Episode 189 - Seiko, Seiko, and More Seiko

Published on Wed, 08 Jun 2022 22:59:05 -0700

Synopsis

The podcast discusses several recent watch releases from Seiko, including a new GMT movement in the 4R34 caliber with a 24-hour bezel, new King Seiko models, a limited edition Grand Seiko for the brand's 55th anniversary with a beautiful decorated quartz movement, a new Arnie diver with dive computer functionality, and a reissue of the classic 6105 diver. They also talk about the auction sale of Michael Collins' gold Speedmaster, Norkane's new advisory role for Jean-Claude Biver, and the host's recent purchase of a new tool bag from Klein Tools. Throughout the conversation, they share their thoughts and excitement about these new releases and products.

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Andrew	Hello, fellow watch lovers, nerds, enthusiasts, or however you identify. You're listening to 40 in 20, the Watch Clicker podcast with your host, Andrew and my good friend Everett. Here, we talk about watches, food, drinks, life, and other things we like. Everett, how are you?
Everett	I'm so good, man. You know, Andrew, we're back on our Shure SM58 mics, which You know, I sort of suspect this isn't going to make a difference to anybody at home, or maybe it will. Maybe you're listening to this week and you're like, Oh my gosh. Their voices are wonderful.
Andrew	Yeah. So rich, sultry.
Everett	I'll tell you, it feels, it feels nice. Actually, we started talking into these and I was like, ah, so we've, so just an aside for you guys, we've been using some loaner mics, uh, for what? Five, five weeks, three or something like that. And they're, they're really nice mics. Sennheiser mics, they were loaned to the show from a friend of mine. And we've been using these and they're very high quality mics, probably two and a half, three times the price of our normal microphones. And I think that the detail in those microphones is a little much for us, for our shrill, nasty voices. These SM58s round out all the curves.
Andrew	They do. I will say though, Uh, as I'm, as we've now had like actual on air discussion and conversation in, in our, in our podcasting voices, because believe it or not, though, this is what we sound like. This isn't what we sound like. This sounds like a more real interaction with us. Those mics sound like blasted into your ears, they capture all the things that the normal ear doesn't capture. So I don't know that there will actually be a hearing difference for the people listening. For me now, as I'm sitting here, I'm noticing just the slightest difference.
Everett	Yeah, I think that there were a little hotter than these, but these feel very comfortable to me. So I feel really good. I feel like at home right now.
Andrew	Especially with those lime green pop filters.
Everett	It feels like a cup of hot cocoa is what it feels like.
Andrew	Or a glass of Irish whiskey. Or that.
Everett	Take your pick. Enough about microphones. Enough about middling differences in audio quality. How are you? Oh, I guess I'm fine. Yeah, I mean, it's the same old, same old, right? I'm busy at work.
Unknown	I'm working all the time. I'm busy. I eat dinner. I sleep. I go to work.
Everett	I mean, that is my life. That's actually my whole entire life. No, I'm good. This has been a really fun week for us, for watches, for me, perhaps even. As most of you know, we announced... You didn't wear a watch over today. I didn't. No, I'm sorry about that, Andrew. You have to take that off. No, I'm uncomfortable.
Andrew	Because I'm wearing a watch while we're recording. I just worked out right before... I saw you run away and I was like, there's just no way you're going to make it back in time to record at our normal time.
Unknown	And then you did.
Andrew	I made it back. And then I made it back. Uh, did you see my wife while you were running? Uh, no. Oh, she also ran away at about the same time you did. I don't see her car either. So that could be like she really ran away.
Everett	Um, I, as, as, as most of you at home know, we announced our collaboration. We, we announced it last week on the show, but we formally, uh, announced this week or, or started sales of the Nick Mankey WatchClicker slash 40 and 20 collaboration hook straps. From what I understand from Nick, sales are really cool. Really good.
Andrew	I bought some today. You did? I did. And then I had to send him an email for my special request.
Everett	Oh yeah, that's right. You did have a special request. Yeah. Your Destro and Manky straps. Yes. So sales have been good. I do know that they will be going out with some some swag, some swag. I also know that this is really the fastest way to get a hookstrap. We mentioned that last week on the show. Yeah.
Andrew	And I think we need to reiterate it. You don't wait no 10 weeks for this.
Everett	The first orders that came in on Saturday shipped out today. Do you? So five days for a turnaround on a hookstrap, which you just can't find that.
Andrew	So it doesn't exist. That's not a real thing because even on Nick Mankey's a header, a pop-up header on his website is please allow 8-10 weeks.
Everett	And what I understand is that this is not going to delay other straps too. So that was simply important to note. That this is a special expedited delivery method and it won't delay somebody else's not watch clicker 40 and 20 straps. So really I think this collaboration And it sounds like Nick's planning to do more of these with other places in the future. That will continue to be the fastest way. You still have time. As of this recording, get on nickmackydesigns.com or your 40 and 20 and or watch clicker logo strap. The strap, the logo is pretty subtle.
Unknown	It's not, this is not a real patch.
Andrew	Yeah. And as of, as you're listening to this, you have nine days left to order.
Everett	So one more, one more little, little tiny piece of news for me, which you know this now, Andrew, I know he's announcing his retirement and you've actually known this for a long time.
Andrew	Uh, I'm making a watch like the, the SNK mod.
Everett	Yes. No, something a little bit different. Uh, I Everett was on our friend Eric of Rico's watches podcast. I was on Eric's podcast. Last week at Rico's Watches podcast, episode 81, I was on there not to talk about 40 and 20 or WatchClicker, but to talk about my new project with my good friend, Christian. We've started a watch company called Foster Watch Co. And we have recently sort of announced a soft announcement of our first watch, which will be debuting and for sale this summer. We're going to talk about that more at some point. So I don't want to.
Andrew	We'll maybe get there. I have to say as co-host, I'm a little offended you didn't debut with us, but I'm, you know, I, I get it.
Everett	No, no, no, no. It's better. You, you, you, you gotta trust it. It's better.
