Episode 158 - 2021 (Early) Year in Review

Published on Wed, 03 Nov 2021 22:24:10 -0700

Synopsis

The podcast discusses notable events and releases in the watch industry in 2021. They cover topics such as the increasing demand and prices for luxury watch brands like Rolex, Patek Philippe, and Audemars Piguet, the booming pre-owned watch market with major acquisitions like Hodinkee buying Crown & Caliber, Seiko's restructuring of their affordable lineup, the customer service issues faced by Ming, and interesting new releases from brands like Citizen, Tissot, Christopher Ward, and microbrands like Wellsboro and Brew. They also touch upon non-watch topics like the movie and TV show "Chef" and the comedy series "Dave."

Transcript

Speaker
Andrew Hello fellow watch lovers, nerds, enthusiasts, or however you identify. You're listening to 40 and 20, the Watch Clicker podcast with your host, Andrew. I'm a good friend, Everett. Here, we talk about watches, food, drinks, life, and other things we like.
Everett Everett, how are you? I'm all right, man.
Andrew I'm just, you know, here.
Unknown Yeah.
Andrew Suffering your way through the evening with me.
Everett I feel like 90% of the time my answer is something to the effect of so good. I don't feel that way today. I'm not so good. But I'm fine. I'm not bad. Is it just perfectly acceptable? Imperfectly acceptable.
Andrew I'll accept that. How are you? I'm good, man. I'm drinking beer.
Everett Yeah, that's I have a feeling everything's going to get better.
Andrew It certainly is. And in short order. And I have two fun things. I have more fun things downstairs that I may or may not get to on the show, but there will be, you know, appreciation expressed for. But I have two fun things, besides beer, in front of me tonight. First is the brand new Uncle Seiko Jubilee for the alpinist. And it is good.
Everett It's real good. Yeah. You know, I think Uncle Seiko is just always making a good product and that is no exception.
Andrew Yeah. It's not exceptional, but it's not bad. It's just, it's straight good. And for, I think they're $79 on the website, $74 under 80 solid end link. Yeah. Solid end link. Good links. Some some room for improvement on the clasp, but that's sort of something we come to expect. Some room for improvement on the end links. Again, something we've come to expect, right? For that price point, you're not going to get perfection. Yeah, this is good. And who knew the Alpinist would look so good on a Jubilee?
Everett I'm pleased. No, I think. Yeah, I think it's great. It's a lot better than a comparable product from Strapcode. I'd say that much.
Andrew Yeah. And it looks better than the OEM. because the OEM bracelet kind of bums me out.
Everett Yeah. I don't mind the OEM bracelet. I don't like that OEM clasp, but I don't mind the OEM bracelet.
Andrew I don't like it either. But what I want, the only upgrade between the SARB bracelet and the Alpinist bracelet, though it's a multi hundred dollar difference, is solid end links. And I was, I actually had the SARB bracelet on here for a long time because it's just, that was on top of the box when I put the bracelet back on. But yeah, and then, for a sampling. For a sampling. We have the Scurfa Diver 1 in orange here.
Everett Yeah, long time listener, homie of the show, Gelatomancer, on Instagram, if you know him, sent us for trisies an orange Dial Diver 1, and it's really good.
Andrew Well, he sent us something for trisies and some things for keepsies. So we will send back probably one can of chili, retain everything else.
Everett Yeah, that's right. You know, that's one of my favorite things that people do when they send us a watch is they send us like local flavors. So he sent us, being from Cincinnati, sent us some Skyline chili and some barbecue chips, which I'm blanking on the brand.
Andrew I didn't recognize it. I didn't. I looked at it and I was like, I think I'm maybe missing something. And then I saw Cincinnati's Finest on the side of the chili and I was like, oh, duh. Yeah, that's right. Why'd you send me cans of chili?
Everett So, you know, being in it and I'm real appreciative package came today and being sort of late in the day on a workday. We haven't, we haven't really had a chance to dive into that stuff, but I think, uh, maybe tomorrow we'll crack some chili and do, he said that there's a chili dip recipe on the can and that it's legit with Frito. So I think maybe we just do a, a Frito chili dough.
Andrew I'm done with that. I was just going to make chili dogs for lunch tomorrow. Oh, yeah. Um, we got three kids and we're going to do you all a courtesy of not eating chips on air.
Everett You're welcome. You know, uh, I think that if we were to just like lean into obnoxious podcast behaviors, we may actually have more listeners. What I noticed is that with watches, obnoxious behaviors, are rewarded.
Andrew No, I'll get the chips, right?
Everett Uh, but yeah, no, generally we try to be polite ish, right?
Andrew We're animals. We're feral, but we're not going to eat in your ear.
Everett Uh, yeah, no, I am definitely feral. Uh, I remember grippos. Oh yeah. Grippos. So Cincinnati barbecue chips. Um, yeah, thanks. Show out of answer. What do you think of the Diver Run?
Andrew It's everything I'd hoped it would be. It's an absolutely no frills, no bullshit, dope dive watch.
Everett You know, what immediately struck me about that watch is, so first, everything's fine. Everything's good. Above average, great, right? Yeah. Case finishing is, I'd say, spectacular.
Andrew Because there's only really a few finishing touches.
Everett Yeah, case finishing is perfectly executed. But the overbuilt nature of that watch is not properly demonstrated via photograph.
Andrew It's also not really apparent in hand.
Everett You look at the crystal, you look at the case back, the crystal on that thing I think is about 18 millimeters thick. Almost certainly, yeah. And you can tell how dense it is by way of the distortion. Um, it's just incredibly, it's compact. It's not a big watch. It's, I'd say it's not chunky. I mean, that compared to the Manta, it's, it's a lot chunkier.
Andrew Yeah. But this, I mean, even it compared to the Alpinist is, I don't know, it's only slightly thicker.
Everett And so it's not big, it's not overwhelming. It's not overbearing, inside of the inside of the four corners as it were you can tell that there's just a lot of some junk up in that trunk helium escape valve obviously is a little bit of a giveaway in that regard i mean that's just a that's a serious watch it's cool i love it i need to the strap's good i think skrf is well known for having just a fantastic rubber strap and that was my initial impression as well.
Andrew Yeah. It's good rubber. I need, I'm gonna put it on the bracelet soon. Not tonight, but soon.
Everett Yeah. Cool. Watch obviously sub case. Um, what, what, what to say about it besides that's killer.
Andrew And if you're interested at all by one, cause if, yeah, if you've seen pictures, you're, you're going to be, I think impressed with it in person, it lands better in person than it does in pictures. Yeah. And if you're at all interested in a no bullshit, no frills dive watch, because it's not, it's, it's a lovely watch. It's not elegant by any means.
