Episode 165 What‘s New?

Published on Wed, 22 Dec 2021 19:20:25 -0800

Synopsis

Andrew and Everett, the co-hosts of the "40 and 20" watch podcast, discuss various topics related to the watch world, including new releases from brands like Timex, Citizen, and Seiko. They share their thoughts on specific models, such as the Timex Giorgio Galli S1, the Citizen Series 8, and the Seiko gold cocktail time with a snowflake dial. They also touch on broader trends in the watch industry, like the resurgence of mechanical watchmaking in different parts of the world and the issue of limited edition watches being scalped on the secondary market. Additionally, they delve into non-watch-related topics, including cooking, TV shows, and music recommendations.

Transcript

Speaker
Andrew Hello, fellow watch lovers, nerds, enthusiasts, or however you identify. You're listening to 40 and 20, the Watch Clicker podcast with your host, Andrew. I'm a good friend, Everett. Here, we talk about watches, food, drinks, life, and other things we like.
Everett Everett, how are you? You know, just great. Ready, ready to talk about some watches, ready to do the watch things that we do every week.
Andrew Watches and periphery.
Everett Yep. I've got to travel in the morning, so I'm a little like like cracked out. Yeah. That's how that always goes. Um, but yeah, no, other than that, pretty good. It's like, uh, Christmas is in the air in the city.
Andrew It's Christmas time in the city.
Everett Yeah, yeah, exactly. Uh, it feels very Christmassy at Doth. Um, like my whole entire office is basically shut down right now. But for trial. But for my trial.
Andrew You really didn't do a good job scheduling that.
Everett Yeah. Well, so two, so two of our attorneys are out. Uh, one of the attorneys is like borderline retired and so he's just like boning it in this week. I work when I feel good. Yeah. Um, you know, staff is sort of in and out and so it's, it's just kinda, it's like a weird time. It's that weird time of year when everything just gets real quiet. I've got, I've actually got hearings on Thursday. So I've got trial on Wednesday hearings on Thursday and the courts are open, you know, until five o'clock Thursday afternoon. So my staff has decided that they're supposed to get two days off for Christmas. So they're all taking Thursday off.
Andrew They do get two days off for Christmas, Saturday and Sunday.
Everett That's what I said. That was not, that was not the winning argument. Um, yeah.
Andrew We complain about Chinese New Year taking time off. I know.
Everett Yeah. So, but no, I'm good. Yeah. How are you?
Andrew Good. I'm a little tired. I have, uh, I have irregular sleep as one would imagine on a, you know, almost intentionally disrupting my circadian rhythm. Uh, but also I just have had poor sleep for like the last 15 years.
Everett Is it circadian or circadian? Cause like, When you say circadian, I think of the bugs.
Andrew Is it? I don't know. I've never looked up the word. Yeah. Staccato rhythm. Uh, that's, that's the issue that I have. Proschetta. That's, that's a callback, right? Yeah. So this morning I woke up at 3am. Up. Not like, I'm awake, I'm gonna go pee, I'm gonna go back to sleep. No, I was like up. I looked at my phone cause I was like, man, I slept good. No. So I went and turned the fire on and laid on the couch and Fell back asleep about two hours later for 35 minutes. Brutal. I'm a little tired. Got a lot done today. Got like the last Christmas grocery shopping list or the trip done for all the groceries and stuff and just kind of had a plug out a day.
Everett How do you feel about pizza on Thanksgiving? On Thanksgiving? Christmas is what I mean to say. for the main meal on Christmas. How do you feel about that?
Andrew As somebody who, my last three meals, like not just three days, but like not three meals, but three days of meals have been pizza. I find it actually a little offensive.
Everett Well, maybe that's a, maybe that's a contemporaneous feeling. Uh, okay. I'm trying really hard to convince my wife that we should have pizza for our Christmas meal because it feels, like warm and comfy and happy and also incredibly easy.
Andrew There's that. I enjoy the cooking aspect though. Like I like Thanksgiving every year because I like to make 10 courses. Yeah. It's just, it's not realistic to do that for most meals throughout the year.
Everett Yeah. I like to cook, but I just have no interest in it right now. So maybe it's because I've got like so many things. Kim's like, what should we do about this? And I'm like, we should do absolutely nothing. Cause I've got to print exhibits.
Andrew Oh, yeah. No, I got all of our, all of our groceries in the menu done and yeah, I'm, I'm excited for it. All right. Well, my brother-in-law, his parents and all of their circle of friends used to go out to Chinese food every Christmas Eve. They would leave the kids at home, say bye kids and go out to Chinese food on Christmas Eve.
Everett One of my high school girlfriends, her, her family did Chinese food and a movie on Christmas. They were Jewish. That makes sense. Yeah. That was their jam though. These people were not Jewish. It was kind of awesome. I really enjoyed it. Yeah. Chinese food movie. And it was always like an awesome new movie.
Unknown Oh, way to go.
Everett I was like, I want to be Jewish.
Andrew Those are two of my favorite things any other day of the year.
Everett Uh, yeah. Yeah. That's that's where we're at. So you're underslept. I'm overworked and we're going to talk about watches. Yeah. We're going to talk about watches. A little change of pace. A little bit. We're just going to do sort of like a catch up on what's happening in the watch world today, I think. Yeah. See how this plays. See, I think that's a good way to do this. See how this plays. Yeah. Because we're here and we're going to do it. and then we're gonna publish it and you're gonna listen to at least some of it. If you made it this far you might as well just finish it. Right. Or at least listen until you've decided where it gets and you're done with us for forever.
Andrew And at that point you shouldn't be listening at this point because you decided that many times ago. What this is 170?
Everett Can I get us started? Do you think that's okay? So one of the things that happened in the last couple of weeks of watches that I think we've amongst ourselves talked about the most is Georgia Ghali released an S1 Timex in a new small case in a 38 millimeter case. I believe we've talked about the Ghali S1 on this show before.
Andrew I don't know if we have or not. I think we have, but I can't say for certain.
Everett We've at least talked about it in passing.
