Episode 159 - Interview with Zakir Miah of Haim Watch Co

Published on Wed, 10 Nov 2021 21:01:52 -0800

Synopsis

This podcast episode features a conversation with Zakir, the owner of Haim Watch Co, a microbrand watch company. Zakir discusses the design process and inspirations behind his watches, including the Legacy chronograph and the new Descent sports watch. He talks about incorporating unique features like a pulsometer, tachymeter, and GMT bezel, while keeping the watches affordable. Zakir also shares his background as a passionate watch collector and the lessons he's learned in running a microbrand.

The hosts also discuss other topics like parenthood, car preferences, and useful tools like a window punch for breaking tempered glass in emergencies. Overall, it's an insightful episode that delves into the world of microbrands and watch design from an independent creator's perspective.

Transcript

Speaker
Everett Hello, fellow watch lovers, nerds, enthusiasts, or however you identify. You're listening to 40 and 20, the Watch Clicker podcast with your host, Andrew and my good friend Everett. Hi. We talk about watches, food, drinks, life and other things we like. Everett, how are you? I'm good. You know, I was just telling you, I'm feeling a little ho-hum, but as soon as we like, had the music, I know it's like, you know, I actually I'm having a good time. It's good. It's Tuesday. Yeah, it's yeah, it is. It is Tuesday. Yeah. it's like a little bit there's a little canadian of you it's tuesday yeah okay this isn't great i'm sorry that's median canadian we're drinking natty light seltzers no it's terrible i don't know what this flavor is it's not good it's called zest i ever had it's strawberry lemonade it's not the best you know i'm gonna drink it i have to remember these are six percent yeah last time they weren't
Unknown We're like, Oh, they're four cents filters.
Everett No, I feel like extra 2% when you come consume an extra couple gets you. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's right. That's right. Andrew, how are you? I'm good. I'm still really digging this diver one. We have it on loan, but I have it on loan. I suppose you could probably borrow it too, but it's lovely. Yeah, no, I might work for a day or two. I have been really struggling against buying one. I like it so much. You're going to get the titanium one, correct? I think so. Yeah, if I get one, I'm kind of in that spot where I I know I won't wear it, I just want to have it. Not because I don't like it, but I just have other things that I would wear more often. This would be like a quarterly worn watch. But at the price it is, I'm kind of like, is that really a... Is the titanium one automatic or is it a quartz? I think it's still quartz. I think they're all quartz. Well, they have an automatic. Are they treasure seekers? They have automatic, but it's a dumb name. But yeah, I think the titanium is still using that quartz movement. I've got a watch in for review, a new watch. This is the Tool Watch Co Arctic. I like it. It's a, it's a, I would, I would call this diminutive. It is a, maybe diminutive is the wrong word. It's a conservatively sized 38 millimeters, I believe. Titanium cased, field watch, square lugs, which you know me, that, that does it, square lugs. It's got a sterile bezel. Uh, you know, I really like this watch. I've only had it now for just a little over a day. Um, and, and coincidentally the same day I got this, Wes and Colin also sent a notice sector field watch. And so I, these have, you know, I've only had this for about 24 hours and it's been splitting time. But I will say thus far, I really, really, really liked this watch. The size is right. Um, You know, meteorite dials, I'm not a huge fan. This is super subtle. Pictures would make it not seem very subtle, but in this light, it's very subtle. You know what's not subtle? The shark tooth hand? The shark tooth hand is not subtle. No, the dial, so more to come on the Arctic. I think it's a great watch. I'm really excited to write this review. No, you know what's not subtle is the dial on the sector field. So I've seen many pictures. I gotta be honest, not my favorite dial. the I think we've got some other watches and somebody to talk about them with us. Yeah. Enough of our yammering. Yeah. Yeah. So from Haim Watch Co, we've got live on the line from Kansas City by way of Chicago owner, Zakir. How are you?
Zakir Hey, I'm doing well. How about you guys?
Everett Doing really well, man. We are. It's early for us still. It's early enough for us still. It's not quite as early for you. And I want to thank you for joining us a little late, uh, over there. How's Kansas city this evening?
Zakir You know, the weather, I haven't gone out much. I've been inside pretty much majority of the day from we're talking from 6 30 AM up until almost 7 PM.
Everett That's all day. Is there like a heaviness kind of hanging over the city of Kansas City right now with the way the Chiefs are performing?
Zakir Well, you know, I'm actually an hour away. I'm in Overland Park.
Everett OK.
Zakir OK. So you're far enough away. Outside of being inside of a convention center, I haven't gone anywhere.
Everett Yeah. Yeah. Well, maybe a more pressing question then for you, being a son of Chicago Is there a heaviness over the city of Chicago right now? A David Montgomery size, uh, weight over the city of Chicago right now, uh, based on the way the bears are playing, you know, we're Seattle fans, or at least I'm a Seattle man.
Zakir So that's why it rains here. It happens every year. I just think that's a never ending. I mean, the last time we won was God, I was five.
Everett So the Super Bowl shuffle, right?
Zakir Oh, yeah. That was my time. And at that point, we get to the point there's been years where we'll get so close, but no cigar.
Everett Well, enough about football. You know what I found about watch people watch people are more or less. They are less likely than the average. So so, yeah, obviously a hobby dominated by men. I think the average watch person is less likely to be a football fan than the average adult male. That's my completely unscientific. I was going to talk you up. I was going to say that's your peer reviewed position. Oh yeah. I don't know if you've had the same experience. I feel like watch people don't like football for sports.
Zakir My first sport, my first sport of choice is, um, is baseball.
Everett That makes sense. Coming out of Chicago.
Zakir So not just that, not just that. It was also the first sporting event I've ever been to with my with my father.
Everett Oh, so there's like that. That's that's baseball right there. That really sentimental. I mean, that's it right there in a nutshell. I've got you pegged as a Cubs fan. Not at all.
Zakir I'm a White Sox fan.
Everett OK, well, you know, that's I hope I didn't offend you, but I did have you pegged as a Cubs fan.
Zakir You know what? So he's going to sign off. Growing up on the southwest side of Chicago, the first game I ever I ever went to was White Sox game and that was at Comiskey and that's kind of where I've sided with and even though in my teen in my teen years I moved to the north side of the city which is basically the Cubs and Sox are divided by north and south and even though I moved up I was pretty much the outlier because I was in a in Cubs territory but as a White Sox fan.
Everett All right, fair enough. So your first game when when was that first game? Because I I'm just trying to I've got you a peg. You told us how old you are. I won't reveal that information, OK? But I've got you pegged as a Frank Thomas rookie season kind of guy.
Zakir I was I was eight or nine, so I don't remember all the details.
Everett You know, this might reveal something that may have been Frank Thomas's rookie season.
Zakir Well, you know what? I mean, I, well, yeah, I told you my age. I'm 41. So, uh, that being said, we're talking 1980, 1988. Yeah.
Everett Yeah. Well, huge, huge Frank Thomas fan, not necessarily Cubs fan, but I think Frank Thomas is one of the greatest baseball players of all time. So, okay. I don't feel like that was quite the sign on.