Everett No, it's not supposed to be elegant.
Andrew No, but it's also not like it's not a G shock.
Everett Yeah. Well, I was, that, that's a good point. Right. Because it's not, um, it's not overly, um, practical either. Right. You've got plenty of polished surface on there. Um, it's not, you know, rawr, Uh, there's nothing about it that is, feels like I'm going to hurt you with my roughness.
Andrew Nope. It's like a polished steel round G shock. It's, it's fascinating. I've always been intrigued by these and I'm glad to get my hands on one, but damn that crystal sick.
Everett Well, and I think that's why he sent them to us because you've often talked about, it makes me more interested in the titanium one.
Andrew But I'd say I'm like 30 degree angle to the to the dial. And it's like a straight magnifying glass. The markers are three times again.
Everett And I'm off to the side and I can't see I can't see the fully distorted at all. Yeah. Yeah. Well, this is the time normally where I'd say we're talking about watches today because usually at this stage of the show, we have not talked about watches, but today we've talked about a lot of watches already. Mostly only. So should we now talk about like kids soccer and stuff? Yeah. Okay. We'll just flip flop. Yeah, we'll just circle back.
Andrew Our whole episode actually is just bullshit.
Everett We are talking about watches and we're doing a weird episode. We're going to do an early, a premature perhaps.
Andrew Is it that premature though? There's
Everett I think I think our timing is perfect. And here's how I'm going to pitch it. We're going to do early 2021 year in review. And our goal, our, our, uh, our attempted, uh, goal here is going to be to elicit your feedback. Now, whether that is to vibe or to pivot on things that we've said today or to alert us to things that we should have said today that we haven't. Um, I think it might make sense for us to revisit this, whether that's for a full episode or for a segment in a future episode to complete our year in review. Um, because we're just people and we read the things we read and not other things. And listen to the things we listen to and have conversations but we're going to sort of talk about some industry stuff yeah some watch some watch some non-specific watch stuff some themes as well as some watches that i think for our parts are maybe the most interesting maybe not our Favorites. Got our motors running if you will. But maybe the most interesting watches in our world because there's been lots of interesting watches this year that aren't in our world that we're not going to talk about. And a lot of shitters. Yeah, as per the usual. Yeah. As per the usual. Yeah. What do you think? What do you want to kick us off with here Andrew?
Andrew Can we start with some big acquisitions?
Everett Yes, and when you say big acquisitions, are you referring to your new showpard?
Andrew Yeah.
Everett That's a big acquisition.
Andrew It is. I have three mortgages.
Everett And but one home. You're talking about a different acquisition, I think.
Andrew Yeah. I'm talking about the Hodinkee Crown & Caliber pre-owned marketplace.
Everett became one. Yeah. This has been an interesting year for pre-owned for the pre-owned market, right?
Andrew Well, it's been a shit show for the pre-owned market.
Everett You know, actually that's maybe good context. I think the second bullet point on our list today has to do with the continued sort of dominance, the, the, the entrenching of the big four being Rolex, Patek, Audemars, and then Richard Mille, I think, is also in there, although I think that they're a bit of a sore thumb in that group. But the sort of entrenching of those four brands in light of the pandemic.
Andrew They really doubled down. They started punching down, I think.
Everett Yeah, it's hard for me to understand what exactly is happening there, because I don't think that the business practices have changed all that much. Certainly not for Patek, Audemars, and Richard Mille. I mean, these brands are making, I think between the three of them, fewer than 100,000 watches a year. Oh, easy. Richard Mille is making like 5,000, and then Patek maybe 50, and Audemars about the same, maybe just a little bit less. So it's not a lot of watches.
Andrew And Rolex, if you look at the shelves, They make like two.
Everett Well, that's interesting because Rolex, I think isn't real transparent about his numbers, but the estimates I've seen are that Rolex normally makes about a million watches. And then last year maybe made closer to 800,000. So, so fewer watches by Rolex being manufactured, maybe, maybe 20% fewer. So, you know, while these brands, while demand for these brands, is as high historically as it's ever been. And is only growing. And while there is a ton of money being pushed into that market, they're basically not changing anything. And in Rolex's case, maybe scaling back. Although, I'm not sure that we know that.
Andrew I can't say. I mean, I wouldn't say that the scaling back is 100% intentional. When we look at the supply chain issues that are sweeping the globe, that plays a role. It's not, it's not just their, their production. It's in their manufacturing supply chain. I think that's, that's a really key component.
Everett You're thinking like raw materials. Yeah.
Andrew I think that's going to be, that's gotta be a component. Maybe they are scaling back, but there's no, I mean that's really leaving money on the table.
Everett Yeah. Well, and there's certainly conspiracy theories abound, right? Um, but, but that's not really the point of what we're saying. We're rather just saying, you know, this, these last 18 months, really, we've seen kind of unprecedented demand in, in the luxury watch market, in particular for those four brands. I don't think longer is, is having the same sort of probably not, but maybe, maybe it affects them as well.
Andrew Probably not show party there. I mean,
Everett And to go back to your point, Andrew, what we've seen is an incredible amount of money being focused on the secondhand market, the third party, the gray market, perhaps in some instances. And I think we've seen something really happening, interesting happening with the secondhand places like Crown & Caliber, places like Chrono24.
Unknown Yeah.
Andrew I mean, you can even watches that you can buy new inbox from a boutique today are more expensive in the secondary market. That blows me away. That doesn't make sense.
Everett Yeah. You know, I can't remember what watch it was, but I was reading today about, I think it was a Nautilus that went on that retailed for 34,000, this is several months ago, retailed for like 34 grand and then sold almost immediately thereafter at like 450 grand, right? There's just so much demand that these businesses, these formerly kind of small businesses, right? Crown and Caliber purchased by Hodinkee famously in February of this year. And, and if, as if that weren't enough, Hodinkee has on a completely other brand started its own used watch market now where they have upwards of a 500 watches at any given time. So it's not enough to have a pre-owned.
Andrew An actual already built marketplace.
Everett Why not just build a whole new one? Watches of Switzerland bought Analog Shift. I think that that was last year. I don't know. This year's been long. Chrono24, I think, got like a billion dollars in VC, including LVMH money. Watchbox, I think, has been discussing an IPO. You know, we've got this incredibly valuable, booming market in pre-owned watches. And I think That that's a huge story. I think I'm glad we're talking about it first because then we can move on. But this is the story of watches this year.
Andrew At least in the luxury segment. It becomes less relevant as we go down downstream towards affordables and towards micros. But in the in the big world of watches, supply has remained the same and demand has grown exponentially for who knows what reason. Yeah. And now no one can get anything.
