Episode 185 - Watches Roundup

Published on Wed, 11 May 2022 23:43:13 -0700

Synopsis

The podcast episode is a roundup discussion where the hosts talk about various recent watch news and releases. They discuss expensive auction watches like the record-breaking Gerald Genta Royal Oak and Michael Collins' Apollo 11 Speedmaster. They also cover new releases from brands like Citizen, Doxa, Hamilton, and Timex's new Q GMT line. The hosts share their thoughts and opinions on these watches, sometimes critically analyzing who the target audience might be. Additionally, they discuss other topics like a Netflix documentary on "The Price is Right" and the movie "The Lost City" starring Sandra Bullock and Channing Tatum.

Transcript

Speaker
Andrew Hello, fellow watch lovers, nerds, enthusiasts, or however you identify. You're listening to 1420, the Watch Clicker podcast with your host Andrew and my good friend Everett. Here we talk about watches, food, drinks, life, and other things we like. Everett, how are you?
Everett Oh my gosh, I'm so great. Andrew, you look great. I feel great. Looking good.
Andrew You're looking handsome, healthy. Thank you. Well rested.
Everett You know, it's like every time we meet to do this show where I feel like I have not breathed. Breast. Breast. Yeah. In the last, you know, week basically. But here I am.
Andrew Looking dad as fuck right now.
Everett This is the dad outfit.
Andrew Of 1998. Right.
Everett New balances. The only thing I'm missing is a braided belt.
Andrew Braided leather belt. Yeah.
Everett Yeah, but if I had a braided leather belt, this would be chef's kiss.
Andrew It would be complete with the mustache.
Everett Uh, and my socks are maybe a little, yeah, they're not white Cruz, a little fashion forward. Yeah, they're not white Cruz, but no, this is like deliberate dad outfit at this point.
Andrew No, you don't, that doesn't happen on accident. I hope we would have, I wouldn't comment on it if it was by accident. Like, Oh, this is where we are now.
Everett Uh, you guys can't see the magic at home, but I assure you it is magical.
Andrew It's yeah. It's doing a thing for a lot of people with daddy issues.
Everett So I don't know if, if this is public knowledge, but I've been rocking a mustache here. Well, it is right. Cause it's all over the Instagrams. You went to wind up with it. Uh, I, I ran into a friend the other day, a colleague as it were. And he asked me if I had joined a Ned Flanders metal band. He said, did you, did you join it? Yeah. Yeah. And I said yes without missing a beat, which I felt good about.
Andrew You should consider buying a black leather vest and chaps just, you know, to complete the ensemble.
Everett I might be too much for people to handle. That might be too. It might be a little. It might be like a too much right for the world.
Andrew I think there's a specific subset of people who'd be really into it. They might not be the people you're looking to, you know, attract.
Everett Hey, I like attention. I like attention as much as the next guy.
Andrew Oh, then you'll then. No, that's good for you. Chaps in a black leather vest. No shirt, obviously. Andrew, how are you? I'm good. I had a training day today, so I'm like on the very I had a long training day. Usually our training days aren't like they don't bill out the whole 10 hours. They're like, hey, you know, here, have a long lunch. This is what we have for you today was every bit of a full training day. And then I had about an hour and a half of, um, I had another meeting later in the day. So I had a long day, you know, like, and then mix into that, trying to pick up and drop off kids around my wife's work schedule. And it was, it was a long day.
Everett Yeah. Yeah. You know, you know, when you're in the army and like, you have like, like standard sort of in-service training days, which are super easy, everybody sort of rolls in at eight 30, you get this long lunch. And then everybody kind of leaves at 430 and then there's other army training days, which are really terrible, but you normally know, right?
Andrew Yeah. You're, you're prepped ahead of time.
Everett I was not prepped for this. That was always my, my least favorite thing when you'd show up to a thing and you thought, okay, these are going to be short days, long lunches, early afternoons. And then they'd be like, everybody reported six 15 for PT. We'll be doing this all week. And you're like, Oh,
Andrew That was a nice part about being in command is that I'd never surprised people with those kinds of things. I'm like, Hey, prep yourself. Saturday is going to be butt, but Sunday, I promise you're leaving at three. Cause I want to leave at three and I make the rules.
Everett Andrew, we've got a super long episode because we're going to do a roundup this week.
Andrew Cause a lot has happened in the last several weeks that wasn't windup related or some really great interviews.
Everett And sometimes we do roundups because we have nothing else to talk about. This week we're doing a roundup because there's so much rammed up to talk about that we were like, we got to do it. We got to do it. It's too much happening.
Andrew Yeah. Too many, too many big things that we have to get the scoop on by way of other people's scoops. Some things that we, that we hope if you haven't heard about them, we'll, we'll inform you.
Everett We purely regurgitate the scoops though.
Andrew But things that we want to talk about, cause things that are exciting for us, like things that got, that got my engine revving, for the last, I don't know, month or so of watch news.
Everett Yeah, and so we've cut this off a bit arbitrarily because, you know, we can't talk about everything. I mean, we did the math on this episode and it'd be like a two and a half hour episode. So we've narrowed this down. We've curated our selection.
Andrew We are curators.
Everett And can we just start with the most expensive watch ever sold at auction?
Andrew I think, yeah, that's a good place to start because we can only go down from there.
Everett 2,107,000 francs. You pronounce it frank franks, right? Yeah, that's the word I'll accept.
Andrew So hang down.