Zakir I was expecting, you know, I teach their own. to each their own, because I was really torn because on one hand, here I am in Chicago. I'm a budding White Sox fan, but then on any time I turn on the TV, there would be Oakland A's with the bash brothers. So I was a fan of them too. Yeah. And this is before the Priya team. I like finger quotes.
Everett We have to say our finger quotes out loud. Yeah. No, interesting time in baseball. It was, it was a time for. a when everybody was on fucking juice and just hitting 70 home runs a year. And everyone looked like the rock walking up to the plate, like just not even able to fully swing. It was just kind of a half twist because they couldn't get their arms close enough to their side. That's a good time for baseball. The Sammy Sosa, Mark McGuire record year was so fucking fun. People who didn't like baseball liked that year. It was like, look at these guys, man. Part of me is like, we really should just have Starship Troopers movie, not book, A Starship Trooper is sort of like... Like an XFL? Yeah, just do it to it, man. Take any possible substance on earth. Nothing is illegal. Just go to town and hit the fuck out of the ball. And it's only three players on the field. So we are not here to talk about baseball, Chicago Cubs, Oakland A's or otherwise. We're here to talk about you, you specifically, and your budding watch company, Haim Watch Co. Hame is a new player, right? And we actually met you. You reached out to me one day, bright-eyed and bushy-tailed, perhaps, and said, Hey, I'm releasing a watch. It's not out yet, but I'm trying to get some traction. Would you guys be interested in doing a giveaway? And we said, Yeah, of course. Let's do a giveaway together. And we've been, I would say, internet friends since. And here we are, you know what, 18 months later, you've now had an iteration on your first watch or are about to have an iteration and you've got your second watch. So tell us about it. What is, hey, what are you doing here?
Zakir So, you know, the brand, it's something I started just because I can't stop talking about watches. I can't stop dreaming about watches. I've been into watches forever. I collect watches on my own and Initially, I would just start doing sketches and just drawing stuff of my own. And, you know, in the early stages of the pandemic hit, that's when I had a bit more time to start doing renders. So I would do renders and I would show them to some people and such. And, you know, the feedback I got was, hey, this is incredible. What are you doing with this? I don't know. Well, hell, I want one. And, you know, that's when I decided, OK, let's see what I could do. Let's see if this can actually become something. And, you know, I've, I've gotten familiar with the micro grin and affordable watch space. So I figured I wanted to do something that would be within that realm. And that's when I came out, came out with the first model, the leg, the legacy chronograph. And from there, you know, it's been a learning process. And here we are a year after I'm on the tails of another update, the legacy special edition, as well as the descent. Uh, two different, two very different pieces.
Everett Very different pieces. Very different pieces. And I will say I was amongst, I think the very first people to see, uh, to see these in the metal. Yeah, you were, you know, we, so we met all at wind up on Friday, the first day of wind up. And you said, man, I'm a little stressed. I was like, why are you stressed, man? I'm supposed to have these watches and I haven't got my watch. I just got this my my table materials. There's a shipping problem. You know, it's like one of those. It's like one of those situations where you almost just have to like smile and chuckle. And I think that's what you did. I think you did a really good job and you were there, but I felt sort of stressed for you.
Zakir Well, you know, I everything was at the 11th hour. Everything. the my registration for wind up getting there, squeezing it in, in between my actual profession and even just getting a Kickstarter campaign ready for these two watches. Everything happened at the very last minute.
Everett Wait, wait, wait, wait. So I don't understand because we all know that we've talked to lots of micro rent owners and I think everybody gets rich doing this. So why are you you also have a day job?
Zakir Oh yeah, unfortunately. Maybe I, maybe I am doing it wrong.
Everett I think you are just based on, on the general feedback. Yeah, no, that seems right. Yeah. We're teasing you obviously. Uh, yeah. Teasing obviously.
Zakir I know I'm, I'm being sarcastic in response.
Everett You know, I think that, um, I think that you, your experience is, is really common. You know, we, we go to wind up and we talk about, um, these booths, you know, obviously, uh, you know, you've got these major companies, right? You've got Hamilton, you've got these Oris, right? These huge established companies, and they've got a fucking table, right? It looks like a Macy's counter, right? Just wall-to-wall watches. Probably more in decorations than most brands are bringing in inventory. Yeah, right. But I think that that's actually not the beautiful part of an event like Wind-Up. I think the beauty in Wind-Up lies in folks like you. And, you know, I chuckled a little bit. We've talked about this, Andrew and I, but Aloha Watches, Spencer from Aloha Watches is there. And he's got, you know, his full size, he's got the same size table as Oris. And he's got, you know, a display with four watches, you know, And so it's kind of stark, the contrast between these things. But, you know, my, my, I think, favorite moments of windup, we're talking to folks like you and talking to Spencer, what's that feel like, though, as an owner? You know, you show up on Friday, and you don't even have the materials that you've bought and paid for for windup. What does that feel like?
Zakir You know, I you get nervous, you get stressed out. You just wonder, okay, what is going to happen? And then ultimately you have the pep talk with yourself and keep reassuring yourself that, Hey, you know what? You're going to do the best you can with what you have. And also that's just something even growing up, just my entire life. It's kind of been, I've had to do the best I can with whatever I was getting. So I have that scrappy attitude. And I think it's something that served me well in moments such as that. And thankfully on Saturday, everything, everything came in. So I had all my, all my materials on Saturday and that was a much better day.
Everett That's the day you need it for. Saturday is a bigger day.
Zakir So, I mean, so what ended up happening just right now, because you know, logistics are a mess right now with the pandemic. Everything is crazy.
Everett Yeah.
Zakir Freight is screwed up. As a matter of fact, I've received notices from UPS and DHL. You know, I have shipping accounts with them. And I received notices with them telling me, Hey, starting November, we're jacking up our prices. So now all the freight across the board is going to be anywhere from 10 to 15% higher. Yeah.
Everett Yeah. You know, we had Wes and Colin on about three weeks ago and, you know, even bigger companies, right. These guys are, are essentially. doing the work of an OEM, so they've got one less stop in between them and the factories, and they're feeling the pain. Everybody uniformly is feeling the pain. I think that for a company that's getting off the ground, that's got to feel like a lot of pressure.
Zakir It does, because even professionally, I've seen it where logistics to get something from one side of the country to the other, where it at one point would cost around $10,000 to $12,000, it's now $25,000. And twice as long. Yeah. Yeah. Way more time.
Everett Well, why don't we talk about your first watch? So the OG Legacy, because I think it's a pretty neat watch. I'm not sure. I'm not sure that you can actually appreciate that watch at first glance. I think that there's a tremendous amount going on. And I think that I've heard. I'm sorry. Go ahead. Well, I guess I guess just to sort of finish that thought. And then I want to hear what you're going to say. I think that there is it's it's sort of many watches. You know, for instance, we talked a little bit about this watch. This is the Arctic the tool watch company Arctic. It's a titanium field watch. Um, and there's some stuff going on here, but, but it's kind of like a cool titanium field watch. I think that the legacy, there's maybe more going on. And I think that's maybe harder to appreciate a watch like the legacy. There's a lot of design. And I think from my perspective, as a consumer of watches, you sort of, It inspires more questions than answers. I want to know about the person who designed this watch. What are you thinking? Can we talk a little bit? I think anytime someone puts down the money, the time, the effort to make a watch that says something about who they are as a collector, and I'd like to know what that is. What is that from you?