Everett Yeah, that's right. Yeah, you make a good distinction. As far as I know, Watch Recon is not getting any Swiss VC money. Probably not. I mean, you never know. But as far as I know, that's not happening right now.
Andrew There's a there's some Swiss conspiracy. That's that's what it is. But it's crazy. I mean, these are some big acquisitions. And these are, I mean, relatively big companies on their own. I mean, these are titans for all intents and purposes within this industry, merging, buying out. I mean, there's some consolidation here that's interesting.
Everett Yeah. And technology being what it is, technology is new until it's not. I think the idea of online watch sales until pretty recently was new. And now it just is not, right? And in fact, when I purchased my Speedmaster, there were lots of places that I could purchase a Speedmaster. I spent more money to go to Crown & Caliber because I wanted to have the backing of a big retailer behind the transaction. I felt safe. I felt secure. I felt confident that I was going to like what I got. Um, and, and I don't know if that's completely rational, but there is a market for that. You're going to pay a premium. There's a market for that.
Andrew Would you have felt safer if there was an Omega ad accessible to you going to an ad over crown and caliber?
Everett Yeah. You know, it's an interesting question. Um, Would I have felt safer? I'm not sure. I think I would have paid a little bit more than I wound up paying. You know, it was an odd time. I haven't looked at Speedmaster prices in a while. You could sell for quite a profit. Could I? I haven't looked at those prices in a while, but what I do know is that when I purchased, you could buy a brand new 1861 Speedmaster Professional for less money than I bought my pre-owned Crown and Caliber. And there was a gray market, you know, it's unclear to me why we prioritize the thing we do, we do in watches. And even for me, sometimes it's unclear to me why I prioritize those things. I made the decision to go with secondhand pre-owned from Crown and Caliber versus brand new from Jomashop or whatever for about the same price. Yeah, it's a very, very strange, probably slightly irrational marketplace.
Andrew And it's worth what you'll pay for. I mean, we saw a Wellsboro on Chrono24 for $2,400. Yeah, that's right.
Everett Pending. Yeah, they sold it for $4.95. I think that's right. Yep.
Andrew So a two, a $1,900, I'm not going to exaggerate, a $1,900 markup. And we were discussing it. We were trying to, we even discussed this with, with Rich and Katie. Yeah. How do you value this watch? Yeah. And I had a friend who reached out and saw him and saw they were all sold out and asked if I had a line on anybody trying to offload one. And I was like, and this is a week later. And I was like, dude, these are going to sell for cost. what the person paid for them, maybe less a little bit, or $1,500. The market is going to decide what these sell for. Super limited, really unique, more than the sum of its parts, and the sum of its parts are more than its original cost. It's just a bizarro thing, but we see it for sale on Chrono for $2,400. And it's going to sell for $2,400.
Everett We, I think we're going to talk about these guys a little bit later. And so I don't mean to, to get too into this, but we, I talked to rich that day. I sent him that link and said, have you seen this? And he's like, I've seen that. Um, you know, it's, I think for a guy like rich who knows so much about watches, you know, if you've ever met someone that knows, so much about watches that it makes you feel like you know nothing, uh, you'll know rich, right? Um, you know, for a guy like that, he's got to make decisions about pricing and, and those decisions are not obvious. You know, it's a little bit different for someone who's making a micro brand through an OEM. You've got cost of goods, you've got packaging, You've got shipping, super clear cut cost, and then you've got a margin, right? For a guy like Rich doing what he's doing, it's a much more difficult decision. And it is a decision that has to be made. Yeah.
Andrew I feel like there's some danger there in the gray market pricing, people coming to accept it, that it impacts primary market pricing models.
Everett Well, yeah, I think that that's That's a risk.
Andrew That's concerning to me for, for future acquisitions. It's like, well, people have said that they're going to pay this much for it and we charge this much for it. So let's, let's close that Delta a little bit.
Everett All right. What do we got next here?
Andrew Oh, can we talk about just the disaster of the year? Perhaps that was kind of just a flash in the pan despite how angry everyone got about it.
Everett I assume you're referring to the Ming customer service fiasco that took place earlier this year.
Andrew And the production, the whole thing. That release. Can we talk about it?
Everett I think we can talk about it, Andrew. You know, we have on this show oftentimes made decisions not to talk about a thing that was happening. There's a lot of uh, thought that goes into those decisions for us. Um, most of the thought process I think we've had before, right? We don't have to have it actively every time, but no, you can get your news elsewhere. We've made decisions to sort of not be controversial, not be click baity, not to talk about the thing that's happening that we almost certainly have heard about and are reading about and care about because we care about watches. We kind of stay away from that because it's, Provocative and, and maybe not all that valuable. And by the time you get to Thursday morning, if you need a break, we're there for that. Um, yeah, whether that's good or bad, you know, Scottish watches, I know is the opposite, right? Those guys are constantly talking about what's happening and watches. And I really appreciate it. They do two times a week. And if you want to know what's happening in watches, you listen to Scottish watches. You listen to us. If you want to know, what happened in watches a hundred years ago.
Andrew Or what you bought you should buy. Or much longer than that, yeah. Or about the Huguenots.
Everett That's right, that's right. Ming, I don't, we don't need to talk about the watches. You know, Ming has released a number of very interesting watches in these last couple of years. I think that they are one of the most unique watch companies out there. They're making... really novel designs, beautiful watches, well-manufactured watches. And more than that, I think they're making interesting watches. So. Concur. In that process, they have, they're a small company though, right?
Unknown Yeah.
Everett This is not Lanca, this is not Chopard, right? They do not have a legacy, they do not have cachet in that way.
Andrew Or an army of Swiss watchmakers at their disposal.
Everett Or unlimited bank accounts or a foundation or anything like that, right? So they're selling watches, they're modifying movements, they're doing interesting orological things, but they're doing it on a razor's edge. Yeah. They are pushing their personal limits in order to bring something truly interesting and they are not charging what Chopard would charge for those watches, in part because they're not making the movements. You know, there's all sorts of reasons for that, but they are floating above that razor's edge. And so a company like that, when they have problems, has a really narrow hole, what do you call that, the eye of the needle. It's a thread. Super small. And bless their hearts, I think Ming has taught us some incredible customer service lessons this year. Yeah. I think for me that's the story.
Andrew I think so. And I think One of the ones that I want to highlight, because I'm most interested by it, and frankly, I think I can see their argument. Somebody blew up the forums with an email he received back. It was basically, no, you can't buy this watch. Here's your money back. You've already returned one of our watches. And you're added to our blacklist.
Everett Yeah. Sorry. Yeah, maybe even slightly worse than that. So this person had a complaint about loom on hands. Basically had received one of their, I think 2019 releases.
