Episode 195 - Two Watches; $20,000 (with Will)

Published on Wed, 20 Jul 2022 23:20:55 -0700

Synopsis

This podcast episode discusses the topic of choosing two watches with a budget of $10,000 per watch, excluding certain popular brands like Omega, Rolex, Seiko and their subsidiaries. The hosts Will, Andrew, and Everett share their selections, with Will choosing the Jaeger-LeCoultre Polaris Automatic and the Zenith Chronomaster Original. Everett picks the Zenith Chronomaster Sport and the Piaget Polo S. Andrew selects the Cartier Santos Medium and the Doxa 300T Caribbean. They analyze the features, value, and suitability of their choices, and discuss the appeal of these watches within the given budget constraints.

Transcript

Speaker
Andrew Hello, fellow watch lovers, nerds, enthusiasts, or however you identify. You're listening to 40 and 20, The Watch Book, a podcast with your host, Andrew and my good friend Everett. Here, we talk about watches, food, drinks, life, and other things we like. Daddy, how are you?
Will Daddy's here. I'm back. Not solo this time.
Andrew Not solo. I have to say, I tried to talk you out of doing that because I could not imagine doing even a five minute monologue to share with the people by myself and you killed it.
Will Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Going into it, I was like, this is going to be 10 minutes long and everyone's going to be like, why they even bother? I was surprised that I was able to talk that long.
Everett You went like 45 minutes, right?
Will A little under 40, I think like 37 or something.
Andrew Yeah, it was awesome.
Everett It was well done.
Andrew And we needed it because we were both in a way.
Everett That's right. Yeah. We were sick. We were sick. Um, well in any event, welcome back. Glad to have you back on the board. Glad to have you back on the show with when we're here.
Andrew It's nice to have everyone together. We don't get together often enough.
Everett The gang's all back together. We've actually never met Will in person, any of us.
Andrew He does it on purpose, I think.
Everett Yeah. He, uh, you know, we met Will recording an episode of this podcast and at the time, At the time, none of us really anticipated that we were going to have a website together and a show and that three years later we'd have this happy marriage.
Andrew It works for me though.
Everett Yeah, it works for me. Is it okay if you ask me how I'm doing? Everett, how are you? I'm fine. I'm a little, you know, as usual, I'm a little grumpy that you've You've chosen Will to be your good friend, but that's okay. No, I'm great. Everything's sort of back to normal, meaning I'm super behind at work and don't have time to do anything at all. So, but I'm doing really well. Andrew, how are you?
Andrew I'm super good. The World Athletic Championships are in town currently. So with that, it means that there's big crowds. There's a lot of excitement. And through Sam's work, I got to go to a session of the World Athletic Championships. So last night I got to go see women's discus, the women's triple jump finals, the men's 3000 steeplechase final.
Everett That was a good race.
Andrew That was a great race. Uh, men's high jump finals, women's 3000 finals, and one of the tathalons. Hep tathalon. Was it the hep finish last night? Yeah. So they, I got to watch the 800 meter final race. And it was so cool. Yeah. I'm like, I'm, I've never been anti or pro track and field events. They, I've just been always perfectly medium. This is the first large scale event that I've ever been to. It's first time I've been to Hayward since the renovations been done. It was awesome. I loved every second of it.
Everett It's, it's a totally different thing. Uh, actually you guys at home don't know this, but Will, Editor-in-chief Daddy Will is actually a huge track and field fan. He never shuts up about it.
Will I was going to say, I actually got to watch my kids run around the house for an hour straight. So it's pretty much the same thing. Pretty much the same thing.
Andrew And I'm sure they covered more than 3000 meters and it's far more, there's a lot more obstacles in your residence than a steeplechase. It's like a Spartan race.
Will I was throwing obstacles at them and making it more fun.
Andrew It's a tough mudder if you include the backyard.
Everett Well, gentlemen, we're here. We've got a mission tonight. We're here. We're going to talk. We're here to talk about watches as per usual, as per the usual. This is actually a topic. I believe this is a topic of Will's creation. This is a Will proposal. So we're obligated to do it. We actually hated the fucking idea, but here we are because Will is the boss. Sometimes you do things when your boss tells you to do it. That's right. You just do them. You say, okay,
Will We got it. And you don't complain about it.
Everett We understand the assignment. We won't complain. Here we are. But what we've done here, well, actually, why don't you, Will? You can do the honors.
Will Yeah. So we're going to talk about watches, but we're going to talk about some watches because there are stipulations to this topic. So everybody goes on about a one watch collection, two watch collection, et cetera, et cetera. So we decided to go with a two watch collection, but Why not just make it a boring two-watch collection? Let's make it a little interesting. So what we did is you can have two watches up to $10,000 each. So $20,000 total, but you can't exceed $10,000 for one watch. And it cannot be an Omega, a Seiko, a Rolex, or their main subsidiaries, which would be Tudor and Grand Seiko. So taking all the super popular stuff off the table to keep us a little more creative.
Andrew Wait, we can't do Tudor or Grand Seiko? Nope. I need a minute.
Will Too bad, Andrew. Back to the drawing board.
Everett Yeah. And I think this is a different exercise than I've ever really, I mean, this is beyond any sort of two or three watch Andrew and I have ever done. I mean, this is really, at this level, you start to get into, you know, dream watches perhaps a little bit at that.
Andrew But also not, this is in the five to $15,000 price range is really interesting. Yeah. Because there's, there's a lot, but like the, for me at least like the real dream watches, the super unobtainium, those start above like $15,000. There's, there's a bit of a, I think a gap when you start thinking like you have your, your normal tier luxury watches in the, in the five to $15,000 range. But then you've got your next level shit and they've got some stuff in like eight to 10. But a lot of that next level shit really starts in like the 16, 18 zone.
Everett I was finding a lot of stuff that I was kind of interested in at the 10 to 12 range, certainly retail. Um, yeah, that to get under 10, it was a little tricky. So we did have, we did stipulate that we're talking street value. So if you can find a retailer that will sell it, um, that, that place. So, Some of these watches may regularly be more expensive if you buy them from the manufacturer or if you buy them from, you know, at a boutique or a gallery, they may be more expensive. But the stipulation was you have to be able to get these for under 10 grand. So.
Will And it and it has to be actually available.
Everett Yeah.
Will So not a not a discontinued watch. Right. That's right. So current be able to be able to buy it new at somewhere.
Andrew Not just like new inbox occasionally on eBay.
Will Right. Well, yeah. And I, I went, I think we talked about this when I was looking at it. I didn't look up what watches can I get for 10 is I just picked my watches and saw if they fit into that category. And I was, I was happy to say that, uh, I'll talk about the one, the first one that I picked and had to actually go down a little bit because I stayed in the family. but I had to remove a complication to stay in the budget.
Andrew We'll land it. Let's start. So we're going to do, usually we go round table and we do like our draft picks. But for this exercise, we all agreed that it made more sense for each of us to talk about our pairing of watches. So, Will, let's hear it. What you got?