Andrew	I don't trust the process. I'm just a content contributor.
Everett	Um, it's really exciting. And so far the response has been really warm and really special. I'm going to mention this just once. You can check it out. at Foster Watch Co. on Instagram. We're at fosterwatches.com online, although our website's not built out yet.
Andrew	I'll say too, I've worn one of these foster skin divers quite a bit, and they get me excited too.
Everett	I'm glad you're excited. I'm excited. Go check out Rico's Watches podcast, episode 81, if you want to hear more.
Unknown	In the meantime... And check out Eric.
Everett	Eric's great. We had him on the show, good friend of ours. He's a Canadian witch. It's tolerable. Yeah. We're going to talk about watches today, though.
Andrew	We're going to get there eventually. Can I tell you how I am? No. Did we forget to do that? Well, you always forget because usually I'm just bitching. I'm living the dream. I'm living normal human hours this week, and it has been phenomenal.
Everett	Yeah. Every time you tell me how much you like working at nights, I'm like, you're an idiot.
Andrew	But for the fact that I don't get any naps this week, and that kind of bums me out, But I have been awake during daylight hours and asleep during darkness hours this week because I'm in a training.
Everett	It's been really cool. Your skin is almost opaque again.
Andrew	I don't know. I think that's oddly complimentary. I'm not sunburned, which is maybe to come. But I'm in a training and it's at the end zone terrace. of Autzen Stadium. So I'm sitting in my training watching the minor league baseball team, our local team, do all their warmups for their home games right now. I'm like looking down into the bowl of the stadium where they're doing all the preparation for commencement on Monday. You're at the... I'm in the media booth at Autzen Stadium.
Unknown	Oh, that's awesome.
Andrew	For this class, which is distracting because it's like just a... It's a Terrific view of the city and into the mountains. It's been beautiful weather and I'm like looking down in the bowl Watching the M's warm up for games. It's been a little bit of a distracting week, but super cool. That's awesome So that's been it's been fun. Here's the problem though I'd say it's approximately five flights of stairs. Mm-hmm for because there's no elevator Why there is no elevator, I have no answer, but it's five flights of stairs up and down to get to class or just up to get down to go to lunch, back up to return, and then back down. It's a lot of stairs. I get sweaty because of all those stairs. That's my complaint. By about the middle of my period away from the stairs, I'm back to enjoying it.
Everett	When Andrew was in college, And when I was in law school, every Friday during fall, every single Friday during fall, we would run, run from our ROTC building to Watson Stadium. Yeah, maybe a little over a mile and spend the next 45 minutes cleaning every single seat
Andrew	Every single reserve seat. Every single reserve seat. All the fold-down reserve seats of all the burducki.
Everett	Popcorn, vomit, every single thing that accrued at Autzen Stadium.
Andrew	Do you remember the year when it snowed? Yes. And we did it in the snow, which was really cool because somebody went out and like stomped the snow off of the yellow O in the middle of the stadium. So there was just this big yellow O and somehow this totally unadulterated field of snow. And to be clear, while you're freezing your fingers off, wiping these seats down with wet rags.
Everett	To be clear, it wasn't just us.
Andrew	There was like 60 or 70. Yeah, there was there was a good number of people. We weren't just, you know, it wasn't just Andrew. We would have taken much longer than 45 minutes.
Everett	Andrew, for the love of God, we're talking about watches. The people are going to leave. They've already turned this thing off. We're way too late.
Andrew	Well, no, I thought it said one minute and I was like, that's impossible. It's actually says 12 minutes. We apologize to you. Thank you for being with us. I don't apologize because we get 15 minutes of free form time before we start talking about watches. First thing I want to talk about, though, in the way of the watch world is I read a cool article, a fun article about high accuracy courts.
Unknown	Oh, yeah.
Andrew	And we talked about this watch recently on the show. on the show the citizen chronomaster time and tide published an opinion article by ricardo sime who has confirmed that that is how you say his name if you don't know his stuff excellent writer he's been on a ton of shows this guy's super knowledgeable i met him in new york last october excellent dude The title of his article is, Why I Bought the Citizen Chronomaster and Succumbed to the Allure of High Accuracy Courts. And it is his position paper on why high accuracy courts is the truth. It's a fun article from a really knowledgeable person, right? If Everett or I were to write an article entitled, Why I Bought the Citizen Chronomaster and Succumbed to the Allure of High Accuracy Courts, you could write it off, throw it in the trash, And or maybe just read about our, uh, you know, bletherings on high accuracy courts. Bletherings? Bletherings? That's the word I'm looking for.
Everett	Bletherings? I'm not sure. No. Uh, I thought the most interesting thing about this article is something specific about the watch that I didn't realize. So when you adjust the hours or when you adjust the time in these four time zones, it allows you to jump the hour independent of the minute hand so as not to interrupt the timekeeping. I didn't realize that. That's fucking awesome. It makes so much sense.
Andrew	Yeah, no, I love that. Most shocking to me, the biggest takeaway I had for it was that this was a flyer purchase. I was like, man, respect that this is a flyer purchase. And it lands. We love high accuracy courts, or I love, I won't necessarily speak for Everett, but I love high accuracy courts. I think it's a super cool technology. I think it's really, really, really underrated in the watch world. This is a watch I know and love. Everett has been on record as saying he should buy a Chronomaster, maybe will buy a Chronomaster. And now you've got another person saying, this is a good choice to make.
Everett	Yeah. The other thing he talks about that is intriguing to me is he, he kind of raves on the super titanium, both in the way it feels, uh, actually he says feels almost non-existent, which I think it could be a bad thing, but, uh, feels almost non-existent and in five weeks aware, no scratches. So, uh, you know, citizen is very, very pushy about how cool it's super titanium is, which is not to say it's not true. And it seems like Ricardo thinks that's the deal. So yeah, cool article.
Andrew	Well, everything we're going to talk about is probably going to be linked in the show notes. Take a look at Ricardo's article. And now that you have a third opinion on the Chronomaster, buy one, send it to us for a couple of days.
