Episode 177 - Watches Roundup

Published on Thu, 17 Mar 2022 06:24:19 -0700

Synopsis

The podcast hosts, Andrew and Everett, discuss recent watch releases and news. They cover new colorways for the Tissot PRX line, including a 35mm quartz version and a Valjoux-powered chronograph model. They also talk about the new Omega Aqua Terra releases with colorful dials, the ultra deep-water resistant Planet Ocean Ultra Deep watches, and their thoughts on whether the Aqua Terra is copying Rolex's designs. Other topics include the use of the Speedmaster in the movie "The Adam Project", the new Casio G-Shock MRG B5000 titanium watch, the Seiko limited edition for the World Athletics Championships in Eugene, and the affordable Timex Expedition Northfield Post Solar watch. They share their general musings on various watch brands and models throughout the conversation.

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Everett	Hello, fellow watch lovers, nerds, enthusiasts, or however you identify. You're listening to 40 and 20 The Watch Clicker podcast with your host Andrew and my good friend Everett. Here we talk about watches, food, drinks, life, and other things we like. Everett, how are you?
Andrew	I'm good, man. Do you feel ever like this is the part of the show where we talk about how I'm busy, and at work and your kids have been crazy. Yeah. And we talk about it for like five minutes. That's life.
Everett	Because that's exactly how I feel right now. That's exactly what life is right now. We're parents with young kids. Yeah. Mayhem. Yeah. My kids are really good though.
Andrew	Yeah.
Everett	Because they're old enough to like self entertain. Yeah.
Andrew	Yeah, that's true. No, I'm really good, man. I am busy. I am busy. My law partner is traveling to another part of the world for some army training. He'll be back soon. Army training. Army training. He'll be back soon, but like in our practice and the type of work we do, two weeks gone is too long. It's like, it's like he's going to be gone for, I guess, so he's leaving today, which is the 15th. He left this morning. And it's already started and he'll be back on the second. So that's like the, almost the full life cycle of an eviction lawsuit.
Everett	And so of the lawsuit, like of the trial part though, I mean, no, the whole, I mean the whole thing.
Andrew	So, you know, from the time you file your first appearance to the time you have trial, that's, it's like three weeks. So I had first appearances today that will be tried, actually, no, I filed lawsuits today that I'll probably try before he gets back. So we've got, so all the money's yours. Uh, yeah, I mean, we, uh, we're, we're sort of eat what you kill anyway, but it's, uh, yeah, I mean, it's going to be crazy. I had, I had three hearings today. I have three hearings in Lane County and a hearing in Douglas County tomorrow. Uh, you know, for you at home who don't know these counties, Douglas County is like an hour and a half from us.
Everett	Yeah, it's like, I don't know, county seats, 80 miles from where we are.
Andrew	Before he took off, we went through our entire docket and it's like 20 hearings, 20 matters that I have to do before he comes back, which is a lot, right? It's maybe hard to get context, but it's a lot. Have fun.
Everett	I mean, in 10 working days, in 10 business days. Yeah.
Andrew	Yeah. Yeah. It's, it's a lot. So, uh, it'll be fun. It's good. It's work that I'm really confident in. And we, you know, it's, you, you settle most of these cases like with anything else. So it's a lot of like alternative dispute resolution and creativity that has to happen, but.
Everett	Massaging, if you will.
Andrew	Massaging.
Everett	I hate that term. I hate when people use that term for any kind of mediation or conflict resolution. We just got to massage this. I'm like, no, you don't. We have to talk about it. We have to come up with creative solutions. We don't have to touch each other or any matter with our hand.
Andrew	Don't say massage. I often get asked to massage a deed or an easement. Can you massage this a little bit?
Everett	No. Can you milk me, Greg? That's what I always think.
Andrew	I'm like, no, it's the wrong word. You know, the word doesn't bother me. I appreciate the, I appreciate the, the sentiment, but yeah, it's a little awkward now that you mentioned it.
Everett	It's just the wrong word. How are you doing, Andrew? Which you can't really find. Pearl sugar's really hard to find. Yeah, you gotta buy it on the Amazon. But that's basically deep frying it. It's just like, well, it's not, but it's caramelizing in it, which is the effect you're getting with a deep fryer, like that crispy caramelization. I'm good. I had, you know, we're on the tail end of weekend and I'm looking down the barrel of a short work week before vacation and I'm good. For that reason, I'm good. I have, I don't know, 16 days away from work. So when do you, when do you leave for vacation? We're going to leave on Sunday morning for vacation and return either the following Saturday or Sunday. That's open ended pending family visits. My Sam's cousin, maybe, I don't know how they're related. her family's weird and that they have people who are not related to them in any form or fashion who are closer than most like other family members. Like they're at every holiday, they're at every gathering. They refer to themselves as family, like street cousins. Uh, anyway, she works on a ranch in Anaheim ish area, which I was unaware of their existence. Um, And it has invited us to come do a tour of all the ranch funtivities that are there, which will be, I don't know, going to a ranch, but Sam's parents are coming with us. They're not doing the drive, but they're going to be down the whole week also. This is like horses and llamas. Yeah. And llamas and goats and sheeps and That's apparently this is something I didn't know even having worked for Anheuser-Busch is that the the barn that they do all the Anheuser-Busch commercials at is There at that ranch in California. Oh neat and not in fact in st Louis where I Was led to believe by the mothership when I worked for said mothership some bitch. Yeah, so I'll get to see the barn Yeah, no Clydesdale. So because they do live in St
Andrew	I did find out this week that Yellowstone is filmed almost exclusively in Utah, even though at the end they say filmed in Montana.
Everett	I'm sure they do like enough in Montana to be able to say it's like Montana made. It's like that 90%. Made in Swiss. Made in Switzerland. But yeah, no, obviously that's not all Montana.
