Episode 176 -SOTC Redux

Published on Wed, 09 Mar 2022 22:33:47 -0800

Synopsis

The podcast discusses the evolution of the hosts' watch collections since 2019. Andrew's collection has become more eclectic and focused on unique, interesting watches, while Everett's collection has become more refined and focused on a specific style of watch (sterile bezel, oyster bracelet sport watches). They also discuss their recent watch acquisitions and the reasons behind their purchases. Additionally, they touch on Everett's upcoming trip to Disneyland, the TV show "Joe vs. Carol," and Andrew's newfound appreciation for a particular drafting mechanical pencil.

Transcript

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Everett Hello fellow watch lovers, nerds, enthusiasts, or however you identify. You're listening to 40 in 20 of the Watch Clicker podcast with your host Andrew and my good friend Everett. Here we talk about watches, food, drinks, life, and other things we like.
Andrew Everett, how are you? I'm good. I'm a little full. I ate too much for dinner and I ate too much. That's how I feel. That's the overwhelming feeling I'm having right now. What did you eat? We made yum bowls, which if you're not from the Northwest, you don't know what And you're perhaps better for it. Yeah. No, it's one of my favorite things. It's a restaurant that Kay that started, I think when I was, uh, in college, so maybe 2002, three ish.
Everett They're in about that. Yeah. They're in their 20 ish years.
Andrew And it's like really the whole basis is this sauce. That's very good. They get served over rice and beans and, um, chicken and corn and whatever else you want. It's just a rice bowl and avocado. and avocado. It's a rice bowl with this sauce and the sauce is sort of the name of the game, but it is, uh, it's one for me. It's one of those burp triggers where I'll have yumble and then I burp.
Everett Oh, and you taste it. Yeah. For days. Yeah. Yeah. Uh, you know, I, I was never a big fan of it. And then they, um, I don't know, probably like 2010 ish. They rolled at least it seems like that's when I became aware of it. Maybe it was earlier. They unrolled a, uh, like a chipotle version of their sauce. Yeah. This, the red, there's their spicy version. And then I became amenable to it.
Andrew Yeah. I'm a fan, but we, we buy the sauce. It's kind of expensive. You go and it's like 11 bucks for a bowl. We can make, we can make young bowls at the house for like five bucks of ingredients. So we just make them and that's like five bucks for the family for everybody. Yeah, that's right. So Um, but yeah, the downside to that is I tend to eat too much, uh, which I did tonight. So now I've got yum burps.
Everett Yeah, but they're not yummy to be clear. Uh, so last night I made chicken schnitzel and roasted vegetables and then with the leftover schnitzel tonight made chicken Parmesan. I'm really pleased with that back to back performance.
Andrew Why chicken schnitzel and not a pork cutlet?
Everett The kids and Sam prefer chicken to
Andrew Dude, that's so lame. Do you fry it? Yeah. You like pan fry it?
Everett Yep. Breaded it. Mark did all the breading of all of them so some of them are a little bare, but you know we worked and he got it. And then I just threw them back in the oven for a while to re-crisp them up and it worked nicely.
Andrew I'm a big fan of schnitzel.
Everett Yeah, it's I mean it's just Breaded and fried chicken.
Andrew Yeah. Yeah. Uh, when I was in Portland, I worked downtown as food. If you've ever been downtown Portland, it's just food carts everywhere. Uh, metropolis of them. Yeah. And there was a schnitzel place. You had to get there early. They only took cash. Ooh. And if you got there, like past like 1205, they'd be out. Uh, but really good schnitzel. And it came like wrapped in paper. It was just like a cutlet. wrapped in paper.
Everett It's good. Nothing else. So they just gave you a slab of meat.
Andrew Yeah. Yeah. No, there was other stuff too. I can't remember. It was like served almost like, uh, like a dosa or something. Uh, like a really thin, super tender pork cutlet. Yeah. Really good.
Everett I did like roast vegetables and then dollop a sauerkraut. Yeah. Yeah. Uh, how are you? How are you Andrew? I'm good. You know, besides having a couple, bangin' dinners. We're right on the end of my weekend. So I'm, you know, lamenting having to go back to not hanging out at the house all day.
Andrew So this is your Sunday night or perhaps your Sunday morning?
Everett Kind of. I work in the morning. I work in the day tomorrow because I have to train. So this is my Sunday night. All right. Which is nice. I'll sleep like a normal person today and then work tomorrow and then get nap day on Thursday. Nap day is the best day.
Andrew Uh, you're wearing a, a NASA shirt. It's the worm logo, which I'm a fan of.
Everett I have, I love the worm logo shirt. Yeah. I got this shirt, uh, cause I, I realized that most of the, and I got it, I mean, about a year ago. Cause I realized that most of the t-shirts that I had were 10 or more years old. Uh, so I got a little batch of t-shirts and I was like, Oh, this shirt's cool. The worm logo, NASA, and then Everyone in my family insisted on getting some edition of the warm logo NASA shirt. I was like, trendsetter, what up? It's a good shirt, man. And as a serious aside, we're going to Disneyland for spring break. I have to say it a little quietly because the kids don't know. And we're just going to pile them in a car and drive to California. Right. But my wife is super into like the theme. She has Disney like Mickey Mouse, Disney clothes for the kids for every day. And she was like, look, I know you don't really get into this, but I'd like it if you got some Disney apparel. So you do what you need to do, but find some Disney apparel.
Andrew You're not, why don't you get Disney apparel while you're at Disneyland?
Everett It's more fun. It's also way more expensive, but she wants us to like, it's not that much. She wants us to go into the day Disney'd up.
Andrew So you have something for the first day and then you get some cool like Star Wars shit that you can't get anywhere else.