Zakir So, uh, the story behind the legacy and actually all of my watches and just feedback that I get from people is, yeah, these are much better in the metal. Like you have to really put one in your hands to actually appreciate it.
Everett Undoubtedly true.
Zakir Yes. And as far as design, when I designed everything, the big thing I wanted to, to avoid is I don't want to copy anybody else's design. I don't want to have any inspiration from anybody else's design. I want these to be, as original as possible. And it's just stuff that I enjoy out of watches. So I put together the features that I enjoyed the most on a chronograph, the pulsometer and tachometer, except I didn't want it to be too busy on the dial. So I made the tachometer into a chapter ring. So these are just things that I really haven't seen too much. And again, the design element, the style, the fonts, the whole line. don't want it to be reminiscent of any other piece out there. I don't want to say, hey, I'm trying to recreate a vintage piece and then use acrylic on a crystal instead of sapphire. No, I'm going to ding my wrist against something, so I would rather have a sapphire crystal. And ultimately, at the end, the watches are just something that I wouldn't want to wear. I initially and ultimately designed them for me.
Everett What was your thinking behind the movement choice using the ST movement? What was there? Because everything is clearly very thought out. The way you use ATT&CK as a chapter ring with a pulse meter is a really unique integration of those two functionalities. And I dig that. So I know that everything is very deliberate. And I want to hear about the movement choice.
Zakir Everything is very deliberate. That could be a good or a bad thing. It may work for me or work against me. Movement-wise, I'll talk about it all. Movement-wise, I went into the ST-1901 for a few reasons. One, I was adamant about a manual wine watch. I was also adamant about having a cogwheel on the chronograph. I was also adamant at keeping it at a certain price point. and then a manual wine chronograph movement with the column wheel that has a little bit of history and still under $600.
Everett You know, I know we've talked about this on the show before, but to the extent someone hasn't heard this story, or at least just the the briefest the briefest portion of this story, Venus, Venus, when Venus was sort of on its on its last legs, wound up selling the design and and all of the hardware, all of the tooling and the machines to make the Venus 125, they sold them to Seagull. You know, Seagull, probably the biggest movement making company in the world, I think. And it was a really sort of odd transaction in the way of watches. But historically speaking, I think it's pretty neat. And I don't know that everybody appreciates how cool it is that you can, today, for about $125 a part, I think, give or take, depending on, you know, the various costs, get a classic Swiss-designed column wheel chronograph in 2021. I mean, that's nuts. And it's a pretty, it's a pretty significant thing that, you know, I think people don't properly appreciate that movement.
Zakir No. And well, you know, any of those movements, especially anything that isn't Swiss, it's going to get dismissed immediately, especially by, there's a certain sector of collectors that are a bit snootier.
Everett The douchebags. Yeah. The neck beards.
Zakir Well, even with the Miyota movement, they'll still scoff at it. Like, oh, it's not Swiss.
Everett Those people are dumb. Yeah, they don't know what they're doing. They're dead to us.
Zakir I mean, there are those people. I mean, there's still going to be a group of that. I get it. But, you know, for this, you for what you get for what it can do. And also just in my personal in my personal life, I have a piece with the civil movement and I've had it for two years and it's been very reliable considering I paid next to nothing for it. You know, the choice made sense, especially for this and especially as as creating something that I would consider an entry level piece because I wanted it to be a piece that still stays within that price point.
Everett What's that? What is that price point for you?
Zakir That's $499. $499.99 or $500 all in. That's what that's what should be.
Everett I think it's a really reasonable number.
Zakir So that's what that's what the watch and what the watch you get it. I mean, I you get 100 meters of water resistance, which is a lot for most chronographs. No, most are 50.
Everett Yeah. You're beating the Speedmaster professional. Yeah.
Zakir Fuckers. You get that, you get the, you get a very unique design because even, even what the design would help with the tachometer on the chapter ring and then on the dial itself, the hour markers are applied and they actually really have a nice shine against the, against any reflection. So when you stare at it, it kind of creates a bit of a snow globe feel to it. Hmm.
Everett Let's, let's talk, talk about a heart rate monitor. Can we talk about it? Yeah, I want to talk about it. Pulsometer. Yeah. Pulsometer. What, what are, what's, what's the thinking behind that? I mean, it's like, it's a cool functionality.
Zakir It's a cool function. It's something that doctors used back in the God knows when, but at that time with their watches, what you would do is you would activate the chronograph Versa would find the pulse, start the chronograph, count 15 beats and stop. And wherever it landed, that number, that's what their heart rate is. And I've tested it on myself, on my wife and, you know, against an actual heart rate monitor. And it's pretty spot on.
Everett I dig it. No, I think, I think it's a fantastic complication. You know, we, we've got, um, we've got some friends of the show that, uh, are in medical professions and between pulsometers and, magnetic resistance. Those are the things that are the most common for those professionals. I don't know how valuable, professionally speaking, a pulsometer is today. But, you know, I say this often. Is it a tachometer? I mean, is it? You know, I say... Besides your old Lexus, that was valuable. Yeah, I need it in the Lexus, that's right. The The whole hobby is anachronistic. It just inherently watches. The interest in watches is this inherently anachronistic interest. And so, fucking A, that's cool. I love it. I love the fact that you've got a tachymeter and a pulsometer because they're both... Now, if you could also include a telemeter, in the next one. Yep. I'd appreciate that. I need all three, frankly. There's a way.
Zakir I wanted to avoid another reason with putting the tachometer in a chapter ring is I wanted the dial to have function, but also not be too busy.
Andrew Yeah.
Zakir If you put all three, the dial itself tends to get a bit busy. And I can see that I can see that as a homage to the earlier styles, but it's not something that I chose to do at this time. Also, I've honestly I don't think I personally would ever use a telemeter.
Everett Oh my gosh, I use it weekly. I mean, he uses a slide rule for a soft-boiled egg timer, so he can find a way. I think you've done a really cool thing in pulling all these very heritage, legacy ideas and this legacy cool movement into this thing that looks very modern without a true analysis of it, without really digging into this watch. Like, oh cool, chronograph
Zakir That's what I wanted to do. And I wanted it to be something I enjoy. I made it, made it for me and that design. It's something that I don't ever want to have a comparison to something else. That's already out there. I, I feel that if this watch, that if I get comparisons or it's like, Oh yeah, this reminds me of so-and-so then I feel that I did it wrong. And I also, even as a brand, I don't want to keep cranking out watches or new models year after year. if the ideas would run stale.