Andrew	Yeah, no, I think it's like, it's like 90% Utah. It's cheaper there. Yeah, maybe.
Everett	And your crew can't get so drunk because of the 3-2 beers. There's some rules there that are conducive to putting cowboys on a set.
Andrew	So we are going to talk about watches. In effect, I think now is the time when we do that. We should just dive right into it. I just looked at the, I just looked at the recording ticker and it was seven 11.
Everett	Yeah, but you know, we, the music's like four minutes long at least. Yeah. Easy.
Andrew	Yeah, so we're talking about watches. We're going to do one of our watch round up. This is this is going to be a fun one. I think there's a lot of cool releases that have happened in the last couple of weeks since we've done this. Yes, some there's going to be some some carry on from our last round up. We're still on that PRX train. There's going to be some transition from from the PRX into Omega. I mean, we're gonna have some natural segues here.
Everett	Yeah, and I think actually the PRX into Omega is probably the right spot to start.
Andrew	Let's do it.
Everett	So we've got some new colors coming in the PRX line. And we have five new colors in A 35 millimeter case. There's a silver with kind of rose gold. That's what I'm going to call it. I'm comfortable saying rose gold. Hands and markers. A good blue. A silver blue, baby blue maybe. Nice emerald green and an all gold. And this is the PRX that we talk ad nauseum about. It could be the new darling.
Andrew	Yeah, 35 millimeter case. Yes, a 35. I mean, that's the big deal here, right? We've now got a 35. So I think the deal with the PRX, you know, you've got that stiff bracelet, that stiff end link, basically, you know, integrated bracelet, obviously, but there's some stiffness at that first link. So for some people, I think the PRX, the standard, the standard normal size PRX, where it's a little bit too long in the lug to lug. And so this theoretically, this 35 millimeter case should address that. Uh, I don't know what the lug to lug is, but at 35, it's probably going to be low to mid forties at the very most.
Everett	Um, they don't have it listed.
Andrew	They don't, they don't. So we're looking at time and tide. Um, Oh, this says length has been reduced to a compact 34.6 millimeters.
Everett	That doesn't make sense.
Andrew	Yeah. Cause, Well, I think it may actually, because you've got, uh, no, you're right. That doesn't make sense.
Everett	It doesn't make sense. Although if you look at the case shape, that's actually, I might be willing to accept that. Let me see if we can find it.
Andrew	Uh, well, no, cause the, well, yeah, I don't know either way. I think even with the, with the end links, you're still looking at a very, very manageable lug to lug on these. Um, And I think they're coming in at like, like, you know, under, well under 500 bucks. These are, it is a quartz PRX. I think probably for me, this will be too small. That's my guess at 35 millimeters.
Everett	I think I might get one of these.
Andrew	Yeah?
Everett	Yeah. I think, uh, I think this is going to be right up my alley.
Andrew	It does seem like Tissot's done a, uh, the noble thing in sort of not releasing this to as a ladies watch, uh, maybe just the smart thing, not, not necessarily noble. Um, but clearly their model photos are all petite feminine hands.
Everett	I think that they've modeled for one of those photos.
Andrew	So I do take, are you the one in the black sequined dress?
Everett	Obviously. I thought you can recognize those curves. Um, I think that's the right move. And I, I appreciate that they're not marketing this just as a lady's watch also, because I don't know, that's a weird, I've just always felt uncomfortable by marketing things as like a watch as a men's or women's.
Andrew	It just doesn't make any sense really. Right. It's a 35 millimeter watch. No matter what kind of, uh, what kind of genitalia or gender preferences you have, it's a watch.
Everett	I expect to see probably in six months or so, they'll do a mechanical version of this also.
Andrew	Of the 35, yeah. That would be my guess. So these are under 10 millimeters thick.
Everett	9.6.
Andrew	Yeah. So it's going to wear really nice. And the finishing looks just as good as, you know, I don't know why I would expect it to be any different, but.
Everett	Tissot's really stepping it up. And I think they've always been in this interesting space. in, in the watch world where they're kind of an introduction into, into the pseudo luxury world. And they've made a huge splash in the affordable quality category in the last couple of years. And it's really cool what they're doing. They're kind of, they're filling that void that Seiko kind of created. Maybe, I mean, fake created, but that we all felt existed. that we expected Timex to step up and fill and Tiso's filling it. They just moved right in on it and they're like, Hey, what up?
Andrew	Yeah. And I wonder if it's, uh, I wonder if it's because of the success of the PRX or if it's vice versa, you know, I'm not sure it really matters. Um, but it does seem like it does seem like Tiso has stepped up, but I don't, I can't think of anything they've done. to step up besides the PRX.
Everett	Sometimes it only takes one in several iterations. Yeah. And with that, I think that's going to transition us nicely to a Valjoux powered PRX chronograph. Yeah. Which is not 9.6 millimeters thick. No, it's not.
Andrew	We're going to get that one out. 9.6 millimeters thick times two.
Everett	Yeah. Like just whoo. Uh, I mean, I don't know what else to say. This is, this is the PRX powered by a Valjoux.
Andrew	How cool is that shit? It's super cool. This, yeah. So what is this? Is this the 7733? What movement is this? I'm looking, I don't recall. So yeah, so basically what it is is a PRX case with a, with a 369 three register chronograph and a date at 430, which do you need a 430 date? I don't know.
Everett	I like a 430 date.
Andrew	Okay.
Everett	Okay. I don't know where else you're going to put a date on a 369. And maybe you don't put a date. I think a date's appropriate here.
Andrew	All right. So these are great PRX. So, so two roundup episodes, we've now talked about three PRXs. So we had the flute bezel.
Everett	Yeah.
Andrew	We've got the fluted bezel, we've got the 35 millimeter, and now we've got the chronograph. Is this going to become 40 and 20, the PRX podcast? I think it maybe should, because if you look at the pushers on that... I really, really want to get that PRX money, that TESO money. How do we do that? I think we have to be good at tennis or something.
