Episode 166 - Horological Hopes and Dreams for 2022
Published on Wed, 29 Dec 2021 21:27:03 -0800
Synopsis
The hosts, Andrew and Everett, discuss their hopes and dreams for the watch industry in 2022. Some key points:
- They hope to see a return to American watchmaking with affordable mechanical movements like the new Ameriquartz/Americron movements.
- They want to see a resurgence of great watch design from the microbrands, with more inspired and innovative designs rather than derivative works.
- Some specific hopes are for new releases from brands like Brew, Monta, and Lorier, with more emphasis on sub-40mm sizes and unique design elements.
- They also discuss some non-watch topics like a new YouTube channel called "I Did A Thing" with ridiculous stunts, and the newly released Nick Offerman edition of Lagavulin 11 Year Scotch whisky.
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| Andrew | Hello fellow watch lovers, nerds, enthusiasts, or however you identify. You're listening to 1420 The Watch Clicker podcast with your hosts, Andrew and my good friend Everett. Here we talk about watches, food, drinks, life, and other things we like. Everett, how are you? |
| Everett | You know, I'm good. Yeah. I've got, uh, I've got snow in my front yard. |
| Andrew | We, yeah. Mine too. You didn't have it shipped in. |
| Everett | It landed here. It did. It did land here. Yeah. Uh, organically as it were. Uh, that's weird. Snow weeks are always weird, man. It's, it's like, mentally speaking hard for me to get like in the flow of like anything tedious or professional. Um, you know, the, and the kids are home cause of winter break, but it's also like additionally break feeling. So yeah, uh, I'm, I'm doing fine even though everything feels weird. It's just off. |
| Andrew | We're not, we're not accustomed to snow here in the upper left. Yeah. Uh, at least the area of the upper left that we are in and uh, it, it puts a, It just, it, it changes the dynamics of everything. Nothing's different. This is my normal weekend. My kids would normally be home, but I'm also going crazy. It's worse than rain. |
| Everett | Well, it's totally, I mean, rain doesn't really change how I, how I operate, but snow definitely does. Right. Yeah. Fortunately today. So, so it is now Tuesday we're recording on Tuesday as we do pretty consistently. We used to move it around a lot. We're much more consistently Tuesday night. |
| Andrew | I think it's because we're lazier on Sundays and Mondays. We've procrastinated. By the time we're recording on Tuesday, I've called out sick from work a few times to record on Wednesday. Right. |
| Everett | Yeah. So snow happened on Saturday night. |
| Andrew | Yeah, some Friday and then Saturday night was when we got the real heavy coverage. |
| Everett | And when we say heavy coverage, I think it was between four to six inches. 8.2 is the final count over the weekend. Yeah. So, so like four to six that first night and then, you know, Sunday was a joyful snow day with the kids and snowmen and then kind of got a little melty, you know, through the day as it does. And then came another two or three inches depending on where you were. on Sunday night. And so Monday, everybody was returning to work, but it was pretty, it was pretty bad. I didn't go into the office. In fact, we told our employees not to go in just because the risk is sort of unreasonably high for the amount of benefit, you know, we can only kind of work for home. So it's like, just stay home, do what needs to get done and just kind of chill, enjoy the day. |
| Andrew | It's the week between Christmas and New Year's anyway. |
| Everett | Like, what were you actually going to get done? The courts weren't really open. You know, it's like, okay, everybody chill. Stay home. This is a fun snow day. But today, kind of all systems go again. I had court this morning and I was nervous. I was nervous leaving the house because I, you know, drive famously, I think at this point, a very, very heavy V8 rear wheel drive car. |
| Andrew | Break right through the snow, through the ice and get right to that pavement. |
| Everett | And actually, sadly, that's not how it works. With that said, everything was fine. I got off our little narrow street onto the main thoroughfares and everything was fine. It was snowing when I was driving to work and I was thinking, oh, this is bad. And in fact, some of it was sticking. The bridges were still a little slippery, but by, you know, by the time I was out of court, you know, close to lunchtime, it was like totally fine. And now We're completely through it. I'd say primary roads are totally safe to travel, even, even our, even our street that has, you know, four or five cars on it per day is trash chucks came through today. Totally clear. Yeah. Totally fine. Clear. Everything's totally fine. So back to normal, I guess for better or worse. Yeah. Uh, even though mentally I'm not quite there yet. |
| Andrew | No, it's cause we're still looking out and seeing snow covered everything. |
| Everett | Yeah. Yeah. Uh, but yeah, Other than that, good. I've had a successful, like, two weeks of court appearances. Won the cases I need to win. Settled the cases that I wanted to settle. Like, it was just like, everything's sort of going the way it should. |
| Andrew | Which is... Banging on all cylinders. |
| Everett | Yeah, yeah. Banging on all... It's a little boring, right? It's more... |
| Andrew | Exciting my job is so fucking good. |
| Everett | I'm just like bored of this. My job is more exciting when shit's going wrong Which is not to say I want that but it can be a little bit more Exhilarating from day to day. |
| Andrew | I'm just gonna start going into your office and stealing briefs and that's gonna please do not do that I will get this part. |
| Everett | Uh, Andrew, how would you get this part? You're not doing anything wrong, you know security of files but burglaries that happens It has happened |
| Andrew | Andrew, how are you? Good. You know, it's the same snow day experience, but, uh, yeah, I'm just worn out. I think that this, I don't know what it is about snow being on the ground. It just turns kids into wild animals because it could be raining and I would be in a very different position. Although I would have also spent the last three days at home inside my house with my kids. They just go bananas when there's snow on the ground. |
| Everett | Yeah, I think there's like some frenetic energy and just everything's just different enough that it sort of gets them out of any sense of routine. |
| Andrew | And so there's a real thing there. Yeah. So just a little bit of a crazy weekend, but other than that, good. Just, you know, we're doing a, we're trying to plan out the next like two years of vacations because that's something we're not good at is making time to take trips. So this year we're going to, we're going to have an executive retreat. We're going to leave our kids with our parents. We're going to stay at a hotel for like a night and a day and do like a full two years of planning of like just all the shit that you need to plan in life for our, our executives retreat. And, um, but tonight we were doing some vacation spit balling and trying to figure out what we want to do for the next couple of years, which is fun. It's fun to like think about all the things that you want to do. It's less fun to look at how much those things would cost. And as an example, I really would like to do a interior of Alaska, not obviously the interior of Alaska, but the interior cruise trip. And we wanted, we were talking about a Disney cruise because we're going to take kids. Disney cruises are not cheap. And they're not cheap relative to other cruise lines. Out of like Galveston, you go to the Caribbean, it's like $5,000 for a six night cruise. For the family of four. |
| Everett | Yeah. That's good. That's probably twice that much for Disney Alaska. |
| Andrew | Yeah. |