Everett Let's talk a little bit about your background in watches, because you're not a full-time or a professional industry person, right? We've interviewed at this point maybe 50 or 60 brand owners, I don't know, something like that. Many. And there's just a really wide swath of backgrounds. Everything from dedicated watchmaking school, uh, to grew up in it. That's like, like leg generational legacy people to folks like you, right. Who are ostensibly outsiders, um, and, and enthusiasts. So talk a little bit about your enthusiasm. I want to know, I want to know when watches as our friend, AJ Barse, of the Bellingham podcast would say, why watches?
Zakir You know, I, growing up as a kid, my father had my father had two watches. And again, I come from a very, very, very humble background. And I'm putting it very politely come from very humble beginnings. My father had two watches, and one was a Seiko, and the other was a Bermuda. But even then, he would still keep them in great condition, and he would always tell me, you know, you can tell a lot by a person's, or by a man's character, by how they're dressed, and whether they have a watch on. And that's what he used to tell me. And, you know, mind you, I'm first generation in this country. So that was the, that was his immigrant perspective. It stuck with me. And growing up, I've been into watches since throughout high school, you know, that's when you start really, you know, when you have your little part-time job and you start having some money where you can buy your own watches. Now, you know, you're buying a freaking fossil at the mall. Yep. So that's me. That's me. Yeah. Those are the DK and Y watches or something.
Everett It's bling down diamonds and you have no idea how good of a deal you've got on it. Cause it's got all those diamonds on it. Yeah, I'm a fossil blue with the with the single diamond.
Zakir Oh, classic. So, you know, it started from there. And I've just been in to watch a sense. And then when I finally was older out of college, I had saved up some money and I bought my first quote unquote real watch. And this is in the early 2000s. And I've kind of been down the rabbit hole since.
Everett All right. Out with it. How was it? Out with it.
Zakir It was a pre-owned Submariner. Yeah, you did. It was a pre-owned Submariner and I got it for exactly $3,000. Oh my gosh.
Everett I like have chills and a little nausea thinking about that. With inflation about $4,700. So do you still have that watch? I don't. You dumbass. I'm just joking, man.
Zakir I don't. And the reason is because over the time, I mean, from now, from 2003 to 2021, I've I've purged my collection a few times as, you know, I try to consolidate pieces and trying to acquire different pieces. So I just I've been on that journey of my personal collection.
Everett Are you kind of a revolving door collector then?
Zakir Well, I have a couple sentimental pieces that I know, OK, these are not going to go anywhere, but everything else. Kind of, but right now where I'm at personally is now I am working on scaling my collection to something that I'm not, that I'm not going to get rid of, or I mean, something that I will be fully content with at least for the next five, 10 years.
Everett So let's hear it. So, so you, you've got, you've got a watch brand, so we don't want to, we don't want to assume that your, your keepers are not your own watches, but to the extent that they are not your own watches. What, what are the pieces that you think perhaps define you as a collector? The pieces, the watches, I don't know, people, this is weird.
Zakir I feel that my collection, my, my collection should be a varied blend of price points, some braille pieces, some midsmears, some affordables, beaters. So I feel that I, my watch box should have all of those pieces. And you know, I've, um, I mean, just whatever I've been able to achieve professionally, it's allowed me to even consider a Braille piece, which I'm thankful for. And that's what I feel a good collection would be something that covers all that covers the whole gamut. And you have different as
Everett aren't necessarily inspiring your designs, but that's your taste. That's kind of what you, those are the watches that you're reaching for, which are, are kind of giving birth.
Zakir Well, I can tell you, I can tell you this. My personal favorite brand, my personal favorite, favorite brand is Anangul and Sona. Yeah.
Everett Which is just a lovely company, right? I would say my top three brands, um,
Zakir And these all fall within the Grail, the Grail watch space. So it would be Arlong Golden Sona, FP Jordan, Patek.
Everett Well, you could do a lot worse than that. Yeah. You know, we talk a lot. In fact, I'm going to actually quote my friend Andrew. There's this idea that you, the individual collector, Andrew, says you make the value. Right. So my personal collection, I think, is much different than Andrew's personal collection. And we often, you know, we talk amongst ourselves and, Oh, that's an Everett watch. Oh, that's an Andrew watch. You know, I, I'm sort of famous for having this weird nineties JDM titanium G shock that I'm totally smitten with. And then going to, going to watch time and falling in love with, uh, a diamond bell and Ross, you know, We all have things, and so not asking you to name drop perhaps, but if you could sort of isolate maybe one or two watches that you think, like, this is who I am as a collector.
Zakir I would definitely, if that were the case, I would definitely put the Lange 1 as one of them. It's a great watch. So that one, it's It's a classical beast that you can pretty much dress up or dress down. You can wear it with a suit. You can even, even though it's considered the dress watch, you can wear it with jeans.
Everett Yeah. Man, it's 2021. The rules about watches, like our friend Rich, uh, Time Titans, AKA Wellsboro, uh, has this 1940s Patek Calatrava, uh, that, We tried this watch on and I was like, I'd wear this with car hearts or I'd wear it with dress pants, you know, 2021 the rules are gone.
Zakir Yeah. So, I mean, that's one watch that I would say really is something that I really enjoy. And it's a watch that I think, I mean, it sparks a lot of emotion whenever I see it.
Andrew That makes sense.
Zakir So that that's one. And another one would be a Rolex OP 39.
Everett All right. I like where your head's at.
Zakir I like where your head's at. The OB30, the OB39, it just wears so well. It wears great. It's not too bulky. It's not too thin. And the finishing on it, on the dial, it's really nice. And it's like, I have the rhodium one. That's actually my wedding watch. So that will never go anywhere. So it has a rhodium dial and you know, there's teal markers and teal accents on it. And just those small little details. that you won't notice if you see it from afar or even at first glance. You have to sit with it for a few minutes and really pay attention before you notice it. So that's, uh, I think that would be who I am as a collector, but then on the, on the other side of it, I, another thing I would say would be a Laco pilot watch. That's a great watch to have it. I have the Akin 39. Love that watch. Yeah. I have the Atkin 39. The loom on it is incredible. It's a fun watch to wear. I've taken that watch on some pretty fun adventures and it stands.
Everett It's under $500. It's classic German engineering, luxury watch company. Yeah, I got it for $300. Well, those days are maybe behind us. However...
Zakir Well, actually, the best part is on their website. You know, they take Instagram posts who they favor of watches and my Instagram posts for that specific watch are under their Instagram page or on their website in their watch inspiration section.
Everett It's fantastic. You know, that's such a neat company.
Zakir Yeah, they are.
Everett It's such a neat company.
Zakir They are. And well, on that side to have a vintage Grand Seiko. Uh, 1976, one, four, six, eight thousand.
Everett Grammar of design. Classic grammar of design. Grant's Echo.
Zakir Yep. I have one of those and I have a G-Shock, which I modded and put into a, I put into an Audemars case. No. I put into a modded Royal Oak bracelet in Casey.
Everett Like, uh, like a Cassie Oak.
Zakir Yeah. But now I call it the Frodomar.