Everett	We could get good at tennis, or we could shave our hands. Because if you look at this guy who's watch, who's watch modeling, it looks like he shaves the top of his hand, but missed some spots.
Andrew	You think that's the trick? Yeah.
Everett	Shave your hands. No belt. Um, just generally be more fashionable than we are.
Andrew	Yeah. 77, 53. I'm sorry.
Everett	Um, that's what I said. 53. We agreed. Um, that's what you guessed. And I said, let me verify. And you were right. So look at it.
Andrew	So this is, this is sick. It is what? 16, 1750. No, no, no, no, no, no. So I think that they are 1750 but 16 millimeters thick. No, 14 and a half millimeters. Which, that's a lot. It's a chronograph. It's a chronograph.
Everett	It's a Valjoux movement. I mean, those are, those are thick. Even with the thickness of that movement, they've done a really good job contouring this case. So it's not just a big old slab, which is, is hard to accomplish using this movement. Yeah. It's very easy to just create a leaning tower and put a bracelet on it and that's what sits on your wrist. This is still very PRX. Sleek, sexy, but a thick ass chronograph.
Andrew	You know, having not seen these, I do wonder if you're going to lose a little bit of that, a little bit of that PRX feel, right? Because so much of the PRX's identity is that thinness. And so I do wonder if you lose a little bit of that. Um, but it is what it is, right? You can always just get a PRX, uh, you know, whether it's the, the quartz or the, or the auto for a very good price.
Everett	And now you can also, well, not now, but soon you'll be able to get them in 35, which is really my jam. Yeah.
Andrew	1500 bucks. Yeah. 1500 a year. I think it's 1750 is what is what they're selling for an SRP in the U S and then, uh, Which is fucking great by the way. A sub 2000 automatic chronograph by a legit brand. That's a super, and this is a good movement. It's an ETA movement, Swiss movement. You're going to get some of the repair, but you know, it's a 7750. So these things are, you can work on them, but it's not the most It's certainly not whole horology. Uh, we've, we've recorded episodes, which are essentially a love letter to the 7750, but it's not the most, uh, repairable movement or, or even the most quote unquote workhorse, which means a functional piece of shit.
Everett	Yeah. It's just going to work though. It's going to do what you want it to do. It's gonna be very attractive and it's, and you're going to be able to replace it.
Andrew	That's what you do with this movement.
Everett	I can't think of what other mechanical chronographs are coming in under 2000.
Andrew	No, I mean, this is it. This is basically it. Yeah. So you've got like the Intramatic, Hamilton Intramatic, which is about the same price, same movement for the record. And, you know, there's a couple of microbrand things out there. Certainly lots of stuff on the used market. If it's an automatic chronograph, it's going to be more than this. Just almost as a rule.
Everett	Yeah.
Andrew	So. I love it. I'd buy it. I want it. It's good. Yeah.
Everett	I don't know if I'd buy it.
Andrew	Well, I mean, I think that's the thing, right? That's why Mecca Quartz is so. That's why Mecca Quartz is so great. It looks the same. It feels the same. But it's much cheaper. But so much cheaper. I mean, like a huge, tremendous amount cheaper.
Everett	Yeah. Orders of magnitude, even.
Andrew	I think Megacord's movements are like 50 ish bucks cost, you know, which means, you know, a hundred to 130 for the, for the MSRP in a watch on that movement versus this. I think that this is 500, which means MSRP to the end of the user, 600, 700 minimum. Yeah. In a watch is what I mean by that.
Everett	So just the movement, nevermind the rest of what has to happen.
Andrew	Yeah. Sorry. Did I say 600, 700? Oh, 1100. Yeah. Yeah. I was underestimating, you know, you figure you double it, whatever cost is you double it to the, to the maker. So you're kind of got to, before you put a watch around this thing, it's like $1,100 in MSRP. Yeah.
Everett	So what I'm learning right now is that they're ripping us off. Where's the other $600 in value coming from? Yeah, it's a cash grab. Those, they're so greedy, man.
Andrew	You know?
Everett	Capitalism. The nerve. So since we're on the topic of new colorway releases, I want to talk a little bit about the Aqua Terra.
Andrew	okay we're just we're just gonna get them all out of the way right now yeah we're gonna do that and i dig it i think the aquaterra you dig what so omega introduced five new 38 millimeter 150 meter aquaterras and there's some feelings what yeah tell me what your feelings are not from me
Everett	I think at large, there's some feelings that this is, I mean, you talked about the meme and I saw that meme, but I couldn't, I couldn't isolate to where I'd seen it either. Sure. But it was an accusation effectively that the Aqua Terra was aping Rolex. Yeah, the Datejust. Yeah, their Datejust and their releases. And I think I, I think I disagree. Because for things to be similar, it doesn't have to be a theft. You know, the Honda Civic and the Toyota Corolla are the same thing, but not really a copy of one another. Sure. Pepsi and Coke are direct competitors, but not copies of one another. And I like what Omega's doing with the Aqua Terra line. Adding some color to it, adding some fun to it, I like that.
Andrew	Yeah, I think these are great, great looking watches. I'm less interested in who's copying who than I am about options. You know, frankly, this is a really close competitor to the Datejust. And you can get it. You could buy it today. That's right. That's right. You know, really, in some ways, retail price is about the same. You know, certainly we would expect availability to be higher. But besides that, It's kind of one-to-one. I don't know enough about Rolex movements to say that a Master Coaxial is better or worse. What I do know is that a Master Coaxial is a fantastic movement and, you know, probably one of the best production movements that you can buy. And this has it. This has it. We don't talk a lot about Omega on the show. Although we have recently, it feels like more than normal. I think that they've done a few things, a couple things that I really like here. So one size is great, 38 millimeters. I think that that is pretty standard, pretty standard stuff. Uh, but they've gotten rid of the teak dial for these. So this is, these have got cleaner sunburst dials. Uh, it's got this great six o'clock date window. I like it. I like a date window. Six o'clock is a great place for a date window. Uh, I think that these are just sort of like watches, right? We've talked about the watch. This is a watch. Uh, and when I say watch, I'm making finger quilts, right? Like, This is the one watch, right?
