The Watches We Swiped Left On.

Published on Thu, 25 Nov 2021 21:29:16 -0800

Synopsis

Andrew and Everett discuss watches that they appreciate but likely won't purchase, such as iconic models like the Omega Speedmaster and Seiko SKX. They talk about the societal pressures and desire for ownership of certain popular watches versus genuine personal interest. The overall theme is about being content with the watches you truly want rather than acquiring pieces just for the sake of owning popular models. They also chat about other topics like food, household projects, and bring up a new snack of spicy pickle chips to try on the show.

Transcript

Speaker
Andrew Hello, fellow watch lovers, nerds, enthusiasts, or however you identify. You're listening to 40 and 20, The Watch Clicker podcast with your host, Andrew and my good friend Everett. Here we talk about watches, food, drinks, life, other things you like.
Everett Everett, how are you? I'm just, you know, yeah.
Andrew It's not even Thanksgiving yet. You're already kind of food coma-y.
Everett I think that is what I am.
Andrew You're like hyperglycemic. Yeah.
Everett I had a big dinner. Yeah, I might be food going. That's my, that might be what's going on. What'd you have? Uh, tacos. I, I made tacos, uh, just like, you know, classic sort of, uh, 1980s ground beef, shredded lettuce and shredded cheese.
Andrew Exactly that. Hard shell tacos.
Everett Uh, no, we do soft shell tacos, but that's the truth. Yeah.
Andrew Corn or flour?
Everett Uh, flour because we, we've got small children who, for some reason don't like corn tortillas. I prefer a corn tortilla, but yeah, the rest of the family likes, I think they like that soft sort of enriched.
Andrew I like that it soaks up the juices, especially with ground beef tacos. That tortilla really soaks up the juices and it's not such a sloppy experience.
Everett Yeah, that's true. That's true. No, I don't mind a flour tortilla at all. So, but yeah, just those standard middle-class America tacos. But I did have three of them. which was... You can do better than that. A lot of food. I mean, I could, but why would you?
Andrew To do better than that? Who needs 20 wings? Right. Yeah. I do. Yeah.
Everett I definitely don't need 20. About 15, I feel good. 20, I feel best. I used to think I could eat many more wings than I can actually eat. I think it's age. Maybe at some point I could actually eat more, more wings than I can now.
Andrew In my early twenties, I sat down and ate 50 wings at Chicken Bones once.
Everett I think right now I could do that, but I know I couldn't. Ooh, there'd be regrets. Yeah. Like in my mind, 50 wings, I can eat 50 wings, but I know I couldn't. Mm-mm. Mm-mm.
Andrew Yeah, there'd be regrets. Deep, deep regrets. Andrew, how are you? I'm well. I made just like a real run-of-the-mill chili tonight, but last night I made British, like very British inspired fish and chips. like complete with carbonated water in the batter mixture. They were amazing. Yeah. If you're not adding carbonated water to your fish batter when you're frying fish, you're doing it wrong. Does it just give it a made it super light and flaky and fluffy? It was perfect.
Everett Interesting.
Andrew Super good.
Everett Interesting.
Andrew Uh, yeah, other than that, I'm good, you know, just enjoying the tail end of weekend and getting a whole bunch of shit done on the house over the course of my couple days and got all the Christmas dec well, not all a good chunk of Christmas decorations up because it's not supposed to be nice again for like a week and a half. Next weekend supposed to be when I work next weekend. My weekend is a little different than yours. Um, yeah, so I got, I just got a bunch done. I'm feeling, feeling accomplished.
Everett Oh yeah. Domestic stuff. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
Andrew All at the house. I probably, barring having to take Mark to class this evening, I could have probably done it all without ever leaving my pajamas.
Everett Just, you know, on the roof. And you bought it. Did you get it? You did get up on the roof, though.
Andrew I did. And I immediately regretted it. So the pitch of my roof is significant. I believed that it wasn't so significant that I could safely lay on my roof and hang things on the bottom of my eaves to mount my hooks for my Christmas lights. So I got up onto the first pitch of the roof, and it was steeper when you get up there than it looks from the ground. And I was like, eh, it's pretty steep, whatever. And I go to lay on the next pitch of roof, and I'm sliding down while I'm laying. Now bear in mind, the roof is still a touch damp. It's not frosty anymore, but it's still a touch damp. And I'm basically alone. My wife is home, but she's actually even with me. She's upstairs.
Everett She's about five feet away from you.
Andrew Yeah. And there's no one holding the ladder. Right there. There's no one holding the ladder. And I'm like, OK, I need to get down. And I start to try to get down and I'm kind of sliding. So I'm having to arrest my fall while also aim at the ladder. And I was like, oh, this is bad. I'm stuck. And she's working, right? So I don't know what she's doing. She's at work, she's at the home office. And I call and she doesn't answer. I was like, oh fuck, she's in a meeting. So I just like sit down in the corner of the roof. I was like, I live here now.
Everett Were you up there for a while?
Andrew So I called again and she answered and I was like, could you come outside and help me? She's like, are you okay?
Unknown I'm like, yeah.
Andrew And I hear her run because she's even with me. I hear her run through the upstairs and downstairs and out the front door. I'm like, I just need you to hold the ladder so I don't fall. So my, uh, my attempt at getting the lights hung up there was, didn't work. There's a couple of things that I'm going to try. Uh, I got some under shingle hooks and I have a pole that I think will be sufficient to hang them. And if not, I will, uh, just get one of the ladder hooks to hang over the peak of my roof and go from there. It was eventful. There is still yet another day on the roof.
Everett Hooray. You'll, you'll get there.
