Episode 175 - Watches Roundup

Published on Thu, 03 Mar 2022 06:42:22 -0800

Synopsis

Andrew and Everett engage in a freewheeling discussion about the latest watch releases and announcements, including the new Nodus Avalon Diver v2 with its innovative micro-adjust clasp, a Rolex-themed Rubik's Cube G-Shock, the quirky and retro Gerard Perregaux Casquette 2.0, and a roundup of other interesting watches from brands like Tissot, Marin Instruments, Straton, and Orion. They also touch upon the issue of counterfeit Rolex warranty cards and MSRP increases. In addition, they discuss their recommendations for the TV shows "Vikings Valhalla" and "All of Us Are Dead" and reminisce about retro toys like Rubik's Cubes.

Transcript

Speaker
Andrew Hello, fellow watch lovers, nerds, enthusiasts, or however you identify. You're listening to 40 and 20 The Watch Clicker podcast with your host, Andrew. I'm a good friend, Everett. Here, we talk about watches, food, drinks, life, and other things we like. Everett, how are you?
Everett Yeah, I'm doing well. Kind of a long day, kind of a long week. I got just some stuff going on. It's Tuesday. It's Tuesday. Yeah. There is any number of opportunity to continue to work this week, which is a good thing, obviously. It's a good problem to have. Yeah. Yeah. Um, yeah, no, I'm doing, I'm doing well. I'm a little tired, honestly, like all day I've been tired. I, the kids had piano tonight, the piano, the piano studios right by a like little food court. Yeah. And so I went and had a couple of beers. at like 530 and your day's toast. Yeah. So now I've got like that cocktail hour, you know, uh, sluggishness.
Andrew That's right. That's the problem with beer at five. If you stop your toast, like you gotta, you gotta charge through the night, just, just keeping it rolling. Otherwise you just go down.
Everett Yeah. So that was, uh, uh, that was my, my afternoon boost. It was nice. I started Tron with the kids. We didn't watch all of it because we got home a little too late.
Andrew OG or the new one?
Everett The 1982 version. Started that with the kids and they're kind of making fun of it, but you could tell they were kind of into the storyline as well. They're kind of making fun of the, like the art, the digital art. And it's really kind of shocking how rudimentary it is.
Andrew That was state-of-the-art, cutting-edge, mind-blowing stuff.
Everett That's what I was kind of telling them. I was like, this was the first thing like it. It was revolutionary. It was really, really cool. You could tell that they were really quickly into the story too. This idea that you would go into the computer was just really natural to them, but not in a like, oh, that's passe way. Like, oh, okay, he's in the computer now.
Andrew Yeah, that tracks. Because I mean, think of all the media they consume where that's just a part of the storyline. It's not innovative anymore. It was then. It's not anymore. I mean, there's an entire cartoon called Wreck-It Ralph where things are going in and out of other games. That's right.
Everett Yeah. Uh, you know, it's, it's interesting because they didn't take for, they, they take it for granted that there's this underlying network, right? So you've got like the master computer or whatever, I can't remember what it's called. Um, and they take it for granted that all the computers and programs are able to kind of like talk to each other, right? Uh, whereas in 1982, that was actually really kind of, uh, Al Gore hadn't invented the internet yet. That was revolutionary. He was just working on it at that time or whatever.
Andrew Well, he'd invented it. He just hadn't figured out a way to make it a thing yet.
Everett Yeah. So, you know, uh, it's interesting, uh, the different experience they had versus I had, uh, you know, many, many moons ago.
Andrew I think once you finish that, you should try the new one and it's not new anymore.
Everett It's probably 15 years old, but yeah, I don't think it's quite that old, but yeah, that was the plan. We'd watch this one and then catch up and watch the new one.
Andrew I still can't get Mark down with like eighties movies, couple of nineties movies he's okay with. He just, they're a big miss for him.
Everett Yeah, no, we're fully committed. We've got full buy-in from the kids at this point on 80s and 90s movies, so. Ghostbusters he's down with.
Andrew Yeah, that was a good one. Yeah, but most of them are just, yeah, whatever. How are you, Andrew? I'm good. I'm a little tired. This was a busy weekend. I think probably one of my most productive weekends. Like yesterday, after I chased everyone from the house, I left and returned home to pick up kids from school. Just constantly moving and doing. And today was much the same. So yeah, just a little worn out. Looking forward to going back to work when I have pretty minimal expectations when I'm not at work.
Everett And you go back to work tomorrow, right?
Andrew Yeah. Yeah. So I'll have tomorrow my nap day. It's my favorite day of the week. So I wake up, I'm up for a couple hours and I drink a beer. I go to sleep for several hours and I wake up, have dinner, go to work.
Everett You just sleep for like, see, I'm afraid that if I was doing what you do, I'd do it the other way. I'd basically just plow and not get enough, you know, like do a longer day that first day.
Andrew I have a lot of coworkers that do that, but I need, I need to nap because otherwise I'm up for 24, probably closer to like 30 hours. And yeah, that's just, it makes for, makes for a hard night of work, especially if it's like a slow, just slogging. Yeah. Yeah. That's hard to stay awake. Fair enough. They really frown when you crash because you fall asleep with the wheel.
Everett And it's not like you're, you're, you've got obligations during that nap time either.
Andrew No, everyone's at home or at school or at work. Like they gone. Right. What else would I be playing video games? Yeah. I mean, I've texted you. Yeah. I was supposed to go to bed hours ago, but I'm playing this video game still.
Everett Uh, well, good. Good. We are going to talk about watches today.
Andrew We are. We're going to get there.
Everett We're going to get there. I think we're there. Are we? I think we're there. Yeah. And we're going to do one of our little roundups. One of our, there was enough stuff that had happened in the last couple of weeks that we thought, yeah, it's time that we kind of go back and talk about some of this stuff. Some of this stuff. Although there were a few things that I looked at today that I was like, did we talk about this in the last roundup? So, um,
Andrew We might miss some things.
Everett Yeah.
Andrew And I was watching the State of the Union tonight and I felt like a cool episode would be the Watches of Washington. And as I, as they panned around from politician to politician, I realized there actually, though there were many watches, there weren't that many watches, many of the same watches.
Everett Yeah. I figure probably a lot of Apple watches.
Andrew A lot of Apple watches, you know, things of that ilk. Yeah.
Everett Kind of disappointed. It's such a functional tool. I mean, the Apple watch is really,
Andrew Yeah, but you know what? Very, very functional. That's the watch for the staffer. Sure. You're the figurehead. You should be wearing something different.