| Everett | Yeah. That's what that was. I was going to estimate 10 to 12. |
| Andrew | Yeah. So the, the concierge rooms on the, on the Caribbean treks are like 12,000 for the family of four. It's $40,000 for the Alaska trek. And I don't fully understand why. |
| Everett | I mean, I think it's probably partially supply and demand. |
| Andrew | It's there, but I mean, there's a lot more people cruising South and I get that. And as a non-tropic enjoying person, I understand that there will be like one vacation a decade for me. I was just hoping that this would be the one. |
| Everett | Yeah. Yeah. Well, you could do that. I mean, that's in the range of something. $40,000? |
| Andrew | Oh, no. |
| Everett | $40,000 is not in the range of what you could do. I don't think. I mean, I'm not going to tell you what you can't do. I shouldn't do that. |
| Andrew | No. It's like you as my friend, like not a financial advisor, should be like, hey, man, you shouldn't do that. I know where you live. I know generally what you make and that would be an irresponsible decision. |
| Everett | Yeah. I mean, I don't know if it'd be irresponsible. I just think you could get the same amount of joy for a lot less money. |
| Andrew | Yeah. I think I'd get more joy arguably and less COVID just going to like a resort in Alaska. Yeah. But yeah, so that was our night. We just, you know, we, we finally got the kids to go away and go to sleep and then started looking at vacations and it's fun. I like going on vacation. |
| Everett | Yeah. I want to go on vacation. I want to go somewhere warm right now. I really want to go warm places in February. I've got to start making that a priority that we go somewhere warm in February. |
| Andrew | This is my jam, this weather. I could do this six months out of the year. I'd prefer a little colder, like 20 to 30 degrees is like my, that's my happy place. |
| Everett | You know what I realized my happy place is? 75 and sunny. This is a realization I made really recently, but I was sort of like thinking about Like if I could have a once a year or even twice a year vacation, what is the thing, you know, if I was a vacation twice a year, I'd go do all sorts of crazy stuff. But if I could distill it down to one thing that I'd really like to have, like you won't, you have to make choices. You get one thing, one spot, not one spot, one thing. I think the thing I wanted. Swim up bar. Is a swim up bar. My man. I want a swim up bar. And that is really boring, and judge me at home if you want, but that is my favorite thing when I go to Mexico or Hawaii. I love to get in the pool, be in some swim trunks, looking at boobies, yeah, and drinking beer at a swim up bar. Safely, with consent, looking at boobies. I don't know if you can look at boobies with consent. |
| Andrew | You got sunglasses on, it's like. |
| Everett | Not anything overtly uh, inappropriate. |
| Andrew | I have exceptionally dark shaded sunglasses and they're also reflective. Ain't no way you can see where I'm looking and my peripherals are good. |
| Everett | Uh, but yeah, you know, uh, as much as I think we could do a non vacationers guide to vacationing podcast, we are here today to talk about watches. We've got a full episode. We do. We, we've burned 10 minutes. God. |
| Andrew | Yeah. I'm sorry guys. |
| Everett | Thank you for your patience. That's the most consistent criticism of our shows. They waste six to ten minutes of the beginning of every episode on bullshit. |
| Andrew | Sorry. You're coming here to drink and hang out with us. This is what you get. |
| Everett | Crack a beer, have some Legoblin and or a glass of milk. |
| Andrew | Why not? |
| Everett | Let's roll. Yeah. Let's roll. We're talking about watches. We're going to do, we're sort of going to continue our theme of kind of rolling with it. We were a little bit more topical this week than we were last week. We're going to talk about some interesting stuff that we saw in the watch world. You know this is sort of a dead zone for new watch releases. |
| Andrew | Yeah. |
| Everett | Right now we're not getting a lot of stuff from the players. Microbrand releases seem to be a little bit lowly. |
| Andrew | So people are disinclined to come on for interviews when they're on holiday. |
| Everett | Right. So so watch watch news as it were is a little skinny right now. That's OK. I feel bad for the folks that actually have to produce content because it seems like it might be a struggle. |
| Andrew | They're doing the same shit we are, but they're just talking about a lady colored watch. I don't understand why she got a color, but. |
| Everett | There's a lot of like. King James is wearing one. The nice thing about this part of the year is there's a lot of opportunity for best articles of the year, best, our favorite watch releases of the year. And of course we could do that and we have done many iterations of that, but. Um, this week we're going to talk about amongst other things, kind of what our expectations are and our hopes and our dreams for 2022. Yeah. 2022 and sort of infinity and beyond, right? Like 2022 trends and maybe, you know, 2023, et cetera. So, um, start maybe, maybe we can talk about some stuff that we did. You, I read a super fun article. You sent me a fun article. I really liked it. I hadn't read it yet. |
| Andrew | It's an old article. It's not new. It's from May of this year. |
| Everett | I think it got re-released. Yeah. A Hodinkee article. |
| Andrew | It's a Hodinkee article. It's an interview written piece. The full story of the Pulp Fiction watch. And everyone knows the watch that I'm talking about. Everyone can imagine it in their head. Nobody's imagining the same watch as I am because you get this kind of brief glimpse at this watch, but this watch creates this idea and it's kind of the idea that I carry with me in watch collecting. By the time I buy it, I'm, I'm not ever going to sell it and I'm willing to store it within me in order to keep it safe. Why I like small watches just for the record. Uh, but so, um, John Buse. John Buse. Yeah. He sat down with the guy with the prop master from Pulp Fiction and learned the story of the acquisition of the watch and then the disposition of the watch. And it's just it's a fun article that talks about the kind of the ins and outs like this very culty, very weird community that exists around Pulp Fiction. And the whole article is from this prop master who's like, yeah, I went and spent, I don't know, 20 bucks on this watch at a pawn shop. And then Bruce Willis was like, I want a spindle on it or a spidel on it. Yeah, he wants a Twistoflex. Because for some reason Bruce Willis, that's the watch, that's the brace that he liked on his watches at the time. |
| Everett | Yeah, I think that maybe it was, I think he thought that that was what Butch would wear. I think that maybe that butch butch would wear a twist and it's a really genius decision. It's one of those things that I only appreciate as a watch guy. Um, I, I'm sure before I was a quote unquote watch guy, I didn't really appreciate it. That was just, I remember distinctly thinking that's that weird bracelet that my dad wears on his shitty Fred Meyer watch. I even before I was a watch guy, It occurred to me, that's that same bracelet my dad wears on all of his shitty departments for watches. |
| Andrew | I'd pay almost, I mean, I'd pay an unreasonable amount of money for a box of those ranging in size. |
| Everett | And Butch is my dad. And Butch is, I mean, like in many, many respects. Probably not fully. Not fully, but in many respects, like the guy Butch was, I mean, my dad's not anywhere near as tough or as badass or as noble as Butch was, but in many respects, the same. Good thing just our moms listen. The same guy. I love you dad. If you're listening, you're not and that's okay. You know, it's like such a clear, it's such an obvious but poignant and well thought out detail. |