Everett Gerald Genta, I've never heard of this guy. I guess he is. He was someone who's kind of important. I don't know. He was in the Swiss watch industry just as somebody like peripheral, but apparently people care about him and he had a. royal oak that he owned a one-of-a-kind royal oak ademar piquet is how you say that i think uh and it was auctioned this week by soul the bees two million francs just over two million francs that is fucking nuts and and the articles i've read about this all sort of allude to it perhaps being one of the most important watches ever based on the way Sotheby's described it, but I mean, it may actually be one of the, you know, maybe top four or five.
Andrew I mean, this is, it's a, it's a first of its kind, right? I mean, it's a, it's an iconic, it's, it's the first of what became one of the most iconic watches.
Everett Yeah. Well, and I don't know that it was like the first off of the, well, it's probably the conveyor belt or whatever. That's not what you're saying. Yeah.
Andrew It's huge. And the other thing about it is, and I think one of the most impressive parts to me, it kind of looks like a nothing. It's super understated. I'm like, no, I've seen this watch. There's hundreds of this watch. It's unique, right? It's special. It's beautiful, but nothing, nothing about it stands out without the ownership the previous owner and without kind of its place in history. If you just look at this in a lineup of other watches, you don't pick it out as a special watch.
Everett It's just a kind of a basic bitch Royal Oak, but it's like the coolest watch in the world.
Andrew Yeah.
Everett Well, so it's also an immaculate condition. So I did bid on this, but I couldn't. So I had like 1.8 million francs and I thought maybe I was going to get it.
Andrew The nice part is they didn't ask for proof of means when you put your bids in. Right? Like, you know, some of those houses where they're like, you can't see it without proof of means. Like you gotta, you gotta pay for the right to even tour the house. You didn't have to pay for the right to bid for this watch. I, and I'm glad that I didn't win it because it would have been a hard conversation.
Everett Have you ever done that before where you bid on something in an auction where you're like, please, somebody else bid, please, please, please, please. I have done that.
Andrew The only time I was ever comfortable doing that was with the Al Capone estate. But I wasn't able to get in and bid. The website fucking crashed when they were doing the auctioning.
Everett I bid on a painting once, and I had that moment where I was like, Oh, what have I done? Oh, God. And then someone bid me. It was quick, too, but I was like, OK, silent auction.
Andrew Just go cross your name off.
Everett No, it ain't me, babe.
Andrew I was wrong.
Everett Uh, yeah. So, I mean, that's all we have to say about that, right? I mean, it's, it's, it's cool. That's a cool story.
Andrew Cool watch news for sure. Can we do another auction real quick? Will you please? Uh, we got a Apollo 11. Yeah. Michael Collins Speedmaster.
Everett And just to be clear, we're going to talk about two auction watches from this last week, but this, this last month has been nuts for auction watches. So it's kind of a season. So we should talk about this gold speedy because.
Andrew Yeah, damn, because it's cool for for a number of reasons. Number one, it's Michael Collins, who was one of who was the the module commander for Apollo 11, right? He's the one orbiting the moon while everyone else is down on the moon. On return, this isn't his watch worn in space, and I think that's an important distinction to make, right? This is the gold. with red bezel commemorative, the presidential Apollo 11 special edition release. And I want to say that they, they made 134 of them, maybe more than that. They made quite a few, but only less than 50, 1014. Okay. So 1014, 34, I want to say went to Apollo crew. Like Apollo crew and space crew and flight crew and that whole.
Everett Yeah. And they don't, you know, it's kind of shrouded secrecy, but they think 34 went.
Andrew But. Astronauts. The three astronauts all had their personally engraved watches presented to them. And Michael Collins, who, who passed away two years ago, last year. Sounds right. Relatively recently. Um, his estate is kind of slowly being auctioned off and this is among the items that's being auctioned off. And interestingly enough, he also had a Rolex auctioned off that two years ago that sold for like $37,000 and wasn't even this special. It was just like, it was just engraved MC on the back. This has the engraving on the back astronaut Michael Collins. to mark man's conquest of space with time through time on time. Gemini 10 through Apollo 11.
Everett Did you ever did this? The auction on this is Oh no. So current bid $105,000. Yeah.
Andrew Which is relatively affordable. Yeah. Kind of surprisingly low given the status of this guy.
Everett Also the rarity of this watch cheaper than just a bone stock Royal Oak. Yeah.
Andrew Yeah. I mean shit. It's like on price with an Explorer one from this year. Um, But such a such a cool piece of history. And I'm I know it's going to go to a collector or someone who's really going to appreciate it. I sort of wish that like the Smithsonian would step in and buy this.
Everett Yeah. Yeah. Can we talk about a couple of watches from our favorite disrespected Japanese watch brand?
Andrew I think we ought to.
Everett So Citizen, we've talked about Citizen some recently. In fact, we had a whole episode not entirely about Citizen, but certainly devoted to Citizen. Uh, this was a great pick, but the Star Wars May 4th Suno chronograph. So this is what I'd call a bullhead chronograph.
Andrew I think everyone would agree and call those that.
Everett Okay. And they're, and they're Star Wars. So you've got, we've got a Darth Maul, we've got an R2D2, we've got a C-3PO.
Andrew Uh, your cadence on C-3PO is strange. C-3PO. The emphasis on the on the O is so strange. And then a Darth Vader.
Everett Is that the fourth one? Oh, yeah. Yeah, yeah. That's right.
Andrew Yeah, it's just chess panels and shit.
Everett So there's a three hundred seventy five bucks. Yeah. Uh, you know, for a citizen chronograph, which I think we sort of have discussed this adjacently, but we or at least I really like the citizen chronograph movement, their courts chronograph movement, even perhaps over, uh, Mecca courts. I know Will wrote about this recently in his review of the Vero workhorse that there are some benefits to that, uh, to that movement. Uh, but so, you know, this is going to be a citizen movement, obviously, you know, for our courts chronograph, this is pretty cool. And these watches are cool. They are without being obscene, they're clever. I think the Darth Maul one.