Everett Yeah, I actually don't think that most people's lives are, even most people in Washington, I don't feel, I don't think that their lives are organized the way we imagine them to be with the staffer holding their four cell phones.
Andrew No, I'm sure they're not. I've been in in staff roles to senior folks. And that's not what it was like at all. It was mostly just like fire, fire, fire. And you're just running around like a chicken with your head cut off, putting out fires. Yeah. With no cards also. It's like, here's your thing.
Everett Yeah. Yeah. Um, but we are going to talk about watches and, and I figure it would be fun if we just plowed right in an announcement that happened today. And for you listening at home, it will have been a few days ago. Uh, but this is an announcement everybody knew was coming, um, announced today, February 29th, 2022. Yeah. So notice. So full disclosure notice is, uh, a friend of the show. They've financially sponsored this show for several weeks that sponsorship will, well, it has actually in real time now expired. So you can now no longer use the clicker code. I don't know that. I don't know if they turn it off. I think it was set to turn off today, March 1st. But just full disclosure, Notice has supported us in the past, and we hope that if the occasion comes up, they would do so in the future. And we like them. The reason Notice and 40 and 20 Watch Clicker have a good relationship is primarily because we fucking love Notice watches. And we're cool as fuck. And we're cool. So Nodus announced its V2 of the Avalon Diver.
Andrew Which is probably closer to like V25 when you consider the way Nodus iterates their watches. Yeah, what do you mean by that? When they do a run, like their first run of a release, they're like, ooh, we're going to tweak this one little thing. And then they tweak it. And every run, even when you're buying within the same version, they will make all these little tweaks. Or there's new colorways. Always little minor changes, but this is the official, very big, whole new Avalon 2.
Everett Officially announced today, I think that these are available for sale basically now-ish, but the most interesting thing about this watch is that along with The watch they also unveiled, again, not a secret, but they also unveiled their Nodex dive extension or push button micro adjust clasp that I know I've talked to Wes about this a number of times. They've been developing this for a long time. There were some questions about, you know, is this a design that we want to protect? Is it not? And so they did Unveil this today. It's an 18 millimeter, super sleek looking micro adjustable dive clasp, push button dive clasp, which I really like a squeeze push button.
Andrew That's my flavor with quick release and links. Yep.
Everett Yep. Everybody's doing quick release, so you got to do them, but this no different. It's got great quick release. They obviously, I think they have to forge those quick release bars inside the bracelet as well.
Andrew You wouldn't believe the size of that tiny forge and tiny hammer that they use to forge them inside of it. It's something else.
Everett So, I mean, two things are true about two. I have two major sort of feelings about this watch. One is it's very, very, very the same. Which for better or worse, right? So I think part of me was thinking, Oh, maybe they'll do something kind of crazy, uh, make big changes. They did not do that. Um, which I think you can either say, well, that's a great thing that they've got this great watch and they didn't make too many changes. So now they still have this great watch. But, but for those of you at home who wanted something outrageous and different, I don't think that's this watch. No. But there are some pretty big changes.
Andrew It's DNA is still there though. Yeah.
Everett Well, I think more than the DNA, right? It's still there. We've got now applied indices and they look like really, really nice applied indices. And we've got a fantastic waffle dial. That's probably the waffle dial is probably the biggest, the biggest change and the applied indices. It just looks like an all around Slightly more developed to watch is what I would call it.
Andrew I think that's a good way to describe it like it's it's through puberty now Yeah That's right. This case shape is just phenomenal.
Everett Yeah, it's like long and sleek It's a very sort of very Seiko case I would say It's got those great cutouts towards the wrist which was one of the things I really liked about the original Avalon when we had that for a while. Yeah, they've got this coral color, they've got a blue, they've got a white dial. These are all named. Coral is sold out. Oh, is it?
Andrew The next batch is available, I think April is what it says. Which is soon.
Everett Yeah, second batch mid-April. That means they've got them probably already being manufactured.
Andrew So coral sold out, they're still black. That sea spray white is just
Everett Like a really crisp white. Yeah, so sea spray white, pelagic blue, trench black, and coral yellow, coral yellow, which Warn and Wound is calling the benevolent. Benevolent.
Andrew I don't think that'll stick. I don't think so either. It's a hard one to say. I like that blue. I think I'd like it more with a black bezel like the rest of them. Because the black or the blue is the only one that has a matching bezel. Yeah. But they're all three black bezels. but for the blue, which has a matching blue.
Everett Ceramic bezels on these. Um, yeah, I don't know what, what more to say. I think all the finishing looks better. The finishing on the bezel, the finishing on the anglaise, the case anglaise looks better. The one thing I know is my one objection from the original Navalon, which is, which was the fitment. between the end link and the case, I thought was a bit discordant and the, and maybe not quite as tight as I would have liked. Uh, that seems to still be a problem, uh, based on the pictures. I obviously haven't seen one of these. I still wish that that was a little bit more, a little bit less discordant. Uh, it's a pretty small, it's a pretty small thing at the end of the day. So The majority of this watch looks fantastic. It looks really well made. And I think it's maybe my favorite entry from notice.
Andrew Yeah. It's still just a fraction of a millimeter extending beyond that case. And I remember when we, when we had the Avalon in, we were discussing it when it falls on the wrist, it's almost not there. But for some reason, when it's, when you've got flat lay, it's quite noticeable.
Everett Yeah. For me, it's not so much the extension past the end of the case. It's, it's actually where the end link meets the cutout for the end link. Uh, the finishing, the, the grain goes in different directions. And, uh, again, it's such a big, broad, flat surface there that I think it, I think it pronounces that transition. And so part of me wants like a tighter, but I think what you get with a tighter connection there. It's probably harder fitment, um, harder to attach the bracelet or take the bracelet off. Um, and maybe, maybe more money too. So, um, it's, you know, manufacturing watches is, is tough, especially at this, at this price.
Andrew Everyone does it just like a Kickstarter. Right. Yeah. And so these are coming in $700 for the black and across the board, 700 bucks.
Everett Yeah, which is, which is a fantastic price for this.
Andrew Yeah. Yeah. Can I, can I talk about a new release? Uh, I do wish you would. I am excited for a G-Shock special edition.
Everett Yeah.
Andrew They just, or either they just announced or just releasing. I haven't checked if these are available yet. A special edition G-Shock Rubik's cube. Colab yeah, it's a g-shock With a Rubik's Cube Print dial So you're looking at it from I don't know what axis you would call that From the at an angle down onto the Rubik's Cube you go under the corner under the top corner You've got your got a yellow blue red completed sides. I think this would be a fun If it were incompleted just like a really incoherent mash of colors but I can dig why they're doing a completed, three completed sides. And it's fun. I'm, I'm digging what G Shock, what Casio at large and Timex are doing in fun, collaborative releases, even citizens getting in on it with their Star Wars lineup. I think it's just, it's fun. And I dig it.