Andrew Didn't like the loom application based on his pictures was totally a reasonable gripe.
Everett Yeah, and and Ming basically said, well, look, this is super luminova. It's a liquid application. You're going to have variance. This is within our tolerances. We will Take your watch back and return your money. And unbeknownst to you, as you stated, Andrew, we'll blacklist you. So when he bought, I think it was the Ming Masina.
Andrew It was this last release that had all the other issues, because if this was, if this was any of their other Ming releases that he had the issue with, no one would have seen it. This was him piling on the vitriol that was already being spewed at Ming. over this release.
Everett And, and, and, you know, at the end of the day, I think so. So two things happen. One, one Ming released, I think it's the 17.09. I want to say it was the Messina Labs CoLab that had some alignment issues. And it seems that those alignment issues had to do with a modification on a movement that made a standard 24-hour hand into a jumping hour, something like that. They basically made something jumping hour that wasn't supposed to be jumping hour and the torque caused alignment issues, blah, blah, blah.
Andrew Which is problematic. That's maybe the source of the issue. You can't super mod something.
Everett And then they were not immediately apologetic, right? They sort of rejected some of the statements and kind of pooh-poohed people on social media who were complaining. What watch people wanted is for them to be like, look, we're really sorry. This sucks. There's a big screw up here. We're going to take your watch back. We're going to fix it. And I think they did eventually get there.
Andrew But in the meantime, I think they maybe took the risk that people like snarky customer service responses. I think they rolled those dice. You think it was on purpose? I think there was some of that in the beginning and then they were like, oh fuck, this is actually a problem. Now we got to reel this back because we have grossly mishandled this.
Everett Right. So, and just to be clear, you guys, this isn't us shitting on Ming because I don't think either one of us has a strong opinion about Ming. I think that they make really beautiful watches. I probably wouldn't personally buy one if I was going to spend that kind of money on a watch, but Customer service, right? I think that's, for me, that's the takeaway. They have taught some lessons in terms of how not to do customer service in a social media driven world.
Andrew Yeah. Yeah. So, you know, back in the old days you could send an email and, you know, to get forwarded around, but not to the same pool of people that a couple of Instagram posts and hashtags will get you. Oh, poor Ming. But I wonder if that guy was ever, ever un-blacklisted and able to buy the watch.
Everett Yeah, I don't know. I don't, I didn't see any follow-up because that was one of those stories that was like, it's there and then it's not, but.
Andrew And it's not because either the company resolves it or the person didn't actually care. And I think that's what we miss when we see these big drama stories. And this kind of goes for all media outlets and all news outlets. We see the crescendo of conflict. And then we forget about it and the conflict is all we remember and not the resolution. Because I think Ming does come out in the end and make things right. But we don't remember that. We just remember them blacklisting a dude and being really shitty with people who are like, no, no, my thing is broken. Right? It's very broken.
Everett So two more sort of industry news things. One of these is a watch, although we're not going to put it on the watches that we're, we're digging this year. Rather, this is, I think, fits more appropriately than industry news. Omega. Omega.
Andrew Omega. Yeah, that's how I prefer you say it.
Everett Finally, finally put a coaxial movement in the Speedmaster. Andrew, do you have thoughts? Or do we leave it right there?
Andrew I do like the latest release bracelet. I think that was a good change. I do like the bracelet. The rest of it is pretty much lost on me because the Speedmaster is lost on me because it doesn't fit me right. If it fit me right, I'd be very interested.
Everett Yeah, you know, in many respects, this is just a Speedmaster, right? New bracelet, five links, still Hesselite, still Sapphire, still 50 meters of water resistance.
Andrew Why?
Everett Well, yeah, I think that that's a fair criticism. You know, all of a sudden now you've got a modern, arguably, one of the, if not the best, you know, standard caliber movements on the face of the earth. You've got this upgraded bracelet, upgraded class, but really more than anything. Um, but you're not going to give us the water resistance that you should have just given us 30 years ago, 50 years ago, you're not going to fix the one glaring blaring, glaring, glaring,
Andrew The biggest issue with this watch, it's not the Hesalite, because that's a decision. It's the 50 meters of water resistance. This could be, should be more. Already engineered within it has the capacity to have more water resistance. And I think frankly, it probably is rated to 100 meters, but they keep it at 50 because of the dot over 60 people, or the dot over 90 people, right? They hold it there. They hold that stupid water resistance rating rather than just, I think, it's probably rated much higher than is listed.
Everett You mean it could be rated higher than it is just based on the specs? Yeah. Yeah, and I don't know. I don't know the answer to that question, but I agree with you. So in any event, big Washington's 3861 caliber Speedmaster Professional.
Andrew Evidently, I do care.
Everett With a coaxial movement. uh, a little bit above the price point we typically talk about, but I think, you know, maybe the most popular watch on earth. Well, certainly, certainly the sub is the most popular. Um, I, I'm going to put it number two behind the sub, but in any event up there with the most popular watches on earth and it finally gets Omega's wonderful, wonderful, wonderful coaxial movement, good move Omega, which you could have done much sooner. And the last piece of industry sort of catch-ups that's relevant to us, I think, Seiko. Seiko doing Seiko things again. Yes. How exciting was this year for entry level Seiko?
Andrew So it was, it was a little bittersweet for me because we see a lot of the darlings of the entry level world kind of fade out in the last 18 months. SARBs, there's still some new in box available, but you can't get them from, you can't get them on Amazon. Yeah, 600, 700 bucks for a SARB. And that you're, you're seeing them on Watch Recon or, I mean, you find them on, but like on eBay selling at seven, eight. I mean, I think probably in the next two years we'll see them used, not just new in box, but used at the thousand dollar mark. Yeah, it seems reasonable. You know, the SKX has gone the same way. The SNK has gone the same way.
Everett These, like, really... Yeah, SNK is still under a hundred bucks, but yeah, that's still, that's higher than it was three years ago.
Andrew Right, and I wouldn't be surprised to see that on the next of their chopping block because of the 5 series coming in to fill, to backfill that with something else. So seeing these darlings go is a little bittersweet. These kind of prospect watches go, but the but everything that Seiko's backfilling with and their stratification has been really fascinating. I think they're being much more deliberate about their stratification of like, these are our $800 watches. They all cost $800. They all have really similar specs. These are our $500 watches. They're all really spec'd similarly, and that's how much they cost. And then these are our sub $300 watches. They've got good specs. There's no anomalies in their affordable watches anymore. There's no like, wait, what? Why is that so fucking dope and only this many money? They've segmented it out, I think, in a much cleaner way to create very noticeable, very entry-level watches that are attractive, that have great movements in them, that are spec'd well, that you can move up a tier and get good specs. still really attractive, and then you can get into their like $800 to $1,000 range, and that's kind of, I think, where you're seeing... Yeah, $800 to $2,000.
