a date.
Unknown Mm hmm.
Andrew The blue is slightly different. Color schemes a little different. Yeah, but generally these are the same.
Everett Yeah. And that Farrah Lander 4, I mean, let's just say for the sake of for the sake of the show, the color on the dial of Farrah Lander 4 is one of the all time great dial colors in ever.
Andrew Farrah's color schemes.
Everett If not just microbrand watches, Certainly. Well, if not all of watches, certainly microgram watches, that dial is delicious.
Andrew Ferrer's colors are next level. I wish they would figure out a way to temper them because I don't need a hundred colors, right? In the Lander 4, in this iteration, that blue dial with the orange hands is their best execution of color, I think. But so many of their watches have like six colors on them. That's too many. Like, if I want a Solebs, I want a Solebs. I don't want that in a not-Solebs watch.
Everett This is, in my mind, the iconic Faro watch.
Andrew The decision point for me was the case. The Lander IV looks like a dress watch. It's got those narrow lugs, really elegant. Narrow, thin, which the Atlas also has. It's got great sweeping lines, but the Lander is a dress watch. with a fourth hand. And I wanted a sport watch. And I still, to this day, want a sport watch.
Everett Because all of your watches are sport watch. We know that to be true.
Andrew Yes, because that's what I want. That's the feel that I want. That's what I like. And the more boring, the more better. So give me the same case scaled in different sizes, black or white, and an occasional blue. But this was, this is, a then and now choice where it could easily go the other way.
Everett Yeah. Well, I don't, I mean, this isn't the, this isn't the like clear price differentiation, you know, it's not, I mean, there is a difference in 500 bucks more. I mean, I, I paid more money to get, but, but really you, you, I mean, there's no, nothing against the lander for it, right? It's not a cheap watch. It's not an expensive, like, this is a fantastic watch. So this is actually a physical, evolution of your tastes, which I appreciate.
Andrew Yeah. And I, I still very much like Lander four. And if I ever had like 1500 bucks sitting around, I was like, what do I have to do with this? The Lander four would, would be a choice. I probably wouldn't get the blue.
Everett Oh yeah.
Andrew I think I can go with the, uh, the midnight. All right. It's getting a little, little bit more color. Cause I can, I don't need it. I can have a little bit of fun in that. But yeah, that was my, that was a very real decision point then and now. Then the decision was between the two and now I'm very satisfied with the Atlas.
Everett And you know, kind of know more about what you'd want. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Next up for me.
Andrew Okay.
Everett Oh, are you not, are you not done?
Andrew No, fuck me.
Unknown I'm done.
Andrew What do you have next, Everett?
Everett Steinhardt Ocean GMT. This is a watch I really wanted. I can actually remember being in the kitchen of my old house talking to Kim about this watch and saying, you know, I think that this is kind of where I'm at with watches. This is a GMT watch. You know, if you look at it, you'll notice some similarities to other famous watches, at least one. specifically the one with the ghosty bezel I liked. I was just into this watch. Not particularly expensive. I think, you know, $750, something like that is where it was at. But I was pretty enamored by this watch at the time. The Ocean One GMT? The Ocean GMT. If you Google Ocean GMT ghost bezel, you'll see the watch I'm talking about. It's got like a gray sort of faded tropical bezel. My now, and this was an easy pick, I knew immediately what it was, what I would get instead. The Christopher Ward Aquitaine C65 GMT. And I picked these two watches, not because it was actually like a decision point or whatever, because I've never really considered buying an Aquitaine, but I did at some point very, very definitely consider buying the Steinhardt. And frankly, it's one of the watches that I wanted that I realize now I wouldn't have liked. I probably would have sold this watch primarily because it's an homage, and I'm going to use finger quotes for that. And by that, I mean, in my mind, I think that this is, for my own tastes, too close to the original. to be something I would enjoy wearing.
Andrew You would have enjoyed it for the moment.
Everett I probably would have, and then I would have sold it, and I wouldn't have loved this watch. I'm sure of it. For my part, the Aquitaine does the same things as the Steinhardt. Certainly more expensive, right? No doubt about it, the Aquitaine's twice as much as that Steinhardt. But with that, you get better movement, you get a fantastic manufacturer. Steinhardt's are very well built. I've handled them. They're super nice watches, but they're not over the top, right? I mean, they're nice. The Aquitaine's are really good, really good. And I appreciate that. Give me a better watch. Give me details that most people, many people don't care about. Give me that stuff. I want that. Feel, you know, Christopher Ward fixed a lot, Jorgen, Mike, working together, fixed some of my main objections to the C63. You know, in particular, that bracelet is so good. But really, when we talk about the delta between these two, Christopher Ward's doing its thing. And in a way that Steinhardt's not.