Everett I, and so I want, do you know, is this actually a collab with Spin Master or Rubik's?
Andrew It's so it says with, Rubik's Cube and I don't know if it's with like Rubik's the company or with a with a somewhere higher up the umbrella so they have named this the GAE 2100RC-1A and it says 150 bucks which is right on par with the 2100 series 150 bucks you're not paying a whole lot extra I don't know if they're gonna be hard to get or if they're gonna sell out real quick, but all the things you love about G-Shock was a fun little flavor. White case, everything good.
Everett As a cube guy, I find this compelling. I probably wouldn't wear it, and so I probably won't buy it, but it's a fun watch.
Andrew You wear a white G-Shock all the time.
Everett I've got my white G-Shock. I have no need for another white G-Shock with a bold dial.
Andrew I could see you wearing this.
Everett Yeah, it would be easy to wear.
Andrew Colored keeper and buckle on it. Rubik's logo on the strap.
Everett Are these Hex G-Shocks, these Casio G-Shocks a modest size? I have to admit I've never worn one.
Andrew They're sized at
Everett Oh yeah, that's got a Rubik's logo on the strap. So it's an actual collaboration with Spin Master.
Andrew So 45.4 millimeter case with a 48.5 lug to lug.
Everett Oh, so actually really conserved it. For a G-Shock, yeah.
Andrew Yeah. Yeah, the Casio. I mean, that's why people buy those metal cases and bracelets for them, which I think are dope. And I always want to do it. I just never have.
Everett I think they're too big. I think you would not like it as much as you think you would like it.
Andrew No, I certainly wouldn't. I mean, I at 40 millimeters and 38 and a half, I'm like, gosh, I want something a little smaller.
Everett Yeah. Oh, that's neat. I I do. I do like that they've incorporated all the colors of all the things that you want.
Andrew I mean, these are kind of contemporaneously arrived into the social world right I mean the 70s and the 80s where kids grew up wearing g-shocks and playing with rubik's cubes because there wasn't Nintendo yet that like slinkies and rubik's cubes were the thing yeah and you obviously did it wearing a g-shock because of awesome yeah what I don't think g-shocks had been invented when the rubik's cube was at the height of its popularity G shocks came into in the what they were invented in 86. Yeah. So I guess probably right around the same time it 83 introduced Rubik's cube introduced in 74. Okay. So some, some contemporaneous existence.
Everett It's all, it's all before me and me. Yeah, obviously all before me. Uh, the, Yeah, that's a weird world. Rubik's Cube is a weird world. Yeah, because like, you know, starting, I'm not sure, maybe 15 years ago, people started, maybe 20 years ago, people started taking stock Rubik's Cubes that you'd buy at Target or whatever, and shaving down the parts. And then somebody was like, I'm going to injection mold a better version of this. And this whole like cottage industry blew up where everybody was selling via like Reddit or whatever. Yeah, that's right. And now you've got, you know, a handful of manufacturer of these things, Korea, mostly Asia, um, injection molding these speed cubes. And, you know, you've got like, noticeable differences. You know, I've got a handful of these things, right? And it's just, it feels totally different. I've got a modded, like probably 2005 Rubik's cube where I took it and I sanded all the parts and lubricated it. And it's just nowhere near, it's nice. It's nice. It moves fast enough, but it's nowhere near as fast. I remember when I got my first speed cube and it was like, this is nuts.
Andrew Yeah. It's almost, it's like ball bearing free floating and OG Rubik's cubes, right?
Everett Yeah. Yeah. My grandpa died. Uh, I took his Rubik's cube and it was from probably 76. Yeah. Maybe not quite that early, but I still have it. I keep it away cause the plastic is kind of brittle and I don't want the kids to break it. I don't know what I'm going to do with it cause I, now I don't really have it out. It's just sort of stored away. Maybe I'll have it out when I don't have kids who are likely to break it.
Andrew You can like dip it in an epoxy. I might be kind of cool actually.
Everett Do a full dip. It still works at this point. So maybe if it breaks, I'll do that.
Andrew I've got one that, I don't know, it's probably from 2000 that almost all the colors are almost indiscernible. Like I have, I have Sharpie marks for the color name on there too. That's funny. I just never, they weren't expensive. I just never got a new one.
Everett Uh, watches.
Andrew Yes. Not Rubik's cube, even though this is, you know, adjacent. Now Rubik's Cubing is adjacent to watches and we can talk about Speed Cubing.
Everett I feel like almost all the things we're going to talk about today are... No, there's not all of them.
Andrew I've got one set aside for the end.
Everett Okay. I feel like all of these except for one, two, three. Okay. Yeah, this is unlike us. We've got some throwback stuff here. We're retro. This is the retro edition of the Watch Roundup. Tissot PRX, a watch we've talked about on the show a lot. It's out because it's a $650. It's a $650 steel sport watch that feels like it's not cool as shit, I guess. Tissot introduced this week, I think, or very recently, if not this week. It's been the last 10 days. introduced a bit of an upgrade to the Powermatic series. So this is a steel, still steel case, steel bracelet, but with an 18 karat gold fluted bezel for $1,200. So it's a $1,200 premium
Andrew However... It's a $600 bezel. That's reasonable.
Everett I've seen photos of these in... I've seen photos of these with a blue dial. I think the only one that's available right now is the brown dial. Although you may be able to find the blue dial somewhere. Oh, yeah, no. So... Not on the website yet. Not on the website, but there is a blue dial somewhere. The brown has this pretty nice rose gold They look like gold markers as well, and hands.
Andrew I would think so. It doesn't say. Yeah. It doesn't say.
Everett Either way, we're starting to get into like, you know, these are super thin. I think they're 11 millimeters or maybe even less than that. We're starting to get into like, pretty cool. I mean, obviously it's Tissot, right? So it's not horology, right? This is at a movement. This is a Powermatic 80, which is a great movement. It's your favorite movement. It's, yeah. It's got 80 hours. I mean, we're starting to get into pretty cool watch territory here.
Andrew I think it's a cool move in the affordable range to start experimenting with precious metals. Yeah. Because this is still very affordable. I mean, it's 1800 bucks, right? We're, we're not talking about like affordable in, in the normal sense of the word, but we're talking about it in the way of integration of precious metals with cool technology, with horological chops. This is like some cool playground territory that I, I hope they play with. Cause this, this looks very much like, like the Prince, uh, like the Tudor Prince.