Everett I'd open that up a little bit.
Andrew Yeah, $800 to $2,000, yeah. But that's where you're seeing, like, ooh, wait, what do you have at this price point? They're bringing the heat at a higher price point, and I think they moved towards that. That's where they started focusing their efforts, rather than having these banging watches at sub-$500. They're having banging watches between $800 and $2,000, which is cool, but they're Their lineup now is robust. We saw them deleting SKUs and we're like, Oh, is Seiko going to go down to like only 200 SKUs this year? I mean, what are they doing? And they just kind of cleaned out the inventory and then they blew back up.
Everett Yeah. Yeah. That's, that seems like exactly what happened. Yeah. You know, I think I'm most interested. There's a couple of watches that came out this year that really interest me. One of those we've talked about on the show before, the Seiko SRPG, which is the 40 millimeter SNK, which is, that's what it is. It's a 40 millimeter Seiko five sports SNK, wonderful dials. In fact, I don't know the reference as I sit here today, but there's a blue dial. It's got a, a bronze applied marker on it.
Unknown Yeah.
Everett And that watch is absolutely fantastic. I want to say the case is stonewashed.
Andrew Interesting.
Everett It is. Tumbled. Tumbled.
Andrew Yes. It's excellent. It's excellent. The only, the only problem with those, that series is they aren't spec'd as well as the SNK.
Everett Or as the SKX. Certainly not. They're not. Yeah. So, so the Seiko 5 Sports, the SKX lookalikes, hundred meter, not a dive watch. Visually. It's the same watch. Identical. It's a clone. Yeah. But, but not spec'd as well. And then the SRPG, the SNK clones, I think they're spec'd better than the SNK.
Andrew Which is why I think the, the SNK will be, will be the next on the deletion list.
Everett Yeah. No, if it hasn't been deleted already. Yeah. So the other watch, I think that Seiko came out with this year that I really love and not even necessarily for myself. I just love the direction is the 38 millimeter Prospect solar diver. Yeah. So $500 watch, not a cheap watch, not a cheap watch, but a really interesting, I mean, just the decision-making 38 millimeters first for a dive watch. And it's not like a, Itty bitty watch, it's still like a... It's still got all the bulk. A big motherfucker. But solar. Solar Prospex. Highly, you know, high degree of finishing on the case. Decent-ish bracelet. Looks banging on rubber though, which I think is how most people are wearing them.
Andrew All rubber all the time. Yeah. I was really excited by the Alpinist reissue that came out this year.
Everett Yeah, I know you were.
Andrew I hate, hate the leather strap that's available on all of them. As much as I like the watch, I will find one second hand that comes with no strap. I'll pay more for it to not ever have to deal with the strap.
Everett What's your objection? Really?
Andrew Well, I mean, you just don't like it. I just don't like the style. And I know it's there. It's what they decided to go with. It's just not. I don't want to see it in real life. I don't want it in my house.
Everett And just to be clear, we're talking about the Laurel reissue, the OG reissue.
Andrew The single crown. Yeah. Yeah. It looks good though. I like that lineup. Because the previous one, the kind of sandy textured iteration, I wasn't a big fan of.
Everett So that's our year in industry news. So this is where we say, what did we miss? What are we wrong about? What would you add to what we said? Yeah. And we're going to leave it there. We're going to leave it there. We will.
Andrew Timex fell, came up short, I think on the expectations we had for them.
Everett I think they did. I also think they did really well.
Andrew They did, but they came up shorter than I expected because they did some cool shit this year.
Everett Timex. Yeah. I think Timex in many respects knocked it out of the park, but for a brand as big as they are, they are slow rolling. their move back to importance, I think.
Andrew Yeah, because they're postured so well. Yeah. And they're just, there's, there's a reason they're not striking, but yeah, they're postured really well to do so.
Everett So you holler back. We're going to talk about some watches. Clap back at us if you will.
Andrew Clap back. I think that's a thing.
Everett Yeah, I'm sure it is. I've heard it said. It's gonorrhea, right?
Unknown Yeah.
Everett Yeah. Can I start? No. I'm going to. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Andrew What do you want to talk about? Wellsboro.
Everett Yeah. Yeah. Can we talk about Wellsboro? I mean, we've already talked about Wellsboro.
Andrew Yeah. Which means that unfortunately we can't give them a whole lot more time now, but. A zombie brand. Using not zombie or using actual zombie parts. Right. We get all these zombie brands who are doing brand new manufacturing. You know, maybe they can get some new or new old stock. They have some kind of homage. to the original, you know, to its life form before it became a zombie, but not with Wellsboro. Wellsboro's using for the, like for the real core zombie stuff and then infusing it with some like just fun, cool, really modern. It's, it's perhaps the strangest watch brand on the planet right now. It is.
Everett And the most exciting. Yeah, I agree with you on both accounts. They're weird as shit in terms of a brand. Rich, also kind of weird, but love the guy. Katie, less weird. I liked her a lot. She seems like just like she's going to hold them together in the normal department.
Andrew Yeah.
Everett But also responsible for those fucking lunchboxes.
Andrew Yeah, which is weird. The whole thing is weird. It's not. This is not just a watch brand. This felt to me very, very Solabs, very the shark Shit, the digital, the divers, or not the divers, but the surf brand. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, the shark, the shark digitals, very like lifestyle brand with watches as a centerpiece.
Everett A horology lifestyle brand.
Andrew Yes. It's, but it was like nerdy and cool. And it, everyone who looked at those lunchboxes, it was like, I didn't have that lunchbox obviously as a kid, but I had that fucking lunchbox. Right. That's me. Like they just, they hit the nail on the head in the way of capturing the nostalgia of our childhood without being tacky about it.
Everett Yeah. That the, how did they do what they've done and do it so tastefully? I don't know. You know, you've never, you never, um, expect to see the unexpected by nature. Right.
Andrew Um, but it's not unexpected. That's the thing. It's so familiar.
Everett That's right. It's, it's utterly out of nowhere and unexpected and also so comfortable. Yeah. Really, really. Without a doubt. You know, I won't say the most interesting watches of the year. No, because their watches are cool. Incredibly cool. Obviously $500 retail price selling for 2000 and 2300. These are Rolex. markups yeah right um and incredibly scarce too there just weren't very many of them so so the but the watches in and of themselves are a small portion of the story rather the brand how interesting how different this is not tornic rayville yeah or whatever other name your zombie brand this is something wholly different really exciting i i am very very optimistic for those guys because they're so smart and they're so laser focused on what they're doing. But it'll be cool to see what they do next because, man.