Andrew Darth Maul and even Darth Vader I think are a little obscene. They're like pure novelty watches.
Everett A little on the nose for Darth Maul. Oh yeah. I mean literally actually on the nose in some respects.
Andrew They integrated it really well. That center ring on the three and nine subdials are his eyes and they captured that red and orange eye color.
Everett And the bullhorns. Yeah. I mean, it works.
Andrew It works really well, but it's maybe the best working of all of them. Yeah.
Everett C3PO is good to see that.
Andrew So C3PO is almost indiscernible. It could pass as just a gold bullhead chronograph.
Everett And it also could just pass for C3PO's face.
Andrew Yeah. And I think it's the least offensive, the least novelty of all of them.
Everett And maybe also for similar reasons, the most offensive. It's like almost like borderline indecent.
Andrew Yeah, perhaps. The R2-D2 is really, I think, probably the most cleverly done and could most easily pass as not a novelty watch. Because those sub-dials are going to be small. Unless you know what you're looking at, you're not going to pick up on the fact that it's R2-D2 parts. Like the three o'clock sub-dial is a top-down view of R2-D2's dome, like his melon. And then the six o'clock is like the top third of R2-D2. And the nine o'clock is the middle third of R2-D2. Like you get these different snapshots of R2-D2's workings.
Everett How about, how about? Eight different 44 millimeter NY0040. Yeah, they lit it up. Reissues.
Andrew They lit it up. That black one with the, like the all loomed dial is doing it
Everett Yeah. So, so Citizen obviously famously has made their NY0040 dive watch, maybe one of the longest running dive watches of all time. Uh, Japanese automatic dive watches. Uh, this, this sort of reissue of these, I think they've got different, uh, numbers. So I think this is the NY0015 is the base number on these. 44 millimeters, 13 millimeter case. Uh, famously Destro eight o'clock crown citizen eight 8,200 movement, which, um, okay. Uh, that's fine. It's a hacking movement. It's great. But also at 550 to 700 bucks on these, it could be, it could be a 9,000 movement. It's not. And that is what it is. 200 meters. I mean, this is, it's exactly what you expect, right? It's sort of a nothing release and also a really, really neat release. I suspect that the RP on these is probably higher than these will actually go for.
Andrew Yeah, right now the RP is between 550 and 695, so seven. It's a little more.
Everett I think we'll see these at sub 500.
Andrew Yeah, I think three to five is where they'll land. All the colorways are really good except for the three tone.
Everett Oh, I like it. You mean the blue, the blue gold and silver? Yeah. Yeah.
Andrew I like it. I'm not a big fan.
Everett It's actually probably my favorite of the eight.
Andrew Really?
Everett I think so.
Andrew I'm all about that full loom. So they have, they dropped, uh, four DLC cases, black DLC cases, and four, well, three stainless and then one two-tone and all the color ways you'd expect, but for the DLC with a full dial, which I think is really dope and might have just put a watch on my buy list that I full fully expect. I'll probably never wear, but I just want to have that watch.
Everett So if you're that guy that's ever said, I want a Fugu, but I want it to be way fucking bigger. Mm hmm. Here you go. They're available. I think they're cool. I'm not sure who they're for. I know they're for somebody.
Andrew That's kind of the question I always have with citizen releases is like, who are you targeting right now? A lot of brands, they drop and like, okay, like the new presage, like, okay, I get it. You're, you're going after those, those minimalist Seiko lovers. Like they're doing a cool ceramic dial. Like you're getting these really cool touches. That makes sense. I see the target audience. I don't really see the target audience for this.
Everett You know, I think a lot of people have been, you know, these things are cyclical, right? So five years ago, everybody's screaming for smaller watches. Will somebody please make a smaller watch? You know, now that everything's small, it's kind of nice that someone's leaning back into a bigger watch, right?
Andrew Citizen never stopped that. They're not leaning in. They're just continuing their trajectory.
Everett Well, but the Fugu has always been 40 or 41, whatever it is. So I don't remember.
Andrew But that's in the current era. They're not going to... Citizen is not going to be the one starting the trending bigger. Like we're not going to go back to manhole covers because of Citizen's 44 millimeter Fugu release, right? Maybe. I just, I think it was, I don't know. I'd like this a lot more in 40. I'm totally tolerant of it in 44. You can get it in 40. Get a Fugu. But I want the full loom dial. That's a, that's not a lot to ask.
Everett I think you can find those. Speaking of who's your target audience, do you remember a couple months ago we talked about a watch brand called Doxa? No. Okay. Well, so Doxa is a company that was cool, and then dead, and then cool again, and then fired the guy that made it cool again, and he stole one of their ideas.
Andrew I think they stole one of his ideas. Perhaps.
Everett So we did our Doxa episode a few months ago and we talked about Synchron, the watch brand Synchron and how Synchron had released, I think they call it the military.
Andrew The military, the Synchron military.
Everett And we said at the time in that episode, right after this watch was announced, Doxa trolled Synchron with a post, an Instagram post, saying, you know, only trust the original. We've got one coming out.
Andrew And then never said shit again.
Everett And then never said shit again.
Andrew Radio silent. And that was a year like this. We're talking about a year ago was that post.
Everett If you have been following watches, you will see that now Doxa has released their Doxa army. They released their Doxa army.
Andrew They stepped it up a notch.
Everett Yeah, that's right. That's right. What do you call that? Anyway, they stepped it up a notch.
Andrew That's what I call that.
Everett Yeah. So not steel. Not PVD. No. They teamed up with James Lambden of Analog Shift to make a fully ceramic Doxa 300T. That's what this is, right?