Everett Sure.
Andrew Sure. And it has really similar characteristics. It's still super thin. I think the Prince is probably going to be objectively better in every regard.
Everett Do you know, is the, is the bezel on the Prince, uh, gold? I know it is on the Datejust. I don't know about the Prince.
Andrew Yeah. The Prince Day-Date, like the ones Xander has. Yeah. That's, that's a gold. It is gold. It's gold. And with, with gold links in the, in the bracelet.
Everett Oh yeah. He's got a two-tone. He's got a two-tone. Yeah. But like even a, for instance, even a steel Datejust, Yeah, has a gold bezel. So what white gold bezel, right? It does seem so I mean, first, we should just acknowledge this is a little derivative. But who cares? A who cares? And B, I like what they're doing. This is fun, right? This is all of a sudden becoming like kind of a the PRX. The quartz PRX super interesting. Yeah, paramatic PRX. Pretty cool.
Andrew They're really capitalizing on the love that has been found for this watch.
Everett 18 karat gold, bezel, Powermatic 80 PRX. I'm like starting to get kind of into it.
Andrew It's kind of 96 Lexus. It's like, it's like, that's right. It's a little weird, but it's also really cool.
Everett Yeah. And you're right too. It's, it's not affordable. This isn't an affordable watch. This is a stupid amount of money to spend on a watch. It's a, it's a dumb amount of money to spend on a watch.
Andrew But here you are, and here we are. And we've done it. I'm interested. Well, we didn't buy this. I haven't. No. No.
Everett No.
Andrew How much money do we have in Patreon? It's also funding TRX or PRX.
Everett TRX? Can we get TRX?
Andrew We could. Let's do it. They got to be 18 karat gold and I only like princess cut, so. It's also funding PRX purchases, so.
Everett This is great. Uh, I'm into it. Uh, I, yeah, I don't know what else to say about it. It's a PRX.
Andrew It's a PRX, but it's got an 18 karat gold bezel on it for, and the fluted bezels are super underrated. They're hard to, I feel like they're not my style, but I love them.
Everett You know, I think, I think watches are about to get weird. Do you think? I do. I think watches are about to get weird.
Andrew That means if they weren't already.
Everett No, I mean, the, no, we're weird. Okay. But watches are stodgy. So they were big, which is, which was interesting. Big watches was interesting. And then it was like, okay, that's not interesting anymore. And, and now they're small, but kind of like, like boring still. And then you got colors, right? So you got Hallios, like, let's do some fucking colors. And everybody's like, yeah, let's do some fucking colors. and people are like oh yeah colors and then people are like forgot about them hey you remember the 70s those watches were weird so it's like okay yeah let's get i think the next step is fucking weird you think they're gonna outdo the 70s yeah i think watches are about to get weird i don't think you heard it here first i don't know i don't know what it's gonna look like and that's the thing with weird right sometimes it's just weird like sorry that's weird sometimes it's like that's fucking cool like the brew like the 8-bit release he did and yeah we just talked about a Rubik's Cube watch man I mean not even the 8-bit the 8-bits like whatever the Rubik's Cube is whatever that's like I don't know I love John I love the 8-bit it's cool but that's like boring weird brew is weird yeah the brand brew is weird 8-bit brew is like meh it attracts brew itself is weird and I think that that's where we're going to start going more of brew and not and not things that look or or act like brew, but more weird shit that people are going to be like, Ooh, that's weird.
Andrew But the reason brew is successful is because he integrated this really weird niche thing into this other really weird niche thing. And it works independent of itself and it's totally cohesive.
Everett Yeah. Yeah, who knows why he's successful, you know, it's like if I could bottle that I'd be a millionaire, but it's If there's something there the the the soil is fertile For some weird I Concur I hope it's weird in colors though.
Andrew I don't want to see like boombox watches I Do yeah, I mean that's the thing if it's contrived people won't buy it.
Everett It's gonna have to be cool and weird
Andrew And I'm going to be the weird guy within the weird community wearing sterile medals.
Everett Can you imagine the first time you saw a road? Can you imagine the first time people saw the Royal Oak? I mean, I mean, just imagine all you've ever seen is traditional round case, maybe some tonneau, you know, and then all of a sudden it's like, yo, there's this fucking knucklehead in Switzerland. and he designed this thing with screws on the front, and holy shit, it cost how much? Get me one.
Andrew Right. Yeah, I don't know. I don't know why people do what they do.
Everett I think that's where we're at. I guess that's my point. Next up, you wanted to talk about Rolex. I do want to talk about Rolex. And I feel like we don't, I feel like we kind of don't talk about Rolex.
Andrew We don't. And I wanted to talk about it because I came across this article Who wrote it?
Everett Was it your mom?
Andrew Could have been. If it was, I would know. It's from Watch Collecting Lifestyle from the editor. There's no byline in this article I'm reading. I mean, tell me I'm wrong. You're looking at it too. Yeah, there's no byline. From the editor, counterfeit Rolex warranty cards are on the rise Here's what you can do to protect yourself. What can you do? So reading this article and I think that I've been in a place where I'm pretty comfortable that I'm not going to in the near future be able to make an AD purchase of a Rolex because I'm not going to be able to go in and buy another watch to get on a waiting list to buy another watch. It's just not. And that's maybe I'm incorrect in my understanding of how the AD relationship and purchase history works for acquisition of Rolex watches. But as I understand it, you get preferential treatment with the purchase history.
Everett Yeah. I think that that is the general, you know, they're all independent companies, so it's, I don't have any ends, right?
Andrew I don't, and I don't do sexual favors often enough to, to, you know, be able to do that. So, uh, for other people.
Everett Yeah. Okay.
Andrew Yeah. Sure. Uh, so gray market is kind of my existence right now. Secondhand purchase is kind of the existence. And what I found is that if you want box and papers, you're paying two to $3,000 more. And I never considered, you know, I, I fully understood that boxes are not necessarily counterfeit but were often not a match to the watch that you were buying and I'm comfortable with that. I'm less so comfortable realizing that there's a market out there for counterfeit warranty cards. Suddenly now the sexual favor option at the AD seems much, much more appealing to me. So this article goes through a side-by-side of a counterfeit warranty card and a genuine warranty card and gives you three really easy side-by-sides to look for. Uh, how, how the watermark behaves in the UV light, um, the print on it, and then also the way that the, the actual embossing of the font on there. But if you are in, so, so if you are in the second hand or third hand or, you know, down the line Rolex market, And box and papers is important to you, which it's important to me. This is worth taking a peek at. Yeah.
Everett Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it's something I would have just never even thought about.