| Andrew | Yeah. And, and, and kind of an unusually well thought, thought out detail for, I think it's just, I think it was just, just the word I'm looking for is, is escaping me. Great coincidence that it's this really cool, like or logical, thing within the movie. And that movie, there's still message boards and forums and Reddit lines discussing and arguing the movie of Pulp Fiction. I mean, there are people who think that the movie shouldn't exist because John Travolta was actually dead during the entire movie because of the suit color he was wearing. There's some conspiracy theories around this movie, because it's not, it's not linear. It's a really, I mean, you guys have seen Pulp Fiction. You know what I'm talking about. It's phenomenal. |
| Everett | So the prop master guy named John, John Hodges, this fella who has worked on a ton of shit, um, you know, kind of a, kind of a, one of these famous prop master guys, um, really sort of, uh, in a almost, almost, but not quite disappointing manner. demystifies the watch. And he says several times in this interview, you know, this was before, this was before the internet. |
| Everett | You know, I remember AOL chat rooms at the time and yeah, you know, that's, that was the world that people lived in. You know, this watch, if it was in a movie today, would instantly be identified and criticized. You know, I'm thinking of, uh, Brad Pitt's watch in, uh, Fury. No, no, the gold citizen chronograph, bullhead chronograph. Oh, yeah. Anyway, you know, that watch like the month that movie comes out, people are like that watch didn't come out until 10 years after this movie, the setting of this movie or whatever the time period was, you know. |
| Andrew | Meanwhile, there's whole Instagram people with hundreds of thousands of followers whose only function is to identify the watch on the on the wrist of a celebrity. That's right. But yeah, so the Internet's not there. They choose it. It's this, it's this weird, like it's not meaningful. That's kind of the sad part about the prop decision. It's just, it's just a watch. So he found in a pawn shop for like 20 bucks and butch risked his life for it. But that's kind of what's beautiful about it is that watch was, that's what it meant to him. Cause you know, it lived in somebody's keister. |
| Everett | And so what we do know, it's a Lancet trench watch, pretty small round pocket watch form factor with, with braised or, or soldered. wire lugs. And he just loved the whole aesthetic of it. And, and it's such a non watch guy decision, um, which I think should be disappointing, uh, or I'm inclined to want to be disappointed, but, but I'm just not, I find the whole, the whole story of this thing, charming, it looked right. And so they went with it and that was okay in whatever, 1990 to whenever it came out whenever eight or whatever might have been later than that Yeah, I think it was that in any event. It's like How we chose props before the internet assholes. |
| Andrew | Yeah gate power for neckbeard ruined it, right? And Quentin Tarantino has the watch or had to the watch after production Yeah, so should should they ever do an Al Capone style divestment of Quentin Tarantino's estate? I will pay how much do you think that watch would go for? I don't know, Pulp Fiction's got a weird following. Either $100 or $50,000. There's no in between. |
| Everett | I'm thinking $50,000 is the floor on that. It's one of the most famous watches in the world. It's not a Newman Daytona, right? In terms of its actual qualities as a watch. It's probably a junker, right? Probably has a shitty movement. It's probably barely working. It probably doesn't work. The prop master says it's almost certainly not actual gold. He thinks it's plated. Yeah. |
| Andrew | Um, but he didn't know cause he was like, I don't know. Here's this watch Bruce. |
| Everett | So it's a shitty watch with that said, it's probably one of the, you know, 10 most famous watches certainly in Hollywood. |
| Andrew | Yeah. I mean it has a whole monologue dedicated to it. That's why this article was fun. I mean this is, that's like an important, I think that scene is an important, part of urology and a part of like the modern watch zeitgeist. And in reality, that watch doesn't mean shit. |
| Everett | So what's next? You sent me this three watch collection here. Um, and, and I think it's interesting. Uh, but I, I, I kind of, I'm curious to hear. So, so just to set this up, uh, worn and wound has done several of these reader edition X watch collections for X dollars. Um, this is a three watch for $5,000, which I can't believe I'm going to say this, but seems like a pretty reasonable number to me where I sit now. Um, it's, it's more money than, I mean, it's, it's more money than I have certainly spent on multiple watches, but it doesn't seem like a crazy number. |
| Andrew | No, no. So what I liked about it was it was very similar to our watches, like our four Rolexes for the price of a Rolex episode. And that's kind of what I got from this. A three watch collection for $5,000. You're not going to get a Rolex for $5,000. |
| Everett | And so this is from a Worn and Wound reader, Eric Shen at Instagram, at the watch goodie bag. And he sort of came up with this collection. This came out on Christmas Eve. It's on Worn and Wound. |
| Andrew | Take me through this. So I was intrigued by the choices he made because I felt like it was very much the choices that we would make. |
| Everett | Similar, yeah. |
| Andrew | Very similar. Now, there's one kind of flyer, but he starts with the Grand Seiko. It's the best flyer. Yeah, right? It's a watch I'd never pick, and that was kind of what fascinated me about this. I was like, yup, nope, yup, and I kind of scrolled back up, and I was like, maybe yeah, though, with what else you're working with. So he starts at the Grand Seiko SBGX261, ringing in at $2,200, and I think Grand Seiko in the... I think Grand Seiko gets lost. And I don't fully understand why, because Grand Seiko has a huge line, ranging from, we're air-quoting, affordable here. You know, we've got that $2,000 range to, you know, titanium. |
| Everett | I don't think... $2,000 9F quartz, which is what they've picked. So this is the, what, SBGX? |
| Andrew | Yeah, the SBGX 261. So you've got the 9F quartz. You're going to need more for some spring drive. Yeah, a lot. But the finishing on these Grand Seiko watches is some next level business. |
| Everett | Andrew, I've got to stop you. |
| Andrew | Because I don't understand what just happened. |
| Everett | This beer is so good. What is this? McKenzie Brewing Company, which is a tiny, tiny, shitty little brewery in Eugene, Oregon. So you will not be able to find it. You might not even find it out of Lane County. Yeah, Henry, you can find this. Everybody else who listens to us, you won't be able to find it. It's at Walmart right now, Henry. It's called the Heatmiser Winter Ale. It's a big beer, 7.8%. It doesn't drink like it, though. It does not. This is delightful. |
| Andrew | Yeah. It's very much like that hoppy, wintry red, kind of drinks like a like not quite an IPA, but north of a pale, really full-bodied kind of brown, ambery flavors, really dark chocolate. |
| Everett | Dark chocolate. Yes. That's what I'm picking up. Dark chocolate. I'm picking up. Yeah. Okay. Anyway, carry on. |
| Andrew | Grand Seiko gets lost. Grand Seiko gets lost. I think we talk about affordables and I think we get, you know, north into like the Manta range and then we skip this whole segment of Grand Seiko to move on into Tudors and we move on into, and I think, you know, Tudor and Grand Seiko, but I don't think they ever really get compared. |