Everett Let me tell you what I did. I went to the Amazon and I got like deep track Disney stuff. I have like a shirt very much like this. It's a Stark Industry shirt. I got a Lausche Air Freight shirt. I got a, oh shoot, the Midtown High with a little like Midtown High Science Club shirt. And, oh, a Mos Eisley Cantina shirt. So, I want deep cuts on my Disney shirts.
Andrew Sure, sure. Yeah, I mean, there's an argument that that's kind of like... It's too deep. It's too deep, yeah. Perhaps. Yeah, you just look like an asshole instead of looking like a clever... I mean, I think you're fine. I'm sure they're all cool shirts. And there'll be shirts that you'll wear.
Everett There'll be shirts that I wear because they're kind of unassuming also. Not at Disneyland. Yeah, they're unassuming. I'm not going to wear Mickey Mouse I'm not going to be a Disney adult. Yeah. That's just not me. Yeah.
Andrew But I will be a Lausche Air Freight adult. I dig it. I dig it. Well, uh, so when's that happening? When are you guys going to be there?
Everett Uh, we leave on the 19th of, of April of March of March. Right around the corner, like a week and a half noise. Yeah. We rented a minivan. We're just going to pile down. Are you guys going by yourself?
Andrew Are you guys going with somebody else?
Everett Uh, her parents are flying down. I'm not entirely sure when she has family outside of LA that we're going to go see. It was just kind of part of the reason we rented a car. The other part of the reason was that it was prior to, uh, a major oil producer starting a war. So fuel prices were reasonable. Um, but it's still, even if it's expensive gas, it's like, 25% the cost of flying.
Andrew Are you guys stopping in like Reading or or the Bay Area?
Everett No, we're just gonna hammer Yeah, I drive for money basically. So so you can do it. Yeah, I can I can do it's what 20 hours. No, it's it's 16 I mean with traffic, it's what it'll probably be more but it's also, California So, you know the gap between here and north of LA is like 12 hours Sure, and then the Delta all happens in LA sure
Andrew Well, good. I'll be excited. I'll be excited for us to talk about how your Disney trip went.
Everett Um, I'll be excited to return home.
Andrew Yeah, no, it'll be fun. We're staying at the Disneyland hotel and it's going to be, are you guys staying at like on, on property, on property?
Everett That's great. Yeah. We, we, we spent the money. Yeah, that's great. That's a great idea. All of it. All of our money, all of our money is now tied up in Disneyland.
Andrew It was nightly rates there.
Everett Yes. 300, 400? I think for five days, six nights, it's like $6,000. With tickets and everything?
Andrew Yeah. Yeah, that's a lot. Yeah. But it's good.
Everett It's not good, but it's, you know, that's the price. You'll love it. It'll be fun. You buy memories and those memories will be worth it. Totally.
Andrew We are going to talk about watches because here we are nine minutes in. You know, I'm sorry. Hey, if you're one of those people that's like, I tune in to hear about watches and these assholes talk about their weekends in Disneyland for 10 minutes.
Everett You're listening to the wrong people. Yeah. You know what? Come have a beer with us. Hang out. This is what we do.
Andrew Uh, so we are talking about watches, weird episode tonight, different kind of episode. Uh, we're not going to talk. It was not going to be a deep dive. It's not going to be, uh, an interview. No, it's not going to be a, uh, a roundup. Well, maybe in a way.
Everett Yeah, maybe in a way. It's gonna maybe be a follow up. Maybe a part tray. So we in the latter parts of 2019. Does anybody remember that?
Andrew Does anybody remember 2019?
Everett It was a magical time.
Andrew It's almost, I mean, I almost feel like it doesn't exist. It doesn't anymore.
Everett That world's gone. But we did. each of us an episode on the state of our collections. And now to about half years later, we felt it was time to maybe follow up on that and not just talk about the two years of acquisitions, though we love getting new watches and new things because more is more and more is better. uh we also wanted to talk a little bit about our maybe perspective shifts and our goals as they pertain to watch collecting and accumulating maybe accumulating is better word for us because we're not real curators we're not really collectors we're just gatherers yeah so accumulation of watches we're hunter gatherers yeah so that's That's where we're at tonight. Tonight we are going to do just that. Update on the last couple years of acquisitions and kind of figure out the shifts that we've had in what's next and why. So buckle up. Cause this is, we're just free flowing right now. Strapping baby.
Andrew I kind of, I love this box that you brought. Uh, I brought a box of watches. It's and it's a wooden box. It's a box. It's from, I believe this box was made by my great-grandfather, probably in the 40s. To house what? Stuff. Tools, probably.
Everett There's no handle. It looks like a 1920s shoe box without its lid. Yeah. Yep. Okay. I love the box. It's really cool. It's really cool. So I think I will. What I'm going to do is I'm going to open up really quick with just a rehash of where the states of the collection were in 2019.
Andrew Tell us where we were at in 2019.
Everett So in 2019, turning on to 2020, my watch collection, Andrew, is sitting at the Mako, the SSB031, the Seiko Recraft, the SNK, the Bambino, a World Timer, Komendorski, F91W, Citizen avion timex iron man and a dw 5600 okay everett that's still how i think of your collection today i know even though it is not even close to your collection today that's still not when i picture your watch box those are the watches i picture well they still exist there because i don't i don't part with watches everett's state of the collection is looking at an easy reader a timex easy reader yes a timex easy reaser a hk ed 63 The Casio AMW320. The Bertucci A2T, B2T?
Andrew Yeah, it's the B. It's the one they don't make anymore.
Everett BT2. The titanium Bertucci. Dan Henry 1972. An SNK. Black dial. The one of a kind 5610.
Andrew Yes, the white cased 5610.
Everett A Boktok Amphibia. Hamilton Khaki Field Mechanical. The Emperor Diver, an SKX, Speedy, and a Saab.