Everett	Yeah. Oh, this could absolutely be the one watch. 150 meters of water resistance. I mean, I don't give a shit about magnetic resistance, but 15,000 gauss seems like a lot to me.
Andrew	Yeah.
Everett	How's your albinist doing? Yep. It's with Will. I have to find somebody to service it. I spent yesterday trying to, uh, doing some research on people to repair my watch. These aren't cheap 6,000 bucks, but you can get them. Yeah. And if you're in the, well, I want this level, this tier of watch what I want, I can't get. I think that maybe you do want the Aqua Terra. It does all the same things. It's just as attractive. You can get it. I don't know. I like the new color introduction.
Andrew	And I'm just realizing something and I'm going to feel like a fool, but we don't, I'm not going to go back and fix this. I've been saying Datejust meaning Oyster Perpetual.
Everett	Oh yeah. And I just agreed with you. I went right along with it. Yeah.
Andrew	So if you're at home yelling at your radio, I'm sorry. Obviously this is a Oyster Perpetual comparison and not an OP comparison and not a Datejust comparison. Um, yeah, I, I dig it, man. I dig it. I don't actually know how hard it is to find one of these new colorful OPs. I assume it's not, it's not easy, but I wonder if it's, I don't think it's like Submariner hard.
Everett	Do we have an AD here? We have to have an Omega AD here.
Andrew	We do. Yeah. The place at, uh, at Oakway.
Everett	I will go in there tomorrow. Do it. And I'll see what we can find. Do it. I'll see if I'm even allowed in.
Andrew	If you go in a uniform and flash your badge, I bet they'll let you in.
Everett	I'll just go in without a badge and make it look like a robbery. No, no, don't do that. And then they'll just let me look and then I'll leave and they'll be like, wait, we weren't just robbed? That guy was here shopping?
Andrew	So do we keep it going with Omega? Omega introduced Uh, so Omega introduced a handful of watches, uh, this last week and a half or so.
Everett	People have been on benders. Yeah. This, this last three months, this release cycle period is big.
Andrew	Yeah. I wonder if we're doing a little bit of catch up. Um, but you know, I, or I think they've done something really sort of obvious and very easy to like in in those new Aqua Terras. They've done some things a little bit less obvious with their Planet Ocean series.
Everett	I think what they're calling the Omega Steel, the Ultra Deeps, right?
Andrew	Oh yeah, the Omega Steel.
Everett	which is a cool play on words and good for Omega for getting clever because it's not really like their version of clever in the last 20 years has been putting Snoopy on a speedy. Right.
Andrew	So yeah, they, so Omega's like kind of come back to this ultra deep series and released a bunch of, I can't remember like 2018, 2017 with these. Um, uh, it's been a while. It's been a few years. Yeah. They've been out. Uh, they, in particular, the, the flagship, uh, release from this new ultra deep line is this crazy 6,000 meter, 20,000 feet, uh, basically crush anything alive depth.
Everett	But that won't get you to the bottom of the trench. 20,000 feet. It's not going to make it.
Andrew	Forged grade five titanium. No, what's the, what's the depth on the,
Everett	35.8.
Andrew	Oh, yeah. Interesting. Yes.
Everett	So these are these are actually exceeding their rating going to the bottom of the trench. Right. Right. They updated. So it's in the originally in 2000. So in 2019, they went to the bottom of the trench. This is the Mariana Trench. When I say the trench, the original depth was recorded as thirty five thousand eight hundred and forty three feet. The depth was later updated to 35,876 feet. Two of them were attached to the submersible's arm, and another was strapped elsewhere to like a mechanical unit. All of them came up and down, so all of them beat their specs by a measly 15,000 feet. And that's crazy. They they almost doubled their own rating. You know, it's a little bit at some point. It's just like you're there. It's impenetrable. Right. And I feel like 20,000 feet rating is just nothing's getting in there. Yeah. Oxygen doesn't get in there.
Andrew	I wonder what the I sort of wonder what the like testing parameters are. So so why is it rated? at 6,000 meters, whatever, I don't care.
Everett	Maybe they can't in a lab reasonably create those circumstances. Right. I don't know.
Andrew	I mean, yeah, I don't know either. So this is, I mean, this is a totally dumb watch, right? It's a, I don't think it's a fixed lug. I do think it's fixed lugs, but I think it's got a split so you can like, I don't know. do like a non-pass-through or I don't know, something like that. But it's really cool. I don't know. I don't know that I'd ever want to have one.
Everett	Forged titanium for $12,300. Sign me up.
Andrew	Yeah. I mean, in the, in the, I think it's a lot cheaper than a deep sea dweller.
Everett	No, it is. It's also, I mean.
Andrew	It'd be a cool conversation piece.
Everett	Yeah.
Andrew	If you got 12 grand to throw around.
Everett	And if anybody ever recognized it for what it was. Is it a sub? no no yeah yeah these are these are cool they're interesting i mean it's kind of whatever but i mean they're just i think what's impressive to me about this watch is that they don't carry all the i can survive at the bottom of the trench watch hallmarks i kind of want this watch to have like a laser like and not like a like a cat toy laser like
Andrew	a James Bond laser.
Everett	Well, yeah, everyone wants that on their watch. But this just is, I mean, almost a nondescript dive watch, 45 and a half millimeter case. It's just like, it's like, yeah, I'm a dive watch. It's like low key, 20,000 feet water resistance.