Andrew Counterfeit warranty cards. Come on. I know it makes sense. I mean, this, you know, three by five card, if well done, maybe cost you a hundred bucks to make and is worth a couple thousand when paired with a watch that has matching serial number on the card. Yeah, that's horrifying. It's just such a dog shit that that's the, the secondhand market for, I mean, luxury goods, all luxury goods have this same problem. I just wanted watches to be immune because I want one and I don't want to have to deal with counterfeit issues. Seems, seems reasonable enough that I can buy it from some shady guy in a trench coat.
Everett Yeah.
Andrew Shouldn't have to worry about the card.
Everett Right. You know, it is, uh, It is a strange world we live in, man. People will spend probably a not insignificant amount of money to buy one of these. I would guess some people are buying them knowing that they're fake. These cards? Yeah. Yeah. And not to defraud anybody. I'm guessing some people buy these to have them for themselves. And, you know, it's just a strange world, man.
Andrew No, I think people are buying them to sell their, their either, either counterfeit watch to make it look more legitimate or they're buying them to replace the one that was originally with their watch to make their watch more valuable. Because, because Rolex specifically is such a increasing value asset right now that if you can add I mean, you've already tripled your money if you bought a Rolex five years ago. If you can add another couple thousand to it for a pretty small investment.
Everett Yeah. Yeah, do it. Meanwhile, some developer pours a thousand hours into making an app and then people piss and moan that they want a buck ninety nine for it. Yeah, right. A buck ninety nine? I don't pay for it. I don't buy apps.
Andrew I only use the free ones. Ninety nine cents will get people up in arms.
Everett But give me one of those fake Rolex cards. Hundred fifty. That's a good deal. Yeah, exactly.
Andrew Cyclops at the nine.
Everett This is just such a strange time. Uh, yeah, I don't care about this article. I don't care about Rolex cards or whatever.
Andrew I was interested by it and it was a very much a, an eye opener onto my hunt. Can we talk about something else I don't care about? That their MSRP is going up? Who's MSRP? Rolex. They increased the Explorer. I mean, they're going up across the line, but they increased the Explorer like 15% this year.
Everett We don't have to go down this, but just food for thought, when you're at home, you're driving in your car, there's a pretty reasonable school of thought that says Rolex should increase their MSRP to meet demand. That Rolex should raise their rates to equalize demand. Correct. I mean, it's an argument to be had there, right? That's not a certain, uh, value statement, but there's a school of thought. Okay. Gerard Perregaux, another brand I don't care about. Let's talk about him.
Andrew Oh yeah. I looked at this article and I thought it was interesting that you sent it to me because I was like, this is a me watch.
Everett So, so back in the, back in the, in the olden times, early days, there were no such thing as quartz watches or even electronic watches all the watches had these metal things inside them with gears and springs it's crazy uh but in the late in the 60s mid-60s okay I'll stop but during the quartz crisis Gerard Perregaux being Gerard Perregaux this fantastic luxury brand was like we don't get us some of that and so they they released a very pulsar looking watch. Uh, they're calling this a driving viewing angle, I think. So it's got basically a shroud all the way around this, but it's pulsar looking, um, with the red leds, uh, black dial and it faces you as your, you know, wrist on the steering wheel.
Andrew It doesn't, it's perpendicular to your wrist angle. So it's not, you'd have to like be driving
Everett I put the seats way back and put my arms straight out.
Andrew Exactly. So then it's facing perpendicular to your eye line.
Everett That's right. So the passenger can read it.
Andrew Oh yeah, I guess your passenger could read it. So anyway. It's co-pilot in that case.
Everett This is a $4,000 Pulsar lookalike or maybe $4,500. Oh, where's the price? $4,700. Actually, that's francs. Euros, 47. Frank's 4,500, USD's 4,700, so. A bucket. It's a bucket. And so this should, I shouldn't have any interest in this watch.
Andrew I should have the cassette 2.0 released. It's spelled with a Q. Yeah, the casket.
Everett So interesting. Not cassette. This is an interesting thing. They call this the cassette, do you think? Not casket? Anyway, they call this the, one of those two words, 2.0. But the original watch was not called the cassette. It was called something else and basically the general public nicknamed it that. And so now Gerard Perregaux has released this thing fairly faithfully. It looks very, very similar. It's obviously beautiful. It's made with a matte ceramic.
Andrew Yeah, it's cool.
Everett finish and titanium, so superior materials. The movement is, I don't know, it's maybe kind of a whatever movement. It doesn't do anything really novel. Obviously, it's gonna be accurate. This is actually just a fuck you watch, is what this is. And I shouldn't like it.
Andrew No, no, no. But I like it. The forged carbon and titanium was auctioned for 80,000 francs.
Everett Yeah, I think that's a ceramic. So they did a one off a few years ago. The one watch for 2021. Yeah, that that's not this. That's not this. So this is a general release. That was a $80,000 only watch 2021. This is cool. I love this design. This like Space Odyssey.
Andrew This is, you know, Watch designs from the 70s that were supposed to be for the 2020s, that this is what they expected watches and technology to look like. And there was a miss, like a significant miss. So in order to be correct, they're re-releasing these. I'm like, no, no, we were right. This is what watches look like in the 20s.
Everett Tomorrowland. It feels very Tomorrowland. You know, I hate that I like this watch.
Andrew You hate that you like all of these. digital watches.
Everett This is the first one of these I've ever seen that I was like, I kind of like that one.
Andrew Oh man, I dig this. I could never go for it. You know, I don't think I'd even get a Pulsar as much as I like them because they're just kind of weird.
Everett Well, so right there's the Hamilton's. Yeah, the Hamilton Pulsars. There's the Yema's. There's I think like Armatron makes a cheap one.
Andrew Bolivar does one like this with the same angled viewing. Or is it Citizen? I don't know. Maybe they both do.
Everett The reason I like this one is cause it's like all fucking fancy ass materials. That's why I like this one. Cause it's like titanium and ceramic.
Andrew It's just ridiculous on every level.
Everett I think I, I, I want it to be like a $2,000 watch.
Andrew Of course you do. Cause then you're like, I can maybe do that. I could maybe work Saturday and make this happen.
Everett I think it's about $2,000 too much money for me to ever think about.
Andrew But it's your repair go. I mean, what do you want? That's right. That's this is an entry level watch.
Everett They get to charge for their name. Yeah, absolutely. They get to. So, uh, yeah, that's all I have to really say about the only thing.
Andrew If you're top viewing this watch, the only thing you see is the GP logo and a little, just a trace of the button.
Everett Right. And that, that GP logos in titanium. So it's like recessed into that ceramic case. There's a titanium GP logo.