Everett	Now, starting now, starting now, Andrew, the rest of this show, I believe, is fucking Seiko.
Andrew	Almost entirely. There's going to be a couple of little ifs, ands, or buts. It's mostly Seiko because they are on fire.
Everett	This has been like the week and a half, two weeks of Seiko. Yes. I don't even think we're going to get to all of the, I don't think we're going to get to all of the releases.
Andrew	I don't know how we could because they just, they just emerged, re-emerged as a brand and said, Hey, here's our 25 fucking SKUs that you deserve and you wanted.
Everett	Exactly. Not only are they 25 SKUs, but I think, I do not remember, I do not remember any span of any length of time, you know, month, two months, six months, where Seiko's dropped so many, personally to me, exciting watches.
Andrew	No, besides when they dropped the Seiko 5, whole new lineup when they dropped 250 SKUs of three watches. Yeah, I mean, even then, that's like,
Everett	This is special. So can we start with the one I'm most excited about? And I think the one that's the most recent in terms of the announcement. So Seiko announced today, this is the big news. So we may just talk about this for the next hour and not talk about anything else. Yeah, we might only get to this. Seiko announced by way of a single watch two things. One, a brand new watch that you should be excited about. And two, a brand new movement that is maybe, maybe, maybe the most exciting thing in affordable mechanical movements ever since I've been collecting watches, since I've been into watches. Seiko released a, I think it's the 4R34, is that right?
Andrew	Oh, let me find it. I'll find it.
Everett	So I believe it's the 4R34, which is a 4R or 7S based. 34, yes. Uh, GMT movement. What the fuck? So they've taken the ubiquitous 4R35 movement and added a GMT module to the top of that. And in doing so have only added 0.1 millimeter. Which is impossible. Yeah, I actually don't, I'm, I'm really kind of curious about how they made that work, but in their debut release for this new movement, They've released three SKX 24-hour bezel variant of this brand new 4R34 movement. And Jubilee bracelet is back.
Andrew	And you know it's just going to jangle.
Everett	Jubilee bracelet is back. And this basically just looks like an SKX case. It's an SKX case. You've got SKX markers. You've got, you know, 5KX markers. Let's be clear. uh 5kx hands or skx hand maybe there's no difference um seiko font on a 24 hour bezel for the first time in a way that doesn't make absolutely zero sense right uh dude this is it man and here's the thing it's gonna be sub 500 500 bucks right 470 euros, which right now is 500 and change 503 for. That's under 500 dollars. Yeah. At the end of the day, it'll be under five.
Andrew	Yep. Yeah, that's going to that. You're going to be able to find that brand new in box four to 450 in about three months. Probably an Amazon in the next two months. This is. The coolest thing Seiko has done. Maybe since the SKX. It's pro specced. It's a mechanical GMT.
Everett	I don't know how they're doing it. And so to be clear, it's a collar GMT. Yeah, I don't know. I don't know how they're doing it either. There's obviously, you know, Seiko's got incredible development. They've got incredible scale, which gives them incredible power to develop things like this. I don't think there's very many companies in the world that could develop this movement. No. Miota, perhaps, could do it. Obviously, Etta or Solita could do it if they wanted to, but I don't think they want to.
Andrew	But those are coming in at the price of this watch. Yeah. And maybe that's what Seiko is doing. They're loss leading this because they know the demand for this complication at this price point. Because to get this complication, realistically anywhere else in the market, you're looking at two to three hundred dollars more.
Everett	You know Andrew, that's a really interesting theory and I haven't heard anyone suggest it yet. The loss leading theory. As soon as you said it, I It rings at least credulous to me.
Andrew	Not incredulous, which is an important distinction.
Everett	Yeah, it reads possible. They might. Seiko is a company well known for loss leading products. That's actually a really interesting theory.
Andrew	Which is what the SKX was. So a discontinuation of the SKX. A prospect. No bullshit. Like honest to God, top of the line. dive watch it's not top of any line but at 150 bucks it's top of the line right but if you're if you're looking at at breaching this this specific GMT market which doesn't exist in the mechanical category under 750 bucks?
Everett	Yeah, you've got Orient. You've got Orient is making a mechanical drill and automatic GMT. You've got a couple of Swiss things that can be found high, high hundreds, but no, nobody else doing anything like this at this price.
Andrew	And with an RP of 500. Right. Nobody reputable, like truly reputable in the category that Seiko is under a thousand. This could be their new SKX, loss leading, we don't give a shit, you're gonna get the coolest thing on the market from us for the least amount of money. And it's, I don't know, this gets me more excited than the SKX. I liked the SKX, I never bought one, but.
Everett	We had Will on, it's been six months ago now, to talk about the sort of pervading hot take that Seiko has abandoned its low price model. And during that show, I think based on a handful of releases, we sort of squashed, we kind of put that to rest, I think. And I think this really puts a point on that. Seiko hasn't abandoned anything. Prices have gone up since 1998, but Seiko has obviously still got a ton of investment in the entry level.
Andrew	And I think this represents it.
Everett	I think the only other thing to note about this watch, push-pull crown. So that is maybe a want-want. I don't know if you were able to fit this 5KX case with a screw-down crown. I suspect you may be able to mod that. I'm not sure who would want to do that, or if that would be advisable, or if you'd actually get an advantage from that. But it's a possibility. But this watch is a push-pull crown. 100 meters of water resistance, push-pull crown. I'm fine with that.
Andrew	Well, yeah, me too. I'm totally fine with that. And it's got all of the modern Seiko 5 branding, right? It has the kind of weird logo beneath the Seiko, which I'm like, I wish they would do away with. But I understand why within that family of branding that they need to do that.
Everett	Yeah, I like the 5K. I know I like the new Seiko 5 logo.
Andrew	I could do without the 5. I could just do with a Seiko at the 12. And I think this is super fucking cool.