Everett That's good. I like that. I like that. Can we talk a little bit about your lessons, the lessons you've learned? So so we talked a lot about the legacy and the OG legacy.
Zakir And so, you know, everything was everything was thought out and we never got to finish that part. So I put I put thought into everything and which is where I was going with where I said, hey, you know what this is? It could be for better or for worse, but everything does have thought behind it. So when I designed the watch with the dimensions, I have to make sure it can fit me. First and foremost, I have a 6.25 inch wrist. So that would be considered a small wrist. So I needed the watch to fit me, but like for me, I can comfortably wear a 34 millimeter watch and I'm good. There are people out there that won't. They need 42 and up. They need a 44 millimeter or 41, which is fine, which is why with the design on the original legacy, what I did. is I tried to expand the case to create the visual illusion of the watch wearing bigger than what it is. So the dial is larger, the bezel is smaller, but I also added crown guards on the side to create depth on the case. So this way, when you're staring at it, it seems much bigger than a 39.5. Now, one of the feedback that I got from that was it made the crown a bit difficult to wind, especially for those who have bigger fingers.
Everett Well, and so an ST-1901, not an automatic movement, right? So there's no wind as you walk function.
Zakir There's no wind as you walk function. Now for me on the legacy, I don't have a problem with it, but then again, I don't have the biggest fingers. I mean, my fingers are, I'd say normal, but they're not necessarily, I'm not a big person.
Everett You don't have summer sausage fingers. Yeah. Thank you. I've met you Zakir and you're not the biggest man, but you're not tiny either.
Zakir So, you know, I, so for me, it works. Um, some people, some people have said that they found it difficult, but also the other thing that made it a bit, that made it a bit stiff initially is there was a gasket underneath it. I put a gasket there for additional water resistance, which is allowing me to get the 100 meters of water resistance. So that combined made it a bit difficult, which, you know, I, there was a review out there that did speak about it and I Some customers have reached out, which I explained to them. So I was able to fix it going off from that on the new one, on the new model.
Everett So you've introduced two new, the SE model, the special edition.
Zakir The special edition and the descent.
Everett Lovely colorways, by the way. Yeah. What's that? Lovely colorways on these, by the way.
Zakir So with the SE, that's actually going to be the last time, the last watch that I use with the ST-19 So I, from there, I have some other ideas in my, in my mind, which as soon as they bring them to life, I'll let you get an early preview. If it comes out, if it comes out the way that I have it in my mind, they will be. I think incredible.
Everett How does that feel? So how does it feel? So, you know, you, you, you referenced a review. Um, we don't need a name drop here because, uh, Uh, that's, that's sort of a fool's game, but you got feedback and subjective. It is subjective, right? And so there's this, we talk about this a lot, but this, uh, pivot point, right? Is this subjective? Is this objective? When do I make the decision to change what I want based on feedback, opinion, desires, right? We know that crowdsourcing design can be, um, at best boring and at worst catastrophic. So how do you make those decisions?
Zakir So, so you did make decisions for the, well, for this one, the first decision or what I had to get out of the mindset of this is 100% for me. because now I have to remember if I'm selling it to other people, I need other people to feel that it's for them too. So that's the first thing. And so, you know, I take reviews, I take customer feedback, very important. I mean, I take that, I take that to heart. I will keep, if I hear from whatever feedback I get, I want to make sure that I consider it.
Everett Which is super different than reviewer feedback. And I think, I mean, I know you know that, but I want to remind you of that. Reviewers, we're, we're terrible creatures, just like, Like the scum of the earth, bad human beings.
Zakir Oh, no, no. You know what? No, not even that. I just I take it with a grain of salt because it's all subjective. Yeah. Because you know what? What you would think is there may be something that I think is phenomenal that you may disagree with. And I get it. But, you know, again, I have to remember, hey, this I'm making watches, even though it's my design and I designed it for me, other people that are not me are going to be wearing them. So that's the big thing that I have to keep in mind. So the first watch, the OG, the OG, uh, uh, Legacy, sorry, I'm drawing a blank. Uh, that one, I released it without any crowdfunding and no crowdsourcing or nothing. That was just through the community. These watches I've released through Kickstarter and mainly just because as such a small and new brand, I don't have a marketing budget. I have no marketing funds and this would actually give me some, the much needed marketing that I that I would need as a brand. And also it gives me the exposure to a much larger group of people than I'd be able to reach out to on my own. And so far in the campaign, there's 17 days to go. I'm approximately 90% funded. And, um, the feedback that I've gotten has been great. People who've seen the watches, the new models, they're very happy with them, but not just that I get data from Kickstarter and that data is so valuable. I've been able to reach customers in other countries that I would not have probably that I wouldn't have reached without it. So now I know what I can do as the company grows. So even if I wanted, depending if I have a high amount of volume from a certain country, if I wanted to reach out there and do a limited edition just for that country, I can do so now because I have that data. And so with that, with the special edition on a legacy, I wanted to So the original, I went with the Panda reverse Panda dial format. I wanted to stay away from that this time. I wanted to go with a solid color, but also I wanted the finishing to be more towards high horology. So with these on the dial, the finishing is very different. It's a combination of a combination of sunburst and hammered metal finishing. So it really stands out. There's so many details and different layers. When you look at the watch, you'll see so many new things.
Everett Yeah. Yeah, no, that's immediately apparent, right? That the hammered the hammered rings on that dial really pop out immediately. And I think that you've gone maybe with more traditional coloring, too, on these. You didn't do the panda, but even the copper feels to me a little bit more traditional than your first two watches.
Zakir They are. I went with the copper and a salmon dial. But, you know, most salmon dials, they have pink tones to it. So I've removed all the pink and added copper, and that's why I call it Copper River. So now, though, when you move it around on one, it'll either resemble salmon or a shiny penny. Yeah. And that so far has been the fan favorite. Everybody loves it.
Everett That surprises me because I really like your guilt dial. Mm hmm.
Zakir The that's the that out of those two, the salmon one gets the most positive feedback and then the one gets that one comes in second.
Everett So with that second of two.
Zakir One second or two. Why? Cause in my, I, in my head, I'm thinking about the descent too, but then I have to remember, you know, separate that one. So outside of that, so outside, so outside of the dial being finished, I ended up, I was able to redesign the case. So I was able to redesign the case to remove the gasket, still keep 100%, 100 meters of water resistant. And I ditched the crown guard and increased the size of the crown itself. The crown is pretty much double the size and that way people with bigger fingers or bigger stature, people can operate the watch comfortably.
Everett Are you calling me fat? That's what I heard. It feels a little bit like he's calling me fat.
Zakir Yeah. You know, I do it all the time.
Everett No, no. You can just pile on. It's a thing we do. You know, I think, I think what you've done here is is really refreshing, right? So it's a watch that you look at and it feels familiar, but you've made sensical feedback driven changes. I really like what you've done. You've kept it.
Zakir There's one more thing I keep forgetting or I should not forget to mention on the on the copper dial. The hands are heated. They're thermally glued hands, which is a high horology feature I wanted to add to this. They're not painted. They're actually heated and they'll still be at a very attractive price point.