Andrew Yeah.
Everett Oh, no, it's a Doxa Army. But yeah, I mean, it's a Doxa 300T though, right? Yeah. This thing's crazy. They only made what? I think they only made like eight of them or something.
Andrew That's not a very good middle finger. Right. All right. It's it's like it's that one under your breath as you're walking away, maybe over your shoulder. Like, fuck you. Yeah.
Everett Yeah, that's right. I mean, these things are super cool, right? If you had an opportunity to get these, I think you just get it right. You know, It's like, okay, I'll sell my car. I'll get another one. I'll just buy this and figure out what to do after that.
Andrew And in a year I'll sell it and buy three cars because there's only, there's a super limited edition. And I think that's a huge miss by Doxa. If you're going to, if you're going to dole out a middle finger, you got to deliver. Like this is, this is a Chihuahua that is for some reason barking like a Doberman through the door. When, when the company like Doxa gives you the like, prepare yourself instagram post and then kind of ghost you on it and then they show up with this this is a huge letdown it's cool as fuck if it is actually a watch this isn't a watch this is a novelty yeah i don't know if i i don't know if i agree with you on this and it doesn't matter uh i think it's actually really cool it's super cool but i want to be able to buy one like I want more than just like a handful of friends to be able to buy one. I want.
Everett You're going to have to go by the Synchron. Exactly. I do suspect that Doxa will follow this up with the DLC Steel version. That's my that's my suspicion on this. I don't know that I don't have any. Obviously, I don't have any inside information, but if I had to guess I'd put money if I if I was a betting man, as I say, I would put money on Docs have followed this up with a DLC or maybe a carbon or something.
Andrew But the thing is that this is not. I don't know. This this doesn't. This doesn't sit well with me where you're going to like mother fuck somebody and then show up with a limited edition release like this.
Everett You know, the guys on the great NATO, James Stacy and Jason Heaton, they talked about this in their last episode and they both surmised that this thing must have been in development. Before synchron announced the military and I'm not so sure of that. I mean, I what do I know? I don't know anything, but I don't I don't know that that's true I think that there's a chance they could have pulled this together in the time since that so Absolutely, they could It's we're looking at 18 months for a material.
Andrew They've worked with a material their collaborators worked with on a platform that they've already produced in mass. This isn't 18 months of work. I just, I can't accept that it is.
Everett What's next?
Andrew Oh, what is next? Should we, uh, there's an article that I kind of want to talk about cause it's right up our alley. Talk about it. It is a Fratello article by Thor Svobo. I don't know. By Thor. These Scandinavian names, there's vowels in places that they don't belong. There shouldn't be a vowel there. And consonants everywhere. There's just no world where three vowels should go together. But the article is Finding Joy in Variety. And I'm sorry, Thor, for messing up your name in so much as everyone does it. And you can feel free to send us a voice message should you listen to this with how to say your name properly. Uh, finding joy in variety. Why buying 10 cheaper watches is more fun than saving for a grail. I'm it's so, so his whole premise of his article is that, you know, he's got a large collection of watches as I assume most of you listening have, uh, as we have. Yeah.
Everett And give me more.
Andrew And yeah, yeah, more is more and more is better. Uh, his thing is like about two thirds of his watch or of his watch collection is a rotating collection. And one of the joys of this hobby for him is the diversity and the trying new things and getting new things and enjoying new things as opposed to, you know, effectively watch fasting in, in acquisitions for a year, two years for these protracted periods of time to, uh, to save up for a grail watch. And I agree with him to some degree. Cause I love more is more, right? I'm all about getting new stuff. And I get, I get just as excited over buying a $50 watch as I do a multiple hundreds of dollar of watch. And it gets to my house and I like, I don't know how, both Will and Mike will like send us a picture of a closed box and be like, my watch got here today. I'm going to save it to her later. I'm going to open it, I don't know, tonight or tomorrow maybe. I'm like, what?
Everett I will stop whatever I'm doing.
Andrew Whatever I'm doing, I'll leave work. I'll come home. I'll call out sick. I'm opening that box. I am putting that thing on. Sticker's still on. I'm looking at it. I'm enjoying it. I'm going to size the bracelet and I'm going to wear it and I'm going to like be like a child on Christmas, like just strutting around the house in my new watch, though nothing has changed, and I'm gonna look at it all the time, and I'm gonna take pictures of it, and I'm just gonna, I'm gonna enjoy the shit out of it, because I'm so excited that I have this new watch, and hell yeah. But at the same time, that process of finding, and I think gray watches may be inappropriate for me, because I don't know if I really have have great watches in the way that this is once I acquire it, I'm going to be done because I'm just not ever going to be done. And that's, that's okay. That's just a, it's a thing that I live with. Um, but those big purchase, those big acquisition watches, I don't know if I'm more excited about getting them. And I kind of like that, that the fasting phase of, I know why I'm not buying new things right now.
Everett Yeah.
Andrew I'm passing on this thing that I like and that I know I'm going to like and that in fact I probably love and will love a lot so that I can have this other thing that I will love just as much, but it just takes me longer to get there.
Everett Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You know, I've just decided what my next watch is and I know what I need to do to get it. I'm kind of committed to not spending new money on this watch and nope.
Andrew Okay. Nope. I was like, that's a, but
Everett It's exciting, right? I know what I need to do to get it, and I've sort of got those plans in place. As far as that goes, it's part of that process, right? You know, picking the watch, I've sort of made the decision, I'm ready to go, and now I get the excitement of doing those things that I want to do to make it happen. Yeah, I'm with you. It's not better to And it's not an expensive watch, right? It's not a cheap watch either, but it's not an expensive watch. It's going to be just as fun because I'm being deliberate about the decision. So it's good. I hear what you're saying. He sort of downplays the idea of these grail purchases. And I think for good reason, right? It's overrated. It may be not overrated, right? And no offense to anybody at home.