Andrew	Omega is probably the king of the like obnoxiously big watch that people still wear anyway. Like not just obnoxiously big, Like, uh, like, uh, what's the name of that brand? Uh, Invicta. Uh, but like also weird and quirky that it's like, yeah, that's an everyday watch. I like a plow prof or, you know, or what's the, uh, you know, plow prof, I guess could be an everyday. It's not really, but what's the, the Alaska project, right? It's like the huge aluminum disc, you know, Not that anybody's stately in Alaska project, but they do all manner of things.
Everett	Weird. Uh, we're talking to Omega. Let's do it. Let's keep it up. So today I watched the Adam project.
Andrew	I watched it.
Everett	I watched it this weekend, which it was, it was an interesting movie. It was like, it is kind of a teen movie I think is where I'm going to go with that. It's like kind of cute, kind of family story, kind of action driven. It was an interesting genre collision. Sure. Something that caught me was seeing a 12 year old wearing a speedy and feeling like it fit his wrist better than it fits mine. Cause when, when he holds his wrist up and he goes this watch, I was like, that's a motherfucking Speedmaster.
Andrew	Why does it fit him so good? So first I'll just say, I actually think this movie is excellent. I really enjoyed it. I think Ryan Reynolds has that ability to sort of make any movie good, uh, just by way of his charm. But I thought this movie in particular is better than you might realize at first. I think that their take on, you know, time travel tropes. Um, yeah, I actually thought they did really good on the sci-fi bit of it as well. Uh, to give you a mid episode other thing.
Everett	Yeah.
Andrew	Um, and, and not to give too many spoilers, if you've seen a trailer, you know, this basically Ryan Reynolds travels from the future back to now from the future to basically now and meets as much younger self. And they do some, some world saving together, right? That's, that's the premise here. And, uh, they, at some point meet up with Bruce Banner. And who's who's Ryan Reynolds dad times two squared or or square root? I'm not sure. Quite confused. Who also who also wears the same.
Everett	The same Speedmaster is on all three people in the same timeline. It's very confusing. On different straps.
Andrew	Yes. On different straps. Yes. And the article does a good job talking about the different straps, which.
Everett	Which is fun. But I as somebody who consumes a lot of media, I'm always watching the watches that I see. And I thought the Speedmaster placement in this was... Who watches the Watchmen? Exactly. I thought the Speedmaster placement was really well done. Usually it's like you get just a long hold on somebody's Speedmaster for no reason. I got one. What up? But this was, it was like this really, it's was it kind of its own story, you know, like my dad's watch, you know, I'm wearing it and I'm wearing it still. And the dad's a physicist. So it's, there's not like a, Oh, I'm an astronaut Speedmaster tie. It's just kind of like they made it just like an every person's watch in that.
Andrew	And this kid's wearing it. I don't know. It's an 1861 Speedmaster, which, which is the right watch. I mean, yeah, no, they, they definitely did a good job. I agree with you a hundred percent. They made it into a fun plot point and it was a good, and it's a good watch for that plot point. I loved it.
Everett	And for no reason, like it clearly is just someone on the set liked a watch.
Andrew	The only unrealistic thing is, is allowing your, a middle-class family, allowing your 12 year old son to wear a Speedmaster. Yeah. I wouldn't tolerate that. That was the only realist. I don't care if it's dads or not. You're not wearing that fucking thing until you turn 20. Yeah.
Everett	The F91 gets worn by my kids. Sometimes the 5600, but the F91. That's disposable, making it the most durable watch on the planet. Um, so with that, we can move on to something else, but I thought it was a good Speedmaster spot in media and I wanted to mention it.
Andrew	Yeah. And this Danny Milton article is good as good as well. So Danny, uh, Milton winds up talking to the prop, you know, if you're at, if you're at Hodinkee, apparently you have access to prop masters, and he winds up talking to the prop master. How do we get access to prop masters? Brett? It might be one of those things where you just have to ask, and we don't have enough confidence to ask.
Everett	Who would we ask? You just email theadamproject at gmail.com?
Andrew	Yeah, maybe. I don't know. Obviously, connections. But in any event, the article is well-written. It's insightful. I actually really like Danny Milton's writing, and I think he did a good job with this. Link will be in the show notes.
Everett	Yeah. And you can get one on the Hondinky shop for $52.50 right now.
Andrew	Is it a 3861? It probably is, right?
Everett	It is. Yeah. Why would you write an article about 3861 and then post?
Andrew	Well, no, this was an 1861 in the movie, so.
Everett	Doesn't matter. Moving right along.
Andrew	Let's talk about that G-Shock. Oh, yeah. So we don't talk about, we talk enough about G-Shock on this show, but I don't know if, I don't know if you've looked at this new MRG B5000, the new titanium DW5000 iteration. So they're calling this the B5000B-1. Which is, I think it might be like a troll. I think this watch might be a troll.
Everett	I think you're right.
Andrew	Which I don't, I'm cool with it. I'm cool with it, Cassio. You troll me all you want, baby. It's, yeah. This is a 5,000 C case made out of titanium that's gonna cost you, how much are these? 6,000. Yeah, yeah. Yeah.
Everett	$6,000.
Andrew	They're obviously beautiful.
Everett	I buy it. I would. So what interested me most about this article was, and it's something I never considered, was that as G-Shock's technology has to evolve with different materials that it's using, and also, you know, you should just improve your technology over time, They do an exploded view of a G-Shock bezel. Which doesn't sound interesting. But it is. Until you see a picture of it. Yeah. And I, I want Art of Urology to do a print of this exploded bezel of the G-Shock. And I would buy several because I never want to go into a room of my house without seeing it. 56 parts is what they say in the article. And I don't count 56 parts when I look at the exploded view, but right. They say 56, 25 part. I don't know where 56 came from. 25 parts, which is weird that it's an odd number until you consider the, just the single plate that you see when you look at the bezel. But when you look at this exploded view, there is so many moving pieces to be able to retain their shock absorption and resistance as they change technologies, as they change bracelet strap and watch materials. It all has to compensate for these different, um, shock resistant and absorbing characteristics of the materials that they're using. It's just something I never considered. Yeah. And then when they, this article talks about how they had to make adjustments as they go into, um, metallurgy and adding both weight and a change in shock resistance, something I never would have considered. It's kind of, it's a fucking G shock. They've all been built the same since the beginning of time and they will all be built the same until the end. Not the case.