Will All right. So I'm going to say what I started with. and then what complication I had to remove, but I'm happy with what I landed on.
Everett You removed a complication, I like that.
Andrew I have about nine watches I'm gonna discuss, so talk about what you need.
Everett Keep your damn small seconds.
Will So I was gonna go with the Polaris Chronograph, but that was a little expensive, so down... I don't know if I wanna call it a downgrade. I went down, removed the complication, to the Polaris Automatic, which is the three-hander that's got the dual crowns. So it's internal rotating bezel, compressor style, whatever you want to call it. And I went with the blue dial. So that's reference number for the people who want to look it up. Q9008180. It's that rad electric blue too. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I love it. I tried on the black one, man, four or five years ago and just absolutely loved it. And if money was no object, I would go out and buy that chronograph today. Um, but I still love the, the three hand automatic. I think it's such a cool, I don't know if you'd call it a dive watch. I mean, it is, I think it's only got a hundred meters of water.
Andrew It's not, not whatever, but it's not is. Yeah. Yeah.
Will Yeah. But it's, it, it's a very good sport watch. Um, that I think you could probably put with just about anything and look cool doing it. And it'll, it'll pair well with what my second pick is to fit into the, we can get in to any occasion type thing.
Everett Well, before you move on, let's talk a little bit about the JLC. Cause I think actually this watch kind of puts a point on what you can get at $10,000, right? So first we've got, we've got Jaeger LeCoultre, which is You know, this is they're a player, right?
Andrew This is here's the problem, though, at ten thousand, you're not getting it on a bracelet. Yours is yours is what? Ninety two. No bracelet.
Will It is. It is eighty two dollars on the bracelet.
Andrew Eighty two on a bracelet. All right. Yes, sir.
Everett And you're getting you're getting pedigree like haute horology pedigree. You're this watch is not maybe haute horology, but that's, you know,
Andrew But it's within the family.
Will It's close. Yeah. It's close.
Everett Yeah. You're getting a killer movement. Which movement does this watch have in it? You have to remind me.
Andrew It has.
Everett This was briefly on my list.
Andrew It was on my list too. They don't have the name of their movement.
Will Oh, the 898. They just go automatic winding components 195.
Andrew JLC caliber 898. Yeah.
Will Yeah, there we go. And it's a good looking movement too. It is.
Everett in-house, super sexy, semi-skeletonized, sort of see-through rotor, hand finishing, full deal deal.
Andrew It's a cool cutout in the rotor.
Will Yeah. I like that also, they keep it pretty thin. It's about 11 millimeters. And even with the exhibition case back, it's not a 13 millimeter watch. And it's 41 millimeters wide for those who don't know. I mean, that's Perfect for every day. Um, you know, it's going to, I think it's going to carry some significant risk presence at 41 because it's a lot of dial because of that internal bezel. But those numerals, they're so good.
Everett Yeah. I really like, I really like the, so this is the one with the memo box logo at the top, right? No, this has the JLC logo, Craig, right?
Will Yeah. This is, this is the no date.
Andrew Will doesn't like dates. Yeah, he's anti.
Will Dates or no dates, I can take it or leave it on just about any watch.
Andrew Yeah.
Will Doesn't bother me either way.
Andrew This is the 8180 reference?
Will Yes.
Andrew Oh, they asked me for their feedback, for my feedback on their website experience. Thanks, JLC. 11.2 thickness, though, even at 41, this is going to have wrist presence, but it's still going to be really sleek.
Will Yep. It's going to slip under the cuff. Yeah.
Everett So what are you going to wear to top your cuff? What are you going to, where are you going to pair this with Will?
Will All right. So I was originally going to go with the black dial Polaris, but then I was like, nah, based on my second pick, I was like, I need to go blue. Got to have some, some color. And you guys know about blue dials, right? We do.
Andrew You like blue. It's pretty okay.
Will Yeah. It's blue. So for my second pick, um, I can't, I can't live life without a chronograph. So I'm going with the, Zenith Chronomaster Original on the bracelet. So get ready for the reference number. Here it comes. 03.3200.3600.21.M3200. So this is the El Primero Original, or sorry, Chronomaster Original with the El Primero movement. It's the black dial that has the tannish lume on it, which You guys know me. I'm not I'm not a big. Aged loom fan, but for whatever reason, I feel like it works with this watch. I'm not sure if it's the like the fonts and everything that they chose, but the whole thing just looks like someone lifted a watch from the 70s and made it brand new today with age.
Andrew I think it's because the age loom is really subtle. It's it's just gently aged. It's not like the brown nonsense age loom. It's also pretty small loom plots. And this is also a watch that was on my, on and off my list over the last couple of weeks planning for this.
Will Yeah. Yeah. And it, I think that's what it is, is that the loom plots are pretty small and the three and the nine and the six are not there at all. So, um, you know, they're not there, but the best thing about this watch is that it's 38 millimeters. So, I mean, for a chronograph with that movement, at 38 millimeters, and it is, I think it's like 13 thick. And that includes the crystal, I think. So that's pretty solid.
Everett Yeah.
Will And it's got that cool El Primero movement where the chronograph hand ticks, what is it, 10 times a second, I think. I don't remember off the top of my head. And then it's got the high beat movement for the The main timekeeping. Yeah.
Everett It's just a great watch.
Andrew This, this watch was, this watch was on and off my list and what removed it from my list was the 50 meters of water resistance.
Will Yeah. That's the only killer. When I was feeling, that's why I went with the JLC. I got my water watch.
Andrew Yeah. But that was when I was filling this void, the void that I was looking to fill, I needed more water resistance than this. So let's talk about the pairing. We've got the JLC automatic, should be a chronograph, but isn't, which you rectified with the Zenith El Primero, which is not the El Primero, it's the Chronomaster, but it's the El Primero movement. Let's talk about the pairing.
Will The real pairing here is that the Polaris has polished outside links on the bracelet and the Zenith has polished center links. So that's That's really what it's all about right there.
Andrew Perfect compliment. If I could take one bracelet and put it on the other, it's like it's a perfect watch.
Will Yeah, exactly. They might fit. You never know. I would certainly try if I own both these watches just to see what happens. I don't think the finishing would match, but I think it's hard to go wrong with these two watches at you know any budget i think even if you're shooting higher if you said twenty thousand dollars per watch i might still land on these two watches uh... just as i've always love that i've loved the polaris family in general but uh... i didn't know about the chronograph for a while i was thought it was just automatic with the one they call automatic for the longest time so it was my first love of the polaris family uh... and uh... i mean the zenith If you want all the cool stuff about watches, history, the movement that's inside it, you know, look, style, everything. I mean, that's got it. And I really love chronographs. And if I wasn't going to have my Speedmaster, which, you know, we excluded from this list, this would definitely be it. I don't think I mentioned the price on it, but it's 9,500. So right at the top there.
Everett Brand new from the website, too. So that's you can get that boutique experience for under 10 grand.