Andrew You'll get it all done. Yeah. And if not, whatever. It comes down in six weeks anyway.
Everett Yeah. Six weeks. That's right. Delightful. Well, well good. Uh, shall we? I mean, we're talking about watches tonight. Should we get into it? I feel like it's a little unceremonious at this point, but yeah, I think we should talk watches tonight.
Andrew Yeah. Can I, can I dive right into it? I wish you would. So this idea, I haven't, we haven't titled the episode yet. I think Daddy will probably make a title that'll optimize. Some sort of SEO friendly optimization. My thinking on it is, is the watches we think we should buy, maybe should, but probably shouldn't and won't. Subtitle, guiltless pleasure watches. My whole So this is an idea of my brain. Because I was looking at watches, as one does, and I find myself regularly looking at the Speedmaster. I love the Speedmaster. It's not just iconic. It's got this legacy to it. I mean, it is an icon in the watch world. And it's undeniably an icon, and not just an icon because it's cool, but because it's really earned its place. It's got all the cool checkmarks. The technology's cool. It's done cool shit. It has no water resistance. It's awesome. That's a cool checkmark. Yeah, they haven't updated the one thing that we really want updated with such a cool watch. But they hold on to it because you don't need water resistance in space. So it's got all these things. And now it's also beautiful. And I love it. I love looking at it. I love holding it. I love looking at pictures of it. I hate wearing it. It doesn't fit me right. The only thing I've ever worn it on that felt kind of okay was a manky strap, but everything feels good on a manky. So maybe that's a pitch for more manky straps. Like get a Speedmaster and a manky and you're good. But I was trying to think, I was like, why do I want this watch so badly? that I know I won't wear because I don't like the way it fits. Why am I emotionally prepared to spend the money on this watch? Well, everyone has one. I see pictures of it. Everything in the watch world says, get a Speedy and you'll be cooler. Which I don't think is necessarily wrong, but it's definitely not right. And that kind of just got my wheels turning of other watches that kind of fall into this category that I just love. Yeah. But no, and I love them for good reason, right? It's not like these weird novel one-off watches that you love it because it's like, I've never seen anything like this before. Nothing like this exists. It's just, it's weird. Cool.
Unknown Yeah.
Andrew Not those watches. Cause those are plenty. There's plenty of those in the world. These iconic big common watches that everyone loves that even I love that just are not for me and trying to just cut those out of my daily view of like, ah, I should look at this. I kind of feel like buying a watch. Get it off the plate.
Everett I just don't need to worry about that watch. We're proclaiming our desire to not buy these watches.
Andrew I'm breaking up with that watch.
Everett I like that. This is the breakup episode. It's me. No, it's not me.
Andrew It's you. You're the problem. Yeah. But that was my thinking and that kind of got me stirring into this idea of what are these What are watches that were inundated by or that are popular that we don't not like them, but they're just straight, not for me. And despite everyone making them feel like they should be for me, they're not for me. And that's okay.
Everett Yeah. Yeah. That's right. It says this watch is not for me and that's okay. I've come to, I'm coming to terms with that tonight. I'm accepting him. Yeah.
Andrew The first stage of grief, right?
Everett That's right. So, you know, we've each picked watches, and as we do, we've sort of shared the watches. You know, you started off with the Speedy, and I think you're kind of on record as having that position about the Speedy. Looking through our lists, I think it makes sense for me to start just based on the watches we've picked. And so my first watch is kind of a twofer. It makes sense as a twofer, though. It makes sense as a twofer. Um, it's not so, so it's more than one watch, but this is a watch. So when we came into the hobby, really at the same time, so 2015, late 2015 ish, we both sort of started doing the thing that you do start a rabbit holing, um, uh, spiraling debt, the death spiral down this world. That's right. And, um, at the time watches were different than they are now, not significantly. Um, but we were still sort of in big watch times. Um, you know, the tail end of the wrist platter, uh, there were fewer micro brands.
Andrew Yeah. There's been quite an awakening in the last six years. That's right.
Everett That's right. There were, um, just generally, I think fewer options, you know, which is not to say that today you couldn't come in and do the same, you know, deep dive, rabbit hole type of thing, but I'm sure it's different now, right? If you want a $500 watch, golly, I think you'd almost be killed with the amount of options you have. And I don't think that that was really the case in 2016, so.
Andrew It was, but I think the caliber of watch was different. I think if a $500 watch six years ago is a much lower quality than what you're going to get out of a $500 watch now. I think now it might even be harder to get into watches at that price point.
Everett Perhaps. Perhaps. You know, I remember thinking at the time that you had, you know, you had watches like Bernhardt, which still today makes a great watch. But, well, hell, there's another watch that I'm probably coming to terms with the fact I'm never going to own a Bernhardt, and that's okay. you know, there was this process that we all kind of went through, right. Which involved SKX, Mako, SNK this like litany of these, these regulars, these, you know, when we started doing our best of lists, we would say no Bambino, no SKX. No. So my first watch is, is the Orient Bambino. Um, And I'm going to also sort of tag in the Seiko cocktail time because that was the affordable dress watch the Bambino was when I started collecting, right? It was like, well, if you've got under 200 bucks to spend and you want a dress watch, get a Bambino. And if you want to spend a little bit more, get a cocktail time. Uh, that classic blue sort of light blue, almost periwinkle, uh, dialed cocktail time for at the time about 300 bucks. Good luck now. And, and the Bambino for, you know, 150, a hundred to $150, uh, never bought another one. And, and it was, I think, looking back odd that I didn't, I know you did at some point buy a Bambino. I believe you still own the Bambino.
Andrew I do. I don't sell watches. Yeah. And I can break up with him on air, but I'm certainly not going to break up with an IRL.