Andrew Yeah, it's been a peripheral at the very least.
Everett It's an absolutely gorgeous watch. It's a gorgeous watch. It's made by a company that we love. And unlike most of the Timex watches that we talk about, it's like a real watch.
Unknown Yeah.
Everett You know, and I say that not to suggest that other Timex's aren't real watches, but this is like a real sort of enthusiast watch, right? It's made with 316L steel, I believe, which is the first sign that this is something special.
Andrew Especially coming out of Timex, which when you say that it seems joking, but that's an uncommon material to use for Timex. So the fact that they're using 316L, Okay, here we go.
Everett We're on to something. It's got a four hertz of Miota 9000 series movement, like a legit four hertz auto. It's got a gorgeous movement. The 9000 is not in and of itself gorgeous, but this 9000 has Geneva striping, this beautiful, beautiful sort of gunmetal colored rotor with cutouts in it. Horizontal brush marks. fantastic looking case back uh 50 meters of water resistance which is pretty good for a timex you know i think that they could easily go 100 on this and i would be like yeah that tracks but this doesn't need it it's a dressy dressy watch beautiful beautiful can i say again beautiful dial colors yes i do not think i can overstate how much i love these dial colors, all of them are black and yet none of them are black, right? You've got this very dark navy, super dark olive drab and this wonderful, wonderful, wonderful charcoal.
Andrew One of the better greens on the market right now.
Everett I think so. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, and one of the better blues on the market right now, you know, it's that blue that's so dark that it's almost not even blue anymore. Reminiscent of perhaps a solar panel or whatever, right? Kind of, yeah. I don't think it is a solar panel, but just this beautiful, beautiful dark blue. And when you see these dials together, it's really easy to tell, oh, that's blue, that's charcoal, that's green. But by themselves, each of them sort of plays at that, I'm black, I'm a black dial, I'm a black dial. I really, really, really enjoy these watches.
Andrew It reminds me of the gem in the dial.
Everett Yeah, I think it's just a manufactured ruby at the six o'clock. And I don't know if you need that, but also if you told me at six o'clock there's a set ruby, in my mind I would say, I don't want that. But then when I see it, I'm like, oh yeah, I like that.
Andrew I'm agreeable to it. It almost looks like it should be like a brand logo or something, but it's just, It's kind of like a Movado-esque, just dropped in there. It's better executed than any of the Movado, just drop a gem in there. But I could do without. I don't think it takes away. I would like it more without.
Everett I think this, oh, you know, another thing you have to talk about, right, is that cutout on the case side. So there's something about the way they do this case. I think that the injection mold the case to create that skeletonized case set. I think that's maybe something that you're either going to love or you're going to hate.
Andrew It almost looks like a two-piece case, like perhaps it's screwing in because on that interior line of the skeleton, it almost looks like threads.
Everett It's threaded, yeah. And I don't know, it could be, which would be kind of neat. I think that this may be one of my favorite Timex's ever. It may be actually the nicest Timex ever made too. I mean, this may just be without any like, like a empirically speaking, the nicest Timex ever made.
Andrew It's a synthetic Sapphire.
Everett Yeah. It's like synthetic Sapphire Ruby. Yep.
Andrew That's, uh, I think, I think you're right on for it is the most refined, best thought out, Timex that's there.
Everett And when I say empirically speaking, obviously in, you know, the thirties and the forties, fifties, even Timex had very nice watches and relative to their peers, perhaps nicer than this is. Um, but that was 50, 60, 70 years ago. And so in context of what Timex has put out before this, you know, apples to apples, I think that this may be, you know, it's a Miona movement, which is a step in the right direction.
Andrew And a big step for Timex. Yeah. And 450 bucks?
Everett 450 bucks. Yeah. Anyway, I think that's the watch I'm most excited about.
Andrew You know, with that, I think I'll talk about what I've been pretty excited about. This year, Citizen dropped a new line a bunch of times. That's what they do. But what got me excited were the Series 8. And not everything out of the collection, because it's a whole lineup. But there are some watches in here that just get me going. What I like most about them is they, they kind of re imagine what they're going to do with their cases. They kind of, they transitioned away from the kind of fashion model that Citizen was heading toward. And I think that's something that Citizen has been struggling with. They do some very cool stuff, but
Everett You know, I think for my part, Citizen's always sort of playing that very, very safe game, right? Sort of like Timex or perhaps Seiko, but they do it in a more refined way. I think that we're looking at several companies. Longines, Citizen, Timex, notably Timex, Bolivar, are all sort of doing things right now that they just simply weren't doing 10 years ago, which is to say like really, really concentrating on a focused effort on that more enthusiast level consumer, the person that wants all the things, right. We're, you know, watch enthusiasts are like, fucking a citizen you did all these great things and then you screwed this part up right so we want to give you a complete watch we know you we know you enthusiastic and and demanding customer want to watch kind of like this and we know you're willing to pay for it as well so and this is beautiful this the whole line is great there's some bums there's some turds in the line but there's some killer watches in there and I think Integrated bracelets.
Andrew Yeah, which they've got bi-color kind of cut out inlaid cases, which usually wouldn't do it for me, but in the application here, it's singing for me. But with that, when you're talking about these brands that are kind of recognizing that enthusiasts represent a greater purchase opportunity, I think there's also the non-enthusiast having more access to information. They've got to do things that stand out. I think gone are the days of people going to the Macy's counter or the Fred Meyer counter. It's been like, that one's cool. I think, I think most people, when they go to buy a watch, go and make a relatively informed decision. They go to the counter knowing what they're going to buy because they don't have to shop at the counter anymore.
Everett I bet, statistically speaking, that's actually not true.
Andrew You think so?
Everett I still think.
Andrew Even in the year, in the, in the year of COVID when people couldn't go shop at the counter.
Everett I still bet. that 95% of all watches that are purchased, maybe more than that, 98% of all watches that are purchased are purchased with very little research based on a trip to a counter or, or perhaps an online, an online forum, but with very little energy into what, what watch they want. I think what we're probably seeing more and more is people saying, Is Vincero a good watch? And then finding sort of review farm analysis of Vincero that says, this is the best watch under $200 that anybody's ever made. And then they buy it. That's my guess. I do not think those people are becoming educated on watches prior to buying a watch.