Andrew	Yeah. And they've actually done something kind of interesting here. You know, it's this is sort of like a, uh, this is sort of like, uh, you know, the, the gravity defying pressurized pen capsule versus pencil argument, uh, a little bit, right. The, the G-Shock is such a beautiful design, uh, because it's, you know, it's so simple and this is almost in some ways, this is like anti, G-shock, or it feels that way. Maybe it's not. Maybe that's not exactly right.
Everett	It flies in the face of the simplicity argument.
Andrew	That's right. Yeah. It's, it's, it is in some ways anti G-shock and, and I'm here for it. I think it's cool. Uh, I'm always going to be, uh, I'm always going to be a proponent of the unnecessary, unnecessarily complicated and interesting, but.
Everett	To make it simple. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
Andrew	Just, I mean, a cool. Like give me that Fisher space fan. I'm into it.
Everett	Yeah. There's a cool. g-shock article they remind you the g-shock is not as simple as we think it is it's not a pencil well well the g-shock is a pencil this g-shock is a fisher space pen yeah so also six grand it will be available in titanium and it's very cool and i think they they have it in steel too for a little bit less money right five grand no it is i'll give you the exact number uh yeah no five five thousand
Andrew	All right, where do we go from here? Oh, I don't know. My friend Andrew.
Everett	Um. What's a? What a speed timer.
Andrew	Oh yeah, this is this is so not one but two automatic chronographs on this show. Thank you. Everett and Andrew, you're welcome. You're welcome. So psycho, I think it was 2019 that Seiko kind of brought back to life its presage automatic chronographs. You know, Seiko famously first to market with an automatic chronograph back when Zenith was fighting with allegedly the other Swiss, the other Swiss folk, uh, uh, you know, Zenith with their chronomatic, collab movement. Seiko kind of sneaks in, beats them to market with the speed timer. Very, very cool movement. Vertical clutch, column wheel, 6139. It's always, to me, felt like a little bit of a vacuum, the automatic chronograph for normal people. So when Seiko kind of signaled that it might be willing to commit to that market segment a few years ago, I was kind of excited about it. Not that I've rushed to market to buy one of these, but this week or last week, in the last week or so, Seiko's announced, this is a limited edition, but it's an Ellie that is near, kind of special to us, and dear to us at 40 and 20 here. because it is a limited edition for the World Championships track event that's going to be here in June of 2022. And when I say here, I mean in Eugene, Oregon, which I suppose is kind of like the spiritual home of track and field in the United States. I think some people think to the detriment of the sport, but in any event, here we are with a world-class track facility and no hotels within 20 miles of said track facility. Uh, yeah. So world championships, Eugene, Oregon, June, 2022, and the Seiko limited edition watch to commemorate this, uh, pretty neat. Do I love the watch? I don't know. It's beautiful. It's an automatic chronograph, which I'm a sucker for. Uh, it is as Seiko does the dial is themed and supposedly this dial invokes the pebbled track surface at Hayward, the brand new Hayward Field.
Everett	I hate the way Seiko describes colors. I hate it. Yeah. Well, there is no color that captures the glistening glow of dew burning off in the morning. Fuck off.
Andrew	I do think that this has, oh, so caliber 8R46, which is Seiko's very, very good vertical clutch column wheel chronograph. They've also got this patented heart-shaped plate that secures the balance wheel. I don't know enough about movements to know if that's cool, but I think that's old tech that Seiko kind of patented at some point. has ridden out, uh, for better or worse. And I think probably it's, it's neutral at best, but yeah, I dig this thing, man. 3,200 euro is the price on these. So I guess that's what 3,500 bucks. It's not a cheap watch, but yeah, you know, for there'll be a non le also.
Everett	And I imagine it's just going to be a black dial or just a little bit more.
Andrew	You can still get the Prisaj, the 2019-2020 Prisaj Chronos. And so I think the only thing that's an upgrade for this one is their use of LumaBright. So they've done more LumaBright on the dial and hands than is typical for this watch. So it's going to be a basically Bees Knees Tits Seiko with Seiko's pretty dope automatic chronograph that's probably more expensive to maintain than a Valjoux. But, you know, it's watches. Everything in watches is stupid. This is no more stupid than anything else. And if you're like me, it's almost exactly the right amount of stupid.
Everett	What's their super hard coating?
Andrew	Well, I think that Seiko's DyaShield, right?
Everett	Right.
Andrew	Is there something else?
Everett	I don't know. They just, with super hard coating, Is Dice Shield their hard coating? I don't remember.
Andrew	Yeah, me neither. It's a really great, it's a really interesting watch.
Everett	I will report that after several days of wearing that there are not scratches on this Traska.
Andrew	Your Traska? Yeah, I've heard their coating is fantastic.
Everett	Also, I have no desk diving marks yet. I'll pass it off, but it's a, I haven't put it to the test exactly. I'm not going to set out to mar my watch, but Everett can. Um, yeah, no, it looks great.
Andrew	You've been wearing this basically, you've been wearing it basically every day, right?
Everett	Not to work, but you know, for all other applications.
Andrew	Yeah. I, I assume Tresca is using something like Dice Shield or, or whatever.
Everett	So, so we got, we got time I think for maybe one more.
Andrew	Tell me what you want to talk about.
Everett	You know what I want to talk about?
Andrew	Tell me, tell me, tell me, tell me.