Everett	So three colors. You've got a traditional black Seiko dial with a sort of black on very, very dark gray charcoal. Like slate, yeah. Like two-tone bezels. Two-tone. You've got a orange dial, a beautiful sunburst oil. orange dial with gilt hands. And again, that black on gray, that one has a gold print on the bezel, which I think is lovely. And then you've also got a sunburst blue dial Batman theme. All of these are two-toned, although both the black and the orange, the two-tone is black on gray. And in most of the pictures, it shows pretty subtle. That gray is very dark.
Andrew	Then even the gilted orange dial is super appropriate. It's it's not like splashy gold. It's almost like another hue of the pumpkiny orange that you're getting from that really very doxa bright. Even more metallic, the doxa orange and then almost like a. Pumpkin guilt is not gold, it's not metallic gold. These are good.
Everett	Can we talk about King Seiko?
Andrew	I think we must talk about King Seiko.
Everett	It's 2020, I think mid 2020, maybe right before COVID sort of took over our lives. Seiko dropped a return. A zombie. A zombie. They dropped a King Seiko, the classic the classic King Seiko style. They dropped the SJ083. Um, and that watch was great. That watch was great. It was, I think, a semi-limited run. And it's like, Oh, that's fucking cool. That's, that's really cool. Uh, 20 earlier this year, they dropped a handful more of this King Seiko line. And we talked about them on the show. Yeah. And they've been incredibly popular. Super beautiful. And they just released two new models here, which either indicates that these have been just popular enough for Seiko to continue releasing these in small quantities, because these are being released in small quantities, or it indicates that Seiko is leaning back into the King Seiko line in a more formal, long-term way. It was, I think, unclear, both in 2020 and earlier this year, if these were one-offs. I think this maybe is indicating to us that this is a thing.
Andrew	I think they felt it out. I think that was the intention of a few limited drops. They're feeling out like, who's okay with King Seiko? And I think the market indicated that they're okay. and prepared for King Seiko, and they're going to continue to lean gently into it until they get a real feel for it.
Unknown	Mm-hmm.
Everett	Mm-hmm. So there are two of these that were dropped, I think, earlier this week, maybe late last week. Mm-hmm. One of these is a limited edition, 1,700 pieces, medallion-backed. which is cool. I think that's the first of these that have come. Actually, perhaps the last limited edition one had a medallion, gold medallion on the back too. Hardened case. Really very, really sort of very vintage feeling, right? 6L35 on the LA, which is a great movement. The 6L35 is a 3.7 high beat movement. I think eight, uh, I think it's 28, eight. Um, yeah, the, these things are cool, but they've also made, they've also made a cheaper one, right? Right.
Andrew	Cause the 087 is 1800 euros. So what? 2000.
Everett	And they've also introduced an SBP line of these. Um, I think this first one is a purple. Lavender. Lavender. Lavender. Sure. And these are more, uh, these are more basic movements. I can't remember. I think this is just a 6R31 movement. Yes, 6R31. Uh, which is a great movement, but it's a 21-6 movement. Um, which is fine, right? By the way, that's fine.
Andrew	Uh, I have to correct something. Tell me. The LEs are 3,300 euros. The non-LE is 1,800 euros.
Everett	SBP is 1800 euros. The limited edition with the medallion 3300.
Andrew	SJE is the limited edition.
Everett	3300.
Andrew	SPP non limited 1800, so 35 and 2000 ish respectively.
Everett	And I think the limited is a little bigger 38 and a half and the SVPs are 37 with the with the fatter lower B movement.
Andrew	Yes, but just a beautiful
Everett	flat linked jubilee yeah no this is like a seven link yeah uh yeah it's like a rice like flat link beads it's it's this weird hybrid yeah yeah it feels very ap i mean yeah well this is the classic king's echo bracelet these are totally stunning be you know top of the line finishing on these these are both serratu polished yeah
Andrew	And fantastic little lugs on these things are just like the lugs specifically on the S.J.E. would be enough for me to risk a divorce. Yeah, the the kind of that soft eggshell white with gold markers and hands. Yeah, I like that. But those lugs, super angular, beautiful finishing on them. Like, you know, I love my wife a lot. How much does she love me? And so it might be worth the risk.
Everett	I think we can say that this falls into the grammar of design. Yeah. Uh, design philosophy. Um, you know, maybe, maybe a little bit, uh, a little bit advanced from that, but I think these are beautiful. I think they're fantastic. We are planning. We, we, Andrew, you and I are planning a little bit of one of our deep dive episodes on Seiko soon. So I want you to, this is a little teaser. It will include grammar design and it will include another watch. Another design philosophy or a related design philosophy that we're about to talk about, because Seiko introduced a new grand Seiko this week as well. Actually, I think they released a handful, but the one we're going to talk about is the 44GS 55th anniversary limited edition SBGP017. This is a 9F Grand Seiko with a blue dial in a sort of snowflake pattern.
Andrew	Snowflake pattern. I think sheet of ice. Yeah, that's right. It's fucking gorgeous. And you know what gets me the hardest over this thing? Tell me. It's the most ridiculous thing. The display. case back and decorated quartz movement. I'd wear this watch inside out. I would deliberately twist the bracelet up, find a way to reverse the clasp, and wear this thing inside out. This is... Just put it on a NATO. This is... No, because I know that bracelet would be money. I don't want to wear that. This is the most beautiful display case back I've ever seen. Because it's so unique. It's so different. And it's so nothing.
Everett	You know, we talk about, we talk about courts a lot and how courts is not appreciated I think one of the reasons it's a little hard to appreciate quartz is because there's not a lot of sort of technical difficulty in a quartz movement.
Andrew	It's because there's no dude hand filing.
Everett	Well, but there's no dude hand filing a 7s26 movement or a 4r35.
Andrew	But people imagine a mechanical movement being hand filed. They're thinking they're mass produced mechanical movements being hand filed by a dude wearing a loop.
Everett	But at this point we know a standard quartz movement can be produced for literally almost zero dollars. Yeah. Literally like under a dollar you can produce a quartz movement. So that is, well, I couldn't, but somebody could. So there, I think, I think it's easy to sort of disrespect these, uh, to disrespect quartz movements, generally speaking, not so with the 9F. No. Full metal movements and they're beautiful.
