Episode 179 - All The Pretty Colors

Published on Wed, 30 Mar 2022 22:30:15 -0700

Synopsis

The episode begins with casual conversation and banter between the hosts Andrew and Everett. They then discuss new watch releases and developments in the watch industry, including new mechanical dive watches from Citizen, colorful limited edition Navitimer models from Breitling, and vibrant new dial colors for the Zeno 556 series. They also speculate about which watch brand might become the official "Mars watch" for future space exploration. The latter part of the episode covers the recently announced Swatch x Omega MoonSwatch collaboration, where Everett and Andrew express their positive sentiments about this fun and affordable take on the iconic Speedmaster design. The show concludes with discussions about other products the hosts appreciate, such as the Contigo travel mug, Silky pruning saws, and a call for listeners to contribute articles sharing their own areas of expertise.

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Andrew	Hello fellow watch lovers, nerds, enthusiasts, or however you identify. You're listening to 40 in 20, the Watch Clicker podcast with your hosts, Andrew and my good friend Everett. Here, we talk about watches, food, drinks, life, and other things we like.
Everett	Everett, how are you? I'm great. I had like a vacation this week, which was nice. Uh, basically I didn't have to see you for like eight days. And so I'm feeling
Andrew	pretty refreshed entire eight days you were using my hot tub i was watching you on the blinks cruising in and out pooping in my yard touching all my private business and peeing on the floor my man i'm going through your private things yeah you better come and smash me pound me pound better come up and pound me
Everett	uh yeah that did happen yeah uh you didn't make the hot tub hot enough for me though so i do have that's my one i forgot to turn it up logic complaint with the management i forgot to turn it up god damn i'm just looking at that that traska looks oh my gosh man so i brought three i i was on i was at disneyland for a whole week i brought three watches i brought the emg nemo nemo on a manky i brought the
Andrew	C63 Sport on a Barton. And I brought, no, I brought it on a bracelet. And I brought the Traska commuter on a Barton. I never took the Barton off. Not took the commuter off.
Everett	Are we going to make it tonight? Do we need to reschedule?
Andrew	Maybe I'm hammered. I don't know. I don't think so. I just took a good little sip. But I didn't change out of the Traska once. I Love this thing. The size is perfect. Uh, I didn't wear it on a bracelet because I knew I was going to be in Southern California and I went from living like a vampire between the hours of about 8 p.m. and 7 a.m. when it's like 40, like 32 to 40 degrees to sunny Southern California during daylight hours. So number one, I'm pleased to announce I only got mildly sunburned on one side of my neck. And then a little speckling of sunburn on my scalp from wearing a trucker style hat. Like just the mesh hat. Yeah, no sunburn, really hot. I had a blast at Disneyland with the kids. And yeah, it was a good vacation. It was obviously exhausting. And Disneyland is not a vacation I would ever plan on my own or even pitch as a vacation idea because that's not my thing. But my mentality going into it was have exactly zero expectations, have exactly zero schedule, and just roll with it. And I'll say that Disneyland was okay. California Adventure was better because it was also food and wine festival. which means at 10 a.m. all of the food and wine carts were open and they all had cocktails and food. And there were no rules about carrying your beer around. So I had a lot more fun at California Adventure. Fun at Disneyland, California Adventure was the shit. Yeah. Because of the beer situation.
Everett	Yeah. Last time we were at Disneyland, they had a wine festival while we were there.
Andrew	Because of America. America. Yeah, it was a good vacation. Uh, I I do recommend uh, if you haven't been in a while to go On the spider-man web slinger ride Noted I had We rode all the big I don't I don't like roller coasters and that kind of thing because they're just not my jam I did go on web slingers and it was dope It's like got this little body scan when you sit in your stall and your little booth and your bench and your arm motions capture when you're slinging webs at these little spider robots and you blow them up and throw shit across the room at them. It was fun. It was the only ride that I like after I was done, I was like, I'm going to do that again. Come with me or don't boy, but I'm going again. Yeah, that was fun. It was a good, well spent week. Mild sunburn, very hot. Uh, yeah.
Everett	Got some watch, a little bit of watch spotting. Yeah, a little bit of watch spotting. Low-key chump spotting.
Andrew	Yeah, a lot of chump spotting. I did see like this very old man wearing a two-tone 36OP. Like you could tell that he was the original owner of it. Yeah. With that gold fluted bezel and I was like, I wonder how much cash. A Datejust maybe. No, it wasn't a Datejust.
Everett	A President?
Andrew	Maybe. I couldn't get close enough to fully see the dial, but I recognized that two-tone and that fluted bezel in that sizing. And just given his age and the fact that he clearly paid for his entire family to go to Disneyland, I was like, I know generally what I'm looking at.
Everett	One of my construction mediators wears a blue face, two-tone Datejust.
Andrew	It was that cream, like, pearly color. It was beautiful. I was like, I wonder how much cash I'd get at an ATM right now and what it would take to get that off his wrist.
Everett	Here is $3,500. Yeah.
Andrew	Never going to get this deal again. Yeah, exactly. I'll give you $4,000 cash right here and now. I don't even need the box or papers. Yeah, you could probably just get one of those. Yeah. You know, I saw a lot of fake watches and a lot of bullshit. Saw a couple of SKXs. You know some cool g-shocks kind of the normal I don't know I was expecting to see some more cool shit I just I saw a lot of lame shit.
Everett	It's Disneyland.
Andrew	Yeah, but there's the the wealth the wealth concentration there is unique Right, it's not a cheap adventure Unless you're Californian and then it's cheap to go to Disneyland Yeah, you know some low-key watch spotting and
Everett	Well in any event good to have you back good to have you back happy to be back and sleeping in my own bed Yeah, isn't that nice?