Andrew Yeah, so those, I actually still feel like that's my collection today, even though it's not.
Everett Yeah, I honestly, when I think about watches that you have, the only one that stands out for me is the Hellcat.
Andrew Yeah, there's a few notable additions here that we'll get to Some very notable additions that we'll get to. It's interesting though, when I look at these watches, this list of watches, I feel very nostalgic. I remember what each of these watches meant to me. And some of these watches are still in very regular rotation. But I remember what each of them, even the ones that are not in rotation anymore, I remember what, why I had them and what that acquisition meant for me when I made it. Um, yeah, it's a, it's a really interesting, this is an interesting juxtaposition.
Everett Well, it's kind of a cool exercise to look back at, at the, the evolution of the watch box and the like, like not just, Oh yeah, I want to put that on today. Um, but, but to look back on the evolution and, and see the growth and the changes and the, uh, you, you can almost see your taste changing over time. Cause these aren't by any means chronological. Um, but I think if we were to put them chronologically, you'd see a really, a really clear trajectory. Yeah.
Andrew Well, why don't we do this? Why don't we go back to your list? We'll go back to your original, your state of the collection list from 2019. Okay. Uh, are there any watches here? So just to, just to rehash, Orient Mako, Seiko SSB031, the 40 and 20 chrono, uh, a Seiko Recraft, a Seiko SNK, Orient Bambino, Casio World Timer, Vostok Karmandirsky, Casio F91, Citizen Avion, your first watch, a Timex Ironman, and a 5600. Are there any of the watches from this list that you don't have today or that have been relegated so deep in the watch box that you may as well not have them?
Everett The SNK and the Komondorski. Okay. I don't know the last time I wore either of those watches. I almost wore the Komondorski the other day, but it was a day behind or a day ahead of the current date. And you didn't want to do the dance. I wasn't going to do it. And I was like, I'll wear it tomorrow. And then it just didn't happen. Um, And I don't have an answer for why. I love both of those watches. You couldn't buy either of those watches from me. I mean, with, there's a dollar amount, right? Everyone has a dollar amount. He said, I'll give you a thousand dollars for that watch. I'm like, yeah, you can have that watch for a thousand dollars, but I'm not going to sell that watch either because I love those watches.
Andrew Not for the amount somebody would buy them for.
Everett Certainly not.
Andrew Yeah.
Everett And I got a, I got the appropriate bezel for the, uh, Commodoreski. I got like a rally timer bezel. It's dope on it.
Andrew Yeah, much better than the OG. Oh, the OG is trash. But yeah, but Timex Ironman?
Everett The battery died. I used to wear it for work a lot and then the battery died and the 5600 battery is not dead. So yeah, there's no sense in changing that battery. And what about the Orion Bambino? The Bambino still hits the wrist. I wear that to court regularly. Yeah. Seiko Recraft? I put it on a mesh on kind of the uh the q timex style mesh sure great on it even with the hooded lugs the the the lug width is appropriate for a bracelet that still gets an occasional wear uh any well so so that's actually most of the watches that you had you've not gotten rid of any of them nope i don't i don't sell watches yeah i buy them for a reason i will keep them forever uh okay i'll go through mine real quick
Andrew easy reader, the HK head 1963, the, the sort of, uh, Chinese air force watch, uh, Casio, AMW three 20 titanium Bertucci, Dan Henry, 1972 Seiko SNK, my 56, 10 mod Vostok, amphibia, Hamilton, khaki field, mechanical, emperor diver, SKX and speed master. So, and I'm sorry, And sorry, but yeah, it's over on the side. I'm sorry. I had another lane. So of these, um, the Timex easy reader, uh, the movement finally gave up the ghost. So it's no longer working.
Everett Oh no.
Andrew Is it a battery or the movement? Uh, it's the movement. I changed the battery. There's something funky with the movement. It's just old. It's just an old shitty movement. I could probably change it, but I won't because it's just a shit.
Everett Cause you can buy the watch for the cost of the movement.
Andrew And I wasn't, and it's not like I was wearing it. Um, The Bertucci, the titanium Bertucci, I've since gotten rid of this. I don't even know what I've done with it, but I don't have it. It's lost somewhere. The Dan Henry 1972. I sold the Dan Henry 1972. I'm going to come back to that. My SNK, I have modded this at this point beyond recognition.
Everett It's not an SNK anymore.
Andrew I did not bring it. I do still have it. It's got a Firefly dial, a full loom Firefly dial that I hand painted. It's a really cool watch. I don't get it. It doesn't get a lot of risk. No, because it's kind of, uh, it's, it's a bit of a novelty at this point. Um, still have the 56 10 obviously gets a lot of risk time. The Vostok still gets a ton of risk time. The khaki still gets a ton of risk time. The emperor, the emperor diver, that's the other one I wanted to talk about because I don't wear that one quite as much. And there's a good reason for that. Um, well, there's a couple of reasons for it. I still have it. I suspect I'll keep that, although it's certainly approaching the block, as are quite a few of the watches that I own right now. I'm finally, I think, at the point where I'm ready to consolidate. But yeah, there are no themes to the watches that I've gotten rid of or that I've really relegated. Of these watches, I still wear pretty much all of them, you know. I obviously don't wear that Dan Henry, um, don't really wear the emperor. The, the Dan Henry was a great learning experience for me. And I think that's the first sort of thing I learned about watch collecting that I can talk about. I realized I bought that watch because it's a fairly faithful homage to the classic Porsche Orfina. Aviator watch, right? It's beautiful. It's well-made like all Dan Henry's.
Everett Surprisingly so for their price.
Andrew It's an, it's got an alarm. It's an alarm chronograph, which is such a cool, which is such a cool complication. Um, I really liked that watch. I really enjoyed wearing it. I enjoyed looking at it, but, but, but I realized pretty early on. that it was not the watch I wanted.