Andrew And you think me, I am giving too much credit to the consumer? 100%. Yes. That's unlike me, but I will accept that that's a possibility. Yes. I 100% think that. But I think that there's got to be a reason bigger than enthusiasts that these big brands are capitalizing on the void that Seiko is leaving, that Timex is stepping up to fill that void, that Citizen is making transitions to fill that void, that Bulova has made some really significant releases this year, inconsistent with the last 20 years of Bulova releases. tending towards being better watch people watches.
Everett I think both things can be true without describing, without making, um, without making wide, you know, wide sort of over the top statements about the entire state of consumerism in the United States. I think that both things are true, which is that one enthusiasts are enthusiasts for things like watches and things like pocket knives, for instance. keyboards, you know, name your hobby du jour.
Andrew Of which we are all familiar because we are serial hobbyists and we suck.
Everett These people, our people, are more powerful than they've ever been. And when I say powerful, I don't mean, you know, in any sort of... With a bigger voice. That's right. That's right. And the average consumer is still exactly the same. In fact,
Andrew And we're doing a lot of their marketing for them and market research for them.
Everett The Citizen Series 8, the one that I like the most is the 870. It's a $1,500 watch. It's a Miona 9000 with a $1,500 price tag on it. It's beautiful. It's integrated. It's a true steel sports watch. It's what you want. This is an enthusiast watch, for sure. No doubt about it. It's a less expensive, you know, perhaps Alpine Eagle or Or, you know, dare I say Nautilus, right? It's, it's the thing that the enthusiast wants for less money, but it's also more money. You know, there's no, no way the guy down the, down the, down the hall in accounting is going to wake up one morning, decide he wants to watch and land on this. It doesn't happen.
Andrew No, I think only an enthusiast who likes Citizen and this design. It is kind of a perfect storm of who's going to buy this watch. Yeah, I don't, I don't. The ugliest one's the cheapest though. Right. As these things go. Yeah. Also doesn't have a bracelet. But this is a, this is a line that excites me because this is the, this is a direction I've been hoping for Citizen to go. Very much like that. Juju, Juju, Juju, the Timex dropped. There, slowly, has to be slow because these are big ships. The ships seem to be turning the direction that we're hoping for them to fill that void that Seiko has created and is continuing to create. Right. They kind of leave. I think they just left a vacuum. And I think Bulava, Timex, citizen are fighting to fill that vacuum. And I'm excited to see who wins because everyone wins when they're all fighting to fill that terrific vacuum of affordable cool watches.
Everett So a bit of a segue, not directly off point, Italy, Itali, Itali is an Italian company called O I S A. It was started back in, pre, you know, pre-World War II days in Italy, it was an Italian movement maker. Um, and, and they still today, they still today, uh, produce watch components for, for Swiss made movements, believe it or not. Um, and they have just recently announced that they are going to resume manufacture of full, not just, not even just a Neboche, but full on full ass, whole ass movements. Uh, 2022 and 2023 we're going to see a thousand and then gradually increasing amount of movements. This is not something that's likely to have any effect on the micro brand world, right?
Andrew I wish it would. Can you imagine, uh, Wellsboro doing like just modern vintage cases with this fucking beautiful movement cased up in it.
Everett Yeah. I mean, theoretically something like that could happen, but it would take it outside of certainly the watches that we're looking at. Right. I mean, this is going to be a several thousand dollar investment just in the, just in the engine, which is not to say not valuable, but you know, There's an article, we'll link to an article on Monochrome, where they show at least a picture of the new hand-wound 29-50 caliber, and it is stunning, to say the least.
Andrew It looks like Iron Man's suit opening up. Yes.
Everett Yeah, the bridge work is totally great.
Andrew It's next level, even though it's preceding level. It's kind of like a time warp level.
Everett Obviously, all hand-done, you know, tons of anglaise on the bridges. I mean, it just looks totally crazy.
Andrew It doesn't look like a watch movement.
Everett Yeah, it's got a little bit of asymmetry to it.
Andrew Yeah, it's fascinating.
Everett So, again, this is like not really something that's going to impact our world, but I love to hear about it. It's kind of kind of weird So 29 and a half millimeters, uh, which I think lends itself to the name 29 dash 50 is a hand line movement with a 25 to, uh, beat per hour, which is an irregular. Yeah. You know, we, we're used to seeing 21 or 28. So that 25 is a number I haven't seen in use before 60 hour power reserve. Um, Yeah, it's interesting. It's an interesting setup. I assume that you'll see these in fancy fucking Italian watches.
Andrew I don't think we'll see them. I think that's the answer. I think we know that they exist and they're out there somewhere. And that's that.
Everett Yeah, that's it. But I guess the bigger picture is we're seeing these companies who were put out, put down by the courts crisis slowly, slowly, Slowly re-emerging. Mechanical watches are becoming a thing again. Timex is making mechanical watches, granted with Miyota movements, but Italian, you know, defunct Italian movement makers. We've got American, we've got an American fully made, American made automatic movement that will be debuting here in a couple of weeks. You know, it's, It's happening, right? We are very much, when I say we, I don't just mean you and I, but we, you, I'm talking about you at home, we are doing a thing.
Andrew We're living it. Or we're participating in a thing, I'm not sure. We're living in the renaissance of the global watch industry, the decentralization of watches.
Everett Yeah, I guess, you know, it's important to sort of temper your hubris with these things.