Andrew I'm not suggesting- We've already offended him enough.
Everett Not suggesting that there's any, you know, I've just, you know, downsized my collection to buy one watch. Uh, so, so there's nothing wrong with that, but like, I looked at my box the other day and it's like stupid AMW 320, this Casio. I'm never going to sell that watch. I'm never going to sell it. And I love it. And I want to have it. I want to have that watch. I have, and I wear it once every two months, perhaps.
Andrew I have a two tiered watch storage system. and I'm looking at getting a bigger footprint. Well, I'm going to build a bigger footprint, but I'm looking at buying a bigger footprint in the interim because I feel bad having watches on the second layer that I can't see every time I go to my watch box. I want to see them like there. I have them for a reason and I love them and it doesn't reduce the amount of wear they get. And even the watches that I don't wear you know I have a handful of watches that I haven't worn in months and I'm sure shit never getting rid of them because I love them and If you were to say you either wear that watch for the next month uninterrupted or sell it I'm gonna wear that watch for the next month uninterrupted Right Can we talk about a watch that I'm gonna have to save for because I think I'm gonna buy mm-hmm
Everett So Hamilton, Hamilton's been on a tear the last couple of years. They have been lighting it up. So this is actually, you know, we're not just copying Grenado here, although we might.
Andrew We're getting pretty close here.
Everett Yeah. Hamilton released a watch here. This has been a month or so ago. It's a RAF Chrono is what it is. It's a Royal Air Force chronograph, 40 millimeter automatic chrono. that's sort of an homage to the 1970s RAF Kronos. And I fucking love it. I hate one thing. Everybody will know what it is. I borderline don't even need to say what I hate about it.
Andrew Oh, is it the vintage loom that you don't like?
Everett But short of that, I love this thing. I mean, it's a silicone balance spring. Super cool. H51 movement, which is a great movement. 60 hours.
Andrew I thought it was 70 hours. I think it's a 60. Oh, I read I read in another location, 70 hours.
Everett You know, I don't know. Could be.
Andrew It don't matter, none. That's a bucket load of hours. 60 or 70 is sort of a negligible difference.
Everett This is that military chronograph with the really clean lines that I just love it. I love it. I love this watch. and I think I'm gonna need to get it. Someone said to me the other day, I've decided automatic chronographs are not my thing.
Andrew How do you decide that? That's a wholesale, that's a big statement. It's like I've decided big boobs aren't my thing.
Everett I was like, how did you decide that the thing that's the coolest thing in all the watches is not your thing?
Andrew Yeah.
Everett And then I slapped him really hard.
Everett He was on the computer.
Andrew I have a handprint on my face. Unrelated. Um, No, I mean, it's, it's, I see, I don't know. I mean, I, I a little bit see the position right in, in, in so much as power reserve is not my thing. I don't give a shit about power reserve, but I also recognize it as super fucking cool. It's not ever going to be a friction point for me. If you tell me my watch is a 12 hour power reserve. I'm going to have some wonders, right? Some curiosities as to why, whatever, but also like, okay, cool. Yeah. I wear a watch for 12 hours, so I'm going to put it on, wind it up and wear it. And then I won't wear it the next day. Or if I do, I'll just wind it again and set the time. Cause that's what you do when you put on a watch is you always have to wind it and set the time.
Everett You know, I really want one of those Panerai eight days, even though I will never, never realize the value of that watch. I just want one because I think it's cool. So I hear what you're saying.
Andrew But it's not for me. I could not care less about the amount of power reserve. Like a power reserve indicator, I don't like because there's no value to me in a power reserve indicator. And I think it takes away from the aesthetics of the watch because of my desire for it. I don't care You don't need to tell me I need to wind my watch. I know when I put it on I need to wind the fucking thing.
Everett Can we talk about Timex?
Andrew Oh, we have to because I'm jacked about this. And their Q line is getting cooler and cooler by way of a quartz GMT. And you can say what you want about a quartz GMT. You can say what you want about quartz, but you're just wrong. And fuck yeah, it is the Q Timex. that we all know and love by way of the many iterations that have now been released.
Everett Starting in 2019.
Andrew And that were like impossible to get. And then I got one cause I just like happened to check the Timex website on a day that they had new inventory and people are paying 600 bucks for these things. And I got it for retail, right? I got it for straight retail, which is too much. Like it's just too much for what it is. but I'm not displeased with it, besides how loud that movement is. When I've been wearing it at the turn of midnight, and I swear to God that date wheel sounds like a movie scene clacker. There's gotta be a name for those things, but I don't know what it is. I just call them a clacker.
Everett So Timex released a handful of Q Timex GMT watches. And this watch is actually custom tailored for a GMT. It actually surprises me a little bit that it took them this long to do it.
Andrew It sort of tracks with how long Timex takes to seize opportunities.
Everett These things are sold out everywhere. All of the versions. I'm on a waiting list. I'm on two waiting lists, actually, to get these. And so you can't buy them today. You know, if you really need to have one, they're available. You're going to pay way over retail. No judgment if that's what you want. I assume much like the Q Timex, once the initial excitement dies down, these will be available.
Andrew You will wait three months and you're going to get them for $219 on a bracelet. Get them on a bracelet because they're integrated in the straps. Options suck.
Everett So these are $199 on a strap, $200 and change on a bracelet. It's like $30.
Andrew They're not integrated, they're hooded. The size transition is significant. It's like $18 to $22. Right, right.