Everett Yeah. I mean, you have come up just a little bit, but in a way that feels inoffensive. Right. Yeah. We should talk about the Descent because, you know, we bring you on. I'm sure you want to talk about your new watches. I want to talk about your new watches. The Descent is super cool.
Zakir So with the descent, I wanted to make a sports watch. I don't necessarily call it a dive watch. I call it a sports watch. I wanted to make a sports watch that you can take anywhere, a watch that you can take on the beach, go in the water, play, have a day of volleyball, just do whatever and have that watch. But then the same night, if you're going out to dinner, you can still take it out to dinner with a blazer.
Everett The classic go anywhere, do anything.
Zakir Right. And to achieve that, the watch comes with two straps. It'll come with the silicone strap and the leather strap, and you can switch them out as needed. But even on top of that, I did a bunch of stuff to the dial. I created some guilloche. I created a guilloche center on it. The dial itself has three different layers. So there's one layer with the seconds. The second one has the hour markers in the loom. and the third is a geocenter. So I gave it very non-traditional finishing on the dial compared to what you would see in actual sports watches. The case itself is polished, 200 meters water resistance with a screw-down crown, open case back, Miyota 9039 premium caliber, the one that has hacking seconds. Yes, sir. And I even did something that a lot of micro brands don't do. I customized the rotor. That's a cool signature. All new customization onto the rotor. And for me, that's actually my first step into movement customization. And you know, I don't have the, I didn't go to a watchmaking school or anything. This is just stuff that I enjoy doing. I taught myself. I love it. Wait, wait, wait, wait. You did that. The rotor?
Everett Yeah. Like a laser engraver at your garage?
Zakir Not in my garage. Had to go somewhere.
Andrew Okay.
Everett Yeah. It's fun, you know, it's fun, these little touches, right? You've talked about affordability and you've also talked about hierology. Those two things don't go together. And we don't actually see, you know, very often brands successfully bringing those things together, right? We've talked to a lot of brands and you know famously um andrea has has talked about a brand you know doing sort of crystal barware for for the everyday man you know when when we when we had someone on they've added a venturine dial in a really inexpensive watch i think for me I really enjoy seeing those things. I love seeing a signed rotor. I love seeing, um, you know, little things that maybe, uh, are almost discordant when you, when you first think about them, but they just add, you know, the descent, I think we'd be doing a disservice to it if we didn't talk about, uh, The funky bezel. Exactly. I want to mention too, when you were talking about your, your rhodium OP, you were talking about these little details. And while you were doing that, I was looking at the descent on your website and it clicked and I saw it, not the design, but the little details. And you talk, you said your dad told you, you know, you're judged by what you're wearing and, and your watch. And I'm getting the sense, and I'm seeing in your watches, if you can do the little things right, everything else falls in place. And those little things are all so highlighted in all these designs that we've talked about. And I think the descent is where you've fully hit your stride in getting those little things right. The cohesiveness of all of these very unique details is really cool.
Zakir Thank you. Thank you. I appreciate that. And the, my favorite part is the, is the bezel on the descent. And again, I wanted this to be a watch that you can wear with the blazer. And, you know, so I opted not to go with the ceramic bezel, but the bezel itself, it's a polished, polished bezel. And what I call the duo bezel, it combines a dive timer and the GMT in one. So if this is a watch that you can take with you on vacation and you go to a different time zone, you can use it to track two time zones, take it to the beach, go out to dinner with it, and it wears so incredibly well. It's 39 millimeters, 45 millimeters top to bottom, 20 millimeters at the lugs, so people can change out whatever straps they want. It fits under a shirt cuff. And you know, for even just for as an added extra step or extra bonus, there's a helium escape valve on the side. Just why, why not? Why not? Doesn't it doesn't hurt.
Everett It doesn't hurt. And certainly it doesn't take from a watch. Um, talk to us a little bit about the design on the duo timer, because I, uh, I, I don't think I've seen this before. Sure. I have either. We talked a little bit about this in New York, but, um, You know, you went sort of with a side-by-side format on that. I assume that's going to be divisive. I think that you're going to have people that love it and people that just don't.
Zakir Yeah, it will be an acquired taste. I'm comfortable with that. I think it's great. I think it's something that I always wanted to do and I figured out a way how to do it. Also, just even talking to people that are within the neuroscience space that I know personally, They've mentioned, they've even helped me with the design as far as how it would work because your eyes and your brain automatically track what you want to track. So when you're staring at the bezel and you already have in your mindset, hey, I'm using this as a GMT, your eyes will automatically drift to the 12 instead of the 6.
Everett In terms of functionality, you've got a lot in here. Do you think that at some point you've got to make a decision about aesthetics versus functionality, or do you think you can do them both?
Zakir I'll take it per model. I think I would take it per model. For example, if I decided I wanted to do a dress watch, I would be more concerned about aesthetics only over function.
Andrew Right.
Zakir Like if it's going to be a tuxedo watch, then I wouldn't care about the water resistance. I 30, 30 meters would be fine. I wouldn't try to jam pack it with features. So it's really, it really depends on the type of watch, like the chronograph. You can have fun with it. Sport watches. You can have fun with it. Now, if you get into pilot's watches or field watches and dress watches, each category that I would try to get into, it would be different. It would be based on what I would try to achieve in that category.
Everett Have you got designs lined up and on deck for those categories?
Zakir I do. I am actually much more excited about a piece unique that I am working on.
Everett Are you just teasing us? Okay.
Zakir it's a piece it's a piece unique and it will be a chronograph and again this is just it's the vision right now and i'm making sure everything comes together but if it comes together i would want this this is a watch that i would let rotate i would send it to everybody let them have it for a couple weeks take pictures wear it do whatever you need to do with it and ultimately see if i can auction it off and use that money towards just for the greater good just donate it to something. And this is something, but the watch itself, if my vision comes out the way that I see it, it'll be freaking incredible.
Everett That's a great teaser. Uh, yeah. Keep us in mind. Zakir, you currently have two watches in pre-order through Kickstarter. Why don't you tell us how we can get to your Kickstarter and where you're, I know, I know. Okay. Look, it's fine. It's late. I've had three seltzers. They're 6%. Why don't you tell us how we can get to your Kickstarter, where you're at in terms of the sales and what we could expect to find, you know, Thursday morning in terms of availability.
Zakir Oh, well, you know, I right now it's on Kickstarter. You can just go to Kickstarter and type in Haymwatch company and it'll pop up. Or if you go to my Instagram page at Haymwatchco and just go into the bio, you'll see it right there. That's the easiest way to access it. And well, right now I am a bit under 90% funded. So about 4,000 or so to go and I'll be at my goal. And there's about 17 days remaining. So right now it's Tuesday. So we'll be at 15 days come Thursday.
Everett So for the for the legacy hybrid, which is a Mecca Quartz movement.