Andrew	Mm-hmm after a bit of a More than my own bed is that my kids are in their own rooms. Mm-hmm because we stayed at the Disneyland Resort like they're on the Disneyland Hotel and we just had a room with two queen beds yeah, so like My kids were in my room with me, which was obnoxious, because every time the little one rolls over, he gets mad. He's angry that he's having to move to get comfortable, so he like squawks. And the big one snores like a 65-year-old man with sleep apnea. I'm happy to be sleeping in my own bed.
Everett	Well, we are talking about watches today. And we got a big list, so we should move on. Yeah, we're going to do a bit of a watch, one of our watch roundups, where we talk about things that have happened in the watch world, releases, articles, other things people are generally talking about.
Andrew	And a lot's happened in the last week.
Everett	Yeah, well it's been two weeks. We really have two weeks of material here.
Andrew	I think all of them are two. Materials pulled from like the last five days though.
Everett	Right, the last 72 hours. Yeah, it's been a big two weeks. Yeah, man, it's been a big two weeks. So lots of stuff to talk about. I think the first thing, Andrew, is it okay If I tell a little story to get us started, it's always okay. So one of the very first times we got yelled at on this show, there's been a handful, but one of the very first times that someone was like angry with me, like as a fan boy, uh, you know, we got yelled at a lot, right? Like it's pronounced Vostok, not Vostok. It's Boktok. Everyone knows that. You know, there's these, there's these little things, but one of the first like really angry messages we got was with regards to Citizen. And at the time I said something like, it's kind of ironic for Citizen, a company who's making really, really excellent entry-level mechanical movements. Like, you know, I believed then and I believe now that the Mioda 9 series is, gosh, it's just a great entry-level movement, right? Nothing's changed. But I said it's kind of, I said on the show, it's kind of ironic that Citizen this company with this great movement manufacturer aspect to it has kind of eschewed the mechanical watch. And the point I think was a fair one.
Andrew	Um, no, they're putting their eggs in their eco drive basket.
Everett	Yeah. You know, citizens got high precision courts, they've got eco drive, they've got eco drive, high precision courts, you know, citizen, especially United States citizen is very focused on quartz watches. And it's really, pretty hard to find a mechanical citizen. And so I kind of lamented that. And then someone said, well, you don't know what you're talking about. And we don't, they're accurate. You know, it's like, okay, well that's fair. Um, but they were kind of mad and they brought up some, some examples of citizen mechanical watches, but yeah, you know, really some really novel, right. Right.
Andrew	You know, I think at the time mainstream,
Everett	Citizen watches, you know, I think at the time you could buy an ny-0040 or whatever the Fugu or the Fugu predecessor I'm not sure when that Fugu name Became a thing because I didn't learn about it till later, but in recent years in recent years Really in the last couple of years citizens kind of like refocused a little bit just a little bit on their mechanical offerings and maybe not refocus, but they've sort of
Andrew	teased them. I think they've pulled them into the American fold.
Everett	Maybe that's what it is. And so the first watch we're going to talk about, I think is pretty dang cool. And it, and it is, it's what we're talking about. It is a Citizen mechanical dive watch. We're not going to make it tonight. Citizens reintroduced a mechanical dive watch and not the Fugu. And obviously the Fugu has always been available. But this is a mainline ProMaster 200 meter ISO certified mechanical dive watch in a killer case 41 by 41 millimeters by 12 thick. And it's made out of their proprietary whatever it is, super titanium.
Unknown	Yeah.
Andrew	Which is super. Which I'm not 100% sure what super titanium is. Is that going to be like T5?
Everett	You know, I don't know on the T scale. I think that it is a good a blend of titanium, but it's got a, it comes with a proprietary coating, a hardness coating. So as if you need that on titanium, well, you do, I mean, titanium can scuff. So I think what you get is a very, very hard, very ding resistant, uh, titanium, you know, uh, a good high quality, maybe not like a superior quality, um, like surgical instrument quality. titanium, but a very good titanium with great durability.
Andrew	Which is going to be super light. I mean, Jason Heaton is all about this watch. Is he? Jason Heaton's about this watch. He says, he places it in, he says the original Citizen Aqualand in the pantheon of great dive watches along the First 50 Fathoms, the Rolex Sub, and the Doxa Sub 300.
Everett	Well, but this isn't an Aqualand.
Andrew	if this is... No, but he's saying that Citizen has these chops. Yeah, they do. So this re-release, re-issue, maybe, is a better way to put it, because that's not exactly a re-issue.
Everett	It's kind of a... Yeah, I think this is basically a re-imagining of a 1970s Citizen.
Andrew	A re-imagining is the word I was looking for. Yeah. And they're dope. They've kind of corrected, at least for me, one of the issues I've had with Citizen Divers is they've turned it really classic. There's nothing big or crazy about this watch. They let the watch speak for itself rather than making a statement. And in the Super Titanium, in the really classic 70s design, really clean lines, they landed it. There's nothing Citizen
Everett	about this watch which is wow you've got these big markers and you've got the really angular so i i think i hear what you're saying uh i think it's both citizen and really unobjectionable if you're if you're going to complain about something it's probably going to be the uh mercedes hour hand which feels i know it's a little bit it's also kind of citizen yeah but it's but nothing about it's screaming at me yeah So I think it's cool more for what it is than the watch, but at under a thousand bucks is what these are estimated to be. Um, maybe 800 ish. It's a pretty dope, it's a pretty dope watch. Obviously it's going to have a Miyota 90 51 or a, you know, the citizen caliber 90 51. Um, yes. Sick dude. I dig it.
Unknown	Yeah.
Andrew	ISO certified. urethane bracelet or urethane straps with a titanium bracelet option.
Everett	Yeah, I think it's one or the other. I think the black comes with the urethane and the blue comes with the titanium.