Andrew I mean, I think we are. I mean, we're going from seeing culturally watches all migrate to Switzerland and manufacturing and design and development. And it became the safe haven and stronghold of watches with pop-ups throughout the world. The courts crisis kind of smothered it. And there's still some, you know, some vestiges. Watchpower was centralized in a few places in the world. And now it's kind of re-emerging all these places. This technology is accessible. It's not necessarily affordable, but it's attainable. And there's a market there that makes it worth the investment. And I think it's cool. What do you got? Next up for me, I read an article on Hodinkee from Danny Milton. Did you learn how to race? Is that a recent thing? No, so it's speech-to-text or text-to-speech is what I do with my phone. It just reads it out loud to me. Makes sense. It's an accessibility function on a phone. It says, I helped my friend buy his first automatic watch. Here's what we landed on. And I liked the story because that's kind of what got us started. Right?
Everett The I helped my friend.
Andrew Yeah, the I like watches. Do you like watches? Let me tell you about watches. Hey, I like watches. Yeah, and it's so he ended up. I'll spoil it for you. He ended up buying the sex KX. Because it's a fantastic choice. Yeah, no, not the not the sex KX. He bought the The Seiko 5. Sure.
Everett The 5KX.
Andrew Yeah, the 5KX, not the DressKX, which is the SexKX. He bought the 5KX. Which is also a great watch. Which makes fucking sense. It just, it makes sense. And I'm glad to see that the SKX's predecessor, or successor, is still carrying the banner of the entry-level good watch. And it's a, it was a good reminder story of sharing this weird passion that we have and finding a use for these vaults of knowledge that we've filled up and accumulated in an accessible way. And I liked it. It's just, it's one of those reminders of we're, we're not just doing this We are just doing this for us. This is a for me hobby. I don't give a shit about anybody else or anything that anybody thinks, but it's nice to share it with somebody and share that joy with somebody. And in this year, two years, geez, of COVID, we've kind of lost that opportunity to really share that passion. And I was just happy to see that story.
Everett You know what I like about Danny and what I like about this article? Uh, I say Danny, Like we're friends. Like I'm homies with Danny Milton. I'm not to say I wouldn't be, I just don't know. But I think that Danny Milton is like truly in the ho-dinky sort of world of like, I've lost my ability to think like a normal person. And he even says at some point, when I see a $2,000 watch, I think value, right? Which is so crazy, right? But he acknowledges that, right? Like this is not, That's almost how he opens the article. This is not, you know, uh, a normal thing to think a 2000 watch a $2,000 watch being anything even remotely close to value is an, is an insane, or at least extremely atypical, uh, uh, opinion. So I like it when, and it's, it's not pretentious, right? He's like, Yeah. So, you know, this is the world I live in. This is my world, but also this is not a normal world for everybody. Yeah. Uh, that's a, that's a charming article. I liked it too. I think he's a good author, good writer.
Andrew I don't know if he's an author.
Everett Yeah. A writer in any of it. Yeah. Yeah. Uh, I've got another watch that I'd like to talk about that was, uh, released pretty recently here. Um, and it's a little bit off the beaten path here. So I read about this watch on Fratello. Oh, yes. Um, this is a watch by a company called Presidius and it's a, a 11 watch. It's it says Tom Rice edition. And I guess there's a story about how Tom Rice was a bad-ass Joe back in the day. Um, which, okay. Yeah. You know, there's Fort Benning story and jumps and blah, blah, blah. Have you have you lived at Fort Benning, Andrew? No.
Andrew Okay. Nor did I go to the Benning School for Boys. You weren't ever there? No. Oh, man. I somehow missed it. All the things I did in the army, I somehow missed Benning.
Everett You know, Benning is a weird place, right? You've got these super, like, the whole place is filled with condemned buildings. Like, I mean, there are probably, I don't know, 10 acres of condemned buildings on Fort Benning. And then right in the middle of the post, there's these giant jump towers. There's like a big- Which also should be condemned by my understanding. Yeah, I think they're pretty dangerous. Yeah. Yeah. You know, so for you at home, if you don't know what I'm talking about, it's basically a crane. Like you'd see like a city crane and it's just got a hoist and they, you know, pick Joe up and they slowly winch him up to the top and then let him go. And drop him. The parachute deploys and then you hit the ground. It's nuts and scary. For Tower Week. Right. People break their, I mean, people get fucked up. Lifelong injuries. Yeah, yeah. Anyway, this watch. So this is a modern, they call it, Fratellis is a modern interpretation of the A11, which is basically to say this is an A11 sort of looking watch. But it's been modernized, so they've got two sizes, a 38 and a 42. We've got some pretty sort of aggressive use of Fotina. Yeah. Which I think I'm maybe... Are you softening to it? No, no, no. Okay. Definitely not. I think I'm on the extreme end of dislike. I think that you're probably a little bit more friendly to it than I am, and I think we're both left of center as far, or perhaps right of center in the opposed world.
Andrew Yeah. Yeah.
Everett I'm tolerant, but, but don't like, but bottom line, this is an automatic NH 35, $250 field watch. It looks sharp 50 meters of water resistance, which, you know, we always try for the a loan. Give me, give me a hundred for a field watch, but really attractive. packaging but we're the assholes who want 100 meters out of a field watch 50 meters is kind of the industry standard that's right that's right and this is sort of i mean it's a legit value 250 bucks um for an original design fantastic sized crown a great it's got a domed crystal which i think works really well um i really like this watch i really like this case yeah
Andrew It's almost like they flattened a sphere and then just chopped the top off at like two thirds of the way up. Sure. Right? I mean, it's, it's a really well round, almost like a bowl shaped case, really just slick lines in it. It's almost like a, like a bubble.
Everett Yeah. It's got that sort of almost that dog bowl reverse curve.
Andrew Yeah, but not, round. It's interesting. And I really like it. And that domed crystal really compliments it. It does have faux aged loom. It's not Fotina. I think Fotina is the term that we use, but it's just brown loom. Yeah, that's right. There's no fake aging on the dial or case or anything. Accurate. Yep.
Everett I love the fonts. I love the dial fonts. They're sort of modern, but also... Exactly what you'd expect.
Andrew They're what everyone else is using. or at least within the parameters. Brown loom. The problem I have with the A11 is that white loom looks odd. And I hate brown loom, but brown loom looks right on this design. Yeah, it looks good.