Andrew That's a weird bracelet. It's my watch.
Everett I mean, you do, it would be a little, yeah.
Andrew awkward i love it it'd be nice for like uh like if you're sitting at your desk and you you actually write with a with a pen and pad you just look straight down on your watch there's no rotation or if you have like a numb arm you just that's a real guy i know just make that a baller arm you know uh yeah it's super conservatively sized i actually suspect this is going to be much smaller than i would want it to be it's 30
Everett I think like 34 millimeters across.
Andrew That's going to be the right size.
Everett It's a square. So it's a cube, but, um, yeah, so it's going to have some, some risk presence, but the dimensions are going to be deceptive. I think like 43 millimeter lug to lug and 40 or 34 across. I think that's going to be right. So what do you got?
Andrew Marin instruments.
Everett Yeah, is that Marin? I think it's Marin.
Andrew I like Marin. Marin Instruments.
Everett I think I read something or heard this guy talking on a podcast or something about how he was wanting to make a brand called Marine and then was like, eh, maybe I'll just drop that E off. Yeah. Because he's from like the Midwest or something.
Andrew Yeah, like Kansas. Yeah, Kansas. Kansas? Iowa? Doesn't matter. So, we'll get there. Article I have pulled up for it is on Hodinkee. I believe you're going to see one of these featured shortly on our website. And if not, I think Mike has it, right? Is it Mike or Will who has it?
Everett I don't know. Are we doing a review? Is somebody doing a review on the Fieldmaster?
Andrew No, somebody has the Diver. Okay. Don't they?
Everett Does Mike have one? Uh, so maybe I'm wrong. It doesn't matter. Marin's been around for a while though, right? 2019. Yeah.
Andrew A couple of years. So, so we've got, we've got a couple of things that we're working with here with Marin. First, I was wholly unaware of their, of their first dive watch until, uh, the second watch came out and the second watch has been, I don't know how recently, um, not released, but, uh, announced. and made available for viewing. But this is a cool brand. This is, this I think kind of captures the weird that you're looking at.
Everett So he, this, uh, yeah, I actually don't think these are weird at all.
Andrew I think that these are freaking, it's really freaking cool, but I think it captures the weird. So the founder, uh, Justin Walters, first of all, he's going to be, he's got to be cool as shit. Cause he works for the department of energy. and on satellites, and that's all you get to know.
Everett Also, he was like a skateboard designer for Girl, I think.
Andrew Skateboard designer. Designed some, there's some photos of sleds that he designed, but he recently released a GMT chronograph diver known as the Fieldmaster. And I think if you're going to actually, if you're going to be so bold as to name something the Fieldmaster, this is maybe the first watch to be deserving of said title. A GMT Chronograph Diver. And when you think about those things all together, you think you might hate it. I don't hate it.
Everett Nope.
Andrew I love it. It's super 60s and 70s. Everything is really subtle. You know, you've got a single pusher chronograph. Great crown guards that balance it, that kind of give it a cool asymmetric in one quadrant case.
Everett Square lugs, flat case top.
Andrew A nine o'clock date, which is just weird enough for me to really dig it. A three o'clock chronograph wheel, a not off-colored but matching hand set for the GMT.
Everett Well, I think he's got, I think he's got two concepts for the, for the hands. I like the white. Yeah. Okay. I actually kind of like the primary color. It has a bit of a fairer vibe.
Andrew I was just thinking it's the blue that gives it the fairer vibe for me. That kind of turquoise, not turquoisey, like periwinkly blue. It's very fairer. And then I think it was with the so many colors, but that all white is super cool. And this guy's just, just banging out now two, really, really well-developed, really vintage-inspired, true to the design, but upgraded in all the right ways watches. And I'm excited about it. No price yet. Yeah, no price. Probably going to be two grand, was my guess, if I had to guess.
Everett Yeah, if not more. I mean, I don't know what movement they're planning to use for these, but the GMT and the chronograph, so it's a monopusher chronograph. Is there a movement that does these things? Shit, man, I don't know. You know, I think that there are a lot of these, like a 7750, I think you could stack modules on it, but... Yeah, but then you're looking at, like, a tower.
Andrew You have the Leaning Tower of Fieldmaster on your watch.
Everett So, I mean, if it's quartz, I'm sure that there are options. And maybe that's what he should do, frankly, because I think you start talking about custom modules on anything mechanical, and this thing's going to be expensive.
Andrew Yeah.
Everett So I think the Skin Diver uses an SW200. It does. Which is a great, that's just a great movement. Uh, if, if you want Swiss, I think that that's probably one of the most obvious choices for kind of entry level. This is certainly under a thousand. I'm not sure the Skin Diver's entry level, but, um, yeah, this exciting, fun watch.
Andrew Bears, bears the Swiss made stamp.
Everett Yeah. Yeah. For, for that, for 900 bucks, that's tough. I think that there are some questions about whether or not you want that or need that.
Andrew There are certainly some questions, but there's, I mean, top of mind, Chris Ward's the only brand that's beating that price point for similarly featured watches.
Everett So I got two quick things to talk about. Do them fast. I don't, we're never fast. Only fast. So the first one, Stratton Yacht Racer Quartz. This is a, you know, Stratton is a weird company. Stratton is a company that feels like it's very much in our wheelhouse. I know we've talked about Stratton on the show before, but not something that has ever been super interesting to me. Their designs are just kind of not really, not really the types of designs they go for. They've got sort of that sort of classic Hoyer, Tano, chronograph thing going on, right? And they've got many, many different designs, but generally a little bit, a little bit too motorsports for me. They have just introduced a series of Yacht Racer Quartz Unicompax chronographs. Um, and I fucking love them all. These are all, there's a ton of terrific colors. They're all, I'm not sure I'd call these weird when I said, shit's going to get weird. I don't think this is what I was talking about, but it's, it's kind of there, right? These are very eighties. There are like, there's a Miami vice version. There's an Oregon ducks version.
Andrew Exactly what they did too. What's that? It's Oregon Ducks. That's what it is.
Everett Right. They're like 260 bucks. It's a Quartz. This is a Quartz watch. So, you know, they're able to keep prices on that low. But I think these are terrific and fun and practical. You know, this is a super neat watch. And we'll have a link here in the show. We'll have a link here in the show notes, but you should check them out if you're looking for an affordable, bang around, cool color quartz watch from a reputable company.
Andrew Yeah.
Everett I dig them. Yeah. So just a few specs. Case size 42, lug to lug 48. These have got the 6S21 Miyota quartz movement. You know, all the specs. 100 meters of water resistance. Uh, sapphire, good loom. I think these are only like, I can't remember, 12 thick.