Everett It's just an adequate analog?
Andrew It is an adequate analog. So cool in its own regard, but it was never going to do what I wanted it to do, which is be the Porsche Orfina. Probably better in many regards. I bet construction is very, very comparable, if not better than certainly an OG Orfina. They've just reissued that. watch. Yeah, that makes it problematic. That's another story. Um, you know, it just wasn't ever going to be the watch. I wanted it to be and I had it. It was still in pretty good shape. The demand for it was decent. I was able to get a pretty good return. I didn't, didn't make money. I lost money certainly cause I bought it new from the website and sold it used not from the website when it was still available new on the website. Um, but it was a good lesson.
Everett I didn't feel bad about it. And you wore the shit out of that watch.
Andrew Yeah. Yes, wore it regularly. And some days I wish I still had it. Because I'm not going to buy a Porsche or a Fiat. Not right now. So it taught what I learned from that. It's the only, so it's the only watch that I've sold in, you know, really, what, four years now of pretty serious watch acquisition. Five or six years, I guess, really. Um, it's the only watch that I've really sold. I've sold a couple others, but it was the one that I was like, I need to sell this watch. This is not going to ever be the watch for me. It was when I realized I'm not going to be able to watch watch wear. And it was important. It was important. I had the watch. I enjoyed the watch. It didn't make me feel bad. I don't feel bad, but I did realize that's not the watch that's going to bring me joy. All the rest of these, I got shitty watches. I've got good watches.
Everett But you bought the 72, I mean, the 72 is an homage. Very much. You bought it as an homage. Yes, very much. As an analog. Yes. Is that the issue that, I mean, that sounds like that's the issue you took with it, is it was a placeholder that didn't stand up. Yeah, that's right.
Andrew Yeah. And, you know, I'm looking at my box here. I think it's really the only thing that I've ever bought Boughten? Boughten? Yeah, boughten's the word. It's the only thing I've ever really bought that's like that.
Everett I've got a couple of other things that are kind of, I don't know, 63 is kind of like that. Yeah, except that that is, it is the watch.
Andrew That's how the 63 is. It is the watch that it's almost. So yeah, you know, it's, it is what it is. It is what it is. Anything, do you have any thoughts when you look at your original list? You have any thoughts about that? Any instant takeaways? Before we move on.
Everett I look through it as... It's interesting to see the 2019 list against the 2022 list. The 2019 list is very much the wide net of what am I going to like? I'm going to try these things. It's the the kind of quintessential starters. It's a couple samples outside of that. And the 2022 list is very clearly like, I know what I want. I know what I like. And that's what I got.
Unknown Yeah.
Everett Yeah. Right. And the dollars, that's, that's the other one. My emotional, uh, tolerance for expenditure. Increased dramatically Well, yeah, let's let's see here let me take a look because I think I mean in a single purchase I Met everything that I'd spent.
Andrew I was just I was just doing that math Yeah, I'm sure that that's the case.
Everett It's definitely in a couple single purchases. I've totally matched that.
Andrew Well, let's do this. Let's go back now, let's go back and Let's let's talk about what you've added since that late 2019 state of the collection?
Everett Yeah. So in the 2019 state of the collection, in your part due, I amended mine and said that I had just purchased a 5600. I didn't have it yet. So that's still, I have that, I have the 5600 in the 2019 list since the state of the collection. Forgot to tag what episode numbers they were, but it was 2019, like November-ish. Certainly November-ish, because we said Happy Thanksgiving in one of them. Since then, I've added a Q-Timex, which I love, and is in studio tonight, despite its ratcheting noise, a Manta Atlas, a Christopher Ward C63, an EMG NEMO, a Seiko SARB, a Casio calculator, because of America, a Seiko Alpinist, and just recently, a Traska commuter.
Andrew Recently, like... Like in the last three days that you've received it.
Everett Yeah, I got it in the last week. And I can't take it off, I love it. That's my two and a half years of acquisitions. And everyone made fun of me in 2020, because I went hot. Or no, 2021, I went hot, because 2020, I stayed slow. But 2021, I went like three in three months.
Andrew Yeah. Well, so let's talk about that, because Um, you've got, you added an EMG NEMO. I also added an EMG NEMO. So the, I, we can come back to that. You added a Qtimex, which is its own thing, but every other watch you've added short, the one-off Casio calculator watch, which is because we all in the watch clicker fam bought different colors of them. That's right. You're, you've got some consistency here.
Everett Yeah, I went I went one direction. I went hard with it, and I think that's direction I will continue to go. Yeah, I I solidified. For me, the watches that I like. Almost universally. And found watches. In that ilk. That appealed to me, then I've talked about this before on air when we saw the press read ahead when the C63 line came out, I saw the, just the automatic, just the, the, the three hander. I was like, I'm going to buy that fucking watch. I love that watch. And I stand by it. And then you bought it. And then I bought it like the day it became available. I bought it because I love this watch. The fonts are great. The case is great. It would never part with that watch. and I feel the same way about the Monta Atlas. I think the Saab is still probably the best watch ever produced available at under $500. It is like these flavors of Grand Seiko finishing with the super unique stepped case flavors. I'm not saying it's Grand Seiko finishing. He's he's coming.
Andrew He's responding to my my eye roll.
Everett Yeah, it's flavors. It has these infusions of these things of much higher quality and much more expensive watches that you just did not and will not ever see again under five hundred dollars. Sure. I know what you're saying. And. The Atlas is just this beautiful like just simple case with this cool GMT hand. The finishing is out of this world. And then I have really wanted a 36 and Traska provided that in a great 36 millimeter case. For the record, you paid for it. Retail. Yeah, provided they designed that and they produce that. But without a textured dial. And I find that there's so many 36 millimeter watches that bring a textured dial to the game. And that's not what I wanted. Laurier. I want, yeah, I mean the, the, the real competitor at this price point is Laurier. Um, I like boring watches that get the details right.