Unknown	They are.
Everett	You know, this is sort of the, this is, you know,
Andrew	You can even see the battery and it's still a beautiful movement.
Everett	Nobody makes these anymore, right? I mean, Breitling maybe makes the courts or maybe uses some pretty cool courts, but this is not something you find.
Andrew	Grand Seiko is kind of the pinnacle of cool courts right now.
Everett	Citizen has some stuff, but yeah, 9F movement, it's one of the greatest movements ever made. This 55th, so 55th is a weird anniversary to celebrate.
Andrew	But when you celebrate it with this.
Everett	It's a, it's a weird anniversary, but the, the, so we talked to just a second ago about grammar design, um, the 44 GS or the grand Seiko style, another Taro Tanaka. We're going to talk about this more. Andrew just hurt his elbow. I think he hit his funny bone. He's making weird noises. I'm sorry for you guys at home. His face has not returned to normal, but we're going to killing me. All right. We've got, we've got one additional psycho we need to talk about.
Andrew	We do.
Everett	We've got one additional, um, I think of, Oh no, we have to son of a bitch, Andrew. It's your fault.
Andrew	Uh, son of a bitch. I want to talk first about the new Anna Digi, the new Arnie, the, the, uh, It's not a re-release. It's not a revamp. It's not a next-gen. It's a wholly new Seiko Anodigi diver. And it feels familiar, but it's wholly new. Wholly new. So they have
Everett	It feels like you're having a little bit of trouble making words with your mouth.
Andrew	I'm burping. I'm like covering my burps with, because for some reason I shook my beer when I knocked my funny bone. Whole new movement. Whole new Anodigi movement. The H855, which is an upgrade to the H51, or 851. Solar powered, Anodigi, alarm, stopwatch, second time zone, battery-saving mode, which I'm sure there's going to be something in the user manual as to how to do that. I'm not entirely sure what a battery-saving mode will do in your Anodigi movement because the battery's not really getting eaten a whole lot.
Everett	You know, I don't know how it works. I think the 851 has that as well. The other thing, they've moved the digital read to the 6 o'clock side from the 12 o'clock So that's one of the big changes.
Andrew	And I really like the way they did it, too. Typically, when you see an anodigy six o'clock movement, you're looking at about two thirds of the way down the dial. This is justified bottom all the way down. Justify your bottom.
Everett	You could. But there's There's more to this movement.
Andrew	There, there's also a problem that I'll address right away.
Everett	Okay. So wait, wait, wait, wait, before you get to your problem, we can address your problem, but we haven't finished talking about this movement because we've talked about really basic bitch shit, but this movement, I'm not a basic bitch, is doing something else. This movement is automatically. So a measuring depth up to 80 meters and automatically add a meter and a half. starting a dive timer, timing your dives, timing your time at depth, and then unrecording automatically and saving the recording to be uploaded. Basically, this is a hybrid dive watch, almost not quite, obviously, nowhere near the level of detail and functionality you'd get with a dive computer, but For someone who is familiar with dive tables, this is absolutely something that could be used on a real live dive. I don't know about accuracy.
Andrew	This is spear fishing, free diving, dive computer technology introduced into this movement.
Everett	Not quite dive computer, but something in between a traditional... It's not full reliance on tables here. Well, you still need to know the tables, but... It's important, yeah. This is great. And they're, they're like the most expensive of these I think is 750 bucks.
Andrew	Yeah. But it's only at 80 meters.
Everett	No, no, no, no.
Andrew	It's a, I think it's a 300 meter. It measures 80 meters. That's the, that's the issue.
Everett	It will measure depth to an actual IRL 80 meters.
Andrew	Which is valuable. But I feel like if you're going to have a water resistance North of that, you should be able to measure depth to your depth.
Everett	No, nobody goes deeper than fucking 80 meters.
Andrew	No, but you, I just, I don't know. I feel like that was a missed opportunity to be able to compensate or commensurate those two things. No, not, not commensurate. Uh, what I'm looking for is reconcile, reconcile those two things. Your, your, your dive capability against your dive readability.
Everett	You know, who knows why they made that decision? There may be a practical reason that they didn't.
Andrew	If anyone dives to 80 meters, they're going to die. That's why they made that decision.
Everett	Uh, this watch is really neat. You know, I'm not a diver. I'm not in open water very often. So I like to get wet with that said, this is, I actually feel like this is kind of a, you know, citizen, I believe still makes Aqua land watches, uh, with, with depth modules. Um, but this is maybe, maybe, uh, a version of that highly, uh, a little bit more modern. but also with this great Arnie tuna like form factor. This thing's really cool. I'm into it. I dig it.
Andrew	This is my kind of tool watch like this. The workhorse are my kind of tool watches. They will always be able to outperform me. They're not wildly expensive. They have, you know, this has more features than the workhorse, but this is the kind of watch that I would buy and be like, yeah, I'm cool. I love this watch, and I love the Anodyche. I love the layout of the Anodyche dial. They nailed it.
Everett	Last but not least, we've got a reissue in three colorways of the 6105. Yeah. Stoplight secondhand. Full sort of 6105 dial in all of its glory. Very, very subtle 430 dates. So all of your, all of your hour markers glow, glow, glow, beautiful, beautiful, beautiful coin edge bezel, which listen, this coin edge bezel is amazing. 6105 is, I want to say the 6105 is the, the successor, so it's like the second watch, the successor to the 62 MAS. This has got a really very Seiko case, a tonneau case is what I'd call this.
Andrew	Yeah, I think that's the only thing to call it.
Everett	It's got a bit of an H, a squared lug situation, 430 crown. And this is a really faithful reproduction. They're 200 meter watches. But this is, I think I'd call this a, uh, I think I'd call this a, a dress diver. 41 millimeters, super short, 47 millimeter lug to lug, like a skunch over 12.3 millimeters tall.
Andrew	Six hour 35 movement. This is, yeah, no, I think you're right. This is very much an embracing of that seventies. This is your watch. This is the watch you wear. and you want some functionality from it feel.