Everett You know, there's this, um, there's been this sort of thing in my brain about that watch, uh, all this time. Like I really should just get a Bambino. I should just get a Bambino, um, to try it, to own it, to enjoy it or, or not. And perhaps I should just get a cocktail time. I think at this point, I'm not going to do it. You're okay with that. And I'm okay with it. I'm never going to be the owner of an Orient Bambino for all sorts of good reasons. We don't need to go in. Again, so this isn't us criticizing anybody's decisions. You own a Bambino and I'm not criticizing your decision to have bought one. I've just come to a place where I'm okay with the idea that I'm not a Bambino.
Andrew Because more isn't always more. Sometimes more is just gluttonous. And you don't need a Bambino. You have alternatives in that realm that you don't need a Bambino or a Cocktail Time.
Everett I actually don't know that I do, which is interesting.
Andrew You have a watch with the Omega logo at the 12 o'clock. That fits in any category.
Everett Well, sure, but I don't think I have a direct analog, right? And that's okay too, right? I don't think I need that watch. I don't need the sort of slightly oversized, you know, kind of boring, not quite a dress, not quite a sport watch. I just don't think I need it.
Andrew I can dig that. I like mine. I still wear it sometimes. I just don't have many occasions to wear a straight dress watch.
Everett Yeah. But when I do, I wear it. Slightly oversized, not quite a dress watch.
Unknown Yeah. Yeah.
Everett But it's a Smoking deal if you're trying to get into a dress watch for under 200 bucks That's the one yeah, I mean it's still today if someone were to call me and be like I need a groomsman watch and I want to spend a hundred bucks. I'm probably gonna at least recommend. They look at that.
Andrew Yeah, I wish they just just Bring it down a little bit in size though guy should be perfect at 38
Everett Yeah, 38 would be great, and either 18 or 20 millimeter lugs. Yeah, 21's weird. Is it 21? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, that's fucking weird.
Andrew Yeah, 38 and 20 would be perfect. I thought it was 19, and I bought a 19 millimeter strap for it, and I put it on, and I was like, well, that fucking sucks. Yeah. I just knew it was a weird size. I didn't bother measuring it. God damn it. 21. Now I have a 19 millimeter leather strap for nothing. Someday I'll find use for it. What do you got? Oh, you know, I'm gonna stay in that vein. I'm gonna go with the SKX Yeah, and there's a lot of reasons why I Why an SKX is off the table for me and let's let's put ourselves in a time warp in a world where the SKX is still available in production for 185 bucks for 185 bucks. I Still don't buy it I think the design is great. Again, it's an iconic watch. It is the golden era, the darling even of entry level watches. And I said earlier that it was easier to find now a really quality watch for 500 bucks than it was even six years ago. The SKX is the very notable exception to that statement. a prospect, no bullshit watch for under 200 bucks. It's well-designed, that looks good, and is now, and even was at the time, the darling of the watch world.
Everett Yeah. It was the watch that brought us through the dark times. Not to besmirch the man's name at all, but the Kobe Bryant of watches. Not really as good as the towers on either side of him. Many, many deficiencies. Totally ineffective in many, many ways. However, brought us through that dark, dark time in just such an enjoyable and appealing way.
Andrew And it's for those reasons that I feel like I should have one. I feel like having owned a lot of watches, and liking watches to not have an SKX is weird. But it's not weird. It just never was my thing. I chose a Mako because I liked the design more. I would pick the Mako again every day. I still like the Mako more, but for some reason I feel like I need to own an SKX and seeing thousands of SKX pictures on Instagram every day is not helpful in my
Everett breakup with skx yeah you said something earlier when we were talking through this episode that you know i can't remember your phrasing but basically that you know you you've gotten peer pressure to buy an skx or perhaps a a speedmaster i can't remember which it was maybe both all the watches really but you know and and i kind of called you out a little bit in a friendly way but like who's actually pressuring you andrew seiko
Andrew Me, I'm pressuring me, because I want to be cool. I want people to know that I have an SKX. I would never wear the thing, but I want people to know that I have it.
Everett Yeah. Because I want it. Isn't that interesting, because obviously I feel the same thing in many ways, right? Isn't that interesting to realize that there's no actual pressure, right? The pressure is completely manufactured, which doesn't make it less real. It makes it more real.
Andrew It's the voice in the back of your head. That's right.
Everett That's right. We, nobody needs you to buy an SKX. And in fact, nobody cares if you buy an SKX besides perhaps you.
Andrew Or the guy selling it. That's right. He wants you to buy. He wants you to buy an SKX. But is it, I mean, for such an, I mean, now I've, I've mentioned arguably two of the most iconic watches.
Everett Certainly in our space. Yeah. In our space. I mean,
Andrew that I feel like I should have because I feel like everyone else has them. I don't think that's a good enough reason to buy either.
Everett Yeah. No, that's, that's right. And that's an important piece of this, right? Is there's no good reason to buy a watch besides you wanting that watch.
Andrew Yeah, but I want them. That's the problem. I want all of them. I just know that the SKX again would be a space filler. I have other things that I would wear more, but I like more. I just want it to have it because I want people to know that I have it.
Everett Yeah. You know, and it may be at 180 bucks. You take the flyer, right? It's like, yeah, I'll just get one. I'll just get one and I'll put it on the shelf. What about a Bambino? I think you can get a Bambino for like 80 bucks. Um, but I don't even like it enough for that. You know, I think also I'm at the point where I'm realizing I have more watches than I ultimately would like to have and I'm finding it difficult to part with any of them. So buying more watches that I don't really want doesn't make sense to me.