Andrew This is arguably the coolest chronograph in existence.
Everett Well, yeah, I mean, in terms of in terms of automatic chronographs, it was along with Seiko right there at the beginning, right there at the beginning, has continued to improve it without getting weird at the
Andrew I like what you've done with brands here.
Everett I think that these are two, you know, so, so just a little bit of context. I'm not sure we've said this yet, but, but one of the concepts here that was floated is these are like the exit watches, right? You're going to, you're going to dump the collection. You got 10,000 per watch, go get two watches today. And this is what you're stuck with. And I think in that context, this, these are great watches, right? You're going to, you're going to be able to do everything you need to do. Um, size on both of these is great. Uh, brands are great. And you're going to qualities.
Will You're going to be happy with them. That's right. That's, that's what it comes down to, right? You don't want to just pick an expensive watch because it's an expensive watch. You want to pick something you're going to like, and, If I could walk away from anywhere with these two watches or one of them, I'd be a happy boy.
Andrew When I think you nailed it in the like, I'm not looking for a $10,000 watch is one of the things that I found myself looking for is like, I need to spend more money. I'm leaving too much of this budget on the table. Yeah. You didn't leave much budget on the table. You left what? Like 2000 on the table?
Will Close to it. Yeah.
Andrew About 2000 on the table. So you like, you really stretched that budget, but without going to the, I need to find something that's 9,800 bucks. And I need to like, really, I just need to exploit the fact that we need to find a couple of dollars, a couple of watches that are as close to $10,000 without being sold. Either of these are one watches.
Everett Yeah.
Andrew Like these, these are storied watches with like chops to them that are not just expensive watches. Cause, cause we could probably all find some like MVMT watch in the $9,000 range. I'm sure they exist.
Everett Yeah.
Will Yeah, I mean, it's going to be I was. I was surprised that the the Chronomaster was the price that it was, because when I first clicked on to that family, the first thing that comes up is the sport, which is the one with the ceramic bezel and the three different subdial colors. And that is over 10. And the next one is no.
Andrew The next one's like their boutique exclusive, which is like forty three thousand. Yeah, I was like, maybe I shouldn't be looking at Chronomasters.
Everett Well, I think actually, Will, you've just presented a perfect segue for me. You just presented a perfect segue for me.
Andrew Andrew, do you mind if we leave you to last? I'd like to go to last because I'm going to talk about a lot more watches than both of you.
Everett OK, so my first watch, my first watch, and we picked these in the dark, right? We didn't bounce these off of each other. In fact, just now is the first time we've heard Will's watches. And this will be the first time
Andrew that Will and Andrew have heard my watches, but I shared mine because I was feeling really insecure with my choices.
Everett My first watch, my first watch is also by Zenith and it is also a chronomaster and it is a chronomaster sport available today, right now on world of luxury.
Andrew Oh my gosh.
Everett For $9,900. So perfect. We we've talked about this watch, but you chose the wrong one.
Andrew You just sent me the link because I'm not going to search.
Everett I've got the white dial tricolor black bezel on a bracelet. So I will send Andrew a link. This is, I think, the Chronomaster Sport. Obviously, the black dial is the Chronomaster Sport. It is in there, too. But this I really love this watch. Uh, for all the reasons that we've already just discussed here, here's my notes about this watch.
Will Hold on real quick. I just need to say what this watch actually is. Okay. This is the watch for people that have taste. And I'm talking to you, Daytona people.
Andrew It's $11,000 on the website. So it's not a huge cheat.
Everett It's 9,900.
Andrew I'm sending you guys a link right now, but I'm saying from, I got the link from Zenith directly. It's $11,000.
Everett So here's my notes on this watch. Iconic movement, right? We've already kind of been over this, but this is a totally, absolutely high quality, iconic movement, 36,000 beats per minute. It's also a completely modern sport chronograph. And I say that not in compared to any other major players, but this is a watch that was released just a couple of years ago. all the finishing, all of the design. This is an evolution of one of the greatest chronographs of all time in a completely modern package. 10 atmospheres of water resistance, great size, 41 millimeter case. Zenith DNA throughout, right? This watch is 100% a by-product of Zenith's watchmaking chops. There were some accusations when this came out that this was kind of a Daytona clone. And I think from a top-down view, you can understand why people say that. I think it's a fair comparison to make. With that said, if you get an opportunity to see this watch in person, or if you can even just play with it, you can see that really, once you get past that top-down, once you get any sort of angle on the case sides, or you look at it from the bottom for sure, you can see that this watch is pure Zenith DNA. The case profile in this thing does not look anything like a Rolex.
Andrew No, but it's a three subdial chronograph, which means it's a Daytona ripoff.
Everett Well, yeah. I mean, I think the comparisons are more astute than that.
Andrew However... They are, but at large, how many three subdial configurations can you really come up with?
Everett So I love the date window on this. Yes. I love the tricolor registers. I love the exhibition case back with that beautiful, beautiful movement showing off. Um, yep. And, and I really love everything about it. I will say I don't love the clasp. I like the bracelet. The clasp is clearly a Rolex knockoff. Like, it's just undeniable that it's a Rolex knockoff. That kind of bugs me. It's like, here's the NF, do your own clasp. We'll love it. Just make it not look like a, you know, whatever the Rolex, what's the word I'm looking for? Their modern dive clasp. Glide lock. Glide lock. They've done a glide lock here. And that's disappointing to me. But other than that, I just think for 10,000 bucks, if you can find this thing for 10,000 bucks, and you can right now on World of Luxury, do it.
Will Dude, I mean, this is... Why can't I find a picture of this clasp?
Everett You know, I don't know. I've seen a few reviews of this and the clasp... I mean, you'd be forgiven for thinking it's a Rolex clasp at a distance. It is one-to-one, which is, you know, for a company like Zenith, I think that's problematic.
Andrew Yeah, they could do better. They should do better.
Everett Do better, Zenith. With that said, I still picked it. I think this for 10,000 bucks and right at 10,000 bucks, this, this is the chronograph for me. I'm a chronograph boy. Like, well, this is the one for me.
Will I, I, uh, both, both our Zenith picks have 430 date windows. However, I like mine a lot more than this one.
Everett You, you like the date window on this, on the original better than the one on the sport.
Will Yeah. It's cause it's tied to the original. It's yeah. It's kind of, I think it's a little bit closer to like the original Chrono Master, which that's fine, but I just like how it's, I don't know. I like how it's cutting off part of the dial in a way. It doesn't feel like it's floating as much.
Andrew It feels more deliberate when it cuts into the, to that chapter ring there. It, the, the one on the, uh, on the sport on Everett's pick is wholly independent of that. And it feels it feels like it's floating. I think that was a good description. I think it's cool. I think it's more 70s. It just has that that cool like we're going to throw this here. And because it's here, we need to create some space for it. And they cut into the minute track.
Will Yeah. Oh, I found the clasp. Yeah, that is definitely Rolex looking. It does not have glide lock though. I see micro adjust holes on the side.