Everett	I want to talk about the Timex Expedition Northfield, Northfield Post Solar 36. That's a long name. It's a lot of, it's a lot of name. Timex doesn't do really well with references or names. They do really well with watches. This is everything you come to expect out of a Timex. It, there's nothing special or cool about it, but that it's simultaneously special and cool. It's a weekender in 36, but solar. So it's their Northfield post solar, I think in black anodized, uh, 100 meters of water resistance. It's a screw down crown. I mean, it's just, it's, it's Timex taking a step up and at $159. Yeah. I almost just bought one of these without mentioning it because it's, what is Timex doing that they're doing so many cool things.
Andrew	Yeah. You know, these are, so the one you sent me is being sold out of the wind up watch shop. Uh, and it sort of feels like Timex is, has realized that there's this market here and, uh, phoning it in is, can't be all of their, can't be all of their, their watches, right?
Everett	Yeah.
Andrew	You know, I don't know that there was any good reason for the Weekender to be as popular as it was, uh, besides just simplicity of design. Timex is a great brand, but it felt a little bit like the Weekender was a shitty watch. I mean I still today feel like it is a shitty watch. The Weekender is a pretty awful watch and I like it. It's an awful watch that I can say without reservation I really like because it looks good and it just kind of makes sense and it was $40, $50. But you know, plated brass, terrible terrible terrible movement, not particularly reliable movement, not particularly accurate movement, noisy as fuck. So the dial printing is fine, it's whatever, but nobody ever talks about dial printing on a $40 watch. No, because it's disposable. Relatively well designed, and that's about it. Everything else about that watch is terrible. And yet, We talk about it fondly. It seems a little bit like Timex has decided to take some of that and put them into legitimate and still very affordable watches.
Everett	Yeah. It seems like they're going to they're making a move into watch people watches in this regard.
Andrew	Or at least or at least like like reasonably wanting consumers.
Everett	Yeah.
Andrew	Right.
Everett	Plated steel. Solar quartz, sapphire crystal, screw-down crown, 100 meters of water resistance. I mean, it's just cool. I mean, they're making a no bullshit field watch.
Andrew	And to be clear, black plated steel. It's not plated steel. Yeah, black plated steel. They use black plated as vernacular, but I think really what it is is some sort of PVD coating.
Everett	Yeah, I mean like this is one of the most no bullshit Timex is out there and solar and solar. This is the field watch to me. It's got all the things it's loom could be better. But it's loom is perfectly adequate.
Andrew	Is that true?
Everett	Do you know that is the loom just looking at the at the loom plots? They just need to be a little bigger.
Andrew	No, no Indiglo on this.
Everett	No, no indiglo. It doesn't look like at least. Yeah. It's that looks like applied loom to me.
Andrew	Well, you know, you can't have it all.
Everett	You can't win them all. Right. This isn't, this isn't Orient can't win them all. This is like a, it's just small little loom plots.
Andrew	Yeah. And you know, they've gone with aged loom, but it's not overdone here.
Everett	No. And it comes on like a khaki.
Andrew	It's not like that boulder orange. Yeah.
Everett	Yeah, that's a weird color choice. But so, so cool. I saw this and I was like, I think I need one of these. This, I mean, this is one of the coolest watches that's come out this year for me.
Andrew	Yeah. All right. You know, we pulled a couple of other articles, but I think we can skip them. That's some interesting stuff. Maybe throw them in the show notes.
Everett	Yeah, I'll throw them in the show notes. Watching EastEdit at a 30 under 30-ish list. of some cool folks, some folks that we know and like and highlighted some people in the industry who are making a young people, young people in the industry, making a stank in a good way.
Andrew	Yeah. I don't know what I think about that article. I'm not sure I understand it.
Everett	I don't, I don't particularly understand either, but it was a nice reminder of some of the people that are there and cool to celebrate young people in our industry.
Andrew	So, uh, yeah, Serica introduced the first Serica watch that I don't like.
Everett	Yeah, man, I love the the colors on it. I just I don't like the California dial. I've never liked the Serica bracelets. I want to like this watch, but I just I can't bring myself to it.
Andrew	And the Zach Blass Time and Tide article regarding the Panther D Cartier watch being kind of the. What do they say? Cartier remains the go-to power watch. Uma Thurman, Rihanna, Dua Lipa, and more confirm this. Cartier remains the go-to power watch. That was a fun article. It was.
Everett	Yeah. It's cool seeing, like, outside of the prop master what people are wearing. Yeah. I assume, generally, that people are just uninformed. But if you're choosing that watch, you can't be wholly uninformed.
Andrew	Yeah, I'd wear a Panther D Cartier. Maybe I'll get one. I want one. I kind of want one of those. I don't know what it's called. What's the snake? What's the snake Cartier? The snake? The one that like coils around the wrist.
Everett	Oh, I'm always really intrigued by the crash.
Andrew	Oh, yeah, it's a cool watch. Yeah. All right. Other things, Andrew, what you got?
Everett	Are you familiar with NFTs? I mean, no, I'm not talking about NFTs tonight. Uh, so I mean, I am familiar with the idea. Uh, I don't know if I've talked about the show or not. It's called the last kingdom.
Andrew	We've talked about that in the show.
Everett	Have we? Well, I'm going to talk about it. I, the new season, it's a Netflix Vikings spinoff.
Andrew	It's, it's a Bulgari. It's the Bulgari Serpenti.
Everett	Oh, I'm sorry. You should be. I apologize to the listeners.
Andrew	Okay. Last Kingdom spin off.
Everett	The newest season just released and they get into it fast. Yeah. Where I'm in, I think I'm in the third episode of the new season and there's no build up to the new season. They just dive right in. Yeah.
Andrew	Kim and I watched the first episode last night.