Andrew Yeah. I think we've both kind of hit that natural pause in our watch purchasing journey. Like I told you earlier that I would buy an SKX if I found one at a pawn shop for under 50 bucks in part for the story of Finding an SKX at a pawn shop for under 50 bucks, but also because I certainly like it $50 worth Yeah, I'm gonna tell you I think that number is actually probably a hundred bucks You're probably right.
Everett Yeah. Yeah Yeah. No, that's right too. And worst case scenario, you'd buy it and like, okay, I've owned one and now I can sell it for 250 or whatever. Uh, yeah, no. And that could, I mean, that's the kind of thing that could, could absolutely happen.
Andrew Yeah. But I think otherwise our natural pause in purchasing is I'm going to probably have this forever. Right. I'm going to be a lot more diligent in my purchases. Because we've kind of felt out that space of, I like this, I don't like this, this is what I want. These are the things that I'm looking for, the things that I want. And just have a more refined, yeah, a better refined feeling on what we want out of a watch.
Everett Yeah. You know, I have recently started sort of mentally selling watches, which is different than actually selling watches, but mentally reducing the size of my watch box And I think perhaps one of the things I'm going to do here, and I'd have to do it more carefully than I did at the beginning, is to, you know, because I'm not a big purchase guy. Big purchases make me uncomfortable. But I've got all these watches that are not worth all of that much, right? You know, watches that I can realistically sell for $125 to $250. And I've probably got ten of those you know well that's you know do the math eighteen hundred two thousand bucks something like that i was gonna say 250 but um you know so i like that idea i like being able to sell a bunch of watches and then make a you know i think i've got i've got a couple watches that are kind of on the um on the i may buy this um uh list and so What I may do is do that, sell those watches, get the big purchase, the keeper, and then slowly collect another 10 kind of cheap that I don't need this forever watches. And then when I get too many, I'll sell those and I'll get the next big watch. And I don't know, that may be how I approach this, I don't really know. So I'm gonna use my next watch here because I think it sort of segues nicely with yours. As the owner of an SKX, I realize the watch I'm probably not going to buy is an SRP Turtle.
Andrew That's been on and off your list a lot.
Everett It has. Yeah. And I think at this point, I feel confident that I just don't need to have one. I think as between the two, the SKX or the SRP Turtle, I prefer the aesthetics of the SKX. Obviously, the SRP Turtle's a better watch in a number of ways. Objectively, in every way. But I don't like the aesthetics as much. And if Debbie's listening, you can give me grief about the way I pronounce my words via DM. That's fine.
Andrew She's going to send you voice memos, like pronunciation classes.
Everett I just don't like it as much. And I'm going to keep that SKX probably forever.
Andrew How much of it do you think is sentimental? The SKX? That argument between the two. Zero percent. There's no sentimentality attached to the SKX?
Everett That makes you like it more? No, I am sentimental. I think it's just a much more attractive watch. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I've written a lot of words about the SKX and I have uttered many words about the SKX. And I still today believe them all. I think it's really a wonderful watch. And so do I need an SRP Turtle? Would I be, would I be, would my life be improved at all? And I think the answer is just no. I have my entry-level Seiko Diver for life. It's my bestie. We're, you know, ride or dies.
Andrew It's also not really an entry-level diver. That's the problem with the SKX. is it's not exactly an entry-level diver, nor is it a turtle. It's somewhere in between, which kind of doomed it from its onset.
Everett Yeah. And you know, I don't care at all about the, I don't care at all about the, you know, ISO rating. I mean, maybe a little bit, but that's not something I'm worried about. Um, but it does add to the allure, right? Like this is a piece of equipment. Um, I like that aspect of it. the piece of equipment aspect. I know we're talking about the SKX and not the Turtle. As between the two, I think I have the one I need and I don't need the other, I guess is my point. And as per our conversation, I've cut in a piece with that.
Andrew I'm going to do mine next. You do you. This was a hard decision. for me to make. This was kind of like a band-aid pulling moment for me. The Citizen Nighthawk. Yeah. I love this watch. I love this watch a lot. In fact, I almost stole this watch when... Who let us borrow it? Someone let us borrow theirs. Somebody did. I apologize for not remembering who.
Everett I don't remember who it was either. weren't terrible. Was it Ty? Was it Ty Nungester?
Andrew I don't remember. I don't remember. I'm sorry we don't remember. You loaned us your watch. I remember that. I remember that act of kindness. But this is a watch that I love to death. It's comfortable. It's a little big. It's a clunker. It's quirky and gorgeous. I think it's just not for me. I mean, I can appreciate a Ferrari, but it's just not for me. Or a Tesla's maybe more appropriate because a Ferrari's a little bit unobtainium. Tesla's, you know, in the realm of reasonable. This is really reasonable. They're on Jomashop for $225 right now.
Everett Brand new in box. Yeah. And they've been as low as $180. Yeah.
Andrew I have an alert still set up on Amazon for when they drop. And it's been in my cart. I just never bought it. And it's because I know deep down that it's just not for me.
Everett Do you think that there is an aspect of this for you that has to do with how special a watch is? Do you think that there's an exclusivity threshold for you that makes a watch valuable? Because I I think for the Nighthawk, I'm in the same boat. I'm probably just never going to own a Nighthawk and I'm okay with that. You delivered your list before I could, so that was off the table. But there's an accountant at my office. We lease space to some other professionals and there's an accountant at my office and he's got to be 68 if he's a day. And he is not a thoughtful guy. uh in terms of the things he wears or you know you can tell he has a watch and it's the watch that he owns and it's a citizen nighthawk derivative and the fact that he just one day probably 2010 or so went to macy's and got this citizen nighthawk watch makes me feel like well that's not an exclusive watch. I can't rationalize that and I won't rationalize that.