Everett Um, I want one. I don't know if I want the black on gray or if I want the Batman. I know I don't want the Pepsi, uh, but I want one of these.
Andrew He's a little boring, but that's like right up my alley. I'm realizing that the more boring a watch, the more attracted I am to it.
Everett Long-term for me too, for sure.
Andrew Yeah.
Everett Um, but these are, I mean, none of these are wild. They're all boring. Yeah. And boring in a good way. You know, that sounds like a pejorative and I certainly don't mean it that way. These are all the right kind of boring. Yeah.
Andrew I mean, I think I think the most iconic watches in horology are the most boring. Sure. The digest or the sub are super fucking boring and they've been. You know, recreated a million times. Now, 5711 is not particularly boring, but has become so.
Everett And this watch is, I mean, the Q Timex is not boring in and of itself. This is an interesting case, right? Uh, much like the gentle watches that inspired this, this whole sort of thing, or at least that era of watchmaking, it's not boring. Uh, but as far as watches go, these are not the most interesting, uh, or the most dynamic cases, but they're, they're just attractive. They're simple.
Andrew They're really classic.
Everett Easy to wear.
Andrew They wear really nice. And super affordable, 220 bucks on a bracelet. And it looks like they have improved on their bracelet from the original Q line.
Everett It is a better bracelet.
Andrew Perhaps not much, but certainly incrementally better.
Everett I mean, I like it just aesthetically. I think it's a better looking bracelet, but it's still going to be a $200 Timex bracelet.
Andrew I'm probably going to get one. just so I can swap out that bracelet between the GMT and the three-hand. I might just get it and then sell the three-hand. I would be much more happy, I think, with the GMT Pepsi and the three-hand Pepsi on the bracelet.
Everett So maybe I sell the... Maybe I sell the Q. I do like the dial markings on this. It's not anything crazy. It's just a normal Q Timex logo. but at six o'clock it says GMT Quartz. These have a quote-unquote applied, I think it's probably stamped and polished, but they've got an applied marker. It's a neat watch. I'm into this. I mean, the whole Q line's cool. Yeah.
Andrew The whole Q line's cool. It's got cool heritage, like that throwback heritage with updated technology without really a big revamping. These are cool. I very much like.
Everett What else do we got, man?
Andrew Oh, what else do we have? Uh, can we do some watch spotting?
Everett Yeah, let's do it. Let's do it.
Andrew Oh, no, first, since we're talking about individuals. Oh, uh-oh. Uh, this fella named Will did a review of a Vero watch. I was like, who are you talking about? Uh, and you can find the review, we'll link to it. It's on this website called Watch Clicker. And it's about a week old, but he did a review of a new release from a brand that we very much like called Vero. And Will held out on us. He apparently had two workhorses, two Vero workhorse watches. at his home that he photographed over a period of several days, published the article, and that's how we found out that he had them at his house. He's like, Oh, did I not send those to you? Like, no, you didn't because this would have been a topic of conversation. Yeah, that's right. This is cool. So Vero in a Vero's kind of a hard brand to describe because they started as like a totally in-house manufacturing, totally in-house production, and then pivoted to a much more traditional manufacturing model for small brands and for most brands, even big brands for that matter. Um, they went from like kind of small run limited edition is I think what I'm comfortable calling them. to a lot like more production brand and they went from like kind of novelty is not the right word but I think small runs to more typical commercial runs and in that transition they went to this really cool tool watch And I don't mean to a watch in the way of tons of gadgets. I mean to a watch in the way of super functional, super rugged, almost pro Trekkie, almost like you, you're never going to do anything that this watch won't do better than you feel for their watches. You know, we, we got the open water line, which is this no bullshit baller diver. That's got a bunch of color ways. to now the workhorse, which is this fucking super, super cool, refined, but really rugged. Yeah. I wouldn't call this watch refined at all. It is though. It's clean. It's cool.
Everett It's not classic, but it's just like, it's, this reminds me of a 1989 Isuzu trooper.
Andrew That's exactly what the fuck it is. And it's refined in it. Like this is crocodile Dundee refined. Right? That guy is, there's nothing actually refined about him, but that is a, that, that man is dressed for any occasion. Crocodile Dundee can show up in a, to a black tie event, dressed exactly the way he, you're imagining him and he doesn't look out of place. Smooth like sandpaper.
Everett Yeah. Uh, I'll tell you, I think this watch is really cool. I love the way it looks. I love that they're doing something that really, I mean, nobody else is doing anything like this. No. This, you know, besides like, I don't This is a really interesting watch. That's one of the things we talk about on the show is we're talking about this thing because it's interesting. And this thing has interesting going for it. With that said, you know, you said you're not sure who that new, you know, 44 Fugu is for. I'm not sure who this is for. And that's not to say it's not appropriate for someone. I'm not sure. though. I know these are selling it. I know people are buying them. I have personally talked to a couple of people who've gotten it and we're not super happy with the build quality. I'm not sure if that's a one off thing. We don't have enough consensus on that to say that's a thing. But I think that this is not going. I think some people are going to get this and realize that they didn't actually want it. So it's maybe one of those things. What you see is what you get. This is going to be a largely plastic outside, you know, fun, funky watch. It's 450 bucks for a quartz chrono. So it's not a flyer type of watch and maybe just above the north edge of flyer. Yeah, it's on the north edge of flyer. So, uh, I mean, I think you got to, I think you got to look at this thing and be like, that's cool. I want it. And of course no judgment, but I think this is a little bit of a tough sell in this market.
Andrew You're looking at like a no most dire or a no most dial right with their fonts and like just that kind of Bauhaus. Hold on.
Everett Let me pull this up. Yeah. Okay. I guess I can see what you're talking about.