Everett Yeah. Well, so it's kind of a bummer. It looks like a glide lock without the benefits of a glide lock.
Andrew Got you, bitch.
Will Yeah. You could probably throw a glide lock on there. I bet it would fit.
Everett You know, I will say one advantage to this over the Daytona, for instance, is... You can buy it today. You can buy this. You can buy this watch. You don't have to get on a wait list. You can get a dope best-in-class, super historically significant, top-of-the-line modern chronograph from a classic horology company today.
Andrew It's really noteworthy too that in the three of us with having a pretty unlimited budget, I mean a budget of $10,000 is the sky, all had this chronograph on our list. At least, I mean, you two picked it and It was on and off for me several times when trying to work out a pairing. Yeah, that's noteworthy.
Everett It's sort of right there at that. I'm sure that they do that deliberately. They understand the market and they understand where they should be and just kind of the pinnacle.
Will It's funny because I feel like a lot of people don't think about Zenith when they're looking for a watch. You don't hear it come up in a lot of conversations. It's because it's funny that we, we all picked it.
Andrew It's North of Omega and Tudor and Rolex. It's North of there, but it's still in the, in the realm of they're, they're in, in the door is a little bit North of your MSRP in the door of, of these other brands. But truly what you're paying is right in the neighborhood.
Everett Yeah. You know, with a company like Zenith, you're still getting sort of mass production type of, of, production. So you're not getting anything truly hand finished. You might get some hand finishing on this movement. I'm not a hundred percent on that, but you're, you're still getting a mass produced watch, which I think it's, it's a little, uh, at some point you have to, um, you know, make a decision. Like if you're going to be spending, uh, a small fortune on a watch, what is it? What are the things you actually want? So, This is a weird space, kind of like you were talking about earlier, Andrew. It's a little bit of an awkward place to buy a watch. It's not enough money to get hand finishing, anything truly haute, but it is right there where you're going to get top of the line, mass-produced watch technology.
Andrew Yeah, and it's a little too much to get into that $1,200 to $1,500 range that has really good watches, because you're like, I'm not going to leave $8,000 on the table.
Will Yeah. Okay.
Andrew I wonder what these watches go for at an 80, uh, 9,800 at the world of wonders or wherever you're looking at it at.
Everett It's $11,000 on the website. And I think you're at about 11 for the sport at an 80 before discounts or whatever they're given.
Will Yeah. Yeah. That's what I mean. I wonder what kind of discounts you can get. I wonder if it,
Andrew I bet you're getting close to like ninety nine ninety nine thousand ninety five. Yeah.
Will Yeah. Prestige Time has my Zenith for eighty five hundred available today.
Everett Yeah. Now you're now you're in like you're going to get a nice croc strap for that thing, too.
Andrew It's not just CNS NATO's for you.
Will Yeah. We've got some money left over. All right. Pick number two.
Everett Let's hear it. Fair warning. I've already told you guys that you're going to hate this pick. But I love it. But I love it.
Will Of course you do.
Everett I picked for my second watch. So I really wanted something dressy for my second watch. I'm a huge fan of, as you guys know, the Chopard Alpine Eagle. but I couldn't get it in the budget. I couldn't get it in the budget. So I found what I think, what I thought at the time I picked it was the next best thing. And as I've explored this watch, it may actually be stealing personal Everett market share from the Alpine Eagle. This is the Piaget Polo S. So Piaget has made a watch since the, so Piaget obviously famous jewelry company, also got some watch shops. They have, Piaget, since the late 70s, been making a sport watch called the Polo. This watch was designed by the company namesake, and it was, if you look at the original 70s and 80s Polos, this is very much of the time. The Polo S came out, I think, in 2016. And when it came out, you're correct. When it came out, there was a little bit of sort of general grumbling, you know, okay, this is a Nautilus look like, um, you know, just some grumbling. I will say, if you go back and look at Piaget's catalog, they're drawing on a, the lineage of the Piaget or the, of the Polo, but also some of the other watches in their collection, in particular the Imperator, With that said, it's undeniable that there was an aesthetic that they were after with this, and that aesthetic was the Nautilus. You'd be a fool to try to deny it, and I can't imagine even Piaget would deny it. What you get, however, for a street value, I could find $9,000, $8,895 for this, is a really, really, really gorgeous case. Piaget, typically a precious metal company. I think currently this is their only steel watch. So the finishing is just, even from a distance, stunning. You're getting a great size. I think these are 41 millimeters or 42 millimeters, but 9.4 thick. So you're getting kind of a big watch, short lug to lug, 36 and a half lug to lug and 9.4 millimeters of thickness. This watch is going to wear like a super premium.
Andrew And you got 36. I mean, it's going to wear super small.
Everett That's right. They, they not using an in-house movement for this. They call it, I think, uh, a manufacturer caliber, but actually what it is is a Cartier movement, the MC 1904 movement, which is, a chronometer capable movement, edikron, uh, edikron adjustment, um, just super high end chronometer grid balance that can be adjusted by, you know, any watchmaker to be in cost spec, uh, and, and, and the movement's been finished. So they've taken this Cartier movement and finished it beyond anything that Cartier does with it.
Andrew Yeah.
Everett Um, 100 meters of water resistance. So a true sport dress, sport watch, um, great dimensions and the, and the bracelet is really stunning. I'll say there's one thing I don't like about the bracelet, which is there's no taper.
Andrew No, you don't. I was going to think it was a butterfly clasp and I don't like the butterfly clasp.
Everett So you've got a 21 millimeter to 21 millimeter bracelet, which I think is going to be a little awkward. Um, and a butterfly class. However, the, finishing on the bracelet and the clasp from what I can see is better than anything else under $10,000. This is a truly high end, uh, Piaget being really a jewelry maker. This is a jewelry grade piece of, of horology with a really dope spec on it. I love it. I think for nine grand, if you can find this thing for nine grand.
Andrew You can get it on jumbo shop right now for nine grand.
Everett Link in the show notes.
Andrew Uh, man, I love it. The Englage on the on like the 130 of the bezel is dope. It almost creates like a heart shaped bezel without being heart shaped. It's still very square, very Nautilus square. But the angles that they create with the beveling across that bezel is dope.
Everett Kind of a TV dial. Yeah. True to Piaget's historical catalog. As much as this watch is clearly meant to capture some of that Nautilus market share, I think Piaget has done a really good job. And also just this is our watch. Yeah, it kind of looks like that watch, but this is actually our watch.
Andrew So this watch is something I came across and moved on from because their website has it at about 12 grand. Right. And I didn't think to find watches that I liked and bargain hunt for them. Which is kind of your M.O. Whenever we do these prices, you're like, all right, I found this on eBay. There's three of them, which means you can get them on eBay.
Will I would be very curious to put the finishing of this up against the JLC that I picked, because when I was doing some research on the Polaris, everyone talks about the case finishing on it. Yeah. How just bonkers good it is.