Andrew That is the SKX.
Everett But I think that it, I think they're different in some ways and we can talk about that. But, um, I think that it is something that made me feel like, at least subconsciously, well, that's not a special watch. If Jim, the CPA, fucking Jim, Jim, the CPA, You know, just went to Macy's one day and bought a Nighthawk. Maybe it's not that special.
Andrew How many assholes just walked into a Rolex AD 10 years ago and picked up a sub?
Everett Well, well, yeah, same. I probably wouldn't buy a sub for exactly that reason, actually, to be perfectly frank with you.
Andrew Speedmaster.
Everett Yeah, I think a speedmaster is different, but I'm OK with whatever sort of fictional rationalizations my brain has manufactured without my assistance. I knocked over a troll. Yeah, you did.
Andrew There's a rock troll, a rock star troll at the desk. Well, I'm going to tip it over again. No, I don't think it's the exclusivity for me. I mean, I've said it a hundred times. I make the value. You do? This watch, if it were $50 or $500, I would still feel the same about this watch. In fact, I might feel more about it if it were $50 and had all this cool shit. It just isn't right for me, which bums me out because I want this watch to be right for me. That's why I say it's kind of a hard breakup. Yank the bandaid.
Everett You don't want for me a watch that didn't quite make my list today because I haven't, I'm not ready to break up with her yet, but the, the Boulevard lunar pilot, which I always want to call the lunar lander, but that's, I realized it's pilot. Uh, I think it may be kind of the same thing. It's like, that watch might not be for me.
Andrew That watch is the same as a Speedmaster for me, except it's far slabbier. Yeah, but it's a big watch. For the exclusivity. So I signed up and tried to buy the Smith's Aventurine. It came out last week. Yeah, a week and a half ago. Only because I love the Smith's Everest. I fucking hate the riveted bracelet. I hate it. Yeah. I could care less about the Aventurine dial. I just wanted the Jubilee bracelet. And then I would eventually get an Everest and bring the two together. But no, for me, the exclusivity is, there's actually even a touch of annoyance for me on like things being super exclusive. I'm annoyed when I want to buy things and I can't buy it. Like when the bots bought out the entire stock of inventory immediately, Right. Like I had it in my cart. I hit right. I was up. I set an alarm and I got up and at five fifty nine I'm watching the seconds. I hit refresh one second before six hit add to cart and then went to check out and in those twelve seconds it was gone. Yeah. Yeah. Which bugged me. I want to be able to buy the things I want to get. And I don't I don't think that there's at least for me I don't find value in the I find value in the diamond and the rough, not in the speakeasy that you have to enter through the cooler door that nobody's allowed into. Because I don't care about being the only person at the party. I'm not cool enough to be the only person in the party.
Everett No, I think that's a really good point. And actually, I really appreciate a watch like the SKX, which anybody and their mother in 2015, anybody and their mother could buy on Amazon, but nobody did because nobody had heard of it. You couldn't buy it at Macy's. Jim doesn't have an SKX because Jim has a Nighthawk. That's right. So, you know, there's, I think it's odd. I think the watches that appeal to us, um, it's really odd.
Andrew There's some story there though. There's some, some legend associated with that. That's what I mean. The sentimentality with the SKX, there's some of that pedestal that it's on of the things of lore and the legend of, you know, you gotta find it and you gotta hunt for it. I'm not saying you're wrong. But I'm saying that those are like, those are emotions tied to that.
Everett Sure. Right. You know, to buy an SKX, you had to have like read about it on a forum. It was very much part of the, I'm actually learning about watches process.
Andrew Yeah. Whereas you could still go to Macy's or Fred Meyer and buy a Nighthawk.
Everett I think today you could buy a Nighthawk at Fred Meyer right now.
Andrew I tried one on a couple of weeks ago. I tried on the bull of a curve. and a Citizen Nighthawk, and I was like, man, I still fucking love these things, but that's just not it. The curve is cool. The curve fits really good.
Everett Have you ever tried one on? I have tried one on. I think I tried one on in Mexico with you. I like them, but I hate them. Yeah. That's also a big watch. Yeah, well, it's Bulova. Yeah, it's a big old Bulova. It's just a big old Bulova watch. So my last watch, also a double here. Shocking. You cheated a lot. I've only written one down, but I realized as we started talking that there's actually two watches here. The first one, the one written down, is the Archimedia Outdoor. Which is an interesting pick. Yeah, because it's not really a ubiquitous watch.
Andrew I'm also not ever going to own a Calatrava. Right.
Everett I'm just not going to buy one. But an Archimedia Outdoor is accessible. Super, yeah. It's, you know, they're under $1,000, I believe, or at least very close to that. They're about $15. Yeah, I think they're less than $15, but right about $1,000 for an Archimedia Outdoor. But I think it's very much one of these watches that's really highly appreciated by the owners. It comes up often in the Zen 556 conversations, right? Yep. And the reason I'm going to add a watch here is because I think that there's another watch that comes up in that conversation that I'm also not probably ever going to own, and that is the Damasco DS1. I think both of these watches are beautiful. I think both of these watches are clearly performers, you know, in every, in every metric that you could want to watch to perform in, um, having worn a DS one, having, I'm not worn an outdoor, I'll tell you that right now. Um, but having worn a five, five, six, and having worn a DS one, I know for me, I, if I got a DS one, or if I got an outdoor, I would always just want it to be the 556 because that's the watch that I like more. I want the 556, if anything, which is not to say I actually maybe even want a 556, but if I want that watch, the 556 is the one I want.