| Everett | But, you know, that tracks with other watches in that range. You know, Manta, for instance, Manta, Norcane, that is the segment, I think, right now, that's providing us some of the most interesting orology. And Grand Seiko's probably the biggest sort of non-Swiss entity in that space right now. Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. It's just a weird segment. It's a weird segment, but it's also... It's too much for an average Joe. Sorry to interrupt you. It's too much for an average Joe, but not enough for the guy with too much money and doesn't know what to do with. |
| Andrew | Yeah, it's not enough for the guy who wants to buy a Rolex and has, you know, the five grand to pay MSRP for a Rolex and gets, you know, Rolex secondhand. It's just it's a weird segment. I think Grand Seiko is really overlooked in this. I want to buy my first kind of expensive watch. And I think you're, I think that's a reasonable price point to buy your first expensive watch that 2000 to $3,000. You're looking at, you know, there's, there's a dozen brands that have that there. And I think Grand Seiko gets often forgotten about in that conversation. |
| Everett | So big sport, big Grand Seiko sport watch with the nine of courts, dig it, dig it. |
| Andrew | That's the one that's, that's what he's calling the everyday. I'm going to skip number two to go on to number three. We have the Casio G Shock GWN 5610-1. Shocking. |
| Everett | A hundred bucks. It's the watch. This is the watch. Yeah. $5,000 collection of a 5610. $400 collection of a 5610. It's the fucking watch, man. |
| Andrew | Everyone should have one. Also, you can buy the $10 reducers and put any strap you want on it. I wear mine on the Havest and General Service. Money. Looks killer. Here's the one that kind of threw me. It took you a minute. It took you a minute. It grew on me, right? It was one of those slow burns. Like, let me go back to it a second time. Like, okay, okay, I'm starting to feel it. The oris artillery a ground loon or artillery or grand loon. Grandi. So I believe it's pronounced grande. Oh yeah. Oh yeah. Grande. He says, every three watch collection needs a dress watch. And this 36 millimeter time piece from Oris is perfect to fill the role. Now, when I first saw it, I didn't realize it was 36. And I was also kind of like, Hmm. |
| Everett | Yeah. Cause you see that, you see that bracelet. It's got like a beads of rice bracelet. It's like, this is going to be 42 minutes. It's not a dress watch. |
| Andrew | Yeah. It's got the, yeah, the flat beads of rice. It's got a, it's got a sun moon complication. Uh, I'm just like, whatever. And I go back to read it and I'd never seen this watch. And I look at this watch and I'm like, Oh fuck. Oh, Actually, I really like this. I don't know if it's the watch for me, but I really like it. It's the kind of thing that I would like look at, like with my phone obscured from other people's view kind of thing, or like make sure that the volumes all the way down to look at pictures of it. Cause it's, it's that kind of guilty pleasure watch. It's something I would never wear, could never wear. I think I'd feel self-conscious wearing something like that. Cause of the sun moon complication, but God, beautiful. It's decadent. Yeah, decadent's the right word. Just luxurious goodness. |
| Everett | This thing would look killer on Black Croc. Oh yeah. Like a really fucking shiny, reflect the light Black Croc. |
| Andrew | Super stiff, like almost can't bend it around your wrist Black Croc. Yep. Just one hole long enough to get it under the second keeper. Yeah. Yeah, so I thought it was a fun interpretation of the Three Watches for $5,000. And I thought he picked bangers for the prices. |
| Everett | Yeah, I think this is kind of an interesting approach to the Three Watch. It's the right approach, though. |
| Andrew | Well, there's no right or wrong, but it's... Well, no, there's wrong. There's wrong approaches. But this is... I mean, you need a banger. You need something that you're able to swing a hammer in and not be like, |
| Everett | You know, I was reading this, you sent this to me earlier and I was reading through it and I thought, you know, Auris is what non-watch people think Tissot is. Yeah. Auris is actually that fucking brand. They're sick. They're high quality. They're almost more so than any mid-tier Swiss company. Nailing dimensions. |
| Andrew | Nailing details and never mind innovation. They're one of the few Swiss brands who's really like Swiss affordables who's Really really innovating not owning an oris. |
| Everett | I have in the last year become an oris fanboy I won't go that far. I think it really happened. I wind up like seeing you know oris We've talked about this on the show, but oris, you know just brings They bring the whole goddamn catalog and like hanging out of that oris table I was like This brand, this is the goods, man. This is good. AJ Barse, if you're listening, shout out to you. This is the goods. All right. Hopes and dreams. |
| Andrew | Do you have anything you want to talk about from this week? |
| Everett | No, no, I actually really loved. So I had, I had independently seen that, uh, that, uh, Pulp Fiction article, but yeah, no, um, I'm totally happy with that. |
| Andrew | Okay. Let's talk about our hopes and dreams. Because we got some. Yeah. And this is, it's the end of the year. As you're listening to this, I believe it's 2022. Nope, you're gonna, it's not yet. It's not yet. So you can also join us in our hoping and dreaming for 2022. We're getting really close though, you guys. Yeah. The end is nigh. Tomorrow is Christmas Eve for you as you listen, not for us. |
| Everett | New Year's Eve. New Year's Eve. We're not drunk, you guys. We've just started drinking. I'm not focused. |
| Andrew | I see Christmas lights. It's snowing. I still want Christmas. |
| Everett | So we did the thing where we sort of exchanged ideas about what we want to talk about. I think you're generally a little bit more specific than I am. |
| Andrew | Which is fine. I just had, I was trying to sell you this idea of why I wanted it to, why I wanted to talk about it. |
| Everett | And I loved it. You, you got me there. You got me there. So I'm known for that. I think I'd like to start with something kind of specific. The one sort of specific thing that I have hopes and dreams for. Perhaps not, perhaps 2022 is unrealistic, but I'm excited about what we know is going to happen in 2022. And I'm excited for what that means moving forward. So, um, the reason this has been on my mind is, um, talking to some micro brand folks. I understand that several micro brands are going to release watches in 2022 that utilize the FTS, or I think it's fine time pieces, the makers of the Ameriquartz movement. Is it the McDowell time or is it the... No, so... That's another brand. That's another brand. So there's a company called FTS USA and they make an Ameriquartz, which is an American-made quartz movement that's showed up in tons of watches. Um, in the last, in the last Walt Walden, um, minute man watches, many, many brands are using the AmeriCorps there is using AmeriCorps. It's a American made courts movement. Uh, that same company is now, uh, selling a movement that they're referring to as the AmeriCron, which is a mechanical three hand Automatic, you can get it with date, no date, and an open heart. 7A20, 7A21, and 7AC0. This is, as far as I know, an original design, or at least, you know, has enough variation on existing designs to be called original. It's a 28,800 beats per hour movement. pretty average accuracy, minus 10 to plus 30, 40 hours of power reserve. Uh, I think, uh, they're saying greater than 250 degrees amplitude. Um, you know, this is, it's a really basic movement. They're not cheap. They're priced higher than a Miyota 9,000 and less than a Salida. So this is sort of a mid range microbrand movement is what this is. They're built in the USA at this point and not made in the USA. And I've got my finger quotes up when I say that. I think that they're making, I think that they're partnered with Tata out of India. And so Tata is manufacturing some of the parts, if not most of the parts. But I believe the goal on the Amerikron is to eventually have manufacturing in the United States. There's also another company Uh, there's also another company, I think it is the Maryland watch works out of Hagerstown. That's got a edit 2824 clone that they're fully assembling with Swiss parts in Maryland and Hagerstown. So in this last year and a half, we've seen two companies really sort of leaning into this. Um, if If FTS is able to get the American Made label, it will be the first production American movement in like 50 years. I think since Bolivar. Yeah. |