Andrew Spoiler alert, we've seen some. Right. And it's really cool.
Everett Can I talk about one that I really like? Please. I think my most favorite sort of new brand that we talked about this year, in fact, person that we talked to about their brand, uh is Arken watch Kenneth Lamb of Arken yep uh I don't get the feeling that this watch has been as popular as I as popular as I expected it to be as popular as it was this was a darling everyone was talking about it prior to pre-order yeah but I still love it I do too, you know, I know that he said I'm going to make 300 and I'm just going to make 300 and it doesn't matter how fast I sell them at 300 is the number. I believe he's not quite there yet. Yeah, I checked today. With that said, you know, say what you will about the watch itself. You know, we talk to people all day long about watches, right? In particular, the watch of the week or whatever, when we have an owner on, we talk to a lot of people about that watch. And I think for every like, hell yeah, comment we got, we got a comment that was like, gosh, I just don't know if that's for me, that there's a lot happening there. And so I think that the design of that watch may be a little divisive. Um, but not withstanding that, what you get titanium, all things custom, custom hands, custom dial. And I don't just mean custom, I mean actually engineered and balanced by Kenneth Lamb. Um, I just think that's an incredible watch, and I haven't purchased one, and maybe I should. I know that they're more expensive now than they were in those first couple of weeks, but I just think that's a fantastic offering.
Andrew It really is. I mean, the design's something, and I haven't purchased one because it's not for me.
Everett Yeah, that's right.
Andrew You're that guy. I'm that guy. I dig this watch. I like it. If you gave me one, I would wear it, but it's just not for me. It's a super utilitarian titanium dive tool watch. And that's just not, not the flavor I'm digging right now. But if it was, I'd get on and get it at 430 pounds right now. Cause there's only going to be 300 of them. That's it. Yeah. It's a, it's a cool fucking watch. And I, and Kenneth Lamb was super cool. He's got great ideas, I think, coming down the pipe, and I think this is gonna be a brand that we'll continue to see for a while.
Unknown Yeah.
Everett Well, I hope so, right? I certainly hope so, too. You know, I did get the feel from him that he's, if you're listening, Kenneth, don't be offended, but I did get the luster of, bright-eyed, bushy-tailed naivete from him, right? I don't know that he was fully prepared for the realities of doing this thing from scratch on his own.
Andrew Maybe. I think that's a strength as much as it is a weakness. I think you're right, yeah. It depends on how he bounces.
Everett And because of that bright-eyed bushy-tailed naivete, he's made this really incredible watch, I think. So we wish nothing but the best for him, obviously.
Andrew What do you got? I'm ready to talk about another one that got me really excited. Tented your pants. Yeah, several times. Citizen did a digital Star Wars collection. Oh, yeah. Very much like the uh, world timer, very similar layout, but all Star Wars themed, right? With a rebel pilot, the trench run, Darth Vader, which is all blacked out. R2D2 is exactly what you'd expect it to be. It's silver, white and blue. There's a C3PO, which is the gold version. Boba Fett, I don't really get cause it's not enough green. They should have done a green bracelet in case, but you know, whatever, we'll, we'll deal with that. But just a super fun, If you didn't know it was Star Wars, you would think it was just any other square digital watch. Yeah. Like kind of the, kind of the fuck you, you don't know what I'm wearing. Like, like wearing, wearing socks. Like I, I used to have sales meetings on Monday and I wore socks on Mondays. Like they were my Monday socks and they said this meeting is bullshit on them. And those were my meeting socks. And I would sit and I would cross my leg and I would just make sure that my pants came up enough to make this meeting as bullshit visible under my pant cuff. But that's very much how this watch feels. It's not a professional watch by any means, but it's just a really classic 80s feeling square digital with Star Wars that only you can see.
Everett If you had to pick one of these, do you have a favorite?
Andrew Oh, if I have to pick this one, I think I'd go the C-3PO because I think a totally gold square digital is in my future.
Everett Yeah, I think I'm a Darth Vader man, but I agree with you, C-3PO is a close second for me.
Andrew The Tren Tren's kind of a bummer. It is. And so is Boba Fett. But the other four, and they've got some others. They've got an analog edition and they've got a Millennium Falcon that looks oddly in its and it's chronograph design very much like the Millennium Falcon without being a shape of the Millennium Falcon. It's kind of impressive.
Everett Yeah. I don't dig the three handers of these.
Andrew They're a bit of a miss. I feel like if you're going to go a cartoon, I mean you, you look at Timex. Yeah. Who did the Pac-Man?
Everett Timex did the Pac-Man? Timex or Casio. Yeah.
Andrew One or the other. But I think, I think there was a cool, uh, moment for eighties throwback, uh, media. to be integrated into watches this year. And I think that was just a fun, a fun time. And we needed that this year. Yeah.
Everett I've changed my mind, Andrew. Yeah. It's C3Go.
Andrew Yeah. It's dope. It's ridiculous. What about, it's also 300 bucks, which I don't get. And I, and it's why I don't have one.
Everett So as 80s as these watches are the most 70s watch release of the year, I think, uh, the Tissot PRX.
Unknown Yeah.
Everett I thought that came out last year. So these both came out in 2021. So they debuted, I think, in January, the quartz version. And then later, June or so, they backed it up with a Powermatic 80 automatic version.
Andrew I remember that release because you were talking about 80-hour powers.
Everett So these are a remake of a 1970s Rolex Oysterquartz homage and so Tissot, not Citizen, Tissot, tits out, did an homage to the Oysterquartz in the 70s. And now they've re-released it and enough time has passed that it's no longer an Oysterquartz homage because... It stands alone. It stands alone. Uh, they've done this bolt in quartz, which is obviously the OG and with this wonderful 2824 based Powermatic movement. Um, I think that this watch is maybe here to stay.
Andrew I hope it is. I hope it is. It's a $650 super well done or three 50 I think for quartz. Yeah. Yeah. Which is, which speaks to the whatever. Uh, Three colorways. I hope this is here to stay, because this is something I could pretty easily buy and would really happily wear. Pure 70s, but still really modernized, kind of timeless design cues on it.
Everett It's amazing to me that this watch, which is so instantly 70s, is also so instantly timeless. And say what you will, I think this is essentially a Genta design. Uh, at the end of the day, you know, so, so it makes sense, but I think, you know, for me, this is like one of three TSOs that doesn't suck.
Andrew You like all the power matic 80s.
Everett No, I don't like, I like that movement for, for, and we've discussed whether or not that makes sense for us. And I think we've both decided it doesn't, it, there's no utility for, for guys like us with that said, I think it's a crazy cool movement. Um, But I don't like any Tissot's. This is it.