Everett And it sucks because that's not what I want. I just hadn't heard much about this and I don't see many people talking about it, which is not to say people are not talking about it. Uh, people talk about things that I don't see often, but it's something that was new to me.
Andrew We know everything. And if we're not talking about it, it means nobody else is not true. I know nothing. And I know all. So we are a magical team. I don't know how they're doing. I mean, this is such a good value for the bang that you're getting out of it.
Everett Yeah. Chinese manufacturing man cures, cures all sins.
Andrew It's gotta be off the shelf parts. That's the only option.
Everett I don't think so. I mean, that case does not look off the shelf to me. The hands are almost certainly off the shelf, but the that case does not look it doesn't look.
Andrew It's a custom case. I think for that price, I don't know how they're doing it. Big Ballard. Yeah. What do you got? I wanted to circle back real quick to condemned army installations. There's a little post in in Anniston, Alabama called the Anniston Alabama Army Depot as you do. It's a National Guard installation and a training facility. The only not condemned building on this facility is their state, like joint headquarters for the reserve National Guard. Everything else around it is like, is just pure condemned. It's just a wasteland. It's like nuke town with one good building. It was a very sad place to be. There's also alligators. It was, it was sad.
Everett Was it one of those places that got built for like emergency mobilization during World War II? Have you been to Camp Williams? No, there's a place in San Luis Obispo called Camp Williams or in the slow area called, uh, uh, shout out to, to you, Blake, uh, down there, but this place called Camp Williams is basically the same type of deal. They, they threw it up real quick during World War II to get reservists and National Guard soldiers mobilized.
Andrew And it's still there to give them their things and send them on their way. That's right.
Everett It's still there because it's like, well, we got this place. Let's use it. Um, but there has been zero, zero capital improvement. Like actually probably like probably once in the eighties, they got like 40,000 bucks and removed some of the asbestos. So, uh, from some buildings, uh, and remain condemned. Right. I was there for, I don't know, I was there. So we, the National Guard still uses that, that place for mobilization. So I was down there for legal briefs a handful of years ago for, I don't know, two months, basically living in the hotel, quote unquote hotel, which is like converted barracks. We've all been in an RV hotel. Uh, and by all, I mean, Andrew and I, uh, you know, and for those of you who know, you know, you know, shared bathroom and everything. Anyway. Yeah. It's same, same deal. Terrible.
Andrew My next step is I wanted to touch on the John Mayer G-Shock collaboration. Let's just fucking talk about them. The first one, I liked. Liked. The second one, I liked just as much. Same. And I think it has nothing to do with John Mayer.
Everett I think they're just cool patterned G-Shocks. Yeah, limited edition G-Shocks, cool.
Andrew I could do without the limited edition. And kind of the reason I wanted to talk about it is the second hand market for these things. It's not. It's absurd. These come in really reasonably priced. 180 bucks. Yes. Both, both iterations, the, the blue with the yellow and now the, we'll call it tan. Off-white. Eggshell. With, with red and blue. These are not special colorways.
Everett They're $6,900. It's too big to wear. They look great in pictures.
Andrew Yes, they're big to actually wear carry on, but people wear them and I could go from, I would buy one at retail, but that these are retailing for absurd prices blows my mind and I can't figure out if it's just because it's the John Mayer limited edition.
Everett They're retailing for normal prices and then secondhand market for absurd prices.
Andrew If that's not what I said, that's what I meant to say, but it gets me into this tirade of secondhand limited edition watches. And it gets me onto like the Smith's Everest, which I'm still very angry about. Weeks and months later, these motherfuckers who build a bot to buy it up at the moment it's released. The Smith's Everest is like 500 bucks. They're on eBay for 1200. Like that's a Rolex inflation. That is absurd to me. And I hope in the next couple years, we find a way as of, as the watch community to curb this bullshit. Yeah. We specifically not, not in Rolex. We're never going to be able to curb that, but the second hand buy up limited edition for the purpose of scalping of, of the profit of that Ellie watch. I hope we can find a way to mitigate that because these are cool watches and they're made limited edition for a reason because they should be special. Maybe the brands make them more expensive.
Everett The brands have zero. And look, so before you sort of start, not you, not you, Andrew, but before you at home start like, oh, Dinky, man, man, man, come here, man. Like, this is not a new thing, right? No. Like, try to find a fucking Bape G-Shock right now on eBay. Or a Budweiser G-Shock.
Unknown That's right.
Everett Like, take your pick. This is not, this is not something new, right? The Budweiser G-Shocks are dope. They are. I like those. Uh, you know, this is sort of the name of the game now, right?
Andrew So, um, it's commodity trading and I don't like that. I don't want this to be a commodity trading game, right?
Everett It is. I don't know that we can get around it.
Andrew I want it. I want to reach around it and not give it, just fake it. Just, just nah.
Everett But I have to talk about the G shocks actually, because there's like, I loved both of these releases. I would have bought both of them if I could have, when I think the white one or the, sorry, the gray one, the original one, you could get that for like a couple of hours.
Andrew I was available for an unusual amount of time, like enough time that I kind of, I was like, Hmm, maybe I should.
Everett And then, and then it went, then the hemming and hawing got the better of me. Yeah. I think, I think it was the same for me. Right. Um, But then you made your own. And then I just made my own. Yeah. It's also $6,900. It looks really good in picture. It's hard to wear.
Andrew I think the blue one or the gray one, I don't know. I think it's more blue than it is gray, but it's also more gray than it is blue. It's kind of a weird color scheme.
Everett That original one's like classic sort of battleship gray.
Andrew I feel like I remember a lot of blue in it.
Everett It's like huey. Gray with gold and blue writing. Very, very gray. I'm showing him a picture right now and he's looking at it in disbelief. That's not the watch that's at your house. No, mine is blue. That's yes. Okay, so that's why I'm confused. Mine is watch clicker colors. I bought a case. My brain's broken. An OEM Casio case and then modded it and then painted the case with orange watch clicker. It's the watch clicker. I know that's why I was. John Mayer endorsed it. He signed off on it. He did.
Andrew We have him autographed. Both of our butt cheeks, and then we got the autograph tattooed.