| Andrew | Bolivar? Probably Hamilton. |
| Everett | One of those two. So it's been 50 years since we've had a production American, you know, there's RGM, RMG, RGM. and then also Cameron Weiss, but they're doing a different thing. This is a production American... Anyway, the point being... There's also that guy in Seattle. I've got hopes and dreams for a return to production American watchmaking, and it seems to me like we're on the precipice. Now, this may fizzle, I don't know, but if we've got a $90... That's what I'm hearing right now. $90 per unit for a run of Americron movements. If they can continue that with American manufacturing, even if that goes up, say 20%, that's a totally viable, that's a totally viable micro-brand movement. Now $100 for a movement's not a, you're not gonna see like truly affordable entry-level watches, but $1,000 watches, abso-fucking-lutely. |
| Andrew | Oh, yeah, absolutely. I think the problem is with when then you run into for the American specific watch market, we just don't have the, um, the density of production for all the other components. But if we're, if we've got movements though, then it could draw everything else for movements. |
| Everett | That's right. That's if, if you want to make an American made movement today, it is, or an American made watch today. Excuse me. It's impossible. If I have a movement, I can make a crown. |
| Andrew | Yeah. |
| Everett | Give me one of those mini lathes. I'll do it. |
| Andrew | It's not going to look good. It sure won't, but it'll do it. That's right. |
| Everett | I mean, we're, we're really right there. And the final piece is, you know, I think like hairsprings and rubies and those, but it's maybe something else. |
| Andrew | Rubies are easy. |
| Everett | I mean, I mean those are easy. Theoretically, but we're still not able to do that today from what I can, from what I can tell. I think it's a cost thing. |
| Andrew | Yeah. It's just not viable market because it's so affordable other places. |
| Everett | So 90 bucks, 90 bucks cost on these movements. I'd say our threshold is probably 150, 160% of that before this is a, before this becomes something that's not realistic for microbrown watch and, and $150 movement. Yeah. To a manufacturer is a $300 movement to you. And that's before you get, hands. That's before you get a crystal movement dial case. So 150 is 300 to you plus a watch. You're looking at, you know, floor of probably about 800 bucks on this watch. If it could happen. And I'm making this number up. I made 150 up. It's $90. |
| Andrew | What I understand is people are paying 90 bucks for this watch, but for the eight to thousand, like 800, a thousand dollar range, it's there for all American made. |
| Everett | If they could get there, it's there. So I'm excited. That's my first hope and dream. What about you? |
| Andrew | You know, my first hope and dream? Tell me. I hope our supply chain gets sorted out this year. You mean the general? Yeah, just I hope that we're not running into the, well, eventually we're going to get our shit anymore. I want to see supply chain stabilization, not just in, in supply chain shipping. I want to see watch brands be a little bit more responsible with their supply chain management. I don't want to see a big drop in March and then ghost until September. Yeah. And I know it's expensive. I know it's expensive, but owning a brand is expensive. |
| Everett | I can tell you I've got firsthand experience with a brand new micro brand startup and it has taken 150 days roughly for this brand to get a prototype. And for 45 of those days, there have been pictures of most of the watch and the prototype is still not finished. So there is something happening, not just to this brand, to all micro brands, where things coming out of China are happening extremely slowly right now. |
| Andrew | And we're coming into the time of year where it's going to hit the brakes. It's going to get worse. For another fucking quarter, for a fiscal quarter. It's going to get worse. And I want to see Part of that I understand is COVID. But I want to see brands get a little bit more nimble and deliberate in their supply chain management. I understand that there's a significant investment in sitting on inventory. Sitting on inventory is very expensive. But if I can only buy your watch twice a year within 48 hours or less of it being released, that's bothersome to me. And I hope I just want to see some stabilization of that. |
| Everett | Yeah. And, and I think we're starting to see some of that happen, right? We're seeing brands like Laurier. Yep. Uh, with stable inventory, starting to have stable inventory, mostly, I mean, not all the, not all the offerings, not every SKU is stable, but other brands, Traska, Brew can't make watches fast enough. So these, this, you know, the, the downside to, what we all love about micro brands, which is I can get it. Well, I think, I think what I love about micro brands is that they do interesting things. Micro brands are by and large doing interesting things. The downside to that I think is under capitalization, right? Christopher Ward can make 4,000 watches and afford to sit on 3000 of them and a four. Yeah. Hopefully they're not sitting on that many, but, but they could and they can. |
| Andrew | Yeah. And I understand Traska can't do that. I understand Beru can't do that, but to sit on 50 seems reasonable. |
| Everett | You know, I was looking at Christopher Ward's website one day and just sort of trying to play with the numbers. And I estimate that at any given time they've got between a million and $3 million in stock. Yeah. So, you know, if like, if I want Jason Lim to be able to provide me four watches or five watches at once, that means Jason Lim probably needs to have half a million to a million dollars of floating capital in his business. And I'm not sure that that's realistic for most of these companies. |
| Andrew | No, no, no, no. And I fully recognize that it is not. But there's got to be some, there's a trade off there. I want to be able to buy your watches more than twice a year. And I think what's really chapped me about this has been the Smith's releases. And with that, I've gone to buy a couple other analogs that are just not available. And they haven't been available for months and they won't be available until spring. You can, it's, it's hard to manage a brand two days a year. |
| Everett | Yeah. You know, it's interesting. It's an interesting sort of dynamic too, because I think it's like flying a plane, right? Where if you turn left, your plane wants to, you slow down and you lose elevation. So you've got to increase your speed or you've got to, you know, increase the pointy uppy aspect of your flying. It's called pitch. That's the word I was looking for. You know, you've got to change other things, right? And I think making watches is maybe got some, you know, we hear, we, me and you hear often a criticism of a brand like Laurier, which is that they have, well, they only have one watch. I hear that often. That's fucking stupid. Well, okay, so hold on. It's a reasonable criticism. It's a reasonable criticism. Their watches are very similar. They're cousins, siblings even. That's right. And they are not introducing two different new watches per year. But what they have done is they've created five or six really excellent watches that basically you can get anytime you want now. So they've controlled their ordering, they've controlled their development to a point where now they have set inventory And to the extent that they are able to, they can have conservative growth and development. |