Andrew	Yeah, at least at least for now. Yeah, 90 51. I don't think these are for sale yet. They're coming, but they're coming. Yeah, projected at 995 and off a bracelet at 795. I like it with that citizen did another cool thing in their titanium lineup. They dropped it. They dropped, I think, a true dress watch and a dress sport. Yeah. In the same super titanium. The AQ4091-56M. In true citizen fashion. These need nicknames. The dress watch has a very cocktail time, psycho presage feel to it. It's just super clean lines. But these dials are really, I think, the home run. They're not quite snowflake, but they're just a gently textured kind of fresh blanket of snow with just a little bit of rain afterward.
Everett	Yeah, I think they're supposedly washi paper, like Japanese washi paper. I don't know if they actually are, if it's like hardened washi paper, I'm not sure. But, um, you know, I assume there's some sort of epoxy, but yeah, you, it definitely, as you get closer, you can see the fibers pretty, pretty attractive and definitely sort of invokes, at least for me, uh, Grand Seiko styling, both in the way the cases are shaped. and that dial. This is gorgeous. So this, the dress watch that you're talking about, I think is pretty dang stunning. EcoDrive movement. I think it's like plus or minus two seconds a year or something like that.
Andrew	Which is EcoDrive kind of standard. Yeah. 37 and a half case, super titanium, nine millimeters thick. To be able to pack one of their eco drives into a nine millimeter case thickness is awesome.
Unknown	Hmm.
Andrew	I'm I, I might've just added a thing to my list.
Everett	So these will be linked in the show notes. You guys, you can go, you know, maybe not the watches, but at least, uh, I don't know, something from Fratello or one on or something, but, um, you can go check these out. I don't know that we've seen prices on these yet. I would say... I didn't dig enough to look for prices. This looks like a thousand dollar watch to me if I had to guess.
Andrew	On the low end would be my guess, yeah. They're doing a run of 90 that has a plus or minus one second per year eco-drive movement.
Everett	Well that's their 100 or whatever.
Andrew	200 or yeah the 100 movement. Is there value in that to you? The difference between plus or minus two to plus or minus one? My guess is that's gonna nigh on double the price of the movement. Is that enough to get you to bite on that big of a price tag?
Everett	Yeah I mean I don't know it's all so stupid anyway so it's like you know i never judge people's decisions in this stuff it's like yeah this this watch is plus or minus you know whatever yeah the more more is more maybe and and less is less and in this instance less is more you know you tune in for these insights you guys and don't try to pretend you don't these dials more is more and less is less beautiful yes this is these are the
Andrew	the most stunning watches Citizen has produced.
Everett	You know, we didn't really talk about it, but the sport watch version of these, the bracelet version of these, a little bit sturdier case, more of like, uh, more, uh, not a tonneau case, but a little bit less sort of angular, um, uh, wrap around that dial, just, just more beefy case, but the bracelet.
Andrew	It's almost Victorinox-y.
Everett	Yeah, that's it. That's actually a really, uh, that's actually a really poignant observation, Andrew. I think I see that a hundred percent.
Unknown	Yeah.
Everett	Yeah. The bracelet looks good. You know, it's hard to say, you know, these product photography, uh, these product photos, sometimes you see, Oh, that bracelet looks great. And then you see in person and it's a turd. I think citizen.
Andrew	Why'd you shit my hand?
Everett	Citizen is particularly bad about that. They've got one other in this line, um, that they're releasing, but there's only a couple of them being released. 90. This is, it's got like a black, electro-formed, I don't know, whatever. This one's looks pretty cool too, but these are all really conservatively sized. Um, yeah, that's a mechanical movement. So let's see what it says here. Uh, inspiration here comes from the creation of Japanese armor. So, okay. Seiko citizen, I mean, um, yeah. Pricing on all of these is not announced, but we'll have links so you can read about them and, um, and maybe keep an eye on these for when they come out.
Andrew	Yeah, because these are, I'll say it again, these are the most stunning watches Citizens released. These are grand Seiko-y.
Everett	So while we're at it, while we're at it, Andrew, is it okay if we talk about another watch that we don't talk about on the show very often, but something that caught my eye in the last couple of weeks? Oh, yeah. Longines is a company, I don't know that we've ever I don't know that I've ever said that word on, I've ever uttered that.
Andrew	I think we've talked about a couple Longines watches before. All right, whatever, probably. But just like it passing. We've never, we've never highlighted one.
Everett	So about a week ago, I want to say, um, I saw a couple of teasers on Instagram, Longines teasers for what looked to me like a very sort of modern, shiny, glitzy, ceramic, you know, all the like shiny bits that do really well in macros. Launching watch and I thought, oh, that looks like it could be interesting. And one of the teasers had clearly a 24 hour bezel in it. Oh, you know, Launching's coming out with the GMT watch. And of course, Launching has other GMT watches, but they finally dropped this thing maybe about a week ago. I am really so it's a three. So first, this is a $3,000 watch. I'm not excited. I'm never excited about a $3,000 watch, but launching introduced what they're calling the spirit Zulu time collection. Um, these are cost certified GMTs, yada, yada, yada, who cares? Um, but what I think what I like about this watch is it is a stunning looking. at least in photographs, a stunning looking dive bezel GMT watch. Um, that really doesn't look like what you'd expect it to look like with that description, right? A lot of dive bezel or, you know, bezel X, uh, rotating bezel that bezel is not the right term. Um, lots of rotating bezel GMT watches on the market. And this kind of, without being weird or ostentatious. It doesn't really look like any of them. This is kind of doing its own thing in a subtle way that I appreciate. Um, I really like this watch. Uh, this is a black dial with a bit of a blue pop of color, a gorgeous green bezel with a black dial gilt thing. And then this... And Fotina. Yeah, a little bit of Fotina. Not too bad though, honestly. And then a really, really nice blue on blue.