Andrew And then the Q-Tibex. Because they don't clash with your boring face.
Everett No, no, they make, they make me appear just as boring as I am. You know, the Q Timex is super cool. I wanted to get a Q Timex because it's just this dope reissue that's attractive.
Andrew It's sort of emblematic of the zeitgeist, you know. Yeah. I don't know. It's probably an exaggeration to call this a zeitgeist in any regard. But in terms of the enthusiast watch world, maybe even beyond the enthusiast watch or maybe just watches in general, it's emblematic of a thing that has happened or is happening, perhaps.
Everett And then the Nemo is on standby as my favorite micro brand watch ever.
Andrew Yeah, it's phenomenal. It's definitely up there for me as well. Yeah. Yeah. So, OK, so we've got some pretty clear themes. You know, we have narrowed it down that you like the sterile bezel. oyster bracelet sport watch? Yeah, that's what I like.
Everett You've got the Alpinist, which I think is... Oh yeah, and I forgot about the Alpinist, which is the reason I didn't mention it is because it's in the mail right now to go to Will for some photos. Yeah. But also the Seiko Alpinist, which is another really iconic... It's my flashy watch. That's right. Because it has... an internal rotating bezel and an additional crown.
Andrew Now as between these, so we've got 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8. 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8. Okay, so as between those and the roughly 10 that you had in your 2019 state of the collection What would you say the proportion of your daily wear is today?
Everett Well, today I wear only the commuter. But between the two groups, in the last six months, if I had to guess, I would say... I'd say 75% last two-year acquisition versus 2019, like pre-2019 acquisition.
Andrew Have you, so, so looking at these two groups, are there any takeaways? What have you learned about yourself?
Everett I think the, the, this exercise of looking at it and parsing it out into, into such deliberate timelines is seeing the, how each watch acquisition and wearing each watch refined what I wanted. Not my taste, but what I wanted out of a watch, what I liked. The things that I was looking for and how each subsequent purchase. Kind of got closer and closer to that.
Andrew Well, I think it's interesting. Uh, definitely, you know, you're buying more expensive watches. I'm going to, I'm going to highlight that. because I think it's important. I think, maybe not important, I'll think it's a fun juxtaposition because I'm about to talk about the watches I've acquired. Slightly different trajectories here. Whereas you've really refined your tastes and kind of bought what you know you like, spent slightly more money because you're more confident in your purchases. I've done a little bit of the opposite.
Everett Yeah, you've kind of, you've kept throwing it at the wall, it seems.
Andrew So I've got, I've got basically all my watches here. All my core collection I brought with me tonight. And it's, it's 16 watches. Um, already talked about, you know, the few that I don't have here, but I've got two rows. I've got still the G-Shock, the white case 5610, my Hamilton Khaki, Saab Speedy, SKX, Ed 63, AMW320 and the Vostok. I still wear those regularly. Like, I would say, in fact, as between the bottom and the top row, which I'm about to talk about, I wear the bottom row more than the watches I bought more recently. So let's, let's talk quickly about what I've added. So everybody knows I bought my, not grow watch. It's not a grow watch, but I bought my most coveted piece. It's been a while back now. I've got my titanium MRG JDM 1996 Casio. Trainwreck on titanium. Trainwreck that everybody hates and everybody loves. I got a Pulsar, a Pulsar G10 British military issued field watch.
Everett Which for a while was maybe a top three wearer.
Andrew Yeah, I still wear this pretty frequently. It's tiny, it's diminutive. It's very similar in many, many respects to the Hamilton. Um, it feels the same. It kind of looks the same. I wear it the same, very different watches, but they do a really similar, very real overlap there. Yeah, that's, that's right. Um, uh, I've got, uh, my most recent acquisition, I think, maybe not. Uh, but I got the solevs layers watch that I think that is, you've got that.
Everett Wind up, right? Got that on wind up in October in New York. I think it's the last watch you bought.
Andrew I've got it on like this white plastic rally strap. It looks really good. It looks really good on that. I've got the Hellcat you mentioned earlier. I've got the Orion Hellcat. I've got my Nemo also with you. I think that that's probably one of my favorite micro-grid watches ever released. I've got the Notice Sector Skin Diver. Black dial. I've got the very, very weird white label Seiko, aka Divex tuna case dive watch, which I wear the shit out of and I love. Very cheap watch.
Everett Yeah. If you, if you have a broker in London.
Andrew Right. That's right. And I've got my, my at a 7750, uh, Victorinox chronograph, which also loved the FA 18. Uh, so I like all these watches, but I would say if there's a theme, it's random. There is no theme. There is no theme. It's the opposite of a theme. I have, whereas you've refined your tastes.
Everett I know exactly what I want. And I'll tell you the next three watches I'm buying at the end of this.
Andrew Where you've refined your tastes. I think I've gotten more weird. Like that's the theme here is weird. And not all of these are weird. The Hellcat, not weird.
Everett We have a watch clicker text thread, and we routinely text, this is an Everett watch. And they're just like, they're not ugly watches. They're just weird watches. And we're like, hey, this is an Everett watch. And Everett's like, yep, that's an Everett watch. That tracks. I like that.