Zakir Well, yeah, I forgot about that. So on Kickstarter, I have two versions of the legacy SC. the mechanical and a hybrid. The hybrid is just for Kickstarter only. That's what the VK64 Mechacorts. The differences are one, of course, it'll be much more affordable. Two, I can reduce the thickness. The SE is 13 millimeters. The hybrid can be brought down to 11.
Everett And how much for those two watches, the SE and the hybrid?
Zakir I know the earlier, the early birds have sold out. So now the normal or the stage one is at $3.99. So there should be some $3.99 ones remaining before it goes up to $4.25. And the hybrids, the $1.99 are sold out. I know there's $2.49. Once the $2.49 go up, then it goes to $2.99. Now, the hybrid, though, that is only on Kickstarter. So whatever sells in the next 15 days in total, that's all I'm making for the hybrid one.
Everett If you want a Mecca Quartz, if you want a Mecca Quartz Legacy, Get on Kickstarter because that's the only way to get them.
Zakir Yeah, because once the campaign is done, I'm not producing. That's just the special for that. And how about for the dissent for the dissent? The early birds, there's still some. It starts at three ninety nine, which is a part of my French here. But I think it's a kick ass deal.
Everett It's a bang and a lot.
Zakir Sure. Two straps. You get a full watch that you can really a really rugged and durable watch. And that caliber is so good. The nine oh three nine. It's accurate. It's hacking. It has hacking seconds. So whenever you set the time, you can get the, you can get much more accurate time setting too.
Everett Look, man, we're on record. 9039 is a great moment. We're we're on record. Fantastic. And a sign crown. Okay. Fantastic.
Zakir So one of the questions, uh, about the, about the name, the name of the brand, because apparently there is a band with the same name.
Everett It is an all, all, all lady band.
Zakir Right. And mind you, I don't, I've never heard of them. I, I listened to Musically, I listen to nothing but hip hop. Okay, more specifically.
Andrew Yep. Okay.
Zakir So the name of the name of the brand name is actually my last name spelled backwards.
Everett I've read this.
Zakir Oh, when I started it, I wanted a bit of a namesake brand. And I just didn't the way my name sounded on a dial, it just didn't have the right zing to it. And I wanted to see if I can get a name that would be one syllable. Prolonged. And of course, my wife, in all of her wisdom, she is a much better, a much better person than me, suggested that I spell my name backwards.
Everett I would love to have been a fly on that wall for that conversation because my first reaction would be like, that's stupid. And then I would have like gone and written it backwards. My God, this is fucking smart. Dang it.
Zakir Dang it. Pretty much was. That was my reaction. Her and her, her and her, I can just say this, either she's going to listen to this episode or not, but either way, she improves my life in so many ways that, in more ways than I improve hers.
Everett That's what wives are for, right? Improving our lives. Yeah. And then we just drag them down. Let's hope Sam doesn't listen to this episode. She knows that. She knows I'm just dead weight. She's cool with it, though.
Zakir She's still around. Oh, yeah. No, so she was just like, hey, spell it backwards. out of here. And when I wrote it down, yeah, you're right. That is cool.
Everett That works. It means you have more rights to the name than the band. That's right. That's right. Well, Zakir, I really like to hear about it. I think that we are going to almost certainly have you back on the show at some point because there's too much good stuff happening here that we're not going to want to hear more. So looking forward to that. You can check him out on Kickstarter. And for now, for now, for just a second, we're going to transition a little bit. Because it's time, Andrew, it's time. It is. Other things, what do you got? I've got an interesting thing. It's a little bit of a weird thing. You do not have an interesting thing. So I like things. You do? I can, I can. And I like things. I can confirm that. I like things that make sense. Things that are cool. So I use a tool at work with quite a bit of regularity. It's by a brand called Zaktool, Z-A-K-T-O-O-L. It's a window punch. And it's not a brute force and repetition window punch. And we'll get here. So it's a pen-sized window punch with a little pen clip. It's got its window punch tip and its body is a spring. Are you going to at some point tell people what a window punch is? Yeah. If you're not familiar, well, okay. A window punch is a tool and it comes in a hundred different shapes and varieties, right? A lot of people see like the orange little hammer thing with a safety hook and what looks like an ice pick on the end to break out your windows. And the tool itself is designed to break tempered glass, to break car windows specifically. And it's because glass is extremely strong. It's hard. Unless it is hit with such a tiny, tiny point that it opens and releases the energy in the window. If you've not watched a video of somebody throwing ceramic shards from a spark plug at a window, go do it. It's fascinating because you don't have to throw it hard, but the sharpness of those broken ceramic shards enter into the tiny parts of the window and just release all the energy that the window is holding. So I break a lot of car windows. That works. That's just a thing that I do with some regularity. And this tool that I've been using, and it's my preferred tool. I have several of them because I'm a two is one, one is none kind of person. So the one that I use primarily is this Zach tool. And it's got its window break tip on the end. It's the size of a pen and it's got a spring body. And all you do is press it into your window. You stretch your spring body a little bit. The force of the spring compression, compression drives the window break into it. And it, the first time I used it, I was like, Whoa, I was like, I didn't expect it exactly to work. So it just, and it just, the window blew up and then I kind of froze there. And the person in the car kind of froze and we're just like, uh, wow. And then, you know, things happen. It's like a Pez dispenser, but for breaking windows. Yes, but so, so, so they're $14.50. They come... $14.50. Yes, $14.50. They come in all iterations. All you need to get a brand new stereo system tonight. Yeah, well, so they come in iterations for police officers with handcuff keys on the end. This iteration that I have is just a pen. And keeping a window break tool in your own car to exit your vehicle is exceptional. Like, it's extremely important. You should have things in your car to be safe. I know many people, especially in the South, have been caught in flash floods. Their cars float away. Like, I know people personally whose cars have floated away on the freeway. It's a good idea to be able to get out of your vehicle if you get caught in a flash flood or if your car windows won't roll down. You know, having a seatbelt cutter, having a window brake tool, you know, take your pick. In the way of window break tools, this is my number one go-to. They're inexpensive and they're so effective. I've used brute force and repetition on Windows. It works eventually, but this thing is like, you're just like, whoa, wow, that's cool. I feel like we've gotten into some sketchy territory. I appreciate that you have a professional need. You should have one in your car to be able to get out of your car. If you're in a crash and your window doesn't break and your windows won't roll down, you're in a crash and you're entrapped, you can get yourself out.
Zakir Despite what Mark Thiessen says, you know, all I got out of this is how I can get my next stereo.