Andrew That's pretty thin. I mean, even for a quartz chronograph, that's thin. Yeah. Yeah. And a killer price. They're attractive. Great price. Yeah. That's a win all around. 20 millimeter lugs. Do they have bracelets or are they all in straps?
Everett I think they're all on straps. I don't see a bracelet option on the website. But you can still get the Oregon Ducks version, so. That's what matters. I've never been the guy to like rock like green and yellow Oregon Ducks Jordans or whatever, but occasionally. I'd wear the watch. Yeah, I might wear that too.
Andrew It looks like these are marked down from 319, so they may go up. relatively soon, but there's three shoppers looking at the green and yellow one right now. You must be one of them.
Everett So one more thing to talk about.
Andrew Yes.
Everett Orion, Nick Harris, our good friend, uh, the, the mad genius, the angry watchmaker, uh, as he, as he sort of refers to, or has referred to himself Just introduced a new watch and that's, I talked to some people that were a little deflated by the fact that this is not a new watch. It is a new dial in an existing case. But Orion introduced this last week, uh, the Tesseract. Will did a first look and wrote it up on our website. So we'll put a link to that in the show notes. Um, where you can see kind of the details. But basically what he's done, what Nick has done is take a Hellcat, the existing case, bracelet, and movement from a Hellcat, and put a completely novel, 100% American made, handmade, much of it handmade, dial inside of a Hellcat. I think they only made 19 of these. And so it's not like... Who turned these out? What's that?
Andrew Who turned these out? These are just beautiful.
Everett So yeah, I think that there is a bit of... I think that there is a bit of anxiety. I've heard a lot of people say, This is beautiful. This is stunning. This is really cool. Um, are we going to be able to get one? I've also heard some folks say, well, I don't understand this. I don't understand this. And I think that's okay. It's okay. But I, we're in this weird community, which I think people's gut reaction is to say, that's a $500 watch that costs $2,000. Um, which is just tough. Uh, it's tough because it's a kind of, a normal feeling to have.
Andrew So, um, cause in some cases it's true. And when you look at some, some startup brands, some, even some Kickstarter brands, and you look at how their watch is spec'd, you can recognize immediately that it is spec'd comparatively to other $500 watches and they are charging more for it because they believe they can. Yeah. This is not that.
Everett This is not that. So I do some of the more well, uh, spoken criticisms I heard regarding this were that it was a kind of a letdown that Nick's been teasing these test racked photos and to not have a new case, new bracelet, new anything, but just to have the dial that had been teased. Um, And another that $4,000 is a lot to spend for a Miyota 9000 movement. I think that both of those are kind of in the realm of reasonable. I also know that Nick is a reasonable businessman. I know that his margins are in the realm of reasonable. We've talked before about his engraved watches and he's like, well, this is how much it costs. There's demand for these. I've got the ability to make these. And so I'll make them and my margins going to be.
Andrew And that's how much it costs to engrave the entirety of a watch.
Everett That's right. So basically what he's done is make a special edition Hellcat, a very, very, very special edition Hellcat with an engraved dial that's gorgeous.
Andrew Yeah, these are next level. With a Can you imagine one of those dials in the engraved case?
Everett 0.2 millimeter nameplate that speaks of sort of classic code horology with hand polishing and chamfering, custom typeface engraving, you know, all of these, all of these sort of fancy, fancy, fancy details. So, uh, I think these are really cool, man. They're beautiful handsets. beautiful dial. Everything here is just deliciously done. Um, yeah. And you know, the nice thing about these is they're only 19 made. And so I don't have to stress about whether or not I'm going to buy one.
Andrew No. Cause you're just not going to be able to get one, right?
Everett Yeah. I mean, it's nice. Like I think this is a fun, I think this is a fun thing to be able to put out into the world and I support the shit
Andrew I understand why people would want a new case and new bracelet to go along with that. But then it's not a $2,000 watch.
Everett Well, I want to say something else. Then it's a it's a $4,000 watch. I think the Hellcat is maybe the most underrated watch case I've ever encountered. So I've tried on I've tried on all of the sort of date just like microbrands at this point, I think, or at least most of them. And the Hellcat's something different. In my mind, I think it's ergonomically, design-wise, it's a little bit different and really, really, really good. I like my Hellcat. I think if I had designed that dial, I might do something a little bit different with it. I didn't, and so I didn't. Um, that case is really special. So I'm totally fine with him using that existing infrastructure because it's terrific.
Andrew It's, I think probably, I mean, so I'm looking it up right now. The Hellcats what? Five 60, seven 25. Yeah.
Everett I think I bought mine for, Oh, I don't think I spent that much on it.
Andrew So there's seven 25 right now. I think now that's a reasonable price for it because previously they were in the, I think they were in the fives. weren't they?
Everett I don't know what I paid for it. I can't, I actually, as I sit here right now, I can't remember.
Andrew I thought maybe six 50. I thought they were a little bit less, but, but I thought he was undercharging for him. And now I think he's, he's right. Dead nuts on what I like. Somebody who looks at a bucket load of watches and I think seven, seven 25 dead nuts on. Yeah. But it's just such a fucking cool watch. It's super comfortable. It's one of the most comfortable watches ever worn.
Everett Yeah. Yeah, I love it.
Andrew All right.
Everett The Tesseract. I tried on a handful of watches all kind of at the same time looking for a sort of small-ish, you know, sterile bezel, simple bezel sport watch in the $500-ish range. And that was the one I landed on.
Andrew That's a good one to land on.
Everett Yeah. That's all I got for watches.
Andrew That's all I got for watches, I think. On review, yes, that's all I have for watches.
Everett Well, what about other things? Other things, Andrew, what do you got? I got a thing.
Andrew I watched a, I started a new TV show. We can't both do TV shows. We have to, because I already picked mine. I started Vikings Valhalla. And it is a Netflix carried sequel to the history channel Vikings set a hundred years ish in the future of where Vikings ended the history channel version of it. A hundred years in the future, a hundred years after the events of Vikings. That's a better way to put that because a hundred years in the future, it was like, That's a future and you shouldn't be a Viking a hundred years from now. There's some some problems there. I can be a Viking right now if I want to. You could. I gotta say I've seen I've seen plenty of Viking cosplay at like Renifests, like Instagram reels, and I'm... You've been... I'm interested in going just based off of the people that I've seen going to those or posting videos of themselves in them. Unimportant. The show When I, so what, what made me realize even that it had been released was that I read an article that said, make sure you watch the only show or one of the few shows that has a hundred percent on Rotten Tomato. And I read the article and they put a huge disclaimer in that there were only 13 reviews as of the writing of the article, but it was at a hundred percent on Rotten Tomato. As it stands right now, I think it's in the eighties, maybe nineties. I don't recall. I looked earlier. It doesn't matter. It is really well acted. Good story, but slow.