Andrew Yes. And that's the important differentiation there.
Everett That's what I want. That's what I want. I want a company doing its thing. And I want a watch that was created as its own thing. I think it's very, very obvious that the sea land or that the Aquitaine's are homages, right? But they're homages in the way that word is actually defined in the dictionary. Yes. And that's what I like.
Andrew Inspired by tributes to, not copies of.
Everett Correct. And so that's, I mean, maybe that's a little bit of a cheap pick here, and certainly I'm not trying to take the piss out of anybody's watch choices, but today in terms of my own personal evolution, that's where I'm at.
Andrew In the way of your own personal evolution, I remember early on when we would talk about Christopher Ward and the light catcher case. Is there ever a world that Steinhardt desiring Everett could imagine himself on a first name basis with Mike France?
Everett You know, that's a good question. Maybe not. That's pretty cool. It's fucking bizarre.
Andrew Andrew, we're cool. We're not. No, you're right. We're not. But we've tricked people into thinking that we could be. That we could be. And then they meet us and they're like, yeah, all right. It's tolerable. I think that's a really interesting pick. And I think that's actually maybe the the best then and now pick of our picks. Right. We've got we've got six total. I, the reason I think that's the best then and now pick is because I think the Steinhardt is a really typical new to the watch world, new to the hobby pick. Yeah. I think all of Steinhardt's line is because they're very, they're accessible, they're accessible, they're deliberate, really well made, really well made. I'm not comfortable saying replica. No, it's not a replica. But they're also not copies. They're not ripoffs. But they're not homages. They are somethings.
Everett And let's be really clear. You and I have talked about this a lot. We don't have anything against those watches. I'm comfortable speaking for you on this, even though you're here. Speak for yourself. But I know for me, and I think you probably feel similarly in this regard, I've gotten to a place where it's not something that I'm going to get joy out of.
Andrew Yeah. Because you want, if not that you want the real thing, right? But maybe you don't want the real thing. What, what I'm commenting on is the, is the appreciation of the creativity of the design of what Christopher Ward is doing. They're doing things that are uniquely Christopher Ward, right? They're taking cues and themes from these really iconic watches and they're using those as the framework to design their own thing.
Unknown Yeah.
Andrew You recognize like, Oh, I see where this idea came from. I know why they did this this way, but they still did it their own way. And that's the difference I think between a Steinhardt, any line, in any Christopher Ward. And I think that's why I would say that's the best pick. That shows the trajectory of I want all the watches to, I want all the well-designed, well-thought-out, cool watches.
Everett It's maybe the cleanest comparison between our six comparisons. It's cleanest, maybe easiest to digest.
Andrew It shows the evolution.
Everett Andrew, can we take a quick, just a quick moment because I've got a call to action for people. Okay. If we were to pitch Mike France on coming back on the show, what would you, what would you want Mike France to talk about? I'd like you to leave me a DM.
Andrew Slip into the DM. Slide into the DMs. Don't slip in. Don't slip in, it's bad.
Everett Slide into the DMs and tell me what you want to hear Mike France talk about if we were to pitch him on coming back on the show. Because that may happen. I'm going to have an opportunity to pitch Mike to come back on the show. What do you want him to talk about? That's all. That's our PSA. Call to action. Slide into the DMs.
Andrew He's going to come back. We would like to have a good idea.
Everett If you guys come up with good enough ideas, he may come back. Andrew. Final, final pick, man.
Andrew Have you done three already? No, you started. Okay. Yeah. So you have one after me. Okay. This one's akin.
Everett You did your thing where you kind of reached out to me and leaned in. Like I need you to stick with me for a second.
Andrew This one is akin to your marathon pick.
Unknown Okay.
Andrew My then is the citizen Nighthawk.
Unknown Yeah.
Everett That's a watch that I consider putting on my own list today.
Andrew It's a watch that I've almost bought more times than any other watch. I've almost bought it recently. Yeah. Full well-knowing that I won't like it. That's how much I like this watch. You would like it. You wouldn't love it though. I wouldn't wear it. Yeah. But full well-knowing that I would not wear this watch. I've still almost bought it. My now. And my now is very recent. The 39 millimeter Tudor Ranger. Very recent. Very recent.
Everett I recently had a Tudor Ranger in my hands on my wrist in front of my camera.