Everett	And they've done some things here. It's got a, um, it's got a five link bracelet. The ones that the, the versions that come on the bracelet, you can get the sun rubber or on a bracelet. The bracelet versions have this beautiful five link, which is pretty subtle. The case back on this thing is got a Seiko wave and is otherwise sterile.
Andrew	Like a Seiko wave medallion. Yeah.
Everett	Um, Yeah, dude, I'm kind of into these.
Andrew	I'm really into these.
Everett	These are going to be thousand thousand pounds on a brace, a thousand bucks on a on rubber and twelve hundred on a strap. Yeah. On a bracelet.
Andrew	Super cool release. I'd like to see them start embracing the 70s feel in in just like the next.
Everett	You'd like Seiko to start embracing the 70s feel.
Andrew	I'd like to see them embracing this in between the like three to seven hundred dollar range. Because I could get down with this. I just don't want to spend a grand on this watch, which is what you should spend on this watch. I just, I don't know. If anybody wants to give me a Christmas present.
Everett	Or, you know. Get them one of these 6105 reissues. If a thousand of you. What are our references? So SPB 317. 313 and 315. These all have J designators, which I think is problematic.
Andrew	You're going to have to buy them from Nom Nom and whatever. Yeah, like their customer service is great. Their shipping is great. They send through DHL, so you know you're going to get it and you know you're going to get it fast.
Everett	Andrew, did we make it through all the Seiko that we're going to talk about today? We didn't make it through. I know there's at least one Seiko we didn't make it through, but we made it through all the ones that we picked. We made it through enough. What do you got? What else? What else do you got? Because you had some other stuff.
Andrew	Well, I did, and I were just going to do a quick one. The Mike Collins. Oh, gosh. Pull up. Oh, I did pull it up. The Michael Collins Gold Speedmaster. Little bit of a surprise here. Omega didn't buy it, but in the Omega. Museum. Yeah, it sold for a bucket. Yeah, it sold for 300.
Everett	I think this watch sold for like 40 grand two years ago, three years ago, and it sold for three quarters of a million bucks.
Andrew	Oh, that's what it sold for 765. But an unnamed insider was that Omega didn't buy this because they wanted the Speedmaster. Enthusiasts to be able to have it, so the Mike Collins' gold commemorative Speedmaster has gone to a probably private individual. It's in the wild. It's in the wild, which means, maybe most importantly, that in the next probably 50 years, it'll come back. So start saving. because it's going to go for more than three quarters of a million, but it's sold and it's not going to the Omega Museum, which is kind of shocking that Omega wouldn't try to consolidate that history in the Omega Museum. And obviously because he went through an online auction house, there's no way to know where it went.
Everett	The article you sent me on this said that Omega's got this watch from other astronauts already, already in the museum.
Andrew	So they do, but it's, it's still like to imagine to have all 32 in the museum, right? That's, that's, you know, that would be a $32 million endeavor for Omega, but the, you know, I don't know how much they charge for admission.
Everett	And Omega's obviously got the money to afford that. Yeah. Uh, yeah, no, this is, that's interesting. Uh, it's an interesting watch. Uh, you, you know, when we look at the, I always get a little, my, my eyes gloss over a little bit when we start talking about these crazy auction watches, but I'm just, I'm, I'm a little shocked that Omega didn't buy it, but Mike Collins watches in the wild. Now you sent me an article, uh, and we'll, we'll actually sent this to our group chat earlier. Um, about a brand that I, we talked about a little bit on the show, not a ton, but an article about a brand called Norkane, which, uh, our, our good friend, Catlin Schmidt works for Norkane now, which is, has sort of, uh, invigorated my interest in the brand.
Andrew	And they're also kind of the darling of the small brand world right now in the way of big media.
Everett	Yeah. The, you know, I think that Norkane came onto the scene sort seemingly out of nowhere a handful of years ago, and they have some interesting design details that are maybe take it or leave it. But they're pretty, pretty pricey watches for a brand new brand. Yeah. And so, you know, a lot of people have a lot of opinions about Narcane. For my part, they're totally gorgeous and really, really obviously, once you touch them, well constructed and fun to wear. Norkan announced this morning that they had retained Jean-Claude Biver of... I think it's Jean-Claude Beaver.
Andrew	Beaver.
Everett	They retained Mr. Beaver as an advisor, as a formal advisor. On the board. Jean-Claude Biver of Tag Heuer, Breitling. Yeah. Fame.
Andrew	You know, obviously one... Blancpain, Hugh Blow.
Everett	One of the most famous people in, you know, modern Swiss watchmaking has joined up as an advisor. I think this is a board position. I think that this is largely a arm's length board kind of all being sort of construction. Who knows what his actual role is. Adjacency is valuable here. You know, I actually kind of bristle at this and And I don't bristle at it. Anybody can do anything they want, but I, cause of Switzerland in this case, usually I say because of America, but it kind of feels like, well, what does this actually mean? Is this, is this a real thing? It, or is this, um, is this a, uh, sort of a weird, almost like slight of hand celebrity endorsement?
Andrew	Ooh. I never thought of it like that. I always thought of it as bringing in a, almost a creative director.
Everett	Well, like I said, I don't know, I don't know what he's going to provide the brand with in terms of advising. And I don't know how much time or information transfer that this, that this entails. I don't know what, I don't know anything about it, but it feels a little bit Like, I'm skeptical. I should just say that. I'm skeptical. It feels a little... I don't know. At least, potentially tacky to me.
Andrew	I can see it. I'm mostly excited about it because I see the cool stuff that Narcana is doing. And I think that a lot of the reason they're doing this cool stuff is because they're this young, imaginative, innovative brand And I think by kind of introducing this staple, like this cornerstone personality to it, they have that ability to create longevity in that innovation, but also still staying really true to what watch people like. Like we don't want to see Norkain go weird. which is easy to do, but he has this institutional knowledge.