Andrew	The issue I take with the gilted dial and the black dial is the black GMT hand halfway up the hand. It might, as you're wearing it, make it look like the GMT hand is floating, but I don't particularly like it in photos. Everything else about it, though, I it's just beautiful.
Everett	It's a beautiful watch. I love the font on the bezel. It is everything about this watch. Well, not everything. The markers is big.
Andrew	Oh, I love those font markers.
Everett	Chunky Arabic. Oh, yeah. Raised markers like a like steel applied Arabic, which are beautiful. um but that's not i wouldn't call those subtle but everything else besides those is just very very subtle it's a dive watch with a subtle gmt complication refined uh i mean i i want to see one of these in person because i think this is yeah i think this is a really beautiful watch and nobody will talk about it because it's kind of boring um what's the size on these 42 i think so they're not it's a gmt right it's a traveler's watch so it's gonna be a little bit bigger um But yeah, I'm kind of into this, man.
Andrew	Yeah, they're they're gorgeous.
Everett	Not a small watch, not going to be subtle.
Andrew	No, I mean, it's going to be a big old chunk, but it's also long gene. So, you know, it's not like you're going to be disappointed by that.
Everett	So, Andrew. Everything about Mars, like Mars bars, Mars bars.
Andrew	Yeah, sometimes. Yeah, me too. Makes me hungry. Whenever I think about Mars, I always, uh, and I, one of my bathrooms, I have a Gavox wall clock. Uh, and whenever I go to the bathroom in there, I like sit there and make him a poop drop. And I think about the fact that, um, I just remember our conversation with Michael happy when he talks about wanting to be the first watch on Mars and the way he specs his watches. I don't think he's out of the realm of reasonable. the size of his company, I think he might be out of the realm of reasonable, but that also might be beneficial. Like it would be far cheaper to buy a payload of Gavox watches than it would be to buy, you know, Fortis or Omega. But those are the two brands in the conversation right now, you know, in the, in the kind of like watch nerd kind of space watch nerd conversation for Mars watches. And I think those are the two for me. We're going to exclude Gavox, just not because we don't like Gavox, but because I just don't think it's realistic. I think Omega even might be falling out of the conversation in my head. I think the future is Fortis. Yeah. But that's what we're going to talk about is the Omega Fortis conversation for Mars
Everett	goals. Let's do just a bit of context because this is kind of out of left field, but you sent me an article, a Fratello article written by Thomas Stover from a couple of weeks ago. Um, he's basically talking about exactly this, right? The, this is Mars is happening. We think probably we're trying and to the extent Mars happens and there are people that go to Mars, We, we, and I mean the few of us who care about watches enough to talk about them incessantly and make a podcast.
Andrew	Listen, listen to podcasts. We're not the weird ones.
Everett	Uh, yeah. I mean, that's an interesting question, I guess. Right.
Andrew	I think it's Fortis. I think it's Fortis all the way. Omega has this space heritage, but I think that the, um,
Everett	Well, so Fortis is actually doing things here. So, so Omega, I think Omega is going to go to Mars. If we go to Mars, Omega's going.
Andrew	Yeah. Someone's going to wear their Speedmaster that they've had for, you know, a decade or more.
Everett	Omega's there. Omega's got the green jacket, right? It gets to go to the champion's dinner. It just, it's just there. It's a, it's a previous winner. You get an automatic birth for life.
Andrew	I don't know, and I don't know if I agree with that, because I think that the endeavor of Mars is a whole separate and new event, and I think NASA's gonna want to brand it as such.
Everett	So you think... Well, and so, and Fortis, unlike Omega, Fortis is actually doing things, right? Yeah.
Andrew	So... Omega's not even added more water resistance to their space watch after 60 years.
Everett	Well, and we talked to Nick Mankey about this, and I'm unclear if we talked to him about it while we were recording or before or after, but Fortis is currently working with Russian cosmonauts, maybe not currently, like currently, currently, but that might've stopped working with Russian cosmonauts, but is also the Austrian space forum, um, doing testing and providing them testing watches. So I think right now Fortis is the only company that's really doing anything about space travel. And even the Speedmaster wasn't designed for space travel, right?
Andrew	No, it was put in, their hat was thrown into the proverbial ring and it was selected. And I don't think that against new developments, new R&D, new technology, I don't think the Speedmaster's going to be able to hold up to what Fortis is currently doing and pushing toward doing.
Everett	And notwithstanding what Matt Damon will tell you, I don't think Hamilton's in the game. It's really just Fortis at this point. And Gavox. And Michael Happy. Yeah.
Andrew	Thank God for Michael Happy. Perhaps Invicta, but I think Fortis is where it's at
Everett	It's cool, so we'll link this in the show notes.
Andrew	Who else throws their hat in the ring, you think? Clearly Omega. Clearly Fortis. Do you think Zinn throws something in?
Everett	Do you think... Yeah, I mean, Zinn could be there, Oris could be there. I think Oris is a good pick. I think there's a number of... I think there's a number of smaller companies that would say, we could do this. You know, outside... Tag Heuer. I think is a company that could try to get there. You know, a Mars racer would be a dope, dope watch. The Mars racer. Yeah. The red sand racer. Yeah. I mean, who knows, right?
Andrew	Do you think it's the Speedmaster they put into the, into the hat? I mean, obviously Seiko is going to drop something. Obviously Citizen is going to put something in like Bulova. These big players.
Everett	Well, you know, Omega, so I don't think the official NASA watch right now is like a Speedmaster Pro. It's like the X-33 or whatever, right?
Andrew	Yeah, it's the digital, like, big nasty.
Everett	And frankly, frankly, it doesn't really make sense to have a mechanical watch, I don't think. And maybe there's some sort of, maybe there's some sort of electricity, electromagnetism thing that I'm not considering. You would, you would think that we'd be talking about a shielded digital watch.
Andrew	I would think so.
Everett	Yeah.