Everett We put the watch in between our butt cheeks, and then he autographed our butt cheeks, and then the watch was blessed.
Unknown Yeah.
Everett That's what people do, right? And then he said, your body is a wonderland.
Andrew He did completely. Moving it along. So anyway, with that, I think The John Mayer G-Shock collaboration should continue. I think they're coming out with cool colorways. They're unwearable watches. I think they're cool. I just hope that, I know they won't, I would just like them to not yield such a great gray market commodity trading price.
Everett Yeah. You know, if I'm buying fucking Bitcoin. Have them be non-limited, right? I mean, is there any reason for that watch to be limited? They could sell 10 billion of them. So just, Give Hodinkee the first 500 or 1,000, or I don't know how many watches Hodinkee sells when they do these drops, but give Hodinkee the first 1,000 and then just move it over to the fucking Casio website. Everybody can get rich and happy and fat.
Andrew Yeah, everyone wins. It's not like Casio's got a really select amount of SKUs.
Everett There's 1,000 of them. I would buy like an annual John Mayer G-Shock.
Andrew Yeah, I think I would too.
Everett and just have like, just put them in the, well, I've got that.
Andrew I'd put them next to my Oscar.
Everett I've got that wall dedicated to him already, so.
Andrew It's on the ceiling of my bedroom now.
Everett Can I talk about one more watch? I think we ought to. Okay, because I've got one more watch I'd like to talk about. This is a watch that I read about on Time and Tide, sadly. Not that I spent a lot of time reading Time and Tide, Seiko introduced a fucking gold cocktail time.
Andrew Right? It's so funny that right after we break up with watches, we're immediately talking about it. Like me the following week and you, what, three weeks later, we're talking about something we swiped left on and now we're regretting it.
Everett It's got like a fucking snowflake dial. It's so fucking good. And it's just like oozing with sex.
Andrew That crown. The second, it's the second hand for me. that skeletonized balance of the second hand that's that the Saab has that this has is just it like it gets me wet yeah yeah that's how I feel that's how I feel uh I kind of want it man even in 40 and a half millimeters I want it you wouldn't like it though that's the problem in 40 and a half and it's gold so you got you have two things for it gold looks bigger I think. I think a gold 36 looks bigger than a 36. A gold 40 is going to look like Flava Flav. There's going to be none of the refinement that you think you're going to see, although it's going to be there.
Everett Maybe I want that. Maybe I want just a big fucking go fuck yourself snowflake dial cocktail time.
Andrew I don't mean, I don't think you don't want it. You know, it's just it's gorgeous and maybe the reason they made it 40 millimeters is so that you could truly appreciate all the Great details in it because that's snowflake dial. That's For me one of the most special if not the most special dial on the market period I don't care if it's Tiffany blue. That's right. I don't Tiffany fuck Tiffany blue this snowflake dial that Seiko does is Next level shit, and we're probably we're compressing some nuance here
Everett Shout out Pete and Joe. But because this may not be a quote unquote snowflake doll, but whatever, you know what we mean. But it's like so iconically Seiko. Yes. Like if anybody else did this, we'd be like, oh, he's going to do a Seiko snowflake doll.
Andrew Exactly. We'd make fun of them. We would relentlessly ridicule them. The only way to beat this dial is to go like the fully hand-painted, somehow magical fish grabs a gem, places it in a ruby basket, and then a bird plucks it up and puts it back. The jacket row. Yeah, that kind of sorcery is the way to beat snowflake dials. And I recognize, it's important, this is not a snowflake dial. It's a fucking snowflake dial.
Everett It is, yeah, yeah, yeah. I think it's totally, yeah, I think that's what I'd call this. In any event, they're cheap, right? If I have any lamentation about this, it's that it's a 4R and not a 6R.
Andrew And it's 40 and a half. That's a reasonable lamentation.
Everett There's a huge group of people that prefer 4R to 6R movements because 6R movements are known to have issues, but... I had an issue with mine. With that said... The 6R is just a more special movement and, you know, if I'm buying special things, I want special components to my special things. In any event, the cocktail times for many, many years now have been four hour based and this is no different. 450 great British pounds, which is what?
Andrew 600 bucks.
Everett Yeah, it's right in there. 550.
Andrew Which is standard fare for a cocktail time. That's standard.
Everett Six to 700 bucks. Gold cocktail time, snowflake dial, give it to me, put it in me.
Andrew And the crown. Ugh. It's like a, like a, like a big old,
Everett Pilots watch crown on just a just a big old big old ass big. Oh Yeah, I dig this watch man So, uh, that's all that's all I have That's all I have.
Andrew I have one last thing and we can do it quickly.
Unknown Okay?
Andrew The or logical Society of New York is Has opened as of December 13th and our ology in art exhibit wherein, believe it or not, just from the name of the exhibit, they are exhibiting artwork through the ages that is either prominently featuring or in the background featuring watches, timepieces, pocket watches. And it's interesting to see the spectrum and kind of the interpretation of what they're calling featuring. Which also brings into question how timepieces and watches have played into affluent society through the ages. From a 1762 to 1785 or 1780 to 1785 oil on canvas is just a portrait of woman. And she's an important woman. She's the wife of a clockmaker. Very important. But it's just a portrait of a woman. And very subtly on the table is a pocket watch. And when you're painting with oil, there's nothing subtle. Everything there is very deliberate. So I take that, you know, this isn't like a like a cell phone picture that just candid camera captured something that's there on purpose. But it's a very subtle pocket watch there. It is by no means the centerpiece. It's meant to be there. It's meant for you to notice, but that's, you know, kind of the, the baseline. And then, you know, there's things like the, uh, the Dolly, uh, melted clocks. There's New Yorker articles that are all, all the dials. There's just this cool exhibit of watches as they are represented in art. through time. Do they actually have? I don't know if they have the dolly. I think that might just be their host, but I think that's as an example. I'd be really fucking cool if they had that or one of them.
Everett So the painting, the persistence of memory is the one we're talking about, which is the very, very famous Salvador dolly with the melting clocks. Yeah.