Andrew Is this a commentary on analogs or on, not homages, but similarly, I'm just wondering because a DS1 and a 556 They could be cousins. They could be, yeah. I think they were designed, not necessarily in a vacuum, independent of one another, but kind of.
Everett I think all three of them probably were, would be if I had to guess.
Andrew Because they're exceptionally simple watches. They're all very well made. They're all that very Bauhaus-y, but kind of Flieger-y, super simple. Yeah, more Flieger than Bauhaus. But still like that just Just Spartan design. That very German. Yeah. Yeah. That's timeless, but really modern all at the same time.
Everett Yeah. You know, I, that's funny that you say that because as I was, as I was saying these things, I realized that maybe there is some commentary there, right? You know, and maybe in many ways, maybe in many ways that is part of what we have to do here is realize which watch do you actually want? Um, and, and if getting there requires you to try the others, um, then by all means, uh, try them. Right. Uh, for me, I just know, emotionally speaking, perhaps not in any sort of physical sense, but just emotionally of those three watches. The 556 is just the one I respond to the best.
Unknown The one that I want.
Everett You're the one that I want, that's right. And so maybe that is part of it, right? Analogs, right? If we're going to talk about analogs, like why would I buy an outdoor? And actually, I think the Archimedia Outdoor is an ugly watch in any number of ways. I don't like the lug design. I don't particularly like the dial. The spacing on the markers is weird and there's some clutter. You know, there's all sorts of things I don't like about that watch that I could tell you about, but at the end of the day, that's not really the important bit of this. The important bit is it's just not the one that I want.
Andrew This was supposed to be like kind of breakup watches. Yeah, well, I've broken up with the Outdoor. Heidi, you know, I understand that you really want me, but... You're too busy.
Everett I'm breaking up with the Outdoor and with the DS1 right now. They're both out of my life for forever.
Unknown Okay.
Andrew That's funny. You pick that. And, uh, I, I was not exactly sure seeing your watch the list that you sent me, seeing that watch the position you were going to take. Uh, cause my final watch is the Zen five, five, six. Yeah. It's a watch that again, for all the reasons you've talked about that, you love it. I love it too. I've worn it. It just isn't right. It just, it, it, I don't, I can't put my finger on what it is that I don't like about it in the way of a watch. The other thing that I don't like about it is it's impossible to buy. That bugs me a lot. Get your shit together because if this watch were available with any kind of regularity, I would have impulse bought this watch. And I will probably would be now in a position where I was selling it to you. Um, but it just doesn't, it doesn't scratch that itch. It rubs it and it kind of alleviates it, but it doesn't get rid of it.
Everett It's when you have that itch on your ankle and you can get to it and you have relief as your fingernail is on it.
Andrew And as soon as you pull it away, it's scratching a mosquito bite. He's like, Oh, it feels good. But every time I see this watch, I'm like, God, I fucking love that watch. I'm going to buy that watch. And I like look at the bank and I like look around like she's not here. I can get away with this. There's some purchases that I can make that are going to have a consequence, but not dire. That's a not dire consequence. She'd be pissed. I get an ass chewing, but I've had my ass chewed before, right? And I go to buy it. I'm like, fuck, I'm not going to I'm not going to pay more for it used. No.
Unknown Yeah.
Andrew That's not how shit works. And as a function of that have not, so maybe it's good. It hasn't been available anywhere, but on the secondary market, but it just, it clay brought one and I loved it. It just, it hugs to your wrist. It's gorgeous. It's simple. It's all the things that I like out of a watch, but I don't like it even though I love it. And that's okay. It's just not for me.
Everett You just buy it at Comedie Outdoor. Yeah. There it is. You know, we talked a little bit before we started, like some of this episode is just going to be reconciling what all this means. I mean, it probably means nothing. Here we are. It's Tuesday night for you. It may be Thursday morning or Friday morning or whatever. Right. Um, none of this means really anything. I think that in, in the grand scheme of things, As we discussed earlier with the peer pressure or the lack thereof, nobody actually cares what watches you own.
Andrew I think that's an important comment to make. And I think that's important to hammer home. We're all a part of this community. If you're listening to a watch podcast, you are a part of the community. Yeah. Owning a Speedmaster does not make you a part of the community. Yeah. Being a part of the community makes you a part of the community. You're not cooler for owning a Speedmaster. You're also not cooler for listening to us. I want to make that super clear that I'm not saying that you're cooler for listening to us.
Everett I don't know if that's true. I think that you might be cooler if you listen to us. Given the alternatives. We're number five. I think we are the SKX. Perhaps. Perhaps. A little harder to find. Not quite as mechanically effective.
Andrew Got a weird jangly bracelet. That's what it is. This is a community of people who have, for some reason, we've circled the wagons around this antiquated, meaningless, but also super meaningful thing. And you are good enough without a Speedmaster. If you have one, I also appreciate you. But not owning a Speedmaster or a 556 or an SKX. or a Bambino doesn't detract from what you bring to the table.
Everett Nor does not owning one have any significant effect, right? The hashtag not a speedy or not a speedy pro, I can't remember what it is.
Andrew Yeah, I don't own a Speedmaster.
Everett Yeah, or whatever, right? that nobody cares what you own or don't own. You know, we, I wanted to circle back for just a second before we get too far down the road because, um, I think that the 40 and 20 jingle is the SKX Jubilee bracelet. I'm just, this has just occurred to me as you were saying that, uh, the 40 and 20 bump bump bump is the SKX Jubilee. Uh, we can move on. Yeah. I mean, or not. We don't need to move on. We can stay there.