| Andrew | And an LEU release. I mean, that's a big move, which isn't possible without stability. |
| Everett | You know, what, a four or five-year-old company at this point? Maybe? |
| Andrew | Six, maybe? |
| Everett | And they're now at the point where I think that we can start to see them, to the extent they want, you know, spread their wings a little bit more. I do think that the criticism that they only have watches is wrong in several really important respects. Yes. With that said, there is some truth to those criticisms, as any criticism, and it's a trade-off, right? If a brand is going to make two completely brand new different watches every year, the watch from 2019 that you really want is probably not going to be available to you. |
| Andrew | It's never going to come back. And there's no brand identity. There's no design language. We don't want more Invictas popping up. Invicta is just fine as it is. It doesn't need competition. |
| Everett | Can you imagine? I want to start a watch company and I want to compete with Invicta. |
| Andrew | Yeah. I have 7,000 SKUs. You know, I want companies like Laurier to exist where they've got five flagships. I like the LE that they did. I'd like to see them infuse those flagships with the occasional, not, maybe not full limited, but hey, we're going to do 500 of these. Our full inventory is still available. We're going to do, you know, a fixed number of these, or we're going to pre-order this watch and we're going to do it once. |
| Everett | You know, Nick Harris said something to me once, and I'm going to segue straight into my next hope and dream here. Nick Harris said something to me once, Nick Harris of Orion watches. |
| Andrew | Oh, name dropping. |
| Everett | You know, I was hanging out with my homie Nick. We were in a Facebook live chat. And he said, you know, the world doesn't need more watches. What the world needs, what the watch world needs, I think is what he meant, is more truly passionate and inspired design. Yes. And it struck me. It struck me for several reasons, some of which I'm not going to talk about today. But it struck me because I think that we as enthusiasts get lost in the sauce sometimes. We criticize Laurier for not having enough design things happening. And Invicta for having too many. We criticize Invicta for having too many. At the end of the day, we don't need anything else. We want more things, and God bless you, I want more watches. Me too. But I want more good watches. I want more good watches. So my next hope and dream, this is kind of a two-parter, is that okay if I just sort of... You can double prong it. Yeah, yeah. So my next hope and dream is for some... I want, this maybe is not a 2022 dream, I want to see a return to the 70s era of really solid capital D design in watches. Um, I wrote down, I wrote down a couple of, of examples here to, to, I'll segue while you think I agree with that. |
| Andrew | Not segue. I will add on while you think I agree with that. I like the brands with it show up that say, you know, I just wanted the watch that I was going to like. The problem that I kind of universally have with that though, is liking something, and having ideas about what's going to look good isn't good sound design. It might work from time to time, but it isn't sound design that incorporates the whole scope of design. |
| Everett | Continue. Yeah, well, no, I think that that's, I think that you, you've nailed it, right? Um, the, the, I think that the problem we're seeing to the extent there's a problem, right? This is, this is sort of, you know, uh, first world problems as it were. The problem we're seeing in watches right now is this fracturing or this democratization, uh, term I've used on the show a number of times by only convinced Mike France to use. Right. But that's true. Uh, by unqualified, by unqualified experts, right? |
| Andrew | That is self-proclaimed experts, unqualified self-proclaimed experts. I'm going to include that word. I think it's important. |
| Everett | That's both joyful and difficult, right? Watch design is not science, right? We're not talking about epidemiology. We're talking about something that is inherently subjective. With that said, there's a reason that everybody knows the name Gerald Genta. And that's important. That's important. And I don't know that we're seeing that happening in watches right now. So I'm going to make a pitch. This is a purely hypothetical pitch. I'm not sure I actually want this thing to happen. The second coming of Gerald? But for instance, I'm not going to make any crazy statements like that. Okay. The thing you just said is crazy in light of the thing I'm about to say. Okay. Jason Lim at Hallios, yeah, is a truly and utterly underrated watch designer. Yes. Jason Lim at Hallios is also, I'm sorry, if Jason, you don't listen, I'm sure, I'm a hundred percent sure you don't listen, 99, but 1% if you do, I'm sorry, call me, we'll talk. Jason Lim is a fucking terrible businessman. I think the decisions he makes are mostly by choice. I think that he's comfortable with the way he does business. I don't think that he would change it if he could. Maybe, maybe certain aspects, but Jason Lim is a gifted watch designer. |
| Andrew | Yeah, I think he lives in a world of comfort and he's okay with it. I think he knows. I don't think you're telling him anything he doesn't know, Jason. You know. |
| Everett | So let's just say for instance, let's just say for instance, a company like Arken, Kenneth Lam at Arken, who made a beautiful, beautiful watch that struggled to sell. Yeah. I think that he did a lot of engineering and a lot of design. I'm going to, I'm going to use the quotes on that. Capital D design. And I think he missed, what if that guy takes his vision and goes to a guy like Jason Lim and says, Jason, this is my vision. Help me. And then fucking markets that watch as a Jason Lim design watch. This is totally spitballing right now, but- It's like a Giorgio. That's right. We need people who know what the fuck they're doing to help the rest of us, right? And I say us, I'm not a micro brand owner, but theoretically, if I were, that's an idea, right? I don't need to do all the work myself. I'm an owner. I'm a business guy. I've got a little bit of capital. I've got an idea. I need design, right? We need watch designers, and it's something that we do not have in the world right now. We have Galley Designs, which is doing wonderful things at Timex. We've got a very limited set of people doing design work, you know, on the open market, right? |
| Andrew | Well, and we see the people who are just flying by the seam of their pants. |
| Everett | Is it seam of the pants or seat of the pants? I've always thought seat. But pants have both seats and seams. |
| Andrew | No, I don't know. I vote seat. I will concur with you. You're smarter than me, I think. |
| Everett | But if it's seam, I'm going to feel like a real asshole. You are. Okay, you tell us. |
| Andrew | Seam or seat? You're a white knuckle driving it through. And we see these brands succeed. You know, we see we see Brew succeed. We see Notice succeed. We see Laurier succeed. And the reason they've succeeded is because their design worked. There are more micro brands that are flashes in the pan, more that don't fund, more that vanish than don't, right? And the ones that do succeed are because they were able to get that magic sauce of design for long enough to build a following, and then they can afford to have misses. And I love the guys at Notice, but some of their colors are misses. I don't think there's really any other misses from anyone else, but some of the colors at Notice are just like, who's buying that? But then they sell out, and it's like, well, fuck, I'm the asshole. But it's because we're just, I want to see more brands succeed because they're willing to ask for help. I don't want to see brands succeed just because they can continue to eat losses, because they have good VC, because they've got a wealthy owner, because they don't give a shit about building a successful brand. They just want to sell watches, which is cool, but I don't, I don't care about brands selling ugly watches. I want to see more cool watches. |