Andrew So that's what I've learned about myself. I don't necessarily want anything I don't want anything. I don't want small. I don't want big. I don't want a certain level of, a certain degree of finishing. I just want watches. I don't want, um, quality movements. I mean, I do want all those things. I want all of those things, but I don't just want those things. You want the X factor. I want interesting. That's what I want. This Divex, this I think is perhaps the most sort of um indicative watch because it was it's weird it's cheap it's not particularly nice um the finishing is remarkably good the size and form factor it's extremely wearable uh it's attractive it's not unattractive it's kind of bizarre i think it's a 66 click bezel um yeah it it's uh It's just weird. It's a fucking weird watch. And I love it. It's got that ugly cartoon diver shout out to cheat Pete, Pete chilling with watches who actually got me onto these things. I know how dinky did an article, but Pete was really the one who was like, you guys got to check these things out. And I made, yeah, it's got one of those vanilla, uh, Bonetto Centurini straps on it. So yeah, weird man, give me weird, but you know,
Everett What's weird about it is that it's eclectic. Eclectic. There's nothing inherently weird about this watch. This is a shrouded, no bullshit, pro-spec dive watch. That's not weird. It's weird that it has a little cartoon diver on it, but so does the Boktok. Yeah.
Andrew That's weird. You know, Divex is sort of Divex is... It doesn't make this watch, first of all. It's just white label with a Divex logo on it. Yeah. But Divex is like this kind of Gucci... Dive Supply. Dive Supply, commercial Dive Supply brand. These are actually commercial suppliers. So it's got a little bit of like... It's got a little bit of like Bonafides to it. It's like in the Pro Trek. Yeah. I mean, it's so, it's so weird, but also interesting. So I wore this watch. It's to watch time in New York. It wears so well too. And people would ask me about it. Like, what the fuck is that? And I'd take it off and hand it to them. Um, you know, it's one of those weird things, right? It's like, it doesn't make any damn sense, but here it is. And it's awesome. And I love it. But it makes shit out of all the sense. It makes all the sense without making any sense at all. So if I've learned anything about myself, it's that my joy of this hobby is going to come from unique, sort of eclectic, enigmatic watches that have their own thing going on. That's the only, that's the other thing that's true of all these watches. All of these watches, I feel in some respect, represent their own thing, maybe with the exception of the 7750.
Everett No, the 7750 absolutely has that own thing going on. It's a 7750 movement plunked in this kind of defunct brand that now doesn't do what they used to do with this iconic movement that is revolutionary. I mean, like, that in and of itself, that enigma that exists in that watch, you like the story of the watch, not just what it makes, what it does for you. Like you, you internalize the story of what brought that watch into existence, what that watch means. And that in turn, like that, that search for and discovery of that watch just meets to create a bond.
Unknown Yeah.
Everett I don't give a fuck about the watch story. I just want to like it.
Andrew Right. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it's really polar opposites in terms of how we approach watches. I think that those are the two, almost the two extremes to the hobby, at least in our segment. When I talk about the affordable segment. I mean, we've sort of, both of us have now significantly stepped out of what I would call true affordables. And I know both of us are considering in the near future, maybe not very near, but relatively near future, stepping even further, probably outside of that. And we live entirely out of that. And so, and that's okay. That's not a problem.
Everett It just is. I think that's just a natural trajectory.
Andrew But amongst those two trajectories, I think our tastes and our impulses represent almost the opposite sides of where you might go. Because in the middle somewhere, there's the person who just like, I'm going to buy the most expensive watches I can get. I don't think either one of us are doing that. Oh, certainly not. And that's partially by our very nature, but also partially just because that's not what we do. Let me ask you a question. Yeah. Because this is the thing, when I looked at my collection, and I was thinking, well, what does this mean? What do my last two years of collecting say about me? And the only real takeaway, besides sort of, I kind of know what I want, which is... All. All. The only other thing I could really draw from this, and this is maybe a little sad because I realized the idea popped into my head and I was like, oh yeah, that's very true. And it made me a little sad. The idea of the hunt is almost entirely done. I do not have that impulse at all anymore. Our earliest episodes, the poor man's episodes, those were very organic, right? Those were born, those episodes were born from our own searches. We'd be looking for something. We'd find these watches and we'd think, let's make a show about this. And it was really natural. I don't do that thing anymore.
Everett No, you do do that thing. Tell me. You do it in a really different way. So I'm going to liken it to whitetail deer hunting. Right. That's a year round pursuit for a single animal. Whitetail hunters spend their entire year putting out food plots, setting up trail cameras, clearing shooting lanes, putting in water tanks, and then come summer they start watching their cameras and they find a deer. They're like, I think that's the one. Then come August, they find a different deer and that's the one. And then they spend the entire hunting season tracking that deer against their photos of that deer and against their personal activities to chance an encounter with that deer. The hunt for you still exists. You're just so inundated by watch media. Like we, we know more, we're better connected. We're better informed than we were when we started, which was, you know, in part the goal, right? When we started the hunt was like, there's something out here, out there for me. When we started, you would just like park and a little pull out like, this looks deary. And you'd fucking wander and drive and pound. You were elk hunting for deer. But now you're whitetail hunting. You're inundated with information and with watches and with stuff. And you're filtering out, carefully filtering out the things that you give a shit about. and the things that you don't. This beer makes me super burpy. Yeah, you're burpy. The Sunray Juicy IPA by Ecliptic. Real burper. This is a real burper. But that's it. I think you're losing sight of the hunt that's occurring every day. Sure. Because this is what we do. We do it, I mean, not for a living. We don't make money doing this. But we practically, we've spent hundreds and hundreds of hours. Hundreds of hours every year, for sure. Going over all this stuff. You're just inundated by it. And I think you're maybe losing sight of the hunt that's always and actively occurring.
Andrew Yeah. Yeah, no, I think you're right. I also think that there's less desire to buy watches than I had at one point. And that's not because... Oh, weird.
Everett I would say that you're... watch acquisition has never slowed. That was one thing that I took from this list is, is the, the, uh, difference in acquisition amounts.