Everett Yeah, I was thinking there was a slow or a but in there.
Andrew But slow. I'm watching Vikings because I want to see Vikings stuff.
Everett Like head smashing?
Andrew Like good battles. And I don't feel like it has the same grandeur. that the History Channel version did. And the History version felt like an HBO series, minus the boobies, right? It felt like a PG-rated Game of Thrones. And they did a good job for their PG rating in the way of action sequences. It's surely not PG-rated. No, it's PG-13. It's on the History Channel. TV-14 or something. Yeah, it's TV-14. No boobies. But I'm getting at and and even the violence was like the gore was toned down, subdued by a lot of it was like secondary, like splatter kind of stuff. Sure. But thus far, I've been a little let down by what I was hoping for. If I take this the show just through the lens of, oh, it's a it's a historical semi nonfiction. Right. I mean, it's kind of an interpretation of some sort of historical basis. Yeah, there's there's some foundation there, but also how how nonfiction can you be based off of scrolls? You know, it's just a touch of a letdown for me thus far. I've enjoyed it. And I think if you go into it through the lens of you're watching a historical drama with a little bit of action flair, but well acted up to this point, you're going to enjoy it. I've been a little let down and wanting more like axes in the faces.
Everett Yeah.
Andrew Because that's what I want when I watch Viking shows. When you watch Viking shows, you want axe in face. Yeah. I want the two shall meet.
Everett Axe in face.
Andrew Yeah. I also watched part of Last Samurai today and I forgot how bad that movie was, but also how good that movie was.
Everett Yeah. Fuck that movie. I hate every single thing about that movie. I liked the action sequences today. Yeah. That movie just makes me mad.
Andrew It's just not good.
Everett Good battle scenes. There's so many problems with that movie. Of course there are. I don't even want to talk about it.
Andrew Of course there are. It's a Tom Cruise movie from like 2006. It's very bad.
Everett Let's start with Tom Cruise. So this is a little awkward, Andrew. Okay. Because I've also got a show.
Andrew Do it.
Everett Is it also Vikings Valhalla? It's not Vikings, which is good. That would be more awkward. Yeah. We just deal with that. No, it's well actually it's maybe more awkward because I've had this same exact experience with so the name watch the show and use it as another thing before haven't you? No, okay. The name of the show is all of us are dead. It is a Korean zombie zombie show series. I don't know the director not someone. I'm not someone I'm familiar with. I don't know any of the actors. Um, yeah, it's, it's sort of, it just popped up. The tile popped up one day and I was like, let's give this a run. I'm now eight of 12 episodes in and I've enjoyed all eight episodes. I, it's one of those shows that always keeps me wondering if something's going to happen, right? Like the acting is, no, it's not good. Hear me out here.
Andrew Oh, oh, God, we have the same complaint. Yes, exactly.
Everett The acting is good. Unlike your show, there are access to the face. I'm trying to wonder if there's literally access to the face. I don't think maybe.
Andrew Well, it's a high school, so they don't have access there, but they are zombie killing.
Everett It's got a bit of a it's got a bit of a sort of coming of age feel to it. What's the name of that Canadian teen Sitcom, soap opera sitcom.
Andrew Place Beyond the Pines. No, no, no.
Everett The one that everybody and their mother was on. Someone at home is yelling the name of this show right now. It's like one of the most popular shows of all time. Anyway, Lost Boys. No, it's Canadian. It's a Canadian sitcom, like a daytime. Anyway, it's like a high school teenage. Oh, Glee. Jesus Christ, Andrew, please go away. I can finish without you. All we need is a buh-bye. I got it. Somebody can do that. See yourself out. So the acting's really good. The tension is good. The action, it's scary. The fear and stress is palpable. They know how to do zombies. And you know, the emotions and the storylines are interesting, but there's always that like, feeling like, okay, is the thing that I'm waiting for? Okay, what, not this episode? Okay, maybe it'll happen next, but it's got enough that I like, we'll start the next episode, right? And so two thirds of the way through, I think I'm either in or through episode eight right now. So it still might happen. I will say it's been a little bit more stressful than I wanted. There have been times where I thought I need a little bit of a break. I need a break because this is, and I need something to happen. Um, but other than that, it's been really, really good.
Andrew I'm tired of being on edge. I just need it to happen. Edging is a thing, people.
Everett I would say, uh, I'd say pull it up. I'd say pull it up. If, if you're interested, if it, if the idea of that interests you at all, I'd say pull it up.
Andrew The directors don't have Wikipedia pages. Uh, yeah, I'm telling you it's like one of the I've seen this tile and I've almost watched a couple of times. Is it in Korean? Like, are you having to grassy?
Everett Degrassi. That's the name of the show. Degrassi. Degrassi. Degrassi.
Andrew Degrass. Yeah. Like as a Neil different.
Everett Uh, yeah, pull it up if you like zombies or you like hitching sort of South Korean television. That's right. Or if you like South Korean sort of that South Korean cinematic style, I'd say pull it up.
Andrew It's really, it's been really good. It's weird that we're both recommending TV shows that we're just kind of medium on, but also have really liked.
Everett Yeah. Well, you know, such is life. There's more, there's more options than loved it, hated it.
Andrew Yeah.
Everett Yeah. There are more options than that. And there are things in between loved it and hated that are worth our time.
Andrew Yeah. Squid games was one for me. I was pretty medium about squid games. I watched it and I was like, I don't understand. I just, it's just, it's just squid game.
Everett There's just one game, squid game.
Andrew No, but they played, they played six games. I didn't, I don't understand why it took the world by storm.
Everett I loved it. I loved it. The moment I started it, I could not stop watching it. I loved it.
Andrew I had to force myself through the first episode for the sake of being aware of what has happened. It's nuts to me. I loved it. I don't get why it took the world by storm.
Everett I turned it on and I was like, I need to watch the second episode.
Andrew I was that way with Tiger King and I was not that way with the sequel season two or whatever the Tiger King two was, was just not good. I haven't even turned it on.
Everett I've heard nothing but good. Nothing but bad.
Andrew Yeah. Don't, don't bother unless you have Carol and uh, and Tiger King duking it out. It's not worth my time. See, he got resentenced. Did he? Yeah. It took a year off.
Everett Andrew, Andrew, you got anything else you want to add?
Andrew That's it. We had a bunch of other things there at the end.
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