Andrew Would you like to go fuck yourself? You live a hundred feet from me. Yeah. And you didn't bring it over. The reason I didn't ask to see it is because I knew you were going to be here today. I had to give it back.
Everett I only had it for about 48 hours.
Andrew And you live a hundred feet away from me. I know you, we work different schedules, Bubba. I'm sorry. I, I, this is maybe an unforgivable thing.
Everett So we may talk about the 39 millimeter Tudor Ranger every single episode that we ever do from now to the end of the time.
Andrew Cause I think we're both totally enamored by that watch. Having not even seen it, thanks to, uh, you know, a betrayal of,
Everett Unspeakable proportions. Let me just say things, say quickly, before we move into your picks, because we need to talk about your picks and why you've picked them. I had the Tudor. I posted it on Instagram just to sort of tease people. I've got this Tudor in my hands. And, you know, I get all the typical like, did you buy or is it a loaner? You know, but also I got a lot of... Are we in with Tudor that we're getting samples? I also got a lot of, you know, It seems a little boring to me. It seems like kind of a meh release to me. I got a lot of that kind of thing. And it makes me, you know, these are people who I know and respect and like, and so I will try to say only nice things about those stupid comments.
Andrew Let's keep in mind that Tudor's last and most exciting release was blue. It was the color blue.
Everett You know, I think that this watch is not supposed to be exciting, right? This is, This is a watch that is defined by not being exciting, right?
Andrew Because it's meant to take along on exciting things.
Everett That's right. This is a watch that's supposed to be simple, clean, legible, and I'll tell you, just sneak preview, it hit. It hit for me. I really liked it. I didn't get the bracelet, which is something that I lament a little bit, but I really enjoyed that watch. And I think it lives up. I think it's great. Your picks.
Andrew I'm nothing alike, by the way. I'm entering the real estate market. I'm going to have a house for sale in about seven days. I'll send everyone the link. These two watches. They are not alike. Not alike. They are as dissimilar as the Diver 1 and the Navigator.
Everett Maybe more so.
Andrew No, certainly not more so. As. The Nighthawk is this purpose-driven tool watch. Everything watch. It has way more functionality than anyone, anyone could possibly use.
Everett It's the everything watch. It's an Apple watch. It's a slide rule. It's a GMT. It's got an alarm. It doesn't have an alarm.
Andrew It doesn't have an alarm. But it should.
Everett But it could. Yeah. You wouldn't be surprised to find out it had one.
Andrew It's wildly comfortable.
Unknown Yeah.
Andrew even for its size because it's a big watch. It's big. It's very comfortable. It's bracelet is off the hook. It wears big because it has to be, but it's a good big, it's a good big, it's a tool watch though. It's a go anywhere, do everything tool watch. You're not going to be worried about damaging it. You're not going to be worried about losing it. It's just, tool and you love it. And that's what I see the new release of the Tudor Ranger as. I always took issue with the 41 millimeter Ranger.
Everett Yeah, me too.
Andrew It was two millimeters too big to be a field tool watch. I would, I think even at 39 it's a, it's, it should be a 38 I think. But at 39, this can be a super legible, super functional, perfect tool watch. And that's what I want. I want boring, functional tool watch. Really well made, cool shit. I don't want it to be exciting. I don't need airplane GMTs. They're cool. I like them. A lot of me wants them. But I don't need them. And when I'm thinking about a watch acquisition, when I'm thinking about a two watch acquisition, you know, I've, I've worn the shit out of my Summitier, a 36 millimeter, no date sport watch.
Everett With, with, with very little on the dial.
Andrew With nothing. Yeah. Just enough to tell the time, you know, it's not like it's, it's not the Movado, just a diamond at the 12 o'clock. But that's about how boring I want it.
Everett Yeah. So, so I, I see two really obvious takeaways, uh, confirm or deny. One, you want a less complicated watch. Confirm. Two, you want a nicer finished watch.
Unknown Confirm.
Everett Yeah. I mean, that's, you know, you, you mentioned that my, my, uh, Steinhardt to Aquitaine was the best comparison. I think this might be the best comparison. I mean, I think that you really are able to draw a lot about it, a lot about your taste of evolution from this from this comparison.
Andrew Yeah, I still love the Nighthawk and I still love all the shit that the Nighthawk comes with. It's an Apple Watch. But I want it to be boring when people are, oh, it's kind of boring. No, that's what that's the best. That's what it is. We don't need Easter. on every watch. I understand the trend for Easter colors right now. I get that it's there. I don't understand it in that I, why, but I get people like it. No, give me black. I could do with not the faux Tina loom.