Andrew Yeah. Well, it's maybe less desire. I don't, I don't as often get that itch like, Ooh, I need to buy this. I am much more comfortable looking at a beautiful watch and being totally fine with it. That's a beautiful watch. I think that's amazing. I'm not going to buy it because I don't buy watches anymore, but yeah, it's beautiful and I love it. And of course I do buy watches as evidenced by, um, this evolving state of the collection. However, um, there, there is a thing happening and maybe you're right.
Everett I need to, I need to tell, you're always living in the hunt. You're not, you're not how you're just always in a, in a swimming pool of, you're just in a more target rich environment.
Andrew Yeah. You know, I, I will say I have more eBay alerts for watches that if I ever find a smoking deal on I'll trigger. So maybe it's just different. Maybe it's just more refined and more patient. Yeah. The hunt has been narrowed down and it's a bit more patient.
Everett You're, you're waiting for that thing to come to you. Yes. And you're not, you're not just pounding the mountains looking for it. Yeah. Yeah, that's right. I mean, I had a similar, I've had a similar experience and I think I'm comfortable with that. And I think the last several years have, have made me more comfortable with that in the, in the way of acquisitions and becoming more aware of what I like, what I want, and maybe more importantly, what I don't like and what I don't want. Um, and you know, going to, Going to Red Bar last year was perhaps one of the worst things that ever happened to me. Tell me more. Because getting to try on some of these watches, I'm like, oh, fuck. I need that. I need that. That's like, you know, the my my next acquisition is going to be a Santos. Yeah. Because of Red Bar. I always really liked them. I thought they were really beautiful. I'd be totally comfortable seeing them. And then I put one on. And I was like, well, fuck off.
Andrew As Evan, you're terrific.
Everett Santos put it on my wrist and I. I was like, I wonder how fast he is. He looks quick. He looks he looks fast enough that that I would have stood a chance, but I didn't have the keys.
Andrew Also, he's that like really like calm demeanor dude, who is probably a jujitsu black belt. Yes, he also what I do know is that he like, I think in Tibet studied with Buddhist monks. And so he probably has some like, super secret martial arts skills. So he would just kill you instantly.
Everett It would make me poop my pants and that would be worse.
Andrew Very nice voice.
Everett Yeah. Like why are you running away? Oh man. Uh, but yeah, I put it on and I was like, Oh no. Yeah. So my first, like, I mean I have, I have a Manta, right? Which is a luxury watch, $2,000 watch. But for some reason, and like when I bought it, I was like, no, it's just $2,000. Uh, but yeah, that's my next, acquisition is because I put it on and I realized that number one, it's a, a void in my watch collection. It doesn't overlap with anything, but more importantly, I want it very badly and I would never part with it because I love it. I would have, if, if I wouldn't have caused certain divorce, I would have bought it right there on the spot.
Andrew Well, so, okay, you, you want a what? $5,000, $6,000 or $6,200. You want a $6,000 watch. Yeah. And I think you could sell everything in your collection and not buy it. Yep. And I won't. Okay. So that was going to be my question. Is there anything that you have that you would sell to get you there?
Everett No, everything that I have, I have for a reason. It's a story. It's, it's, uh, it's everything I have has this sentimental, like, where was I story to it? The, the Avion I haven't worn in probably two years, but it sits in my window charging because it's an eco drive. So I keep it in a window charging. It's probably developing some actual patina so that should I decide to wear it?
Andrew I can wear it. So I'm looking at my box right now. I wouldn't sell either the G-Shocks. I wouldn't sell the SKX. I wouldn't sell the Sarp or the Speedy. I would sell the Sarp. I'd sell every other thing. Every other watch in here I could get rid of today. In fact, if you're listening and you want to buy any of the watches that I've talked about, besides those four I just mentioned, the G-Shocks, you just message me. We'll work it out. I would sell all of these because I know what I'm going to buy next. I'm willing to sell all of these in order to buy that.
Everett Nope, not for me. All of these are that the value of them to where I was. Not just where I was in watch collecting, but where I was like who I was when I got that watch matters to me. Mm hmm. I lament when I have to throw away a pair of shoes because I've worn them out. Because that's like I bought that pair of shoes for a reason at a place in my life and have worn them into oblivion?
Andrew No. I would also sell any of my shoes. No, I don't buy things. And my underwear and my socks. I will sell underwear.
Everett And these sweatpants. If you are interested in purchasing underwear, I have many pairs that I'm ready to part with.
Andrew Yeah, but you already sell those. Yeah. Okay. Andrew, state of the collection. Final thought, anything?
Everett I don't know. I don't know if there's a point to this. I think it's just an interesting... There is no point to any of this. It's a retrospective kind of... I don't know.
Andrew Think on it.
Everett Other things. What you got? I have a television show again. TV? But this is one that I like and I'm not lamenting. Joe versus Carol. Ooh. I don't know anything about this. It is. And I expected it to be kind of a, uh, I know what you did last summer. Spoofy, uh, comedy based off of the Chronicles of Joe Exotic and Carol Baskin. It is not that. It is funny, but kind of like dramedy.
Andrew Sure. Sure. I do know what you're talking about, by the way.
Everett Of the story of Joe Exotic and Carole Baskin. And it is good. I am shocked by how much I like it. Number one, John Cameron Mitchell. You've never heard of him, and if you have, bravo, because he's never been in anything you'd ever recognize. And his IMDb credits make you wonder why he seems familiar. And he seems familiar because he is Joe Dirt. And maybe, maybe Joe Exotic is Joe Dirt. Maybe that's a better explanation. But you'd think he's David Spade. He sounds like him, moves like him. It's not David Spade. He plays Joe Exotic, if I didn't explain that. Kate McKinnon as Carole Baskin. Kate McKinnon is a phenomenal comedian. American treasure. Her ability to translate that into this wildly eccentric, like deeply tragic woman that is Carole Baskin is so good. Because it's funny and sad all at once. It's on Netflix. Watch it. You will not regret it because everyone watched Tiger King at the beginning of the pandemic. Everyone tried Tiger King 2. Don't bother trying again. It's not good. Just watch Joe vs. Carol because it is, it's hitting it. It's scratching the itch that has been left since Joe Exotic ended. And his re-sentencing was not great.