Everett I think that that's both of these companies games. I was really, I was really happy to see that you went with the JLC because I was looking at that same watch for the same reasons. Everybody says, Hey, look, you're going to get this and just be blown away.
Andrew Oh, I think that's unique to, I mean, JLC does a really uniquely good job as a watch company finishing watches, but Piaget and Cartier both make sense. Piaget and Cartier are both jewelry companies who also happen to make watches. And because of that, their finishing is
Everett Fucking phenomenal. I think you see that comparison a lot. Piaget, Cartier, and also Chopard gets dumped into there too. Yeah.
Andrew Because that's what they do. They make jewelry. This is a jewelry piece that has also got some watch chops and is dope.
Will Yeah. I don't hate this pick as much as you think I do ever. No, I'm down with it. Man. I would never buy this watch for myself in a million years, but this watch, I can see hanging out on your wrist.
Andrew Do feel free to buy it for Everett. I won't.
Everett Yeah, that would be fine, Will.
Will No. Listen, listeners, you need to up the Patreon contributions if that's going to happen by 10 million percent.
Andrew Everyone's going to have to double their contributions for the next three years. It's totally non obligatory, but definitely mandatory.
Everett I will say, you know, I didn't expect this episode to change my plans for watch purchases in the next, you know, five years. And I don't think it has.
Andrew I have said, you got some questions about the AE now, huh?
Everett I have said that an Alpine Eagle, I'm gonna, I'm gonna purchase an Alpine Eagle at some point. I want to try this Piaget on before I do that at this point. I know I love the Alpine Eagle. This watch does similar things. Um, And I just, I need to try it on. I think I won't like the bracelet. And I'll tell you, if I could have found it, if I could have found an Alpine Eagle under $10,000, that would have been my choice here. But I'm really, really enamored by this watch.
Andrew Find the guy who ran it over with his lawnmower. Yeah. Okay.
Will Well, I think that's actually... I like this more than the Alpine Eagle.
Everett You do.
Andrew Interesting. Yeah.
Everett Yeah. That's interesting to me too.
Andrew This is a good segue for mine. Let's do it. So my first pick. is home watches, women's watches on the Cartier website, because the Cartier Santos medium is on their website as a women's watch. It's perfectly sized. I think we've all, Will, you've had a medium on your wrist before, right?
Will Uh, I don't remember what size it was. I'm pretty sure it was a medium.
Andrew The Santos medium is perfect. I know you've worn one cause we've worn it at the same time. So it's the Santos de Cartier watch. It's the medium size. The Santos watch medium model. First ever wrist watch. Yes. First ever wrist watch. First pilot's watch. It is insane to me that this is only 6,800 bucks. That this watch hasn't been able to keep Cartier prices way north of that just with the urology chops but this is my first pick and and it's my first pick for a lot of reasons number one it's a true sport watch right 10 bars of water resistance on a bracelet three hand movement it's a no date but this is very much a go anywhere do anything it's got the water resistance it's got a square case so it's a little bit dressy on a bracelet. It's very sporty. It's got the, oh, what's the jewel I'm looking for? The blue jewel. Is that topaz? Maybe? Sapphire. It's got sapphire on the crown. It's very decorated. It's coming from a jewelry company. It's finishing is off the hook. So this is it. This is the cornerstone of my to watch collection.
Will I dig it. Let you spin it around on their website. You can just spin this thing around forever.
Andrew I've been spinning it for a long time, but a hundred meters of water resistance.
Will I'm going to sign off from the show guys and just spin this thing around for a while.
Andrew I've had a lot of private time with it. But a hundred meters of water resistance for a dressable watch like this is kind of unheard of. Yeah. Right. This is, Yep. By modern standards, a dress watch. Yeah, I think so. But it's not, it's a pure to its core sport watch. And I, the Roman numerals really help in the dressiness, the kind of, the super plain dial outside of the Roman numerals really help with that. But the heat blued hands, it's just, it's fucking gorgeous. We all know the Santos, we all love it. This is my first pick and it's my cornerstone.
Will You know, when- This is the, this is the only, watch with Roman numerals that I like because it just works for some reason. And they put the Cartier text in it. It's in the, in the V, the, you know, the V of the seven, which is so cool. You know, I only watch with Roman numerals that I like.
Andrew The tank and the Reverso are our two watches. I mean, basically Cartier's line is where I take issue. I wouldn't, I wouldn't kick a crash out of bed. I'm just saying, I would, I, I'd do some bad things to a crash. I just could never justify buying a crash because it's so obscure. Um, but the Reverso is dope. Um, but the Santos is, is, is like really just peak shit for me. So it had to be my pick and it's, it's my, my first pick.
Everett And then this is what, and I'll just say, look, before you move on, I'll just say this watch was on my list and I couldn't do it because it felt like if this is walk away and it's, I'm spending someone else's money, I can't, I can't leave four grand or three and a half grand on the table. I just can't do it.
Andrew That was hard for me.
Everett Yeah.
Andrew Right. But I think that's kind of where the diminishing return conversation comes into this and we don't have enough time to really have it, but I was comfortable leaving money on the table.
Everett I pretended I was spending Will's money and I'm, I was not comfortable leaving it on the table.
Andrew I'm comfortable leaving money on the table. I'm going to, I'm going to run through a couple of watches that I considered. Okay. Do it.
Will Hold on. Before you do that, before you do that, You could go for the two tone and spend $9,950. There you go. I don't want the two tone.
Andrew I don't want it, but I appreciate your input. I bought the two tone.
Everett I tried the two tone on when we were in, when I was in New York, I went to the boutique with Debbie and we tried on watches for an hour and it's my only boutique experience ever. And it was.
Andrew I want to go on a boutique date with Debbie also. Yeah.
Everett Yeah, you should. She's a terrific boutique date. Guys,
Will or the chronograph, which is apparently a mono pusher.
Andrew I don't want that. I don't want that. We'll stop. Okay. So my, my next pick, and this is, I was, I was kind of settled on this pick. It was the Porsche design chronograph one, all black. They're available. They're available for pre-order now.
Everett Just, just announced, just re-released 96 50. And this is the, the,
Andrew The Orphina, right? This is the 1972. This is the Top Gun watch. This is the shit. It's all blacked out. It's fucking beautiful. I love it. It's a chronograph. Ninety six hundred bucks. And I'm like, man, I've filled it out. I've left less money on the table. But I was like, I felt uncomfortable. And this is the watch I texted you guys. And I was like, I feel I'm not sold on this because it's not I don't feel like I'm even if I'm spending Will's money or if I'm spending your money. I'm like, I don't know. This doesn't do it for me. I thought about the, uh, the Blancpain 50,000, 50 fathoms, right? We're at another 10 grand. We're at another beautiful dive watch. And I love it, but it's just, it's not it. Real talk though, when we first did this exercise and we didn't fully exclude subsidiaries, the Pelagos was my second watch pick with all that money on the table. I'm talking Santos and Pelagos. That's my two watches walk away. I can dig it. All that being said, my second pick, the Doxa 300T Caribbean. Really? That's my second pick because it's such a perfect compliment to the Santos. The four grand?