Everett Yeah. You know, it's, I'm not a huge fan of faux Tina loom as, as you know. Uh, I found it to be tasteful and inoffensive.
Andrew If you put Trit on this, like Tritium tubes on this, then it'd be a ball. I think probably ball and tutor are comparably finished.
Everett I bet tutor's better finished. I was really stunned by the finishing on this watch. I wish I could have seen it. We're talking about very, very marginal returns. I think, uh, yeah, I really like, I really like those.
Andrew But that's my, my then and now tool watch is, is my, my then was the Nighthawk and my now tool watch is the Ranger. And honestly, like I kind of, I kind of grappled with what the now is in the tool watch. You know, I'm thinking Pelagos, I'm thinking Ranger, I'm thinking, you know, an Explorer or a ball even. And I came to the Ranger because it's so perfectly sized. It's. It's just it's the one that's the replacement tool watch for the Nighthawk.
Everett Final pick Everett go do me. Uh, this was my first. This was my first one, so I, I, you know, like I said, as we prepped for this, I kind of went back and looked at, I went through my notes as we prepared for the show, like things I'd scribbled out and things I was just things I was interested in, in 2018. That was, that was actually my starting point, looking through my notes from 2018 and a watch that I saw come up a couple of times for myself, the Stova Marine Classic and the 40 millimeter iteration. Uh, you know, 40 and 20 is the name of the podcast. Obviously when we started it, uh, that was kind of, at least where my head was at, and I think you were kind of the same, right? 40 is the way.
Andrew And in fairness, 40 was kind of the smallest watches you could get at the time.
Everett That's right, yeah. And I think that's kind of what we were saying with that, that smaller is better at the time, or at least something like that. You know, if you don't know what this watch is, you can Google it. It's a Marine watch, right? So white dial, heat blue hands, Uh, I can't, I can't remember what you call these hands. I think they may be Breguet hands, but, um, you know, this is just a classic Marine watch, clean, legible, beautiful, well-finished. The stoves are fantastic. Right. Um, and I saw it and I was like, Ash, that's interesting. It keeps coming up. I wouldn't buy that watch today. A hundred percent. I'd never buy this watch. Not because it's bad. Uh, not because there's anything wrong with it. But I just know it's not from me. And... Because it doesn't have a bracelet. Well, neither does this. Well, this next watch I'm going to pick, I probably wouldn't wear on a bracelet either. But here's my now pick. A 1950s Universal Genev pole router, 35 millimeters with a micro router. That's what I buy instead of the Stoba. Um, more, more expensive, but not a ton more expensive. I mean, you can get into a well into a good condition, UG pull router for under two grand. Um, any of the stoves I think are 1200.
Andrew So I found a sixties edition for 200 bucks. It's got five days left on eBay though.
Everett You should buy that. Um, I should buy that. So, oh yeah, it's gorgeous. That's gorgeous. We've talked about the pole router recently. Yeah. You know, you know, I'll tell you the pole router is, is a, is an interesting watch because the pole router can meet a lot of things. I like the Genta twisted lugs, classic sporty pole routers. I also like the pole router diver. I can't remember what they call that. Pole router sub, I think, um, with the asymmetric case, but the pole router, the standard, jenta twisted lug pull router i think is just a fucking stunning watch they're affordable right and i say that now and they're becoming in the last year significantly more expensive maybe last year and a half so harder to get so so what's the difference right the stova 40 millimeters uh kind of legit Uh, not a micro brand, but something in between, you know, big brand and micro brand. They're kind of in that middle ground. Uh, and the UG, this like classic designer bona fide, interesting movement. I mean, really micro rotors. I love micro rotors, small, actually classic. If I'm going to get. the marine classic watch, or, I mean, these, obviously the pull router is not a marine watch, but if I'm going to get something in that vein, I know what I want. And I, what I want is classic dress watch. And there's a couple of other watches you could sub in, maybe a vintage 60s Seamaster. I mean, there's a handful of things that you could sub in, but my instant reaction was, nope, I don't get that. I get a pull router. And, and I think that this pick, sort of displays another part of my collecting tendencies, which is the lesser known kind of under the radar, but totally legit. Awesome watch. That's a not, not hypey sleepers sleeper. This is my sleeper, a UG pull router from the fifties. That's a sleeper, man.
Unknown Yeah.