Everett	It goes back, what, three decades? Well, yeah, look, look, obviously Biver is very well respected and I really, I can't sort of profess any knowledge about what he's done. But what I do know is that he was part of resurrecting Blancpain from, from actual nothing.
Andrew	Yeah, zombying Blancpain.
Everett	And helming Blancpain through the first, you know, 15 to 16 years of its resurrection period. And then going to Breitling... During the courts crisis. Just after, well, yeah. 1981. So just sort of post the major effects of the courts crisis. But then also helming Breitling and Tag Heuer through what I'd probably describe as maybe some dark times. I don't know. I'm just
Andrew	This guy's responsible for the Omega James Bond, pardon me, the Omega James Bond relationship.
Everett	Yeah, you know, this may be a really cool thing. I'm happy for Norkain. Obviously what it means is Norkain has come from being a a nothing brand to... They're a major player.
Andrew	I think that's the takeaway. They're a player. They have made the leap between being a small boutique brand to becoming a major player. And I think that was maybe their flex to say, hey, we're there, but also like the final step to demonstrate we can be, they achieved it and now they are. Yeah.
Everett	Yeah. What else do you got? I think we're through most of the watch stuff. Have we gone through it? Well, you know, we've got a couple more here if you wanted to talk about.
Andrew	I don't know. We're at 55 minutes right now.
Everett	Andrew, other things.
Andrew	What do you got? I bought a mattress in a box.
Everett	I, as I do, cut a hole in the box and
Andrew	Well, I did a lot of things with the said box. That's none of your business. Bought a mattress in a box. And like I do, I researched it. As you do. The problem is that there wasn't a lot of consensus.
Everett	The problem is that mattress reviews are 100% bought and paid for. Yes. A hundred, a hundred percent.
Andrew	Nobody has the same number one mattress.
Everett	Well, that's I mean, this is subjective, right?
Andrew	Right. But nobody has it. Nobody has it. 100% bought and paid for reviews. So. I finally found a review on a not. Mattress or really even mattress adjacent website. It was from an architecture digest. Just this guy who writes reviews for things on this architecture website. And he reviewed all of the same mattresses that were number one everywhere else.
Everett	And does this include a lamentation about the state of mattress reviews as well?
Unknown	No. No.
Andrew	OK. He just said. These are the number one mattresses. No, he just said, these are the mattresses that I reviewed. Oh, OK. I slept on them. There's no meta. Yeah, I slept on them. This is the this is the order. This is the mattress I would buy. This is number two, three, four, et cetera. The number one mattress that he recommended was. Alswell, A-L-L-S-W-E-L-L. Alswell? In my head, I would pronounce it Alswell.
Everett	Alswell.
Andrew	I can't decide. It's either All Swell or... It's All Swell, because you know what happens when you have a good night's sleep. I think All Swell. It's All Swell, let me tell you something. So we got the brick.
Everett	Man, do you ever wonder why people listen to us?
Andrew	All the time. Yeah. We've been doing this for three years where we're a hundred and... So you get a brick. So I get the All Swell brick. They're hybrid mattresses, which means they have spring technology. Foam technology, memory foam technology, copper infused cooling foam technology. Not 100% sure what that means. So it arrived super quick, five days. Yeah, that's fast. Comes to my house. It's very fucking heavy. It's a mattress. Getting this bitch up a flight of stairs and into my bedroom by myself was upsetting. But I did it because I got woken up. I was in the middle of a sleep cycle, got woken up with the delivery guy, delivered the mattress. The dogs barked, woke me up. It's like, fuck it, I'll go down and I'll open up the mattress. Let it start to inflate.
Everett	Decompress, if you will.
Andrew	Inflate is the terminology they use because they're vacuum packed. Yeah. Right. They build the mattress. They vacuum seal it. They put it in a box. They send it to your house. They have a hundred day. No question, a hundred day, no questions asked return. And so this was not only was it the. Number one mattress from a in from a website that has no interest. In reviewing mattresses. It was also the least expensive. Oh, that's nice. It's $875 for a king size mattress. For a hundred days of no questions asked returns. I was like, this is kind of my jam. This is the thing you take a flyer on. It's 875 bucks. It's literally no risk. If I don't like it, I will return it, get my money back and then spend the money on a Casper or a purple or like Any of the other any of the other top rated brands that also have similar.
Everett	You could get like a year and a half for free.
Andrew	You could get more than that. Everyone's got 100 nights or a year. So I got the brick. It inflates. Put it on the bed. Wife sleeps on it. She's like, I don't know. I sleep on it. And I wake up the next morning in excruciating pain. Like when I wake up, I'm not sure I can move. But as I'm like coming to awareness, I realize it's because I'm waking up in exactly the same position I fell asleep in. You like haven't moved at all. At all. I have like bed sores. And I was like, well, that's interesting.
Everett	Meanwhile, I didn't see you for four days.
Andrew	Yeah, that's important. I was like, that's interesting. I just slept longer than I've slept in years. And I didn't move. Hmm. Huh. We have 100 nights and like I wake up and I kind of like stretch the kinks out and I'm like, man, I actually feel pretty good. I'm still a week later, so I'm seven, eight nights on this bed. I still Wake up in exactly the same position I fell asleep in. Still a little sore. Because you're not moving. Because you don't move. I don't move when I sleep and I have had like diagnosed sleep disorders and sleep disturbances for the last decade. I'm sleeping through it. I'm getting the Absolutely. And this this bed's not going to be for everyone. It's a pillow. It is effectively an extra firm with a pillow top. Mm hmm. That's what I like, which is baller for me. I need an extra firm with a pillow top.
Everett	Has Sam come around at all?
Andrew	Yes. Oh, she is also like the reason she wasn't sure was because she also woke up very sore.