Everett Uh, if. If? 3,500?
Andrew Yeah. I don't, hang on, back up, back up.
Everett It's a great, it's a great pick.
Andrew And I love... 2000, 1890 for the 300T in blue. That's my pick.
Everett That's your walkaway dive watch.
Andrew With a $10,000 budget. This is my compliment to the Santos. It gives me all the tool watch, like not dressy, not sport capabilities that I want that compliments the Santos. I don't need a chronograph. I would like a chronograph, but I don't need one. That's a third watch. I'm totally good with the Santos and a diver leaving. What are we at? A full $10,000 on the table.
Everett Will you get to go to Disneyland again this year? Sweet.
Andrew That's it. Thanks Andrew. I struggled with that choice. I'm struggling with that choice because I want to spend more, but these are the watches that I want it under $10,000. Maybe that'll change, but I'm totally good with the Santos and a 300 T, which is a great watch.
Everett It's a watch we've talked about on the show quite a few times, so we don't need to belabor it. Uh, well, let me, let me ask you both a question cause I know what my answer is to this question. So if you could swap one of these watches with a, readily available, but, but, but previously exempted watch. So we're talking Seiko, Omega, Rolex and subsidiaries. Do you know exactly what it would be?
Andrew Andrew? Snowflake Explorer. Okay. And MRRP values, right? Cause we're not getting under 10 grand for actual value, but Snowflake Explorer, we're getting in under 10 grand each.
Will Will? Um, If they ever decide to make it a little bit smaller, the Speedmaster Racing.
Everett Oh, yeah. Geez, Louise.
Will Yeah, I just wish it was. I wish it was. I wish it was in the regular Speedmaster Pro case.
Everett Yeah, because it's 44 on that guy, right?
Will Yeah, they made it big. Yeah, it's it's it's big.
Andrew Do they do they fill it out, though? Do they slab it in it? Or is it just fatter?
Will I'm trying to remember. I last time I saw one was a few years ago. I don't remember what the sides of it look like. Um, watching my wrist used to have one and I think he got rid of it because he said it was big.
Everett I know for me, um, you can get a black dial explorer for under trend 10 grand or not explore a black dial Opie for under 10 grand. And I think that would be, that would be 36, 36 millimeter black dial Opie brand new 9,500. You can buy them. Yeah, you can buy them today. So
Andrew Theoretically, if you go to an AD and wait three years.
Everett No, not an AD. I mean, they're less than that AD. It's like a $6,000 watch, but you can buy them gray market for under 10 grand. Yeah.
Will Yeah.
Everett Brand new box and papers.
Will I wonder, I wonder if this exercise would be fun to do again, but with, would you take one $10,000 watch or two $5,000 watches? And I think I know which way Andrew would go.
Everett Yeah. Pretty easily.
Will Yeah. Yeah.
Everett I think I know which way I'd go.
Will I don't know which way. I don't know.
Andrew I go both ways and that's the problem.
Everett Yeah. I'm so happy with the Speedmaster. I'm so happy with the Speedmaster as a chronograph that I feel pretty confident I could find a second watch for $5,000 that would do the things I needed it to do. I'm wearing it actually. The Monta Triumph, right? This every time I look at one of these nine and a half millimeters steel sport watches, I come back to the triumph and I'm like, this does that. Obviously you don't get the same sort of cache or whatever, but I would ever, do you probably know this?
Will Cause I feel the same way about my speed master. And if I had to pick a second watch to go with it and ditch everything else, it would be the black Bay 58. Yeah.
Everett Yeah. Which is just such a great watch. Right.
Andrew Would you go blue again?
Will Yep.
Andrew Yeah.
Will The only, the only way I'd ever ditch the blue is if they came out with a regular black dial white loom plots.
Andrew Yeah.
Will I don't think they will though.
Andrew No. The new Ranger though is, uh, I don't know. That's a dangerous watch.
Everett So, so our, our friend Henry, who's local to Eugene has in the last two weeks picked up a, so Pacific North watch on Instagram in the last
Will I'm curious to see what more people think about the Ranger because the 12 and 60 guys did a review of it and we're really not a fan. They said it was kind of boring, didn't really see the point of it. So I'm interested to see as more reviews come out.
Andrew That's going to be a really glowing review from the 40 and 20 guys, because more boring is more better for us.
Everett It's totally boring, which is the appeal of that watch.
Will Yep. It's it's a sport watch for or sorry, a tool watch for people who want a tool watch.
Andrew I want a number two Phillips driver. I don't want anything special. Yeah. Three inch shank. Yes, that's it.
Will While we're on the topic of our this, though, before we move on. I asked Frank what his two watches would be, because I wanted to get our senior writer in on this. And his picks were very interesting, and he did not get anywhere near the budget. Neither did I. Well, wait till you hear it. I almost had to check with him, like, dude, you realize how much the watches you pick cost, right? So his first one was the Casio The Bluetooth version.
Everett Okay. I think he's taking a piss.
Will And the second was the, uh, Haraj super seed in white.
Everett How much is that?
Will Uh, they are, I want to say three.
Everett You know, that's actually, uh, this up before the show that watches a little bit of a sleeper, I think, because it's, it's cool. Haraj is a really, uh, a pretty interesting company. I don't, uh, I don't love all the aesthetics on this watch, but you get, you get some really interesting, you get some really interesting stuff with this watch. The, the movement finishing, I think more than anything is just kind of mind blowing to me.
Will So there, there are 5,000, a little under 5,000 on pre-order full retail is 6,500. Yeah, that's it. So he, he upped his budget on that one, but not by much. He's a, you know, he, he goes, he goes out and hike in and diving and all that shit. So I can, I guess the Casio kind of makes sense.
Everett I think he's taking a piss with the Casio.
Andrew I don't believe him. He can do a lot. There's something better than that.
Will I think he's fine. He can, he can do the Casio Duro. That's what he can do.
Andrew We'll just, we'll sub in, uh, uh, One of the Mr. G's like this all steals.
Will Yeah. Well, we'll just give him a third watch. Like, dude, you can get another one.
Andrew Yeah. You don't have to. You're not poor. This is our money. This isn't your money. It's Will's money. That makes me feel better about my $12,000 shortage.
Everett Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
Andrew At least you didn't get a Casio. Yeah. Oh, I did get an Ollie steel case and bracelet set. for your 5600. And I was, I don't know, it was a bit of a flyer. I got a new 5600 for it. I got the, it was a hundred bucks all said and done for the, for the watch and for the Ollie steel case and bracelet set. Watch shows up, I wear it like, eh, whatever. I know what a 5600 feels like. The case and bracelet shows up, I put it on and get it sized, which is a little bit of a pain in the dick. I get it sized. I'm like. Oh, it's all branded off of Ali, which is always shocking to me when you get things off of AliExpress, when it's actually branded. Yeah, because there's like this. Am I buying counterfeit goods or am I buying out the back door goods? Don't ask too many questions.