Everett Dope watch. That's a watch that like a watch dealer from New York is going to see on your wrist and be like, That's fucking cool.
Andrew At a distance.
Everett That's right.
Andrew Like across the room and it will approach you and be like, how much? Yeah.
Everett I'll buy it off your wrist. A five foot two man with with like curled locks is going to be like. And a man bun. Yeah.
Andrew That's what they look like now.
Everett And you know what? This was the easiest for me, right? Scurf a Diver, one marathon navigator. That's an easy change. I could go either way. Steinhardt Ocean One. OK, I wouldn't go either way. But this one, it's just easy. Never buy the Stova, buy the UG every day.
Andrew And it's because the Stova, like it, it's cool, but it's personality-less. That's kind of the issue I've had. I have with like Nomos and with Stovas and even Zen to some extent, there's nothing there. There's no... You're going to make people mad. I, you know, I love those watches, but there's not personality there.
Everett Or at least you're not acquainted with the personality in a way that, that feels familiar.
Andrew Maybe, maybe that's it.
Everett I don't mean that as a criticism. It's just not an obvious personality.
Andrew Maybe that's it. Cause I, I've, I frankly don't see much of a difference between this Marine and an easy reader.
Everett Yeah. Yeah. It's a reasonable thing. I mean, same can be said for the pole router and maybe from a distance, but no, I don't think so.
Andrew I mean the pole router, at least the, you know, this example that I'm looking at with sector dial, I mean, twisted lugs, there's a lot of design language there that comes with personality. And I don't, I don't want like Easter, but I want design language unique to a brand.
Unknown Yeah.
Andrew I want to be able to recognize like, Oh, I know whose work this is.
Everett So Andrew, if you had to summarize, if you had to summarize your, so not just with the watches you picked, you don't have to draw it directly from the inspiration of the episode, but if you had to summarize your general evolution in your collecting tendencies in 10 bullet points or less.
Unknown Hmm.
Andrew biggest thing that has changed in my collecting tendency is I've gotten a lot more deliberate. The hunt has become a lot less like my scope has narrowed. I don't necessarily know what I'm looking for, but once I grab a thread and I follow it, maybe another thread weaves in there. I still like all the watches.
Everett Do you think that's, do you think that's a byproduct of you being more familiar with the landscape or do you think that's a byproduct of you being more familiar with your own, with your own desires?
Andrew I think it's with my own desires, right? Cause the landscape is still endless. There are still even watches from major brands out there that I've never seen, never heard of. And I come across them and I'm like, Oh shit. I like you. But becoming familiar with what I want out of a watch has been the refinement. I know I don't generally want something over 40 millimeters. But if I come across something that's north of 40 in like a pilot iteration, I'm like, oh, it's a thin, it's a thin watch. It's got a short lug to lug. Might be a little slabby, but I'm okay with that. understanding what I'm looking at has influenced what I want.
Unknown What else?
Andrew I now also recognize the value of finishing.
Everett That's a big one, right? It's hard. It's hard to understand that.
Andrew You know, when we started this and we're looking at sub $300 watches, of which there are many, and of which many are awesome. When compared to more expensive watches, objectively, the finishing is just not as good. They could have the same movement in them and be $1,000 delta between them, and I'm comfortable with that $1,000 difference.
Everett Yeah, that's an interesting observation, right? Like, we now, both of us, understand some of these hidden values. Like, why would I ever spend that when I can buy this? And we've both gotten to places where we were like, yeah, I get it.
Andrew Right? Like, even if you spec them up side by side, objectively, these are the same watch. A three-hand with an SW200. Let's not even say applied indices. Let's just say painted markers, right? We're not doing anything special. One's 300 and from whoever and one's 1500 and from a brand I know, right? Cause that's a, that's important to brand brands, you know, and trust like, I know their finishing is good. I've seen their finishing. I've compared it side by side to watches that are far more expensive and still they're finishing, comes close, that finishing, that the casework is, is really the, the delineation. That casework. Yeah, I agree. Yeah.
Unknown Yeah.
Andrew That's, those are the big lessons learned for me. And then now exercise.
Everett I told you 10 points or less. And then right after I said that, I counted my points. I've got 11. I got three. Yeah, but yours were all over the place. Uh, so one, obviously for me, I'm comfortable with more money, which is not to say all the watches I want are more money. In fact, going through my list today, the C65, obviously more money than the Steinhardt, but the Stova and the UG, maybe about the same, a little bit more for a UG probably.
Andrew The Veyr was on and off my list. Today is now.