Everett	She didn't move. Oh, interesting. This is
Andrew	You guys are just sleeping really deeply. Super deep. And that might be commentary on the fact that we needed to replace our mattress about four years ago. But for 875 bucks for the brick and their mattresses range, I think the brick isn't their most expensive. They've got a couple other lines north of it and a couple lines south of it. This is the least expensive mattress in a box. 100 nights guaranteed. If you're in the window to be replacing your mattress, this is a flyer worth taking. Give them a try. Because the worst case scenario is you just return it. I don't know what their return policy is like, and honestly, I probably won't experience it because I'm sleeping like a dead person. Yeah. It's money. It's not as cooling, I'll say, as their ads are like, oh yeah, the copper cools you. It's not as cooling. As they might suggest. Not your experience.
Everett	But are you sleeping hot?
Andrew	I always sleep hot. I would. My ideal conditions are about 35 degrees ambient temperature. Yeah. Under a comforter.
Unknown	Yeah.
Andrew	That's not for everyone. That's for me.
Everett	Sure. No, I'm semi. But maybe not 35.
Andrew	But no, I want it like just I mean, I've woken up with my head outside of my sleeping bag. under inches of snow and been like, that's the best sleep I've gotten in months. Um, that's how I want it. Well, cool. This, and this is like true to form. I found the outlier, like you don't review mattresses and you say this is the best. I'm going to trust you, which most people wouldn't do because that fella doesn't review mattresses. Right. If you're in the market, I highly recommend the Allswell mattress. specifically the brick. That's the only one I've slept on where I'm not being, we're not being sponsored by this, but I'm telling you, I bet we could be if we wanted to.
Everett	I bet that's, that's the first thing we've ever talked about on the show that if we really wanted to try to get a sponsorship, I sleep like a fucking dead person. Uh, Andrew, I got another thing. Do me. I was recently in the market for a tool bag.
Andrew	Interesting choice. Am I not sufficient for you anymore?
Everett	Uh, I, I bought a tool set. Actually, I think it was a gift when Kim and I first got married. So 2006, I got a tool kit, like one of those, like $30. Here's every tool you're ever going to need. It's all covered in rust. Yeah, there, there were terrible tools. Uh, but it came in, it came in a bag, uh, a decent sort of denier nylon type of bag, and I still have it today. Looks like duck cloth. Uh, no, no, no. This is the old tool kit. Oh, okay. Yeah, yeah. So this denier nylon tool bag, and I've used that for my main sort of tool storage for years, but it's pretty small and it doesn't take much to fill it up. And it's fine. It's been fine. There's been no real issues, but it's just not big enough. It's not big enough to sort of practically hold the tools I want for like, you know, you pick the tools up from the bench and you move them to wherever in the house, the bathroom or wherever. It just doesn't hold kind of what I want it to hold. And so I was in the market for a tool bag. I almost, almost bought a thing at Home Depot the last time I was there. Cause I saw something and I was like, I need a tool bag. It was like 60, 70 bucks. It's like, this looks fine. And so I almost bought this like Milwaukee or something, you know, whatever, probably Chinese made, um, maybe fine. But also like if I'm going to spend 70 bucks on a tool bag, let's go find something, find the right thing, find the right thing, just do a little bit of research. So I instantly, uh, notice that there's not a lot of like There's not a lot of consolidated information because everybody's kind of got a different idea and this is not a highly complicated task, right? I need a bag to throw tools in to basically store them most of the time and then every once in a while carry them around. So I sort of run through the various options and I think it was Wirecutter actually Makes mention of an American made bag from a company that I'm familiar with called Klein tools Klein tools is an American tool company and They're very well respected especially amongst like electricians Still make a lot of their tools in the US if not most And they're just a very highly respected company They make a canvas, what I'd call a lineman tool bag. This is a white number eight canvas sort of rivet reinforced framed bag. And I bought the biggest one they make, 86 bucks, 24 inches. It's got sort of a water resistant vinyl leatherette. on the bottom. Oh, I kind of wish it was leather on the bottom, but veg tan leather handles and buckles, uh, 17 pockets. Did you pay for shipping? No, no. I bought it from Amazon.
Andrew	So it says 86 bucks plus $10 in shipping.
Everett	Nah, I think I, I think I got this on prime. Um, anyway, I was like, I don't know what I don't know. So I ordered this bag from Klein. It shows up today. And it's it's incredible. It's super well made. It's the pockets are great. It's huge. It's probably too big, actually, I probably should have gone. I got the 24. I probably should have got a 21. But the 24 is fine. I just want like more is more. Right.
Andrew	Exactly.
Everett	Because of America. This thing's made in the US. It's got like just a ton of really cool features and I and I love it. I'd like instantly now I've got this tool bag that I'm like I'm gonna have to do more projects because I have to drag my tools around now because I want to carry this thing. But what I was going to say about this thing. This thing's got a really sort of classic simple styling. And I think if you wanted you could use this for like a weekend or duffle perhaps. It's a little thin. It's not really duffel shaped.
Andrew	It's close to it though for a weekender. It's not quite as bulbous. Yeah. It's taller. Taller. Yeah.
Everett	But I just love it. I got it. And I was like, I was instantly like, what can I do with this bag to like show it off? Cause this thing's fucking cool. Uh, so now I've got a new tool bag. That's my other thing for the week. I never, I, again, I know about this company, but you won't find these at Home Depot or Lowe's. You're going to have to order them direct from Klein or they are available on Amazon. Uh, if, if you want to look, but check this out. I, like I said, this is what, what I'd call a lineman tool bag. And it's sort of a classic sort of Americana style with this white canvas and, uh, you know, natural unstained leather.
Andrew	Um, Mine's saying my, my internet is saying $73.99 from Home Depot right now. I imagine it has to ship to store for pickup.
Everett	Yeah. I don't think they have them in the store. Um, but Yeah, I think this thing is really freaking cool and I've loaded it up with tools and I carried around the cows and the kids made fun of me.
Andrew	Well, they would because they don't know what they're talking about.
Everett	And it's got clients like lineman logo on it. Yeah, it's neat. This is a cool bag. That's all I've got to say about it. But I'm happy to explain more. I know you've got questions.
Andrew	I'm out of questions.
Everett	Andrew, Andrew, Andrew. What else do you want to talk about before we go today?
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Unknown	So that's
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