Everett	Yeah. They just go for it. And this is what I was looking for when I started the actual Vikings show sequel. I dig the last kingdom. It's not as well acted. It's not as well produced. I like the stories I think equally, which allows me to look past the fact that they're not as good of actors and the production value is not as good, but I totally dig it. And if I waited a long time, I'm one who like, routinely checks on when release dates are gonna be for shows that have had a long hiatus. And I've been very much looking forward to this release. So when I saw it, when I knew it was gonna drop and it dropped, I was like, yes.
Andrew	Does Alexander Draymond look like Brad Pitt to you? Yeah. I see that guy and I'm like, this guy looks just like a fairly young Brad Pitt.
Everett	Yeah, I agree. Like 40 years ago, Brad Pitt. Like we're seeing some kind of time warp. His accent, I don't know. There's a lot of things about that show that just kind of bug you, but the story sucks you up such that you are able to look past it right away. Destiny is all that bugs me every time. And then I'm like, God, that's so fucking, oh, I love this show. I don't even get to the, this is so dumb. I can't even finish my insult before I'm sucked in.
Andrew	Yeah, I feel the same way. No, it's really good. I think it's a really enjoyable, I think it's a really enjoyable show. I'm into it.
Everett	I dig it. So the new season's out. It holds up against all the other seasons. I like the trajectory that they're taking all the characters on thus far. I'm pleased with it.
Andrew	Yeah, check it out. Good shit. What have you got? So, first a little bit of a caveat. That's unacceptable. Here we are, episode, what, 178-ish. And so there's some chance I've talked about this before because this has been something I've enjoyed for several years. But I dove back in this week.
Everett	Are we going to talk about not wearing underpants?
Andrew	So if you have not heard of the Murderbot Diaries, if you have not heard about it on this show, A, that's a victory for me. But if you have not otherwise heard of the Murderbot Diaries, I want you to, I want you, because you're listening to this show, so I know you like sci-fi and you probably read as well, because all of our listeners are smart, well-read science fiction fans. I'm sure of it. At least 90% of you.
Everett	Cause being a science fiction fan and being caught up on science fiction du jour makes you well read.
Andrew	Exactly. So Murderbot Diaries is a series by an author, Martha Wells. I think they're published by tor.com, which is one of these like kind of bleeding edge, uh, publishers. Uh, but this is, it's a series. It starts off the first, I read the novellas. So I think the first handful of books that came out, there was maybe four of them, were novellas. So pretty short. And actually, I would say at the time I read these all, they were painfully short. As in, it was so good that I wanted it to be more. And every time I finished one of these novellas, I was like, oh man, I want more. Subsequently, Martha Wells has expanded the series. So she's released two full length novels and for some reason, so I think the first one of those, uh, came out in gosh, 2020, the first of the full length, uh, books came out in 2020 and I just hadn't gotten back to it. Uh, and finally this week it was in my list and so I grabbed it and, uh, I've started reading it and it's instantly just back. So the premise of the story is Murderbot is a hybrid cyborg, mostly a computer, but with the genetic material. So some sort of, I don't know, whatever it's sci-fi. Okay. Uh, but flesh and blood, uh, but very clearly a hyper cynical, Asexual, unemotional, not unemotional, but, you know, like makes fun of human emotions and how slow humans think. And it's written in the first person perspective from Murderbot. And it is incredibly charming. Murderbot is a, you know, incredibly capable because it's this sick unit that's got a disabled regulator and so is able to do things that it shouldn't be able to do. And it's got like an incredible sense of morality.
Everett	Anyway. Agent Smith who likes to watch soap operas.
Andrew	That's right. It's also got a penchant for so very, very good writing. Martha Wells is a fantastic writer and these books are so good. So charming. Um, and yeah, like I said, I've just now gotten back into these after having read all of the novellas before, now reading Network Effect. I think I started it two nights ago and I'm 75% of the way through a not short book because I just can't put it down. So two hearings this morning, starting at 8.30, had to be in the office at 7, you know, or really like start working at 7, which means I kind of got to be up at like 5. And I read impulsively until like 1.30 last night.
Everett	Consequences.
Andrew	I know. Because this is so good. So Martha Wells, Murder Bot. Check it out. You know, I would do the thing where you like read about the series. You know, don't read plots or spoilers, but kind of read about the series, understand what's going on before you dive in. No, dive in. Go. Just get the very first novella and start.
Everett	Yeah. That's how books are supposed to be enjoyed. You don't read.
Andrew	Well, I guess the only reason I say that is because there may be Uh, different ways to come at it, but yeah, I would definitely start with the novellas. Really good stuff. And Andrew, that's all, all I've got.
Everett	Hang on.
Andrew	What am I holding for?
Everett	I'm holding for, well, there's 61 bucks to buy them all. Um, the first, the first three novellas, 27 bucks. You can buy it now with one click. That's dangerous.
Andrew	Like paperback or Kindle?
Everett	On Kindle. The first, All Systems Red, $5 on Kindle. Get All Systems Red. It's a free app. You already have Amazon. We know it. I haven't read this book. I'm going to not buy it right now.
Andrew	And I think Network Effect, the one I'm reading right now, is available via Amazon Unlimited. I think I'm reading it via Amazon Unlimited.
Everett	I don't think I understand Amazon Unlimited and I don't know if I have it or not. That being said, Andrew, what do you got to add? I'm all out of things.
Andrew	I love it. I love it. Hey, thank you guys. For joining us for this episode of 40 and 20 Watch Clicker podcast. Check us on Instagram at 40 and 20. Obviously, check out at Watch Clicker because that's where the primary, the majority of our good content comes through. Also, check out the website, right? That's where we post weekly articles, reviews, every episode of this podcast, but you already listened to that. Check out the website, WatchClicker.com. If you want to support WatchClicker, and I hope you do, you can do that at Patreon.com slash 40 and 20. And that's where we get all the money for hosting and microphones and software. And don't forget to tune back in next Thursday for another hour of watches, food, drinks, life, and other things we like.
Everett	Buh-bye. you