Everett Yeah. Like it's not that I need to spend more money. It's just that, but generally speaking, my tastes have trended up. Quirkier designs. I'm more comfortable with the way I want watches to be weird than I was. I like very classic designs, especially underappreciated ones. Sizing, I've changed. I like big watches and I like small watches. I like small watches, really. And I like big watches. I'm wearing a 43 millimeter white label Seiko diver today.
Andrew Shrouded case, like just a
Everett Fuckin' love it. I want nicer shit, man. I want nicer movements. I want nicer finishing. I want nicer shit. I know I want tapered bracelets, and I won't buy bracelets that are not tapered. That's a weird one.
Andrew No, that's an important thing.
Everett Not into homages. Less into GMT, more into chronographs.
Andrew I find myself way less into chronographs and far more into No bezel GMTs.
Everett Yeah. Interesting. Uh, more into cool movements. I've always kind of liked cool movements, but I'm even more into cool movements. And then finally more into brand heritage than I ever imagined I'd be.
Andrew After we've had an entire episode talking shit on it.
Everett Yes. Yeah. I'm, I'm just, I can just admit that I'm more into it. I want that. And that's it. That was my 11 points.
Andrew I think the, the brand heritage, Our episode was on, does it make it more valuable? Like, do you get to charge more, more money because your brand is older? I stand by our position that you don't, you shouldn't get to charge more money just because your brand is older. It doesn't make your brand more valuable. It does give you a deeper catalog to draw from. It's cool as shit. to have an unchanged pilot's watch that's 70 years old, that the only thing updated is the technology fueling it. Better finishing, better movements. Doxa is the same way. I talk shit on Doxa a lot. Doxa has a watch and they made a brand around it with a deep catalog. Yeah. Yeah.
Everett It's cool as shit. Yeah. And then, you know, the Jenny family I think is, is making a run at making that brand bigger. But yeah, it's a good point.
Andrew It's cool as shit because they, they have a thing works and they're working it. And that's where brand heritage is value to me, valuable to me.
Unknown Yeah.
Andrew It's even valuable in zombie brands. Like Toxta. Yeah. Well, or, you know, take your pick of zombies, you know, where they get access to this deep catalog of cool shit to bring forward to update and to innovate with, but still retain that coolness.
Unknown Yeah.
Everett So did we do it?
Andrew Did we do it? No, we never have.
Everett We never did it, but I think we're going to stop talking about it anyway.
Andrew We did our very best.
Everett Andrew, It's your obligation every week to bring another thing that you're into right now. And I trust you've done so this week. What do you got?
Andrew I didn't come prepared. So my other thing this week is something that I've been. I mean, I've only had it for a year or so. A hot tub.
Everett Fuck, I want a hot tub.
Andrew I never, in my wildest dreams, could imagine myself buying a hot tub. They're expensive, they're hard to maintain, they take up space.
Unknown True, true, true.
Andrew False, false, true. Okay.
Everett Sure. They're cheap when you buy a house that has one.
Andrew Even when you... But their maintenance, so the upfront expense is there, yes, except. Actual cost of maintaining and difficulty of maintaining, no. Negligible. Some YouTube videos and you got it. Right, keep it a lowish temperature, it's gonna run. It has a cost, but so does your dishwasher, and you don't manually wash your dishes to save money. So mine is my hot tub. I love this thing. I've, I've been using it this summer with the water temperature down. So it's not cold, right? I'm not taking cold baths, but I was popping in there like a 94 degrees, like just a little warm, like just soaking in it. It's terrific in the winter sitting on the jets. I'm telling you like all the normal aches, that I had just ooze away. It's the most relaxing thing. The kids love it. It's like a perfect short date night activity. Like you just, let's go sit in the hot tub for 90 seconds, 30 minutes at most. Yeah. Well, yeah. Two minutes. That's about my 30 minutes. The jets are on a 30 minute timer.
Everett You're getting a little graphic. I'm just going to be honest.
Andrew You're getting a little graphic. So I was looking at, our hot tub because our hot tub was bought by the previous owners of our house and clearly secondhand. And it was, and I say that now because I was looking at some things like to do some personal maintenance on it. And I was like, Oh, that's broken, but fixed with bubble gum and paper clips.
Everett This hot tub is clearly older than our house.