Andrew	Maybe with a, maybe a, uh, you know, and a digi, you know, something with dual readouts, but you need, I think you need dual readouts cause you're going to need like triplicates. You're going to need earth time, projected Mars time and perceived time.
Unknown	Yeah.
Everett	Or maybe just an iPhone or.
Andrew	your space shuttle.
Everett	In surprising turn of events, Apple with the Apple Watch Series 3, very affordable, becomes the official watch of NASA.
Andrew	God, that'd be so disappointing.
Everett	I mean, it's too much marketing opportunity for that to be the way it goes.
Andrew	That would bug me.
Everett	We're going to transition to, we're going to talk about a couple of watches. We might not do rapid fire, but we can kind of move through these, but there's a theme. There's a theme to the next handful of watches that we're going to talk about and we'll let you figure it out. We won't tell you what the theme is. Okay. We'll let you figure it out. Andrew, you should know what the theme is. I didn't get it. But the first watch I'm going to talk about, Maurice Lacroix. which I think underrated company, Maurice Lacroix, they, I pronounce this watch is icon, but I guess it could also be like a con.
Andrew	I think it's icon. I think it's like, I think it's icon. Cause it's like daikon.
Everett	Just pull the D you know, my wife, she buys singles on Apple music craft. Oh yeah. And then she's got an ACON single in there. And ever when I go through like my, Apple Music by Artist. It's like one of the very first ones that pops up. Yeah, one Akon song. Akon? Whatever happened to that guy? You'd think you'd forget about him, but I can't because every time I open Apple Music.
Andrew	I feel like it was all featuring Akon. I don't know any of his singles. Hey, listen. That guy. So can we talk about the Akon watches? Yep, just the one. From 2011.
Everett	So Maurice Lacroix released a new line of Akon watches. Uh, which are, you know, they're a little late to the game, but they're ocean tide plastic watches. Um, and that's fine, but I think these are really cool.
Andrew	They're super fun. They're there. I can't think of the name of the brand right off the top of my head, but the kid watches, um, Oh, like Parchee. Yeah. Parchee, um, caravans integrated bracelet, cool colors. These are, and that's bracelet strap.
Everett	These are plastic versions of the iCut, which is really kind of a novel idea to do a plastic version of your flagship watch. I'm into it. I love these. Yeah. 40 millimeters. Sapphire crystal on these.
Andrew	I'm not down with how much it costs to buy Ocean plastic, though. Yeah.
Everett	Listen, they're not cheap. They're not cheap. 750 bucks on these. Yeah.
Andrew	I don't know. I get that the whole thing is to fund the cause of removing Mount Trash from the ocean. You know, like Connecticut floating across the Pacific Ocean is a problem. But I don't know. It's not for me.
Everett	Yeah. You know, I'm a little curious. You know, obviously Tide Plastic has become an industry in and of itself. And I'm always hesitant when something like that becomes an industry.
Andrew	yeah with marketing verbiage and hashtags it's like well is this actually what it looks like it is because we're not yeah we're not talking about the details here how much percentage wise of the plastic did you buy against how much it was actually like reclaimed right and how much of it did you buy that was reclaimed and versus how much did you buy that was just like previously a water bottle that i put in my recycling bin
Everett	You know, I'm not opposed. I like the idea of it, but I am a little leery.
Andrew	We're skeptical of everything.
Everett	I'm not skeptical of too many things, but ocean plastics.
Andrew	You are the most skeptical and pessimistic man I know. That's not true. That's absolutely true. That's what we get along. We're both just pure cynics. Why are you giving me this 20 bucks? No, I don't want it.
Everett	Uh, so another watch. Okay. And I think the theme. Okay. So, so we've got the, the Akon colorful, colorful. We're not going to talk about another company, Brightwing, not a company known for its flashy, bright colored watches.
Andrew	Certainly not. However, flashy watches, but not brightly colored.
Everett	So almost impossible to argue that a Breitling Navitimer is one of the most iconic watches ever made, right? Introduced in the 50, virtually unchanged today. Super breakable. Never gonna live that down.
Andrew	Never. God, this is a fucking gorgeous watch.
Everett	So Breitling introduced a new line of 41 millimeter Navitimers, which is a good size for a Navitimer, I think. Although I think that they can even go a little bigger.
Andrew	They could reasonably get up to, I think, 44.
Everett	They're all dial, right? So these are a new line of 41 millimeter Navitimer B01 watches, and they've gone back and paid homage. Homage. Homage to the Aircraft Owners and Pilots Association, which way back in the day in the 50s, AOPA. AOPA. chose the Navitimer as its very first official watch. This is the official watch of AOPA. And so some of those early 1950s Navitimers had an AOPA wing logo, which if you didn't know what you were looking at, you would be excused for thinking, oh, it's just a weird Breitling logo, because it's got a sort of similar, similar shape to it. So they've released these new colorful, Now the timers with that homage AOPA logo on the dial. We've got a green.
Andrew	A copper.
Unknown	A copper.
Andrew	I was going to call it orange. I think it's copper. Yeah. Maybe brass maybe.
Everett	And sort of like a what? Like a sky blue.
Andrew	Which we're talking Breitling here. These are flamboyant colors for Breitling. That's right. Hey we're not dealing in Tiffany blues here. This is like it's it's neither black nor white and is as such significant for Breitling. But what a cool move. And and with that you know we're seeing this trend this year of rather than new models though there are new models we're seeing this trend of colorways. We saw it with the Aqua Terra. Rolex did a big release. Breitling is dropping new colors. Zen. Can we just talk about our new? Yeah, we're just going to move on to Zen at this during this conversation.
Everett	Zen announced this week for a limited edition four color 556 series. Gosh, this
Andrew	This green makes me reconsider swiping right on the 556. Dude.
Everett	So we've got what? Green, what I'd call a golden rod.