Andrew Right. Didn't go super well for him.
Everett Why would you even... What I don't understand is why at a re-sentencing you could come to the conclusion that a reduction in sentence was reasonable, but that the reduction in sentence was just one year.
Unknown Right.
Everett You know. I mean, we went to the effort, we might as well do something, but... A year is a year.
Andrew And there may be some sort of probationary guidelines that makes it more meaningful or something.
Everett A year is a year but a one-year reduction in sentence seemed really insulting and I thought it was very funny because I'm not the one in prison for, you know, 20 years.
Andrew So I've got another thing. Do me. I'm going to do another since we're doing a retrospective. I'm going to do a redux on a prior other thing. So I talked, I don't know when, a long time ago. I would say maybe two and a half years ago. I talked about my favorite mechanical pencil, which is the Pentel Sharp, in particular the P205, but also the P207 if you're needing a little bit more stability, and even a P209 if you're feeling dirty.
Everett Like I'm thick.
Andrew I've talked about that mechanical pencil. It is still, today, my daily driver. I use that mechanical pencil all day, every day, for just about everything I do at work. I'm a pencil guy. for all sorts of reasons. I use a Pentel Sharp P205.
Everett It's because the spelling is poor and someone can erase it and fix it.
Andrew That's right. I got a Christmas present of two pencils that are very much in the same world as the Pentel Sharp. These are the Pentel Graph Gear 500s. I got two of them. And I want to say the barrel on this thing is either exactly or very similar, uh, exactly the same as, or very similar to the Pentel sharp barrel. But if you've ever seen one of these things, this has got a much more substantial drafting like steel, uh, grip. So it's one piece grip from about 75% of the way down the barrel. Everything's steel. It's got fantastic machining, neural marks. It just feels like a drafter's pencil. It is a drafting pencil is what it is. They're cheap. And I think I'm not quite there yet, but I'm almost a convert.
Everett I mean, they're approximately twice the price of the P205s.
Andrew That's right. P205 is like five or six bucks. These are like 11, 12 bucks.
Everett So $487 for the P205. Okay. $750 for the Graph Gear 500.
Andrew Okay. Well, there you go. It is still a sub $10 pencil. And I think that the overall construction is a little bit better, at least in the barrel section. This is such a stupid thing, but I got these as a Christmas present because someone was like, I know you like these Pentel pencils. I thought these were cool, and so I bought a couple. I've seen this pencil 400 billion times, and I've passed on it because I'm a P205 man.
Everett Not anymore. I might not be anymore. Just the grip alone has converted me.
Andrew Yeah. You know, the P205 has a plastic grip. It can be a little slippery. It's never a problem for me.
Everett If your fingers get sweaty when you're drafting. Right.
Unknown Gosh, I just love this stupid pencil.
Everett The comfort of holding steel versus plastic is, I mean, you can, You can monetize that and it's $3.
Andrew And you know I've had road trunk pencils. I've had nice mechanical pencils. I always go back to the P205 but I think that this may be the one that gets me to make an upgrade all these years later. I mean literally at this point like 25 years later.
Everett This is your last pencil huh?
Andrew Hard to say. Hard to say. But this is my other thing for the week because I've been using these now for three or four months and Um, I lost one today briefly because I found it, but I was like, you know what? I really want to have one at home and one at work. I'm going to need to order a couple more. Yeah. And I found it.
Everett I didn't have it at home. You need like five at home. Otherwise you don't have any at home.
Andrew Well, this is the home one and this is not the one I lost. It was the work one I lost briefly. Um, but yeah, I, it was that feeling. I was like, Ooh, do you keep things stashed at home?
Everett I need to order another one. Like your pencils and pens that you like stashed?
Andrew Yes. Okay. Yes. Yeah. Because all my shit's expensive, right? So if I don't hide it, right, so I've got like, like Copic markers and my kids know they are not allowed. I mean, those are like six bucks a piece and they would just like, like blast through a notepad with Copic markers, you know, like, or they would drive the tip into the body. That's right. That's right. You were, they're not allowed to touch the Copics. They're not allowed to touch any of the fineliners. They just know, right? And, and if they really want to try them, we could figure that out. But like, this isn't, you can have one. These aren't, these aren't for you unless we're together. And I say, you can use these for a specific tax. So I do stash things, uh, because there are analogs that they can use that'll work for the way.
Everett No, I asked that because I do the same thing. I have like a, like a daddy box of like my pens, my pencils, my things that I use and nobody else uses because when people use my shit, it gets broken, lost, thrown away. Yeah.
Andrew Yeah. So that's it. That's all I have. That's all I have. That's all I have to talk about in terms of watches. All I have to talk about in terms of other things. Anything else you want to add before we hang these up for the evening?
Everett We're out of things.
Andrew We're out of things, man. Buy what you like. As always, buy what you like. Yeah. Even if it's a fucking weird-ass Japanese JDM. Ugly titanium G-Shock. Buy the thing you like. Well, hey you guys. Once again, thanks for joining us for this episode of 40 in 20 the WatchClicker podcast. Why don't you check us out on Instagram at 40 in 20 at WatchClicker. Also check out the website every week. new articles, new reviews, and every single episode of this podcast. If you want to support what we're doing here on this show or at the website, you can do that at patreon.com slash 40 and 20. Look guys, that's where we get all of the money we have for hosting software, hardware, et cetera. And we really appreciate all your support. And don't forget to tune back in next Thursday for another hour of watches, food, drinks, life, and other things we like. Bye bye.