Andrew Are they melted though?
Everett Hard to say, you know, it's a, it's a matter of perspective.
Unknown Yeah.
Andrew If you were above them, would they look melted or would they look like the Cartier crash? Yeah.
Everett Which I love, by the way. Is the Cartier crash based on Salvador Dali's? Anyway. There's no way it's not. Yeah. Which begat the other? I don't know. We could probably figure this out pretty quickly, but I'm not going to.
Andrew Yeah, it's not worth the time.
Everett I'm not going to do that.
Andrew So it's got 60 installments in the exhibit and it's in the Horological Society of New York. So if you're in the neighborhood, I think it'd be a really cool, cool visit and a cool art installment.
Everett And, and the Horological Society of New York is one of these like sort of goofy waspy, maybe even borderline irrelevant organizations, but they do cool. Then they do cool shit like this. And you're like, Oh yeah, that's really like, it just keeps them above water. Yeah. Right. It's sort of, There's a place for sort of that type of stodginess and credit where credit is due. This is an interesting thing that only they could do, perhaps.
Andrew Yeah, because we certainly couldn't organize one of these like in our garage or something. Right. Or even a local art center.
Everett There are organizations with bigger garages than us, uh, but that still may not be able to pull this off because it is that very specific chamber music type of thing. Like I appreciate you chamber music, but please don't invite Everett and Andrew. I'm trying to listen to Lil Nas X. So yeah, move it along. Uh, can I sneak in like a bonus other thing before we start other things? You can always sneak it in. Have you heard the Anderson .Paak, Bruno Mars, An Evening with Silksonic collaboration? No. So a few months ago, a video showed up on YouTube in my feed, which was two of my very, very, very favorite sort of music guides, Anderson .Paak and Bruno Mars. And it was like this collaboration called Skate and it's this video. And I was like, this is cool, man. As it turns out, they made a whole entire album, just the two of them. I have been listening to it basically nonstop for about three weeks, and it's so good. It is so good. Two songs in particular, if you're inclined to just check it out, and I'm not talking to Andrew now, I'm talking to you. I'm looking deep into your eyes. And I'm talking to you. He has one hand on your cheek. I'm going to move the mic. You know, we can move the mic a little closer. Ooh. Get a little bit of that. I hate that. Two songs, 777 and Smokin' Out the Window. And both of them are just 777 is an ass dropper. So whatever you're doing, just drop that ass. And Smokin' Out the Window is hilarious and just fantastic. The whole CD. The whole CD.
Unknown Record?
Everett Record. The whole A track. Both sides. The B side is just, is just lit. It's fantastic. Yeah. I dig the shit out of it.
Andrew CD. I'm disappointed in you. You know better than that. Andrew. Even calling it a record makes me feel fucking douchey.
Everett Other things. What you got?
Andrew So all of you know that I like to cook. We even talked about it today.
Everett You know, because he said it earlier in the episode.
Andrew Uh, I've, I got a kitchen tool recently that I've, I've really been hesitant to get because of the dangers. I got a mandolin. It's pronounced, it's pronounced mandoline. Oh yeah. I got a mandoline recently. Like Coraline?
Everett Mando. Oh, oh, hyphenate.
Andrew So I got a mandolin recently and I'm medium about it. You're medium. I thought I was going to like it a lot more.
Everett And you're in your sort of like initial thoughts were pretty high.
Andrew My initial thoughts were pretty high and I've used it several times. I'm, and maybe it's just because I'm, I'm really comfortable with a knife that making really thin, precise cuts repeatedly isn't, isn't an issue, but in bulk, I really like it. So I spent, I went through a five pound bag of potatoes trying to make the perfect potato chip. Not just the potato chip, because I came out with actually really good potato chips, but I was trying to make salt and vinegar potato chips because I wanted to make some for your birthday. I ate all those potato chips. I ate five pounds of potatoes worth of potato chips, and I didn't bring any over to you because none of them were salt and vinegar chips. They were all just salty potato chips. I wasn't prepared to deliver to you not salt and vinegar chips.
Everett Yeah, I think you've got to get powdered vinegar for a good salt and vinegar chip.
Andrew That's the answer. So maybe that's my other thing is how to make salt and vinegar chips.
Everett The good news is Mike Razack, our boy Mike Razack, came through and delivered five, six bags of kettle vinegar, salt and vinegar potato chips for my birthday.
Andrew So they have, even though you failed, Mike came through and I came through for me cause I hate a bucket load of potato chips. Um, I was up every morning when I was getting kids ready for school, I was slicing potatoes, like doing vinegar soaks, doing rinse. I was doing all manner of things. But what I found was the mandolin was only really useful. in a huge quantity application. I used it today for like an onion because I was I'm pickling onions for for pickled onions for tacos tomorrow. It wasn't worth the effort to pull out.
Everett I don't think you can get an onion with a knife consistently thin enough for pickling with a knife. Like you have to be a serious knife enthusiast to do to do that successfully over the course of an onion. I've just done this with a knife. And I got half with the onion and I was like, I'm not getting these consistently thin enough. And I got out the mandolin.
Andrew Challenge accepted. I typically don't. This is the first time I've used a mandolin.
Everett I believe you can do it. If you want to tell me that you can do it, I believe that. But I'm saying if you can, you are a gifted knife wielder.
Andrew You just have, yeah, it's just, it's just knife skills. And it's something that's come from a lot of knife work.
Everett I cook a lot. Don't have that skill. And I think that I'm probably closer to average than you are if you can in fact do that.
Andrew Yes. That being said, for people who are, who are maybe not as confident in their knife skills or who are working in large batches, like say you're cooking for, you know, five people routinely. I like this tool. It is, it has a, it's very much like my, my food processor. It has an application. I'm really happy I have it. I don't think I would miss it if it went away, but I'm glad it's there. I would miss a food processor. So it's not exactly on the level with a food processor.
Everett Yeah. I think it's essential unless you're Toshiro Mifune, AKA Andrew, you absolutely should get a mandolin.