Andrew	That's exactly what I was going to say. Is that appropriate for the radio, for podcasting? A lady's name blue and kind of like a scorched orange.
Everett	Yeah, like maybe a brick red. Yeah. A brick red. These are great. Terracotta.
Andrew	Terracotta. They're perfect. Beautiful colors. And that's the thing this year, is colors.
Everett	Deeply saturated, unlike the, unlike the Breitling. These are really heavily saturated, bold gem tones.
Andrew	Yes, very much unlike the Breitling, who was like, you can have these gentle, but these five five sixes are, gorgeous. They're kind of like no to see kind of no mosey colors, you know, following in suit with everyone who's dropping these very pastel Easter colors just in time for Easter presents.
Everett	You know, these are Zen though. So you can't buy them. You can't buy them in the U S you'll never be able to buy them anywhere. There's only 400 piece. They're 1400 bucks. Like just pretend it didn't happen.
Andrew	Yeah. Which is the other, which is the problem with fucking Zen is you can't ever buy them. It's like, Hey, I have the amount of money that you would like for your watch. I'd like to buy it. Not going to happen. What do you mean pass? I want to buy your watch pass. I've tried to impulse buy the five, five, six, several times and was unsuccessful, which is probably good, right? You know, I'm still married and you know, have all the, the things that go along with that.
Everett	Well, you know, when I started looking at five, five, six, you could pick them up for eight 50. Yeah. 700 bucks, uh, on the, on the secondary market. Um, you can't, I mean, you can't even find them now and exploded new. These are 1400 bucks, which is about the same as any other five, five, six new.
Unknown	So, yeah.
Everett	Well, I mean, so here we are 41 minutes and there's, I don't think there's anything else that's happened in watches. over the last two weeks to even talk about um like this has been really kind of a slow couple of weeks and watches um kind of i'm a little surprised you know i've been looking at the uh getting a boulevard 96a 155 again the space view 2 accutrons you just can't find them all right i guess we do have to talk about do we have to
Andrew	So if you didn't know, something happened this week. Something happened.
Everett	Someone got stabbed. Someone actually got stabbed. Uh, y'all know we don't need to, we don't need to break the news for you here, but guys, no, no, no.
Andrew	Hang on. Do you have an alert? Like an alarm? Uh, I don't.
Everett	This is, this is as close as we get. Nope. I didn't turn the music up.
Unknown	Nope. That's not it. Try a different one.
Andrew	That's the right one. No, I want like an alarm. I want to air raid siren. We don't have that. Guys, Omega and Swatch are owned. Guys, Omega and Swatch are doing a collaboration. They're calling it the Moon Swatch. They're making plastic Speedmasters.
Everett	Yeah. So look, Everybody, everybody, everybody has talked about this. Brodenky and Horro Dictionary have posted about nothing but this watch at this point for a week and a half. Everybody has talked about these watches. Every hot take that could possibly be uttered about these watches has been uttered. We're not going to add.
Andrew	Will wrote an article about it.
Everett	Mike wrote an article about it. We're not going to add to the conversation here. What I can say is. I think these watches are exciting and delightful and fun and appropriately priced and not limited, and they will soon hopefully. Be available to the entire world. For a relatively conservative price, all things considered 250 ish bucks. I just don't have a single bad thing to say about any of it.
Andrew	Except that you shouldn't stab people over this watch. Please don't stab anyone. I'm excited about this. I think this is a super cool idea. A weird collaboration. Yes. But that's kind of the point of umbrellas.
Everett	Yeah. I, we talked about this internally. I don't think collaboration is the right word for this. And I think what we need, Mike said, well, that is the extant term. And I said, okay, you're right. But I think we need a special word for this. I said, inter collab. I don't think anyone went for that, but that's not a good word. I mean, it's notable that this is not really, A collaboration presents a number of difficulties, right? You have licensing difficulties, you have profit sharing difficulties, you have bringing together separate organizations, doing business in different ways. You know, this is not really, this is like when I tell my fucking kids to do the dishes together, right? You know? Yeah. I mean, in some ways. So this is, except that they didn't break anything. Right. That's, that's true. Well, maybe they did. So there are some, ink leaching problems as we understand.
Andrew	But this is the point of umbrellas. This is the point of one big brand owning several. It's technology sharing. It's information sharing. It's supply chain sharing. It's all these things. And why not bring together one of the world's most iconic watches
Everett	Two of the world's most iconic watches. Yeah. Just smush them together.
Andrew	In a really reasonable and well thought out way.
Everett	I think there's like 11 of them. They're all pretty cool.
Andrew	Saturn's weird. Uranus is delightful.
Unknown	Yeah.
Andrew	Always is. They included Pluto, for God's sake. I mean, what a... And in a gray color way. Yes. This... Everyone's, not everyone, there's a lot of poo-pooing going on over this. I think this is exciting.
Everett	I'm not excited necessarily, but it's neat. It's maybe one of the neatest things I can remember happening. It's cool.
Andrew	It's a little weird. It's certainly funky. It's fun. It's, it's fun. It's, um, I'm looking for a word, but I don't know.
Everett	I'm too deep in the beer. Were you looking for the word fun?
Andrew	No, it's whimsical. It is. Look, how cool was it to be able to put a plastic Speedmaster on your kid and not worry? Right? I mean, now it's not Adam's story, right? Where you have an eight year old wearing an actual Speedmaster and that's problematic for a number of reasons. It's like, Oh yeah, no, I'll put my plastic Speedmaster on this eight year old because fuck yeah.
Everett	I gotta tell you right now, I'm not putting a fucking $250 watch anywhere near one of my kids for at least seven or eight more years.
Andrew	Uh, but it's a tolerable loss for me to make for my kid to wear a Speedmaster.