Andrew I'm thinking like it has a very no most dial feel with a protrek case and this kind of like weird integration of a left crown chronograph with an internal rotating bezel like this is it's pure tool watch in a protrek case with a luxury-ish design very minimalist dial right and that's a kind of that luxury is maybe not the right terminology for the dial nor is nor is minimalist But it's, but it, no, it absolutely is. It's, it's.
Everett I'm showing Andrew a picture right now of a 1989 Isuzu trooper. I, I, I drove one of those cars for years. Two-tone.
Andrew It's two-tone off-white on taupe. I had a, I had a bronze Hodeo for several years. Uh. Yeah. Which isn't a Isuzu Rodeo. We just called it the Hodeo because of the things that happened in it.
Everett Um. Both night. Yeah.
Andrew No, it's a cool watch. I love this thing. They did a great job designing it. It's this weird collision of worlds that's super fucking cool.
Everett It's weird in the way I like weird. It's weird in the way I won't.
Andrew It's weird without being offensive, right? It's not a boombox shaped watch. It's a strange collision of things that I think works really well.
Everett It's been a while, Andrew, since we've talked about the show hot ones.
Andrew It has been. And it's it's been a long while since we've talked about chicken wings just in general.
Everett I don't know. You know, I think we talked about toxic last week, but this is like borderline a theme of the show in the early days. And then we just kind of moved past it. I think our guts needed a break.
Andrew I mean, we've still been doing things to our guts in the way of wings, but, you know, you guys were done hearing about it.
Everett So time and time, one of my favorite one of my favorite watch blogs. out there because of just its overall feel. Time and Tide, specifically Zach Blass at Time and Tide, published an article called Fired Up The Best Watches Spotted on Hot Ones.
Andrew I've been told on multiple occasions by people wholly independent of one another that I look like Sean Evans.
Everett No, you very much do look like Sean Evans.
Andrew And I think it's just that we're bald white guys.
Everett No, no, no, no. It's more than that. Anybody who's ever seen Andrew will attest you do look like Sean Evans.
Andrew I think I'm flattered, because I think he's a handsome man.
Everett He's a good looking guy.
Andrew I wish my tonal quality was as good as his.
Everett He does have a magical voice. So this article is specifically about, you know, Hot Ones is one of those shows, right? Where these people show up, they know they're going to be featured sort of up close and personal. It's like Fear Factor. And more so, right? So everybody comes like, looking good. You got your Sunday best on. But also want to look casual. That's right. And the wing eater, left wrist close to the camera. So there's like this stage, the left wrist is featured prominently on Hot Ones for any number of reasons. And they go through like, look at these rich people and the watches they've decided to wear. That's some like really typical choices.
Andrew Yeah, I mean, you've got a with Kumail Nanjiani. I'm never really confident with how to say his first name. I think I think you got there eventually. I think everyone says it a little bit differently. I'm going to say Nanjiani, you know, from from Marvel stardom previously of Silicon Valley. So we're in an aquanaut, the 5167.
Everett Not the same guy, by the way. That's absolutely the same guy. There's no way it could be the same guy. The guy in Silicon Valley was a little bit heavy in the middle, a little bit doughy, kind of nerdy. And then the guy who's just become ripped and is like showing massive pectoralis muscles in movies. There's no way that's the same guy. You know, you'd think that. Like their cheekbones look different. I mean, it must be like, it must be like a steroid regimen or something, right? Yeah.
Andrew But then you think of like Chris Pratt, you know,
Everett early days of Parks and Rec. Yeah, but Chris Pratt looks like the same guy, just buff.
Andrew Not early days of Parks and Rec. Early days of Parks and Rec, he's fucking fat. This is like a typical... He looks like a fellow who smokes weed and lives in his van, and then he becomes an Avenger.
Everett Yeah, but Kumail Nanjian, his face structure changed.
Andrew There's a whole episode with him on Armchair Expert, where him and Dax Shepard talk about their physique journeys and
Everett I think I liked the fat one better.
Andrew I liked the fat guy better. He was more entertaining because he's fat and I felt better about myself. And then I'm like, wow, I'm still just fat and he's now an Avenger.
Everett You know, the only thing I'm disappointed about this article is besides Migos sort of Royal Oak fully blinged baguette diamond Royal Oak Most of these watches are pretty boring.
Andrew I was actually kind of taken aback by Megan Thee Stallion wearing a Sky-Dweller. That's not what I expected. I like for her bling level, I was very much expecting like a blinged out Cartier. Yeah. Right. Like a Sky-Dweller almost seems pedestrian. A little bit for her. And she's straight like baller, right? I mean, she's been, she got shot in the foots and missed an award show because of it. Um, but a sky, a sky dweller almost seems pedestrian.
Everett Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it's, it's, it's not a really interesting, I don't think it's an interesting watch. I do like Gordon Ramsey has been on top once, twice, first time black sub, which is like, yeah, fuck it. Fuck off.
Andrew But you had it before it was cool. So it was like a $2,000 purchase.
Everett The second one is a vintage IWC Mark 11, which if you're a guy like me, I appreciate the IWC so much more. You know, it's like a 34 millimeter. Anyway. Yeah. So so whatever. Check it out. Time and tide. We'll have a link in the show notes.
Andrew I did. Courtney Cox wearing an LP, too.
Everett Yeah. And it's an old it's an old OP.
Andrew Yeah, because it's also kind of like like baller status. So like this is just this is what I wear. Yeah. Fuck you want.
Everett Yeah, it's a slender lug, slender lug old OP.
Andrew I found, um, that's always something I really look for when I'm watching hot ones is, is what people are wearing.
Everett Yeah. Yeah. Andrew, my friend, other things.