| Everett | I want to buy your cool watches. I said I was going to two-prong this one. That's the second part of this. I want to see more cool watches. So I think Arken was very close and maybe missed in some really subtle ways. |
| Andrew | I have trouble seeing the subtle ways. I think I didn't buy one because it wasn't for me, but I fucking loved that watch. |
| Everett | I love that watch. I love that watch. Serica 5303 came out this year. Ooh, yeah, dude. I hate the bracelet. God, I fucking hate the bracelet. I don't like the bracelet, but the watch, but the watch head itself is probably one of the top two or three watches that came out this year, in my mind. Concur. You know, it's hard to say that Hallios released anything this year, because it really didn't. It released things in, like, 2017 that people saw this year. But, God damn. You know, Hallios, everything. You know, what we're seeing is a few kind of a small amount of really cool watches. I want to see more really interesting watches. Those are the three that came immediately to mind. Don't, don't be mad at me if I didn't name your watch. Um, yeah, I want to see more cool watch design, which isn't loud. |
| Andrew | It's not, yeah. It's not the different. It's not, it's so subtle and delicate. And I think that's really the fascination for me. |
| Everett | I'm not going to rule out loud though. |
| Andrew | Loud is okay. Yeah, if you can put some speakers in this bitch, you're on to something. |
| Everett | I'm not ruling out loud. Like, for instance, the Royal Oak or the Nautilus, not to beat this drum, those watches were not traditional. But in some respects, they were loud. |
| Andrew | They landed, though, yeah. |
| Everett | They landed. It was beautiful. We need that. We need that. I may be not so subtly Advocating for Jason Lim to stop doing Hallios and to start designing watches for other companies and to make money that way. |
| Andrew | And selling them to people. You know? Selling his designs. Imagine how many designs he has in his sketchbook. He's got more money in that sketchbook than in the brand. |
| Everett | I mean, it's like if I'm a microbrand owner, I might go to someone like Jason Lim and be like, hey, you're a god in our industry. Let's do this, man. I need a design. I want to pay you. Let's make a fucking watch together. You know, I want to see that. |
| Andrew | Yeah, I want to see more well thought out designs. |
| Everett | Hopes and dreams. What do you got? I have to look. I mean, you sent me a lot of shit and I just babbled for hours. |
| Andrew | So hopes and dreams. I want to see a couple companies do some new releases this year that are different in the vein that we've talked about. I want to see a new one from brew. I, I, I think I even said on air that I was concerned about brew because everything he'd done to that point was so good. And I didn't know how he could maintain his momentum because he works in such a unique spectrum of the watch world. And then he had something new and it was a banger. I want to see something new from him. |
| Everett | You're excited to see something new, or you're lamenting that he hasn't? I think he's done a lot of new. |
| Andrew | I'm excited to see another new thing. I'm excited to see another new release. I'll share that. Another Laurier release. And they're partially on the hook. The Hyperion was very cool, but everyone did a GMT last year. So they don't get a full release from my, I want to see something new. I want to see something new from Laurier. |
| Everett | I'm not going to give them any credit for that watch. It's a beautiful watch. |
| Andrew | They get credit, but partial. partial credit. You guys are, we love you guys. We love you guys, but you're only getting partial credit for every new line because I want more from you. I want to see Manta step up this year and I think Manta can retain their dimensions to be able to do a 36 and maintain their bracelet because everything they do is based around that universal bracelet and being able to adapt to Everest straps. I think they can do it. I'm cool with that. And I want to see him do it. I want to see it. I want to see a 36 Monta this year. I want to see it. That's a hope. That's a hope. And I want to see some, some trending down of sizes this year. Shocking. I know no one saw this hope or 36. I want, I don't even care. I want more 38. So I want the 36 to 38 zone. |
| Everett | I want to see 37 and a half 38 divers. Like, like not, like not like not fake divers. I want to see 37 and a half divers. Yeah. 150, 200 meters. |
| Andrew | You can do it. It's, it's, it's not watches. It's totally manageable. And can I, can I give my two hot takes for what I think 22 is going to bring in hot takes, bring it. I think 22 is going to be the year of the chronograph in the micro world. I think people are, you're going to see a big utilization of the VK 64 and I think we said it was like three years ago. No, no, no. But I think we're going to see every micro brand dropping chronographs this year. Love it. And I think we're going to see a universal adoption of quick-release bracelets, which I know is maybe not that hot of a take. It's like a medium take, but I think it's a hot enough take because enough people aren't doing it. It needed to be said. It needed to be said. But I think we're going to see it. You said it. I think we're going to see it. |
| Everett | I'll second. |
| Andrew | And I hope we see it, but I expect that we will. A universal adoption of quick-release bracelets. It's just there's not There's no reason not to put it to a boat. How do you get it in there, though, is the real question. |
| Everett | Call back a fucking idiot. Thank you. Hey, I really appreciate you. |
| Andrew | Both of you guys, it's just like, oh, look, what are you fucking talking about? |
| Everett | All right, enough of watches, Andrew. Other things, other things. What do you got? I know what you got. I want some more of what you got. Give me what you got. Good. I don't know that that sound is as obvious as you think it is. |
| Andrew | I think it is. All right. Someone's coming in. So my other thing this week is, is somewhere between a novelty and not. And I think what's fascinating about it is it was, it is a novelty, but it's also serious. My other thing is the Lagavulin single malt scotch whiskey. Are we going to say Lagavulin? Lagavulin? I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. It is an 11-year Nick Offerman edition. So Nick Offerman famously was a Lagavulin, Lagavulin drinker in really his character that everyone knows Nick Offerman as from Parks and Rec. A brand ambassador for them. There is a Yuletide log where he just sits and drinks scotch next to the fire. |
| Everett | I've traveled the world and sampled many attempts at pleasing nectars. |
| Andrew | Yeah. So in some way he's partnered with them in this, and I don't fully understand why. I don't know his role in the development. I haven't been able to really suss that out if there even is, or if they, We're just like, hey, we'll pay you some money to be the ambassador for this brand. So it's the 11 year finished in Guinness casks and my wife got it for me for Christmas and I saw it. I was like, oh, this is fun. It's going to be pretty okay. Nope, better. It's terrific. It drinks just like the 16. It is smooth. |
| Everett | It's big. It's it drinks better than the 16. |
| Andrew | You think it's better than the 16? |