Andrew But that was, I mean, that was my whole thinking behind this episode was why, why do I feel, what is making me feel pressured to buy something that I don't particularly want or like? And it's me, it's me in my head seeing these other people with something that I like. It's kind of like this envy, like this thing envy, like I want that. Turns out I don't. And I'm okay with that. I'm okay with appreciating a Speedmaster and putting it on when I get to see one in person. I mean, like, yep, still making the right choice, but I still really appreciate this watch.
Everett Yeah. And, and, you know, I think that, that enjoying watches doesn't require acquiring watches too. You know, that's another important thing. People often, like for instance, Will gives me a hard time because I very rarely buy things. I talk about things I'd like to buy all the time and then very rarely buy things You buy weird things, though. You do buy weird things. I do buy weird things. And actually, I just know I want the weird things, right? Yeah. And so if you're in the hobby and you're not acquiring watches, are you actually in the hobby? And that probably depends on if you're not buying watches, what is it that you're doing? Um, and, and no judgment, right? I think that everybody comes at this at a different level of, of engagement, but I think sometimes that's a hard thing to wrap your head around. Like if I'm not buying watches and I'm not thinking about what watch I'm going to buy, what am I doing here? Appreciating an art form. Yeah, I think that, well, I think that's the obvious answer, but, but getting to that point where you can just appreciate without acquiring Maybe it takes a little practice.
Andrew I think it also helps you get a lot more diligent in the, in what you buy. Like I didn't buy any watches in 20.
Everett Zero watches purchased in 2020.
Andrew I had a, I did, I got, got a watch for a birthday present and I bought, a new 5600. But I watch fasted. I like very diligently didn't buy any watches. And then in the first quarter of 2021, I bought three. It's not a big deal, but those three watches were really, really thought out. Like those were, those were the watches that were going to get purchased. And I thought that was, it was, I appreciated that exercise because I bought a lot of watches prior to that and leading up to that. And then very deliberately like, nope, not going to do it. I'm going to figure out what I'm going to buy and I'm going to know exactly why I'm going to buy it. And then I bought three, um, just bam, bam, bam.
Everett Including an impulse C63.
Andrew No, the, the, uh, Alpinist was the impulse. The C63 was love at first sight.
Everett That's an impulse.
Andrew Uh, I still love that watch. I wear that. I wear that watch probably more than anything else except, you know, my work watch. But, um, I knew exactly why I was buying that watch because I looked at the GMT. I looked at the, at the pro, right? Yeah. And one of the automatic, just the pure sport.
Everett So takeaways, any takeaways? Oh gosh.
Andrew No one's telling you you have to buy it. You're not cooler for having it. You're cooler if you like it more, though. Like Everett's JDM G-Shock that everyone hates. It's the coolest fucking watch he owns.
Everett Yeah, except when people see it, they're like, holy shit, that's cool.
Andrew It's the coolest watch you own. As much as I hate it, I wouldn't. If I found one at a pawn shop, I would buy it and give it to you so you could have more. That's it. That watch is kind of the cornerstone of this episode. It's weird, but you like it. Nobody else does. And that's okay.
Everett Yeah. Yeah. You know, for me, if there's any takeaways, it's just really, you know, what we've said a hundred times already. It's just that you don't have to buy it. You don't have to buy it. You don't have to buy it.
Andrew Yeah. And no one cares if you do or don't do it for you, but not for the likes. You don't make money on Instagram anymore unless you show your butt. We've tried that. It's not, it's not working. And we don't make money when we show our butts. No. We did get a little money to stop.
Everett Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But yeah, that's not sustainable. Andrew. Other things. What do you got? I see them on the table. I brought us a snack. Yeah. Have you had these before? I have not. Are they just the standard? I think maybe I have actually.
Andrew They're not. They're not. Yeah. No, I haven't had these. So my other thing this week is for adults only. triple x hot famous dave's pickle chips devil's spit but not the standard pickle chips which are very good and we've talked about them on the show before these are devil's spit and they are a devilishly good pickle so tasty it's almost sinful you're reading copy at this point you're not that you're not just this is not exposition only the hottest peppers stolen from the devil's own backyard were used caution may have aphrodisiac side effects. Famous Dave. Oh my gosh. So we're going to wrap. So these are available basically at any grocery store.
Everett Wait, are we going to eat these now? I want to do this. That's why I brought a fork and a... Oh boy. Oh boy. It was a sealed jar, so that took some time.
Andrew It was brand new. Yeah. So these are just, you know, your typical run of the mill. It says for adults only. It does. Triple X hot. I read all, I read the jar, um, bread and butter, pickle chip or pickles sliced like chips. Real spicy and real delicious.
Everett I'm trying to think, do I want to go bigger or do I want to go smaller here?
Andrew Bigger is always better because we are in America.
Everett Okay. I'm going in. It's the first time we're eating on air. Is that right?
Andrew We're usually pretty opposed to it.
Everett Instant heat. A lot of sweetness. Instant heat.
Andrew And it just holds. Yeah. It never crescendos. It just holds.
Everett It's not overly spicy. It's so good. Although I'm getting the instant back of the head sweat. Immediate.
Andrew I like to chop these up and use them in tuna. Yeah. It is good on any sandwich if you want a little bit of spice because that's the thing. impressive part about the spice on these pickles is that it doesn't it doesn't build it doesn't get you in the back of the throat it doesn't make you want to cough you get all the pickle flavor and this really great roof of the mouth kind of back of the tongue heat and it just holds it eventually passes it's not overwhelming not overwhelming nope but it's i am sweating from the back of my head it's just perfect
Everett We talked about the back of the head sweat, right? Yeah. Do you get that?