Andrew Oh yeah. What do you got? Okay. So I, I recently watched, uh, Netflix documentary, documentary, a documentary, I wish it's a documentary, called The Perfect Bid, The Contestant Who Knew Too Much. And this isn't a new documentary, it came out in 2017. But for some reason, it hit the Netflix recommends lineup about a week ago, when I watched it. And I was like, I mean, I like the prices, right? And I like a good scandal. I'll watch it. And it starts with this guy who you think is going to be the hero. Have you watched it? No, it opens with this guy who you're like, just the time they're spending with him. I'm like, Oh, this is going to be the hero of the show. And he, he outlines over the course of this. 72-minute documentary for probably the first 40 minutes. He's covering his Price is Right journey, and he's talking about the things that he wore, how many tapings he's been to, and he's traveling from, you know, not an insignificant distance, but also, you know, we're not talking about like an eight-hour road trip. He's going to these Price is Right filmings, and he's going. going and he realizes really early on like before he goes to a Price is Right filming that they're using the same things over and over again. So he's memorizing prices and then kind of the age of computers arrives and he's creating spreadsheets to like as flashcards to better memorize pricing and he's going to these shows he's getting into the audience but he's not getting selected by producers to be a contestant and he's yelling out prizes to people and some people are listening and they're winning and then they stop listening and they stop winning and he's like kind of starting to garner attention from the host right he's like becoming a uh a fixture a fixture yeah And it keeps following him, and he's talking about all this effort he's putting into it, and he gets on. A shocker, there's a new item. He doesn't know, so he doesn't win. And then he doesn't win his spinoff. I'm not real familiar with The Price is Right beyond like some like, like I've watched it like daytime television when I was home sick in school.
Everett I've seen it on.
Andrew Yeah, and I'm entertained by it. There's a whole cult following. When you get on the show, you have a 10 year suspension. No, a lifetime suspension.
Everett You can't be on twice.
Andrew Can't be on twice. They, they have this kind of sub story about this really long time producer who basically entered television onto the prices, right? As a producer stuck with it and then was ultimately replaced He was on it for like 20 some years. Then was replaced. New producers, new rules. Suddenly this guy can get back on. He gets back on. And this is kind of where the story goes from this guy being the hero to him like being kind of like a victim. So the whole, I'm comfortable giving it away because this is an uncommon knowledge. This is not the guy who wins the double showdown. Down show off showroom. I don't remember what it's called. But he's like kind of at this point now has transitioned to telling this like. Ultimate failure story where this other guys in the spotlight who's been doing the same shit shows up once and then like wins everything showroom doesn't matter. It was the simultaneously like really satisfying underdog story that turns into this like kind of heartbreaking documentary and at the end of it you're like you you just kind of feel sad in general because like there's people who dedicate their lives to being on the Price is Right and going all the time to the Price is Right which is just kind of like a sad thing in and of itself. It's worth 72 minutes of your life because it's these really weird like quirky people stories with these super unlikely heroes and like just I didn't look at my watch once.
Everett It was fully golden age documentary that we're in right now. Yes. Yeah.
Andrew Like a documentary for no reason about a topic that you should not care about, about a topic that a documentary should never be made about, but you're fully engrossed in the story.
Everett Yeah. The documentary category right now, I think, is being developed in a really fun way.
Andrew It's super golden age of docs right now. I'm here for it. I'm here for it. And then you also get the docs that are like these dating shows.
Everett So I've got another thing. Do me. I watched a movie tonight.
Andrew Oh, I'm excited about this movie. You just sent me the link. That's why I'm spoiling it.
Everett I watched a movie that I did not want to watch. So this was a movie that my wife said, I'd like to watch this movie. And I said, like that.
Andrew Did you pay for it or is it on Apple TV for free?
Everett I don't remember. Yeah, we didn't pay for it, I don't think. But I did. I made that noise. Like, OK, whatever. So this is a movie called The Lost City. It features Channing Tatum and Sandra Bullock. Fire. Cross the board. Lifelong crushes. I respect these people are great actors. They've both been in great movies. But I'm like this just it's a rom-com. It is explicitly a romance novel themed rom-com featuring Sandra Bullock as a as a sort of washed up romance novel writer. and Channing Tatum as a romance novel cover model, and the movie is about them going on some sort of romance novel-inspired adventure together and falling in love. Okay, spoiler alert.
Andrew Featuring Daniel Radcliffe and Brad Pitt.
Everett Okay, so look, I'm thinking this is going to be terrible because it's all those things I just said, right? I don't think that's an unfair analysis. No, I think that's perfect. It was so good. I mean, look, it is exactly what you think it's going to be. It's exactly what you think it's going to be. It's sort of cheap gags, romance movie tropes, rom-com tropes, I should say. And it's not effectively anything more than the sum of its parts. However, it was completely, entirely satisfying and entertaining and good. the entire time.
Andrew Did you check your watch? That's my litmus test for a good movie.
Everett And it's not a short movie either. I think it was almost two hours. And I just loved it. I just had a blast. Brad Pitt's character is fantastic. He's only in the movie for a little bit. One hour and 52 minutes. And he's great. Daniel Radcliffe is whatever. He's Daniel Radcliffe. I mean, the movie is great. It's really good. In terms of if you want a date night movie, Just just watch it. You will not be upset that you did. You're also it's not going to this is not an Oscar nominee, right?
Andrew I have to say, I don't like most Oscar nominated movies.
Everett It is not anything that's going to you're not going to remember it next year, but you're going to completely enjoy the time you spend.
Andrew It's like watching the new Jumanji. I enjoyed that and I will probably never watch it again.
Everett Andrew, you got anything you want to add?
Andrew I'm all out of things, man.
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