Andrew It's a good tool, but here's the thing. So I bought one. The one I bought on Amazon is currently unavailable and they don't know when it'll be back in stock. You bought the last one. Evidently. Um, Buy one with a guard. They don't all come with a guard. You gotta have a guard. Use the fucking guard. You have to have a guard. I know so many people who have removed large chunks of their body with a mandolin because they were being lazy. They come with a guard. Use the guard. And if you want to even go extra safe, wear the cut glove that also comes in the box. Put it all back in the box, and then you are impervious to the dangers of the mandolin. Mandolins and bagel slicers, I think, are the number two kitchen accidents outside of Thanksgiving cooking when that's exploding turkeys in your oil. Because people put in a frozen turkey into oil and then they put it in too much oil and then their house is on fire. I will never understand that.
Everett Just this year, I think Jimmy Kimmel blew up a frozen turkey in his face, like dusted his eyebrows off.
Andrew Everyone did. Every year, right after Thanksgiving, I watched like the best 10 turkey frying accidents. And it's like, man, How did you not see that coming?
Everett I think it's hard to know when a turkey is thawed. That's the problem. And so people invariably don't thaw, but they think it's thawed when in fact it's not.
Andrew It's not just that, but they fill the five-gallon kettle with oil, and then they drop three and a half gallons worth of turkey into it, and they're like, man, all this oil is falling out onto the fuego, and oh, it's on fire, and now my house is on fire. Do things that make sense. Put that frozen bitch into the pot, top it off with oil, use the proper tools, thaw it out, per the guidance on the turkey wrapper, and then fry your turkey. Because I've done fried turkey. It's delightful. It's not for, like, I've, the way I like it, the way I do it, I prefer it. Otherwise, I'd be frying turkeys.
Everett But I said that to Betty the other day. I said, do things that make sense. And she said to me, do things that make sense. And I,
Andrew I cannot tell you how many people have heard the click-click of handcuffs and me behind them saying, do things that make sense. Dozens and dozens of people have heard that.
Everett I've got another thing.
Andrew Do me.
Everett Have you watched For All Mankind?
Andrew No, I don't have Apple TV, but it looks really good.
Everett You know, it's really good. It's surprisingly, unexpectedly really good. And it's not perfect. So a lot of times I talk about things in these, you know, very optimistic and borderline infallible tones. This show is not perfect. I think that the character arcs, the development of the character arcs is a little too slow. I think it takes too long to turn these folks into Characters with any sort of depth. I will tell you if you start the show and you get four or five episodes in and you think all these characters are retarded. Uh, it's possible that if you wait a little bit longer, you'll change your mind. With that said the show, the show itself is really, really fun. It is an alternate universe, an alternate universe space show. It's got characters, people, human beings who existed in the real world. It's got other characters who maybe didn't exist in the real world. Gene Kranz is there. Guess why not? Deke Slayton is there. You know, there's a local attorney here named Don Slayton, and I asked him once if anybody ever called him Deke, and he was like, no, and if you ever call me Deke, I'll punch you. And I was like, oh, okay. Deke. You know, there's these There's these folks you know. Werner Von Braun is there. But from the second, from the very, very opening scene of the show, you're starting and you're like, okay, yeah, I know this story. Are they able to overcome that gap? They are. I mean, it's almost as if it doesn't exist, right? So the show starts and you're like, okay, okay, okay, okay. And then within moments, you're like, what? It's phenomenal. The way the story is presented is really, really fun. It's just starting to get like truly off course, right? In terms of what actually has happened in history versus for me, I think I'm like episode 10 and it's just now starting to like really You know, the butterfly effect like a right angle deviation.
Andrew Yeah, Ashton Kutcher has stepped in and never mind the fact that there's these not real people in the involved in the world. Okay, we're now way off course. And that's a butterfly effect was a good movie.
Everett Yeah, I think it was go back to that. I think it was worse than you remember it. But it's an interesting concept. And that is what's happened here. But we've gotten so we've gotten very far away. But Still really fun. We're still really enjoying it. Kim did not think she was going to like it at all. And meanwhile, she is like, can we watch an episode tonight? Um, like before I came over here. Oh, uh, so it's good. It's really good. And I'm really enjoying it.
Andrew I'm intrigued. We need to get your Apple ID log in. I think we can make that happen, brother. Uh, Sam got into Yellowstone in a way that I did not expect such that she has been sending me ranch properties in Montana. Like, hey, we could do this. I was like, some real talk.
Everett Is this real right now? Do you want that? Yeah. Yeah. I can tell you right now. I do not want that.
Andrew No, I know that about you, but no, I, I, I want that. I would be, I'd be totally agreeable to that. Like what Evan has is what I, what I dream about. Yeah. He's like, Oh, yeah, you know, quarter mile off the road, it's gravel.
Everett Fuck you, Evan! Our rider, Evan. Yeah. Yeah, Evan Casper. I wouldn't like it. You know, in Montana, man, it's like, it snows half the year in Montana. I could do that. I want winter. It starts snowing in August.
Andrew I want deliberate snowing. I don't want like, I don't like this temperate rainforest climate that we have that we have dry season and wet season. We have Wet and hot and wet and dry. It's just always damp here. We get mold in the summer.
Everett Andrew, what else do you got?
Andrew A lot of things, man. I'm pleased with the way this year has gone. For those of you who do celebrate Christmas, this is our last episode prior to Christmas. So Merry Christmas from the WatchClicker family to yours. It's been a fun year and thank you for joining us. for this episode of 40 in 20, the watch clicker podcast. Don't forget to check us out on Instagram at 40 and 20 or at watch clicker at watch clicker. Check out our websites where we have our reviews, articles, everything. It's watch clicker.com. And if you'd like to support the show, we certainly appreciate those who do and would love it. If you would choose to support us, find us at patrion.com slash 40 and 20. And don't forget to join us for another episode of 40 and 20, the watch clicker podcast next Thursday.
Everett It's close.
Unknown Bye bye. He's close.
Unknown He's close. No, he lost it.