Everett Yes, that's right. That's right. Despite what Mark Thiessen said on the other end, man, that would be dope. Global warming is happening. You may actually get caught in a flash flood because it's 2021 and everything's going to shit. So or you are a bad driver and you're known to crash into the river so andrew i've got another thing do me shut up i don't care i've got another thing so i i think everybody knows i dig the 90s i dig jdm i have been the owner i have been past tense the owner of a 1996 lexus ls 400 which is as i now know the second greatest car ever made oh so I love the LS 400. The LS 400 is Japan's homage to the luxury, the, the, as I, as I like to say, the Luxo barge, right? They basically took a Mercedes S class and made it better in literally every single way, made it more affordable and sold it to the masses. So Toyota, a company that's known for reliability and for maybe sort of conservative design, to put it nicely. Yeah, it's nice. Yeah, to put it nicely. Made in the 90s, really the 80s and then into the 90s. Just this wonderful vehicle. I've been an owner of one for many, many years. I fucking rear-ended someone. My fault. No good excuse. And I crashed my car. And I totaled it and I tried to get it repaired. Tried to kill your insurance adjuster with it. And it just didn't happen, right? It was just like not going to fucking happen. It wasn't going to happen. So I was in this situation where I needed to get a new car and what a normal person would do is go to a car dealership and buy a car, but I'm not really a normal person. And so instead, instead I sort of hit the drawing board as it were. And I settled on a car, similar in many ways, made by the same company, same model line, about seven years newer. So again, you guys, I'm an attorney. I could go to the dealership and buy a car today, but that's just not how I do things, right? It's just not how I do things. It is not. And I spend years looking for the ugliest JDM titanium G-Shock. And I know that some people could probably, uh, some people probably do criticize me for this, but I just don't like to do things that way. So I've, I landed on a car. I landed on a car. Um, it's a 2003 Lexus LS430. I'm going to tell you, I spent some time. I found the same color paint. roughly the same color paint. It's the GS. Roughly. No, it's an LS. Roughly the same color interior. So in so many ways, I've just bought my old car. But I'm telling you, going from 1996 to 2003, my eyes have been opened. I've got like thermometers that tell me what temperature it is. I've got mirrors that when I put it in reverse, so the watch clicker fam has, uh, our staff has made a lot of fun of me in the last couple of weeks as I've discovered the joys that this car has to offer because they are things that were popularized in the early two thousands. Uh, things like adaptive cruise control. Um, really sort of normal stuff. But basically, I've taken my car that I love so much that's old and antiquated and brought it into a slightly more modern package. And I may be a convert. I thought for a long time the 1996 LS 400 was the car for me. I am now convinced that the 2003 LS 430 is the car for me. You know, someday you're going to drive a new car. You're going to drive a car produced in the decade that we are currently living in.
Zakir You're like, oh, oh, I'm not just get a 2021 Toyota Corolla and just like, holy hell, this did it.
Everett I'm done. You know, that may happen. I doubt it. But it may happen. I'm still getting about 15.4 miles to the gallon. So there are some drawbacks in which I have to say the 2014 F-150 is It does beat it. It's kicking its ass. Yeah, no, that's fine, and I appreciate that, but my other thing for the week is the 2003 Lexus LS430, which you can't find. I found one at a police auction. You can get these things for, you know, I've got 97,000 miles on mine, 97,000 miles. You can get them for under 10 grand. You should have a drug dog sniff your car. Just like volunteer to just get it sniffed real quick so that you know, right? Yeah. Well, maybe not. We'll see. Not knowing is part of the joy. It's the danger, right? You're living on the edge. Zakir, other things.
Zakir What do you know? Right now, the most memorable or the most in recent times right now, the most memorable other thing. The electronic nose freedom. Tell me more. I have a newborn, and initially, you know, when you want to get the snot out, this thing called the Nosfrida, you spray some saline, you stick a tube in and you suck the snot out. Now there's an actual electric one where you don't have to suck on it anymore. You just put it in the kid's nostril and it just pulls it out. And even to keep them distracted, there's some lights on it that start blinking. I think it's the greatest thing ever.
Everett between early 2000s Japanese luxury cars and snot suckers. I think we've done it. We've done a thing here tonight. So you've got a, you've got a new baby.
Zakir Yeah. My baby, my baby girl just turned seven months.
Everett How do you feel, how do you feel right now? So you're in Kansas City, you're traveling. He's been traveling for a week, he feels great. You've been traveling for a week. How is life with a new baby? You know, we're both dads, right? We're both dads. And so we've had these experiences, but I always am curious about how people are just doing in life And your other thing, I think, is fantastic because it's indicative that you're doing being a dad. But how do you doing with that?
Zakir You know, I I never sat down or I never took a moment to actually think about that. I like you. Initially, you'll be nervous about, hey, am I going to do this right? But the next thing you know, when the time comes, you just do it. You just end up doing it. And I mean, of course, If I don't admit that my wife does way more than I do with the baby, I will hear it. So I'm admitting it right now.
Everett Yeah. Just admit it, man. That's the path to freedom.
Zakir My daughter, she owns me. Um, being away, it's weird because yeah, I can probably get a bit more sleep, but nope, I'm on, I'm potting with you guys and it's almost midnight. And also sometimes you start waking up in the middle of the night, like, okay, this is weird because I don't hear a baby crying. It's way too quiet. Yeah, they just get so used to hearing the baby crying.
Everett You'll get to sleep through that. Don't worry. That's coming.
Zakir Oh, no, I can now. I can now. And of course, of course, my wife graciously just elbows me. Get up! I'm like, what? She's like, if I have to get up, you're up.
Everett That's hardcore. You know, we talk a lot about, you know, parenthood and what it's like. I know I personally Um, really early in the process came to the decision that this is not hard. It's not easy either. It's not hard. This is just what I'm going to do. And I'm here for it. Um, you know, I think there's a lot of tropes about parenthood and it's worth it. It's, it's so worth it and yada, yada, yada. But at the end of the day, like, uh, we're biologically built. to do this thing and the amount of satisfaction you get out of this is incredible.
Zakir You know what helps me get through it? There's this meme page on Instagram. It's called Death by Diapers.
Everett I'm looking. It sounds like you brought in a second other thing, which will allow it, I guess. Instagram from Meta. That's so terrible.
Zakir Oh, but anyway, that meme page has has made things. It helps me get through it.
Everett Yeah. Yeah. Well, Zakir, we really appreciate you coming on the show. We appreciate the time to talk to you. Thank you for having me. You at home, you can check out Haymwatches at Haymwatchco.com www.haymwatchco.com. Also, check out the Instagram that is at Haymwatchco. All one word, no underscores, no nothing. You can find him there, pictures of all the watches, including all the new shit. Check out the Kickstarters, some good deals still to be had. They're on the Kickstarter. We do always recommend, we're not going to get any kickback, although we may beat Sekiro up a little bit after we start recording, see if we can't get something out of him, but we don't get any kickback for this. This is, you know, a passion project for us. passion project for the watch clicker and a passion project for Hame but in order for Hame to keep going he needs support from people like you so check him out and if you like what he's doing if you if you're smelling what he's stepping in then uh maybe give him a pre-order. Smelling what he's stepping in? You don't like that? You give me a funny look. I don't like that. Okay well picking up what he's putting down? That's better. I think I prefer smelling what he's stepping in. I don't like it
Zakir I was thinking about that right now. I'm like, wait, smelling wood, I'm stepping in.
Unknown Yeah, I don't like it.
Everett All right. Well, you tried. I tried.
Andrew Try again next time.
Zakir If you enjoy what you see, I'd be happy to have you on board.
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