Everett	I just think it's fun. I think these are fun. I think they're cool. I think they're appropriately priced. Some people have complained about the price that this is too much for a cheap plastic at a quartz. Uh, maybe, I don't know. It's, it's 250 bucks. Um, It's got the co-brand. I think it's cool as shit. That's something really cool. So I will definitely get one when, when you can get them. I'm going to be buying one also. I think what's the, I think it's the Jupiter is the one I like. I'm pretty sure. I'm pretty sure it's Jupiter for me, Andrew.
Andrew	The all black. I think was it Mercury was the all black?
Everett	Uh, well, so there's the, there's the moon. Um, which is a little too, I think, a little too on the nose, but you know.
Andrew	That's the dark side of the moon recreation, right?
Everett	Yeah. Yeah. I don't know, man. I think these are just good. I really have nothing but good things to say about them.
Andrew	I'm pleased with them. It's the, yeah, the Mercury is the one that I like. It's like not quite black. It's kind of like slate. with a black dial. Yeah, yeah, the earth is cool. Oh yeah, the moon's the actual rip. But Mars is cool. I think Jupiter is my favorite. Jupiter is cool. I mean, you know, you can't get an F.D.E. Speedmaster. Which would be a dope watch. You can get F.D.E. Marathons, but Saturn's a cool watch.
Everett	Neptune.
Andrew	They're all good. They're all good. That's the point. Uranus.
Everett	They're all good. I don't think we need to say anything more about it.
Andrew	You're going to link an article about... I'm going to link right to the Swatch page so you can look at them. Make up your own fucking mind on these things. If you like them, you do. If you don't, you don't. Don't let the weird kind of branding meshing intracolab thing influence it. Yeah. These are plastic Speedmasters and that's dope. And I would buy plastic sub, I'd buy a plastic Daytona, I'd buy a plastic, almost anything if it was a 10th the price of the real thing. Cause it's just kind of fun and weird and yeah, I dig that.
Everett	This, this is, this is fun. Watch it more fun. Watch collection for me. Yeah. Uh, Yeah, I'm into it.
Andrew	And what a good $250 flyer with a quartz movement. What a good $250 flyer. Yeah.
Everett	Yeah. And it's a chord. It's a, it's a, it's a graph, right? These are cool. And, and dial layouts kind of, they had to change the dial layout cause it's quartz movement. And I think that the dial layouts actually, you know, the six and nine are a little bit higher up. So 10 and two, uh, I'm actually kind of a fan of the dial layout.
Andrew	I love the 10 to six.
Everett	Andrew, other things. Tell me what you got.
Andrew	I got another thing and it's a thing that I've had for several years now.
Unknown	Okay.
Andrew	It's a coffee mug. A travel mug.
Everett	It's dark times here at 40 and 20 you guys.
Andrew	No, so I was, I was thinking about other things and I like things that I use and things that I like. I have a lot of Yeti tumblers in varying sizes and I love them. I keep my coffee way too hot for way too long. They fit in every cup holder and they're awesome. They're Yeti. Like they're, they're just, you get the logo, you know, but I don't take them to work because I spill them. My work coffee mug. Keeps my coffee just as hot for just as long. Doesn't spill. And I've run over it with my car. It's a Contigo Snap Seal Byron 20 oz coffee mug. I got it at Walmart for like $12. You get it on Amazon for the 16 oz for $14.82 and for some reason you can't Get the 20 ounce. Oh, so you can in grade Jade. It's a weird name for 2645. You can also go to Walmart, walk down their coffee mug aisle and grab one for probably between 10 and 18 bucks. I pour my coffee one hour before I leave for work. I get to work, I leave it on the hood of my car, on my police car for approximately 45 minutes. So we're now almost two hours into this fresh cup of coffee being poured into this mug. I get in my car and put it in the door cup holder of my, of my Explorer, which is as a, that's why I've run it over. Cause I've gotten out of my car quickly and knocked it out and then gotten back in my car and run over it. So it's been run over with a full cup of coffee in it. It steam leaks a little bit cause I don't do a great job cleaning it like the seal on the snap seal. This keeps my coffee hot until it's like one third, of a mug. So a third of 20 ounces is what, like five ounces?
Everett	You're mad. Okay.
Andrew	Five and three quarters ounces. It's unimportant. Hot to that point. And then still very drinkably north of warm.
Everett	So on Amazon, 90,000 reviews, 89,992 reviews, like Four and a half, four and a half plus.
Andrew	Right. That's that's some shit right there. Yeah. This is my favorite coffee mug. It doesn't leak when I knock it over. It like oozes a little bit of leakage. Right. It seeps because I don't clean it well. That's not a design flaw. That's a that's a maintenance flaw. This is my favorite mug and it's the cheapest mug that I own. So it's my favorite for two reasons. Number one, it keeps my coffee fucking piping hot. It drinks easily. Sometimes you have to like into it cause it creates that little bubble and you don't drink it, but that's normal for a snap seal. Yeah. But it's cheap and I've run it over with my car and I don't care what happens to it because I can replace it for next to nothing. I'd be devastated. if I ran over and crunched one of my Yetis because they're expensive. This thing, man, fuck this thing, but I love it. Yeah. The Contigo Byron vacuum insulated stainless steel travel mug.
Everett	90,000 reviews on Amazon, four and a half stars.
Andrew	You don't get that.
Everett	You don't get that.
Andrew	That's it. Sub 30 bucks. This is my favorite coffee mug.
Everett	Andrew, I've got another thing. Do me. I, last March, bought a house. Me too. It's pretty good.
Andrew	Is the house the other thing? The house is my other thing. Buy a house. Not in this market, but you know, you should have.