Andrew There's a bunch that suck. But this is kind of the peak of Tissot right now. What do you got? I put my money where my mouth is on this one. Let's hear it. The Christopher Ward C63. Ah, yes. So I got, as you all have seen, just the base Sealander automatic. And you've all heard it. But when we saw the first press releases that were under embargo, it was like, well, when this thing comes out, I'm buying one because holy shit. I love it. And I think what they did with the C63 was truly what do you want? Looking at pictures of it. And we just had tits out on the screen. Come on. They did something cool with doing a family with three really different watches.
Everett Yeah, really different watches.
Andrew But they all have... I mean, they're siblings. They just released green. They also did their ocean plastic. These are just cool.
Everett That green dial is nice.
Andrew It is. It's one of the, I think, one of the few greens that I really like. There's not very many good green dials out there. There's a lot of bad ones, though. A lot of bad ones. And so the Sealander Automatic on a bracelet, $815. And for what you're getting out of it, you're getting almost Manta-level finishing. Not quite, just a hair off, but almost Manta-level finishing.
Everett Great movement, great, holy... Or Norkane, or name your excessively priced microbrand. Take your $2,000 pick.
Andrew Right, yeah. Awesome case. super legible, super comfortable, slight miss on the bracelet because there's not enough taper.
Everett The best case, the best case in the under $2,000 market, right? I mean, without a doubt. Yeah, I think it beats, I mean, as much as we get accused of being Monta fanboys because we are, um, I don't think that that case comes close to competing with the light light catcher case.
Andrew I think it's, I think it's different. Of course. Very, very much by design different. The light, the C63 is noticeably bigger. I don't think you could achieve that case in the same compact package that Manta is. It's just a very different beast. The case is phenomenal. The finishing is phenomenal. The price is money. And it's such a, it's just, it's great. I love it.
Everett We'd be remiss if we didn't mention one final watch.
Andrew Yeah, because this one really got our motors going.
Everett The Brumetric. Yeah. What in the world? What a weird, odd, like nothing I've ever seen, just totally delightful watch. I get an opportunity to play with these in New York. You did not. I'm sorry. No, thank you. Appreciate the reminder. Size is perfect. Dial elements are perfect. It's just delightful. Everything about this watch. So if you don't know what I'm talking about, go Google. Google. Pull over first. Go to Brew's website. You could go to brew.com. Or is it brewwatches.com? It's brewwatches.com. Brewwatches.com. Yeah. Brew.com. That would be a good catch. Brewwatches. Look at the metric. It is, yeah. It's weird.
Andrew It's also so 70s. And right after the last release, the Retro Magic, I, in private, voiced that I was concerned for his future. And I was like, he's achieved these really unique designs and been met with really great responses. I'm scared he can't hold this momentum. You mean in terms of new things? Yeah, so I said that after the Retromagic. And then this came out, the Metric. I don't have that fear anymore.
Everett Yeah, you know, he still can't make enough watches. You know, we've talked a lot about certain microbrands. I know Laurier a year ago even was having a hard time keeping watches in stock. I think they've caught up. Baltic has largely caught up.
Andrew Traska is so straight sold out.
Everett I mean, Traska is still struggling to meet stock because they're making incredible watches. John also, you know, I think that this released during windup on Friday of windup, I think this released and it was sold out in a matter of minutes, you know, for a brand that's been around for a long time, who's making not entry level stocking decisions. Uh, he can't keep watches in stock. So, uh, you know, it's a good problem to have though.
Andrew If you have to have a problem, it's certainly better than sitting on, you know, a million dollars of inventory.
Everett You know, I'm not sure John would feel that way. You know, having talked to this guy a lot, I think that he really struggles with his inability to make his customers happy, all of his customers happy. And I think a lot of people wanted this watch that weren't able to get one. I'm sure there will be more and I'm sure everybody will get their opportunity.
Andrew Are they really your customer if they haven't bought your watch?
Everett Right. Prospective customers.
Andrew Yeah. He wants to make the people happy and I think that's perfectly reasonable. Yeah. But I I think in the way of problems to have it's you know it sucks. Yeah. But it's certainly better than than the alternative of making a shitty watch that people don't buy.
Everett Yeah. No I think that's right. I think that's right buddy.
Andrew Hey looking at Falcon twos right now.
Everett The green one?
Andrew You know, the green in guilt doesn't do it for me. The white really gets me going though.
Everett Yeah, that blacked out Falcon 2 I think is my is my jammy jam. It's available. Andrew, Andrew. Other things, other things. Can we talk about other things? Because I think we've done reviewed the year of 2021. I have another thing. What do you got, man?
Andrew If you haven't, check out the movie Chef. It's a Jon Favreau movie. So good. Super good. There's a spinoff. Of Chef? It's called The Chef Show. The premise of the show is that while they were filming Chef, Roy Choi was basically Jon Favreau's cooking coach. And they did all this traveling, like, uh, food traveling, like gastro tourism for prep for the movie. And afterwards they were like, this is fun. And there's something here. There's now four volumes, two seasons. So. Parts one and two available on Netflix, primarily featuring Jon Favreau and Roy Choi as they travel the United States and go to these really unique, really cool, really great restaurants, eateries, bakeries, take your pick, and they cook with the owners, executive chefs, you know, exactly who you think they're going to cook with. And it is fun. It's, it's very, I mean, it's a cooking show, but it's kind of Anthony Bourdain-ish. It's very much the human story behind it, with Jon Favreau as a completely amateur, but also pretty good chef, working alongside with these people, talking to them, learning their skill sets, learning about why they're doing what they're doing, how they're doing it, the story behind these restaurants, these eateries that he's working with these people at. super fun. It's kind of watch related because I watched most of the episodes today. And he does one with Wolfgang Puck at his, uh, cut restaurant in Vegas. I want to say it's at the Mirage. I don't, I'm probably wrong. I don't remember where it is. It doesn't matter. Cut. And the whole time I keep seeing this ill-fitting monster watch on Wolf's wrist. And then finally there's a shot close enough and I was like, oh, that's a Panerai. And I like kind of in the back of my mind knew that Wolf is like a Panerai guy. You're just judging the shit out of him. But it's not, it's not just ill fitting. Some people wear their watch on top. Totally normal way to wear your watch. Some people wear it on the inside of your wrist. Very tactical way to wear your watch. His is so ill fitting on a strap, mind you. that it's on the outside of his wrist facing totally out. Like, and there's such that there's no way to comfortably look at your watch, but that's what he's wearing. And he's wearing this, like one of the Panerai submersibles or something like that. He's also an asshole. Walking puck is an asshole, yeah. But hearing him say fuck was like kind of a weird thing for me. I was like, huh, that makes sense. It makes perfect sense. But, huh, I didn't see that coming from this, like, sweet, iconic chef old man. Because he's not Gordon Ramsay. You expect that from Gordon Ramsay. You don't expect that from Wolf. But you get it. And the food's phenomenal. Everything they're making is just, is really, really deliberate and thoughtful and it's just beautiful. I mean, it's watching, watching art. There's a banana cream pie homage I rewound and watched occur several times, paused it and made my wife watch it. It's fantastic. I will tell you about it once we're done recording. But the Chef Show, Jon Favreau, Roy Choi, traveling the United States, cooking with some of the greatest chefs in America.