Will I don't ask too many questions. What happened with that moon swatch that I thought was unbranded and was just a straight up replica? And I felt bad about it after I got it straight branded and looks good.
Andrew But that's the Ollie thing.
Will My three-year-old wears it now because I was like, I'm not going to wear it now.
Andrew You don't ask questions, but I got it and I put it on. I was like, this is the weight that I want.
Everett Yeah.
Andrew This is like the, this, this, this, I dig it.
Everett Can confirm fit and finish and everything. That, that thing is pretty crazy.
Andrew It's really good. It's a little more polished than I'd like. Yeah. But I think it'll, I think it'll wear. I think, I think sometime we'll like break it in really nicely. I think that's something that's going to patina really well, but can confirm the Ollie. Steel case and bracelet sets for your 5600s are worth the money.
Everett Link will be in the show notes. Yeah, I'll link it. So we did it. Once again, you guys, we've done it. We've mastered the world of watches in this brief segment. Moving on. Other things. Will, Editor-in-Chief, Daddy, what do you got?
Will It's a show that I've started watching three separate times. I've watched the first episode all the way through three times and was like, I need to keep going with this. And I kept crapping out and other things came up. Finally decided to start watching and get all the way through it. And I just finished the first season, Succession on HBO. Oh my gosh. Oh man, it is such a good show. I'm so happy that I decided to watch it again and again, and then finally make it through because it is really worth it. It's just, everybody sucks so bad.
Andrew Oh yeah.
Will And you just want all the horrible things to happen to these people. But it's like, um, I think watching like, you know, Dexter or something like that, where it's like, I got to root for you a little bit because I need someone to root for. I'm just going to be depressed. But then in the same episode, you can be like, man, I kind of hope you get hit by a car or something.
Andrew It's the peak of anti-hero TV, right? We're seeing kind of the downtrend of that, but that was, that was right at the back end of the, of the peak of anti-hero TV.
Will Like Breaking Bad and all that kind of stuff.
Everett You know, they did, they, they've done a really, I think, phenomenal job with casting on that show. Uh, Kieran Culkin in particular, just, I mean, really, really a very good actor. Um, all the characters in that show have these moments of, I don't know, I don't know. Could you call it acting brilliance? I mean, there's moments in almost every single episode where the humor is quick, but the emotions are really heavy. I really liked that show, even though I'm with you, Will. I hate all of those characters. I hate them all. There's nobody good in that show.
Andrew That's the point. That's the point of the show. It's all people you ought to hate, but you're rooting for them anyway.
Everett Even like, even like the, the secondary characters that are kind of comic relief or, or emotional relief, you know? So I'm thinking of Greg and Jerry. Yeah.
Andrew Fuck Greg and Jerry.
Everett Both of them. I think there's moments when you think, okay, this character is kind of bringing it back. They've got some morals, they've got some ethics,
Andrew And then they, and no, no, no, that actually this is on the back end of sons of anarchy, of the walking dead, of breaking bad, of fucking Dexter, where we lived in a world where we were rooting for serial killers and gangsters that fell on the floor. But we lived in this world of rooting for like the most villainous people. And this is right at the tail end of that. We're like, we need to give them a little bit of redeeming qualities, not enough to redeem them, but just enough that you're like, we're people. It's okay.
Will So great. It makes me wonder if I would be that big of a jerk.
Andrew If I was that rich, you probably, you definitely would.
Everett You would be, we all would be a great pick. Will, uh, did you say you're you're through season one?
Will Yep. Just finished it.
Everett And I think we've got four seasons, four or five seasons at this point.
Andrew I think it's four. I think it's four. I'm open to being wrong though.
Everett Yeah. And so we've just finished, we've just finished the last season in the last couple of months. Uh, Adrian Brody makes an appearance in season four. Really great character.
Andrew One of the most underrated actors of our time. Yeah. Yeah.
Everett So something to look forward to. Um, Andrew, Andrew, other things. What do you got?
Andrew Ooh. So mine's not a particularly new other thing.
Everett Okay.
Andrew But it's another thing that I think is worth mentioning. Yeah. I, on I think opening weekend, went and saw Jurassic World. Yes.
Will The Minion. Oh man, what a stinker of a movie.
Andrew Fuck off. So my seven year old, Mark, calls it Jurassic World The Minion.
Everett The Minion.
Andrew I like that. The Minion. So I love Jurassic Park. Jurassic Park, The OG, the first one I watch once a month.
Will Easy. I literally just watched it tonight cause I finished the book.
Andrew And I've read the book several times. I've read a couple, like the, I mean, that book makes you think Crichton is going to be a really good writer. Yeah. It's, it's, uh, it's whatever. Which tree turns out not to be. Yeah. Uh, he, he had a really great idea once and it panned out and that's like most of us, right? We have a really good idea once and Lightning does not strike twice. I'm still waiting for mine. Uh, so I'm a big Jurassic park guy, like nerd to my core love dinosaurs. As a result of my childhood interaction with Jurassic park, I introduced that to my seven year old who has subsequently come become a dinosaur nerd. We went and saw Jurassic park, the minion in theaters. And it's not a theater necessary movie. But I loved it. The new generation of Jurassic Park is new generation of movies, right? It's blockbuster movies. It's all action all the time. Story leaves you a little bit wanting, but there's just enough there to keep you there. The new trilogy. But you're gonna get action. You're gonna get dinosaurs and people. You're gonna get dinosaurs and dinosaurs. And you're gonna be thoroughly entertained. It was worth it in theaters.
Will I have called that movie, uh, Fast and the Furious with dinosaurs.
Andrew That's perfect. That's appropriate. Right. And, and I was thinking about what the last movie I saw in theaters was. It was the last Jurassic Park. That's hilarious. And then when I thought about the movie I saw before that, it was also Jurassic Park. That's the only movie that I make time for to go to the movie theater to see is Jurassic Park.
Will So some of my we just can we just talk for a second, though, about just one thing about that movie, and this doesn't really spoil much, but how the main villain in that movie is the guy who had a single scene in the first movie.
Everett Right. Yes. Yeah. Yes. It you know, you can tell that this this second trilogy is amazingly perhaps even less well thought out than the first trilogy. I don't know. And maybe not less fun as a result, just less thought out.
Will No, it's very all veterinary entertaining.
Andrew I love that character arc. I love that this super minor character who you saw briefly who meant nothing is the like, like the ultimate super villain. And he has a beautiful story arc. I think, I think he does. I think he's got this really great arc that comes to like solution, right? To resolution and not just like, Oh, well, he's still a villain. I'm a little bummed. They've seemed to close out the franchise. I don't expect it is closed out, but they did seem to close the franchise with this movie. It's kind of bummed.
Will They closed the world. franchise. I think that if they resurrect it, it might be a reboot or something.
Andrew It perhaps which this this resurrection was, but I dug it. This holds true to all the dinosaur shit you want of the. Original. Franchise of the original movie, the original franchise is a little.