| Everett | I have specifically... I have 16 downstairs. We went side by side afterward. I have specifically, meaningfully withheld my opinion until this moment because you poured me a drama of this when we started recording. Yeah. And I had some and I didn't comment. I didn't say a word about it. You didn't. This is one of my favorite scotches I've ever had. It's terrific. It's peaty. It's balanced. |
| Andrew | So you like... I'm not a scotch taster. You got a good peaty nose. Right. You've got that very bright Petey nose. |
| Everett | It starts Petey. It starts Petey and finishes like milk chocolate creaminess. And I have never had a scotch like that. Never in the whole way. It's creamy. And you think that's a weird transition. Like you start with Pete and then you know, I love it. I'm not a scotch expert, so I don't know what I don't know. And maybe people are like, Oh, but I, in terms of my ability to enjoy scotch, this is like top two or three ever for me. I can't believe how good this is. It's killer. And I've really been waiting. I've been waiting. It's fun hour and two minutes and seven seconds to say that it's fun. |
| Andrew | It's a Nick Offerman edition. She got me one of the books that he wrote, uh, to, to sip on by the fire or to read while sipping on this by the fire. It's how much is this? I don't know. It was a Christmas gift. I don't know. We need to figure my guess is sub 100. It's probably like between 60 and 80 being an 11 year. I really want it to be 60. Let me look at it. Tell me your other thing and I'll interrupt you with the price. |
| Everett | Okay, so I've got another thing and this is both exactly like other things we've talked about on the show before and also totally different. So I've got a YouTube channel. It's called I did a thing and this is a fellow. What's her name? Uh, I did a thing. This is a fellow, he's an Australian guy and he makes YouTube videos, which are mostly sort of hands videos, but also, you know, like the hands building videos. He's a builder. He comes up with, so he has ideas on the show and he builds a video. He says, uh, I tested your most dangerous video ideas. Can I jump rope fast enough to stop the rain? I made the world's most powerful hammer. These sound like really boring titles. And when I say boring, not because those things are boring, but because I've seen a hundred YouTube channels exactly like this. If you're looking at the titles or even at the tiles, you might think, well, I don't know. This is kind of funny. I implore you, I implore you to watch any one of these videos. I can't remember which one it was, but about a month ago I sent you guys a video and said, this is maybe the greatest YouTube video of all time. Uh, I can't remember which one it is because at this point I've watched, I think all of his videos and I feel that way about all of them. But so I just, I just read you some titles and those are like meh, like, okay, I've seen that video. However, We've also got, we used an illegal COVID test from Wish. I made a hot tub for Australian birds. Where did he put it? World's largest Beyblade destroys a house. This evil man picks up girls from poor countries. That's a weird video actually. Don't watch that one. Ranking the weird Aussie animals in my yard. These videos are fucking hilarious he's both ridiculous it's all totally tongue-in-cheek and also real so the one i watched today i watched it with the kids because i thought it would be appropriate but it was turns out it wasn't no it was uh but it's the i tested your most dangerous video ideas in which he orders an oversized belt sand belt from a fellow who makes custom sized sand belts and affixes it to a treadmill and then runs on said treadmill uh and grinds most of the guitar away on the treadmill uh and other dangerous ideas including a sodium hydroxide i think activated heat package that heats up your hot dog anyway totally dangerous sounds like an mre yes yes yes ridiculous totally non-usable information right unlike most of the youtube channels that do this stuff The information that he provides in his videos is completely impractical, non-functional. |
| Andrew | I knew I shouldn't do that. Why are you doing it anyway? Yes. You don't have to sell me on not doing it. Also, he never wears shoes. |
| Everett | Because why would you in Australia? He never wears shoes in his videos, which I think is a shtick. He always wears the same apron that's, anyway, hilarious. Does he wear pants under his apron? I think maybe most of the time. I don't know. It's hilarious. So I did a thing. I sent you the link, so it'll be in the show notes. |
| Andrew | You did. I didn't fully understand it. And I watched some videos. I still didn't understand. |
| Everett | I was like, why did you send me this? You will not understand it. It's hilarious and amazing. And if you don't like it, I hate you. And if you do like it, I love you. |
| Andrew | And that's it. You're probably going to like it. You listen to us. |
| Everett | Yeah. If you listen to us and you think this is a reasonable thing to spend your time doing, I think you might like this as well. |
| Andrew | Yeah. 80 to 100 bucks. depending on the state you're in. |
| Everett | My scotch thing. Le Gavelin. Yeah. That's a lot. It's too much for me to have it be a casual drinker, but it is not so much that I couldn't have it for an occasional drinker. |
| Andrew | Yeah, I don't think I'd want this as a casual drinker. It's a little bit big for a casual drinker. Like Monkey Shoulder is kind of my like, I'm gonna have some scotch tonight. |
| Everett | Monkey Shoulder is cheap, terrible, awesome goodness. |
| Andrew | Or like Johnny Black. That's like a... I don't feel bad about pouring three fingers of it and pouring some out because I'm too drunk. |
| Everett | Johnny Black is two times the Scotch Monkey Shoulder. I was just saying. You're incorrect. I like Monkey Shoulder. I put Monkey Shoulder in the same world as Famous Grouse. I thought you were going to say in Coke. I was like, God, I fucking hate you. No, Famous Grouse. Famous Grouse, Monkey Shoulder, I put them in the same. Some people say Monkey Shoulder is way better and it might be. It is way better. |
| Andrew | It's objectively way better. |
| Everett | I don't know if that's true. |
| Andrew | No, it's objectively way better. It's not a subject like your opinion. It can be different. That's your subjective opinion, but you're, you're factually incorrect. |
| Everett | I've, I disagree with you. Okay. And we're going to be okay. |
| Andrew | This wall is blue. |
| Everett | It's not blue. Andrew, what else do you got today? I'm out of things, man. It's not the best time of day when we don't have anything else to talk about. Yeah. And now we're going to drink a bunch of heat miser winter ale as well as I've had two of my favorite drinks that I've had all year tonight. You're welcome. Purchased by you. Thank you, Andrew. You're welcome. Hey, guys. Thanks for joining us for this last episode of 40 and 20, the Watch Clicker podcast of the year 2021. You can, if you'd like, check us out on Instagram at 40 and 20 at Watch Clicker. Those are those are our Instagram pages. You can also check us out on our web page and you should. It's WatchClicker.com. We do articles and reviews, really a lot of good stuff. And you should just go there. If you want to support WatchClicker and 40 in 20, we hope you do. You can do so at WatchClicker dot, excuse me, that's wrong. Patreon.com slash 40 in 20. That's how we, honestly, you guys, that's how we afford all of our equipment, software, hosting and it's a lot of money it's increasingly a lot of money which always blows my mind and we're able to do it because you guys do occasionally say hey i want to support you so come on come on come join in you can get on the discord page and don't forget to tune back in next thursday for another hour of watches food drinks life and other things we like bye Oh, |