Andrew Yes. So I was like, Oh, look at the prices of hot tubs. It's behind an email wall to get this brand of hot tub pricing, which means you have to sign up for their newsletter to have access to their pricing. And at the top of their list, it's a $20,000 hot tub. And it's like, I'm totally cool with my fucked up hot tub. God damn. I get down to my, I get down to my model. I'm like, Oh, 5,000. Okay. Like that's, Oh, whoa. Just the enjoyment I've gotten out of a year and a half of a hot tub made me emotionally acceptable to a $5,000 price tag.
Unknown Yeah.
Andrew If, if that's not the selling point of, if you have space for it, you will enjoy a hot tub and $5,000 will be like a shoulder shrug.
Everett That should be it. And used as an option. You can buy used hot tubs.
Andrew Yes. I've enjoyed my hot tub so much that $5,000 price tag brand new prompted me to not bat an eye. Yeah. That's my other thing. Did you buy another hot tub? No, I did not buy a new hot tub. Um, but my other thing is just how much I love my fucking hot tub year round. I love your hot tub too.
Unknown Yeah.
Andrew I use it. Everyone loves my hot tub. My wife has girls nights at the house where they just all come in and sit in the hot tub. Yeah. It's a big hot tub. I dig it. It's a five, person hot tub. The nice thing about this model and it's so the model I have is a it's a Sundance. Why can't I see the model? A Montclair 780. It's probably about 15 to 18 years old. The nice part about this one is it has a lounge seat. It's by design. a seat to lay down in and the seat opposite it is also a seat, but the jets are positioned such that it's a foot massager when you're laying down in the lounge seat. Nice. Yes. Um, but it gets you around use and I love it. It's super easy. Like maybe 30 minutes of YouTube videos and like about water chemistry. And about a week of tinkering. Trial and error. And then you're there. And it's just tinkering, right? Cause everyone's water is different. You just tinker with it and use your test strips and tinker and use your test strips and hit it with some shock every time you use it. And it's just money. It's so easy to maintain. I don't know how much it costs. Well, yeah. Electrically. Cause that's just, it's always been there in the house, but my power bill is not, it's less than it was in my old house. So. You know, that's a thing.
Everett Yeah. Andrew, I've got another thing. Do me. I, I picked up about a week and a half ago. I picked up a small set of dog. Well, so I got a dog. That's not my other thing. Uh, my dog's name is Larry. He's amazing.
Andrew I forgot you had him. He scared the shit out of me when I went into your house the other day.
Everett If you DM me, I'll shoot you pics and you will love it. Larry's fantastic, but not my other thing. No, uh, about a week and a half ago, I was looking for something to do with the kids that wouldn't be super expensive and be kind of quick. And, um, we've got within two miles of us, Andrew, within a mile of us, we've got, or maybe a mile and a half, we've got two disc golf courses. And if you, if you're both 18 holes, right? One of them's nine. If you expand the radius just a little bit further, we've got like 10 disc golf courses within, you know, maybe 20 miles. And, uh, I've never played disc golf. That's not true. I played once.
Andrew I played it with you.
Everett I played with Brian and Tommy and I was there.
Andrew Yeah. Yes.
Everett Uh, and I had only ever played once and, and, uh, you know, it's fine. It was fun. It's fun. I know how to throw a Frisbee. Did you buy discs? I have now bought three sets of discs, three bags. And I'm playing disc golf, man. I have been, so I'm not good. In fact, I'm the opposite of good. There's this app that I'm using called Udisc. And if you look at the scores for the course I play the most for the week, it's like 70 scores that have been entered in the last week. And I make up like eight of the last 10 scores. And I don't have anything above that.
Andrew It's mostly transients that play at that course too. And they're good.
Everett Good transients. I'm having a blast. So I've talked about this on the show, but I run. I run every day. I never miss a day.
Andrew Even when you had COVID.
Everett Even when I had COVID, I ran every single day. I have not missed a day of running since October 1st. And before that, I'd run three and a half years in a row without taking a day off. So I injured my knee. I didn't run. And, and, you know, I'm like on something like five years of running without missing a day, except for when I had a torn meniscus.
Andrew So I run, uh, I, when you had surgery for your torn meniscus, because it wasn't just right.
Everett That's right. Uh, uh, you know, questionable decisions aside, um, I've been running while playing disc golf and it takes me about a half hour to play 18 holes, maybe 35 minutes. And I'm basically running the entire time. Uh, I'm just loving it. Like I think so disc golf is cheap. It's not expensive. Most courses are free. Some courses have a very small fee. But just go to the free ones. Discs are cheap.
Andrew Go to play it against sports or something you can get a full because tons of people pick up disc golf and they buy the full kit and they're like this is actually really stupid hippie shit. I'm not going to continue to do it.