Andrew No, I get crown. Oh, not crown, like forehead, hairline, where it's supposed to be, not where it is. Get to the grocery store. These are so good on pulled pork, anything barbecue, because it's Famous Dave's, right? That's the whole background behind this company. You're going to get a lot of that sweetness. Super sweet. All that sweet pulls and all the heat pulls. It's so good. This is my other thing, Famous Dave's Devil's Spit.
Everett chips and that is like the perfect degree of of spicy but not hurt it doesn't hurt at all at all zero pain it's just like the perfect amount of big heat but not pain and it's not even it's not you don't taste the heat yeah it's just warm you taste pickle but you feel the heat man that's really good that's a good other thing It's also like a show and tell. Because it brought a snack. Yeah, that's right. You know, it's spicy enough that I can't remember what my other thing is. So I guess we just wrap.
Andrew Yeah, have another pickle.
Everett So I got a $50 gift card to Walgreens. Interesting. Yeah. I have questions. Okay, all your questions will be answered at another time off air, but I got a $50 gift card to Walgreens.
Andrew And I thought, well, from like grandma for Valentine's Day or something like what's, what am I going to get with 50?
Everett You know, you can use it on anything. You can use it on prescription drugs. You can use it on beer, on beer, over the counter drugs. You can use it on anything. But I thought, well, you get 50 bucks and it was a gift. What should I do with this $50? And so I thought, well, maybe I'll just go sort of walk around. So I've needed a pair of earbuds for a while because I had a pair of earbuds and then they broke and it's a whole thing and I was going to buy Apple and then I didn't buy the Apple and then I was going to buy this other brand and I got on a pre-order, but they're been sold out for like three months and so I didn't buy those. And so I've just need, I just haven't had earbuds, which is fine. It's a small problems to have. But I saw, so JLABS is a brand of headphones and earpods and in the last several years they've sort of had a good reputation for making high quality but affordable stuff. I saw that they had two separate pairs of earbuds. So I got the JLABS Air true wireless earbuds. They're 30 bucks. I thought, well, for 30 bucks, I'll take a flyer on these for 30 free bucks for 30 free bucks. I'll take a flyer on these. They've got like a charging box, just like, you know, every other earbud on the face of the earth. Now, um, I won't read specs or whatever, but I just, I put these in my ears. They instantly connected and they're fantastic. I'm like, You know, I'm a guy who drives a 20 year old Lexus because I just don't see... Because they're cooler? Yeah, maybe. But also I just like a good deal, right? And so I put these... The problem is you put a high quality pair of $30 earbuds in your ear and you're like, why would I ever spend more than this? And I realize that there's very good reasons why I might, but at some point, you know, there's diminishing returns. I put these things in my ear and I was like, I think these might be perfect. They sound great. I made calls on them, and the call quality was supposedly great. I obviously didn't hear it.
Andrew For the microphone, he heard the call. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Everett And I'm just like, well, maybe I'm a $30 earbud guy.
Andrew You bought the Go Air true wireless Bluetooth earbuds plus charging case? So yes, the Go Air.
Everett true wireless plus charging case. There's also, they also had another pair called the go air pop and they were 20 bucks. I did not get the $20 ones. I got the $30 ones.
Andrew The black are available on Amazon for $13.
Everett I don't doubt that for a second. It was Walgreens. Yeah.
Andrew No, I'm just saying they're available for the red ones are 30 everything else.
Everett Are they the pops or the, the go air? Go Air True Wireless. That's the one, man. So $13. We'll put it in the show notes. Or $20. Or $30. For $13, man. I'm telling you. Holy crap. They sound great. I mean, it's definitely like a consumer grade V, EQ. But as far as that goes, it was really very good You know, I think that the the silicone inserts are a little bit inflexible. So I think you may have a bit of fatigue after a while. I'm sure you could get aftermarket ones that would be more comfortable. But for my part, I put them in and it was not real squishy. So I suspect that that might bug me after all.
Andrew But I have squishies, though. They get nasty.
Everett I haven't had my ear for longer than about an hour. And for that hour, it was totally fine. So that's good. 13 dollar impulse buy. Free gift certificate, overpaid by two times too much, earbuds. That's my other thing for the week. Supported local, right? I don't think so. I don't think so. At least local employees.
Andrew Yes. Or buy it on Amazon.
Everett For 13 bucks. Yeah. I think that's it. That's all I have for you. We're right in an hour, which is pretty good for us. really good for us. Our goal is always an hour. We've made it twice. We did not make it today. No.
Andrew Cause it is one hour and 18 minutes. I forget where that was, but it showed our metrics. Our average episode length is like 72 minutes.
Everett Yeah. Hour 17 I think is where we're at right now. Yeah. Or no, you're right. Hour 12. Yeah. Yeah.
Andrew It's like, that's not bad.
Everett Also based on engagement, I think we may be the fifth most popular watch podcast. in the world right now.
Andrew That's what it said.
Everett That is what it said. I don't know how they sourced that information, but we're doing big things here, you guys. It's somebody who has no vested interest in us being number five. That's right. I also think it's completely robot based. So whatever their search criteria it is, they liked us.
Unknown Yeah.
Everett Fifth most popular watch podcast out there. Behind, obviously, some pretty great candidates. but also I think in front of some folks that I was pretty surprised by. I was shocked.
Andrew Yeah. That we weren't like that we're even on the list was shocking enough to me. It was the top 5000 watch podcasts. It's like, man, we're on this list. That's great. Yeah, not 5000. I made a list.
Everett All right. Closing thoughts.
Andrew I'm out of things, man.
Everett I'm all out of things, too. I don't think I'm having more pickles, though. I'm going to have one more. They made me a little drooly. My the back of my head is wet.
Unknown Yeah, it is.
Andrew That's why it says it's an aphrodisiac.
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