Will But I'd like to see them go back and do the original closer to the book, because that shit was straight horror.
Andrew Oh, dude, Gary, if when you think about books from that era or an even earlier, if they were to do those movies now, like the first one that comes to mind for me is Starship Troopers. Starship Troopers is one of my favorite movies. It's amazing. Yeah, it's wholly different than the book. If they were to do Starship Troopers now and keep it true to the book, it wouldn't be better than the first Starship Troopers because that's its own thing. It would be a terrific movie.
Everett Yep. My daughter has just been reading the book. I think actually, well, you and her must have started at a similar time, but she's still reading it. She's 10, right? So she reads a little bit slower, but she's expressed to me that she kind of wanted to back away from it for a few nights because like, it's a little intense and I feel like She, you know, my daughter is, is 10 years old going on, you know, 20 is the cliche or the trope or whatever, but she is that way. So she thinks she's really mature. And in some ways she is, she had the sort of wherewithal to come to me and say, I need to, I can't read this. I need to give myself a little bit of a break from it, put it in the freezer as it were, because it's just in the Amber. It's just kind of scaring me.
Andrew So it's fucking scary.
Will Yeah. It's, it's a, It's a horror novel. It is. Yeah.
Everett So I've got another thing. Do me. It's a podcast.
Andrew Is it ours?
Everett It is a podcast called 40 and 20, the watch clicker podcast. It's just something I found when I was browsing online. No, it's a podcast called, I was going to make a joke about how I was going to do a Coleman stove.
Andrew Uh, but that's not, I would have loved for you to do your Coleman stove for a third time, twice in consecutive weeks. I do apologize that I didn't link to the exact minute. of the verbatim endorsement of the Coleman. That's how you know it's true, man.
Everett That's how you know it's true. I, you know, two summers apart had the same experience. Uh, so we, um, I started listening to a podcast called Witnessed Friendly Fire. If you've ever listened to the Borderlands Witnessed Borderlands podcast, this is, it's, it's sort of a true crime sort of in the, in the vein of This American Life, or perhaps even Radiolab, you know, the modern, highly produced investigative journalism type of podcast. This Friendly Fire, Witnessed Friendly Fire is, I think you can get all the episodes now. However, if you go, I think Apple's maybe got like a bundled podcast thing where you can get all the unreleased stuff. However, if you're just like me on pocket cast, we're on episode seven of, I think, 11 episodes. It's a story about a police officer in a small, in a small town, uh, who gets shot by his, who gets shot by his partner. Uh, and, it's reported as an accident and there's never, you know, the investigation kind of also determines that it's an accident, but you then learn, well, actually there's a lot to this. So takes place in Scott County, Tennessee is the name of the County. Um, and, and, you know, like any good investigative journalism, Podcasts, they're revealing the story in a compelling way. The storytelling is done really well. Their production is really good, but I, these come out on Monday morning for me. Maybe they come out on Saturday or Sunday or something, but Monday morning is when I refresh my podcast feed and it's always there 45 minutes to an hour episodes. And I'm like hooked. I'm hooked Monday morning. I'm refreshing so I can listen to this thing. Uh, Really, really good. Sean Flynn is the name of the reporter. He's actually from Scott County, and I think he reported this story when it happened, maybe 15 or 16 years ago. And he's now revisiting it based on the additional information that's come forward. Spoiler alert, the shooter has some problems, but we're talking about law enforcement conspiracies, all the stuff. all the stuff and it's just really, really good. You know, like all true crime. It's, it feels a little pulpy. It feels a little, uh, it's a guilty pleasure perhaps, but totally enjoyable. Recommended witnessed friendly fire podcast.
Will America. I looked it up. Looks good.
Andrew I looked it up too. It's in the show notes.
Everett Highly recommended. Do it. Uh, Will, thanks for joining us. Anything you want to add before, uh, before we wrap it up?
Will Yeah. My camera's still broke.
Andrew Oh my God. So when do you have to turn your loaner in?
Will Uh, I messaged Sony pro services and I said, um, this is going to take a while. Apparently, can I just keep this until I get it back? And they said, sure. So I've got my loaner until I get my camera back. So there's some silver lining there.
Everett Did you say they sent you an R four or is it just the same camera?
Will Yeah. A seven R four. Um, I requested my same camera, um, but they didn't have any loaners of that. So they gave me a couple options and it was like an A73, an A7R3, and an A7R4. And I was like, well, just give me the R4. Duh.
Everett Why is that even a choice? Are you having any storage issues?
Will No, because I am being conscious of what I'm doing because I realize how big the files are. If I was shooting all willy nilly, like I usually do, I'd probably be running out of hard drive space real quick.
Everett So forty six million, forty six megapixels on that. Is that right?
Will Something like that.
Everett Something something ridiculous. How much bigger are the files?
Will I looked when I first got it, I think I think the photos are like 100 megabytes bigger or something like that, or maybe that's a video files. I don't remember. It's something stupid.
Everett It's a lot of data. Yeah. Are you is there anything about the R4 versus the four that is making you feel Like you want the bigger, better, badder pro spec camera?
Will No, I don't want the R4 at all. It's got the old Sony menu system, which after using the A7 IV's menu system, I hate the R4's menu. And there's a couple like quirky things about it that I just, I don't know. I just don't like, I just find, and maybe it's probably just because I'm used to the A7 IV now that I'm just like, I just want my camera back. Please fix it. Thank you.
Andrew Yeah.
Will Yeah.
Andrew Have they told you what happened? I mean, did the sensor just fail?
Will I'm assuming that that's what it is because, uh, I did get an email from the repair company that, uh, they ordered parts and I'm assuming if it was just like the shutter or some other screen or something like that, I'm sure they would have that stuff in stock. No, it wasn't the screen. I think the sensor.
Andrew That was pretty apparent.
Will Yeah. Yeah. I think the, the sensor got fried. I know that early on there were some overheating issues with the A7 IVs. And I wonder if maybe mine was caught up in that and it just wasn't apparent until it just fried the sensor.
Andrew You just had an early model and yeah.
Will Yeah. Cause I got it on release. So it could have been.
Everett Yeah. So something to look forward to. Will and I are working on a camera recommendation post. It needs a little work. We've got the, the beginning draft that we've circulated, but we get a lot of requests for what, what camera oftentimes from beginners, you know, the person that asked that question and oftentimes like, I don't even know where to start. So we're working on, I'm ready to upgrade for my iPhone. That's right. That's right. So we're working on an article. If you're a beginning camera, Uh, curious type of person. We're working on a post that'll go on the website. I don't know when, probably in the next month or so. Oh, well, we recommend, and obviously these things are time dependent, so it'll be good for a year or two before we need to update it, but that's something to look forward to. Andrew, anything you want to add before?
Andrew I don't have anything cool. Just bird poop on my window.
Everett It is actually typical for you not to have anything cool to say.
Andrew It's normal. It's my thing.
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