Everett You may not need a bag if you don't want one. You should get a bag because
Andrew You should. And I have probably three discs.
Everett And I have a bag. But I don't when I run, I don't carry the bag. I'm just loving it, man. I think it's super fun. When you run, are you just taking one disc? I take two.
Andrew Okay. Yeah.
Everett You're playing a putter and a driver? A putter and a midrange. Okay. Yeah. So it's different. I didn't really know what to expect. And I've learned a bunch about this in a week and a half. But I didn't really know what to expect. There's different discs, they go different distances, they have different shapes. And weights. And some of them go left, some of them go right. You know, you have overstable and understable. There's some jargon that's a little bit of a pain in the ass to sort through. Lots of jargon. Like any sport, there's lots of jargon.
Andrew That wants to legitimize itself by seeming cooler than it is.
Everett Well, maybe. Yeah, yeah. That's a cynical way to talk about that. But yes, that's maybe not untrue. Uh, but once you kind of get through that initial, like, and it doesn't take very long, uh, man, I am loving it. I have played in a week and a half. I've played like 10 rounds. Um, and it's like this, there's no pressure. It's not, you know, it's not like golf where you've spent 80 bucks plus, you know, another 40 on balls and 30 on a cart and beer. Uh, it's super low pressure. It's enjoyable, you're outside, you're exercising.
Andrew You also can't drink on disc golf courses because they're, at least in Eugene, all on Parks property.
Everett Vodka, Nalgene, go.
Andrew If you want. I want Silver Bullets. If you want.
Everett Silver Bullet, Nalgene, go. Accept. Fair enough. But I don't know what to say about it, right? I'm not going to try to talk you into playing disc golf at home. I think if you have courses, maybe just try it.
Andrew If you've never tried it, you can play with a Frisbee. It's a fun activity.
Everett Go, go, go somewhere or go to Amazon and buy something, a mid range or a putter. One of those two, if you, if you just want to have one. Now I will tell you, I have lost a bucket load of discs. I'm losing less. And I think as I move forward, I'll lose less, but I've probably lost about $80 in discs. In a week and a half. The course I play is very heavily wooded. It is. I'm familiar with the course you play. You are very familiar with the course I play as a law enforcement officer.
Andrew Uh, we've got, we've not been able to find people in there with dogs and, uh, thermal optics.
Everett It's on BLM land. There's lots of trees. There's lots of blackberries. Uh, you can get lost there and, and discs can get lost there, but I think on a more open course, you'd be less likely to lose discs. Anyway, all that to say, not expensive, really fun, super enjoyable. You can do it with kids. I've taken my nine and 10 year old and they had a blast.
Andrew They were talking mad shit on how good they were too.
Everett Not true. I'm going to tell you right now, not true. Whatever they said, not true.
Andrew I know, I know, I know.
Everett But super fun, recommend. And Andrew, that's all I got. We're at an hour and 10. I feel like we could keep going. We could just talk about disc golf or we could talk about transients on BLM land.
Andrew We could also circle back real quick. Can we? It's okay to taste change. Then and now it was a cool exercise for me. Thank you, Brian, for the, for the show idea. It was a cool exercise for me to look back at the watches that I have liked and frankly continue to like against the watches that I feel are more appropriate for what I like now. It was cool.
Everett I liked it. I liked it a lot too. Uh, and, and, and to your point, right? It's, it's neat to actually like face yourself, right? To visage the differences in your collecting styles. And you know, this hobby is so dumb, right? Uh, but to the extent you're going to engage in the hobby, it's interesting to be able to take a look at that. I think it's harder for guys like us, right? It's harder for guys like us that don't flip watches. Many of the people in the hobby, we've talked about this a lot. Many of the people in this hobby are flippers. And so real time, right? You know, they're constantly able to observe. You know, we buy very few watches every year. We keep the watches we liked. And so there was some difficulty, right? It's like, well, I still like all these watches. All the watches I own, I like. I don't buy it until I love it.
Andrew Right. And then I love it and I'm not partying with it.
Unknown Yeah.
Andrew Even watches that I have that I don't particularly love anymore, I'm not partying with because I loved them once. It's that like 80 year old marriage. And they're not valuable enough to sell. That's part of it. But it's also like, yeah, I fucking hate this old lady because we've been married for 90 years. But also, you know, I love her. She's my bitch. Yeah, that's my, this is what I got.
Everett So, you know, that's what I have. Andrew, anything else you want to add?
Andrew I don't.
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