Everett Can I do a couple of add-ons to your other thing? These are other thing bonuses. Yeah. So first, I know your other thing is the Chef Show. Also, I'm just going to say, if you haven't watched the movie Chef, you should because it's a delightful movie. It is. It's a delightful movie. Also, if you're going to watch the movie Chef, before you press play, go to your closest market, and I don't mean Safeway or Vons or whatever. I mean, go to a nice market, get some good ham, get some good Swiss cheese, and get a baguette because you are Oh, you need pickles too, but I disagree.
Andrew I think it's sourdough, but get a baguette, a baguette.
Everett That's a Cuban comes on a baguette. Anyway, you're going to want to make a Cuban sandwich.
Andrew In fact, you, you're, you're going to need to make a Cubano afterward. I get it. It's not just going to be like, I want to, it's like, you're going to need it. You're going to door dash it from however far they will deliver from. If necessary, you'll pay $35 in fees.
Everett Second add on. This is not my other thing, but you mentioned the banana cream pie scene. and that you were around it and you should say, if you're, this is, this is a ancillary add on. If you're ever in Portland, if you're ever in Portland and you do one thing in Portland, don't go to Multnomah Falls. I mean, it's a waterfall.
Andrew Everywhere has waterfalls. Well, Nebraska doesn't have waterfalls.
Everett Don't go to Voodoo Donuts. Pass. It's a donut. It's a, it's a donut. Don't, Do the things on the tourist list. Go to the vegan strip club. Maybe do that, but also go to a place called Papa Heiden's. Yup. And get the banana cream pie. Yup. Because it is, so Papa Heiden's, H-A-Y-D-N-S, I think. It's a German restaurant. It's a dessert, it's a dessert restaurant. And the banana cream pie will change your life. I have had a lot of banana cream pies. Papa Hayden's banana cream pie is life-altering good.
Andrew It's good. It's also a place called Bannings. 24-hour diner, a lot of pies.
Everett There you go. I've got another thing. Do me. And it's not Papa Hayden's banana cream pie. Is it pies? It's also not that, although I am a pie man. You are a pie man. I'm a pie man. Pie guy. Pie guy. Dave, have we talked about Dave?
Andrew We have not, which is weird because we've watched it.
Everett You've watched Dave. I've watched Dave. I've recently watched Dave again with my wife because... Oh, interesting. Yes. Yes. Interesting. So there's a rapper called Lil Dicky. Lil Dicky. Lil Dicky. There's no Ts. Lil Dicky, aka Dave, who became famous about four or five years ago with a song called Ex-Boyfriend, which is phenomenal. Not commercially marketable because it's got stolen beats, but it doesn't matter. Everyone does it on YouTube.
Andrew It's not a big deal.
Everett It's really a callback. Really good, really good, but also just this really, you know, funny, good rapper. Anyway, he's really self-aware. Anyway, he hooked up with a great producer and they made a show. And it's called Dave, which is his name. And he says, hi, I'm Dave. Uh, and it's so good. It's irreverent, I think is an understatement. That's the right word. Uh, it's the right word, but an understatement.
Unknown Yeah.
Andrew There is the reverend, the way South Park is reverend.
Everett There is poop and genital humor in this movie that will make you squirm because it makes me squirm. And I'm the least squirmy guy on the face of the earth.
Andrew makes me giggle like a child. It's a mess.
Everett Uh, and, but that is not the show.
Andrew No, which is, that's, that's the most interesting part.
Everett You will not be sure about the show. You will be two seasons in 1.9 seasons into this thing and still not be completely sure. Um, 1.9 seasons. Yeah. Um, it, it's a fantastic watching it the second time with Kim. It's like, man, oh man.
Andrew Yeah, it's, it's a really special show. It's because it's, it's got all that really dirty, raunchy humor that you'd expect it up like South Park. Yeah. Out of like always sunny, but it's got this really charming, innocent humor that like comes from monk where it's, It's like- Or Ted Lasso. Yeah, or Ted Lasso. It's this interesting marriage of really wholesome, charming, slightly schadenfreude raunch.
Everett With an introspective spin.
Andrew Yeah.
Everett And an empathetic goal that it never quite achieves.
Andrew Yeah, because Dave, if you knew Dave, Dickie in real life, you would hate that guy. You would see him and you wouldn't just cross the street to avoid him. You'd return to your car and go home. You don't want to spend a moment with this guy.
Everett The character in the show, which we are led to believe is very much based on his self-perception of his own growth.
Andrew But in the show, you love him. You feel for him. It's this really It's a fascinating, like, look at yourself and how you relate to people.
Everett So we were both sharing this. I'm sharing this as my other thing. Andrew is endorsing, I believe, my other thing. We can also, on behalf of our editor-in-chief. Daddy. Endorsing it. So all three of us now, and I believe senior writer Mike Razak as well.
Andrew Are you sure that wasn't one of the ones that he just declined and refused? It's possible. Mike has a few shows that he hasn't watched, and because we endorse it, will not.
Everett I can't say that I blame him. In any event, at least three of us have watched this and all have all been stunned. I think that that's the right word, stunned by the quality of the character development and the production, the human insight, production value. The Rick Rubin's episode is just like really, really good, you guys. Also Rick Rubin, probably not in the Rick Rubin episode. Andrew? I think we did it.
Andrew We did it. We fully and comprehensively reviewed all the releases and all of the watch things that happened this year.
Everett Never have, so we do this often. I don't know that we've ever done it quite so glaringly incompletely.
Andrew No, because it was just so comprehensive. It was perfect. I don't think we missed anything.
Everett So look, you guys, genuinely, honestly, seriously, maybe put like a big heading at the top of your message that says, my comments regarding your year in review, because I do think we should revisit this. I think in late November, early December, we should revisit this. Um, and talk about what else happened, but this is sort of our, our setup for a proper full, complete year in review. This is what was important to us.
Andrew What's important to you. Yeah. Kind of a Q and a session.
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Unknown Buh-bye!