Everett	So I have, I have, you know, I've done yard work in the past. I'm not like, it's not like I've never done yard work. You've owned homes before. I've owned homes before, but I was a much younger guy at the time. Much fitter. I now own a house and I'm sort of doing yard work. And in that I have a number of like bushes and shrubs and things that need to be maintained. And I've maintained that bush. I've decided I'm going to maintain the bush. And so I've had to procure tools. We've talked about some of them on the show. I used some of your tools yesterday. You did. And they worked fine, I think, right? They did. Uh, I recently, so for our, you know, spring, winter, spring maintenance had to take down a bunch of, I've got these bushes and they grow crazy. They grow crazy. When we moved in, these things were cut down to very small stumps. And over the course of the summer, they grew 10 feet tall and lush and green. Vibrant. Um, and so I needed to cut those back. So I had, Some old bypass pruners had a saw that didn't work very well. And so I've been slowly, you know, you can't buy all the tools at once. You shouldn't. I've been slowly procuring tools and some of them are fine. Most of them are fine. But I bought a tool this last week and the very first time I used it, I was like, Oh boy, this is the shit. And frankly, it's a saw. It's a saw. And I don't know anything about saws. It's a folding saw, a locking folding saw, which is something I know nothing about. However, when I started like sort of researching landscaping saws, this one came up a lot. And then as I started sort of looking into it more, there's statements like, All the landscapers I know have used other things in the past, Baco, or Alpinell, or yadda yadda yadda, and everybody ends here. Everybody ends here. These are the best, don't even look at anything else, buy a Silky Gomboy. They're Japanese, the steel is fantastic, the ergonomics are great, and they're not expensive, right? They're not terribly expensive anyway. I think I paid 35 bucks for a 210 millimeter, 21 centimeter, but they say 210, whatever. Make it seem bigger.
Andrew	This one's 130 millimeters.
Everett	Folding curved blade, gomboy silky or silky gomboy saw. I'm like, okay, whatever. This is going to do everything I need. I don't need to worry about this too much more, but it was one of those things. I opened it up and I started using it and I was like, Everything about this is just a joy. So it locks into two positions, which I read about that and I was like, I don't know that I need that, but whatever. Uh, it just comes in. You want that? Well, so I mean, I guess I didn't realize that I wanted it, but I want it. And it's amazing. Uh, shit, man. I think the 35 bucks or whatever I paid for this, if you ever have to cut anything, bushcraft, landscaping, whatever, just buy one of these.
Andrew	You can buy them at REI for just as a testament to their functionality. REI carries Pocket Boys, not Gone Boys. Yeah, the Pocket Boys are a little smaller. Yeah, it's 130 versus 210.
Everett	And so I don't know anything about size. I didn't know what size to get. And I kind of tried to look and people were like, oh, we'll get this size. And then someone else is like, I prefer this size. And it's like, everybody just prefers the one they have. So I was like, well, it doesn't really matter. And so I kind of held my hands up and I was like, yeah, I'll get that one. You know, I guess it's the right one. Uh, cause it's, it was fine, but I just, it was one of those things. I bought it and I was like, yeah, man, I'm a gone boy, fan boy. Now you would be, I'm a gone boy, fan boy. And that's it. That's all I have to say about it.
Andrew	These are real. I prefer a pole saw. I just, I use an electric. They make pole saws. I just use an electric Black & Decker pole saw. Oh, I see what you're saying. Yeah. No, that's, that's my preferred tool for this application, but I'm not up high, right?
Everett	I'm down low and it was amazing. So a two inch, a two inch stick, I'm through that thing in about seven seconds. I mean, it is like cutting through, Butter, it is crazy. You're going to have to like just come over and play with it because it might be... I'm going to come play with your gumball. It might just be because it's new.
Andrew	No, these hold their edge well.
Everett	I mean, this style of teeth hold their edge really well, but... I just had no clue that I was going to get this thing and be like, fuck man, I'm into it. Now I'm going to saw things. I'm like looking around the yard for things to saw.
Andrew	I was using my Black & Decker like pole chainsaw. to cut down a tree in my yard, and it was filling my yard debris. So I just started like driving it vertically into my yard debris bin, breaking everything up. But you can't do that with a gomboi, but I have a similar, I don't have a gomboi, but I have another Japanese folding blade that I use for butchering animals to get through that pelvis. And the two locking positions is nice.
Everett	Well, who knows? You did apparently, but now I know. Now you know. Silky Gone Boy, link in the show notes. We've talked about watches. We've talked about Moons watches. Silky Gone Boys. Silky Gone Boys, Contigo snap seals. Yeah. This is kind of a, this is a good episode. This is a diverse episode. We just, we really did it this week.
Andrew	You know, we've maybe outdone ourselves.
Everett	We deserve a week off. Anything you want to add before we go?
Andrew	Nah dude, I'm all out of things. Are you sure you're all out of things? Not really, no. So I have one last thing. We would love to bring more people into the fold. People like Evan, who are vintage gold watch aficionados. There are more Evans out there who have things that they have dedicated their time and effort to become subject matter experts in. Subject matter Evans.
Everett	Yeah. Subject matter Evans. That's the new, that's the new phrase for that. Like you're maybe not an expert, but you're the next best thing.
Andrew	As good as it gets. There's no one better. That's right. If you have things like that, interests, opinions, we'd love to have you. Especially if they're related to watches. Mostly if they're related to watches, but we're also very down with your articles on Silky Gumboys and that ilk. We would love to bring more people into the fold to give a platform for other watch nerds to share the things that they've made themselves experts in. Shoot us an email. You can't text us. You can DM us on Instagram and you can DM us. Us? You can DM Everett. It's not me. I don't do social media. You can DM Will at WatchClicker. Yeah. Shoot us at the WatchClicker family, an email, a DM. We want to have you. We want this to be a platform for people to share their knowledge and passion with the rest of the watch nerds out there listening.
Everett	Doesn't matter if you got one article, 10 articles, or 100 articles in you. 100 is best, but one is great. Holler at your boys.
Unknown	Yeah.
Andrew	Now I'm out of things.
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