Episode 141 - What About... Shoes

Published on Thu, 08 Jul 2021 00:24:36 -0700

Synopsis

This podcast episode is a discussion between the hosts Andrew and Everett about watch straps and bracelets. They talk about different types of watch straps like rubber, silicone, NATO, leather, and bracelet options. They discuss the variety available, quality considerations, pricing, and the ethics around replica/counterfeit straps. They also share some personal anecdotes and experiences related to watch straps.

Transcript

Speaker
Andrew Hello, fellow watch lovers, nerds, enthusiasts, or however you identify. This is 1420 The Watch Clicker podcast with your hosts, Andrew and my good friend Everett. Here we talk about watches, food, drinks, life and other things we like.
Everett Everett, how are you? I'm doing well. It's I went back to work today and what a tragedy it was. It felt tragic. Every step of it felt tragic. It felt bad going to bed last night.
Andrew Sunday nights are the worst.
Everett It felt bad waking up for work this morning. It felt bad getting in the car to go to work today. And then I got to work and I was like, you know, I like my job. I like where I work. I like the people I work with. I mean, I literally work for you, I think is the, that's right. I literally choose the people I work with. Um, yeah, it just was one of those days. I was like, I feel like retiring. Yeah. Not because I'm like, Oh, I'm so tired. It's because I just don't, I'm, I don't like to work. It's way more fun to not work. It's yeah. Yeah. So yesterday I had like a slow breakfast, like just chill, like on the couch, coffee, Netflix, and then went golfing. And then she got golfing with, had beers, my brother-in-law. Oh, nice. and then had beers like while I was golfing and then a beer afterwards and then came home and we did like some easy fun chores and then went out to dinner and then went out to ice cream and then had another drink and then I played cribbage. I won cribbage. I mean, it was like cribbage in a long time and we should play cribbage concur. Probably not right now. We have, we could do that on, on the show though. I think people would love it. It would be super fun. Not 15 to 15, four pairs, six run is nine.
Andrew Yeah, it would be not fun.
Everett I mean, it would be fun for us on for us. Yeah. But yeah, I'm, I'm, I'm well notwithstanding the tragedy that was the end of my four day weekend, three day weekend, excuse me.
Andrew Uh, Andrew, how are you? I'm also in the throes of a four day weekend, but I don't, I mean, I have to go back to work tomorrow. So I'm kind of in my Sunday night routine. Yeah, that's okay. hanging in there. I was solo with the kids all day. Unfortunately, they were like pretty okay. So it just meant like constant motion because there's far enough. So my oldest is six and the next one's about a year and a half. And I'd forgotten the, the bundle of energy that that year and a half mark is, uh, in that an unbridled, totally unbridled energy.
Everett Just
Andrew Relentless, and then power off. And then power back on, relentless, power off.
Everett And unreasonable. There's no ration to a one and a half year old. They're not able to make conscious, rational decisions.
Andrew See, I feel like that's not true. And the reason I feel like that's... I take your point. Nothing they do actually makes sense. But there's so much purpose behind the things that they do. Oh, sure. Today, he wanted buttons. And there's quite a few accessible buttons, primarily in our kitchen. So the dishwasher is getting turned on.
Everett You know, I had in my head like buttons on a shirt, and I was like, Oh, interesting, interesting.
Andrew That's where I keep my shirts. Isn't that where they steam them? So the dishwasher is firing up. I'm like, What are you doing? And then I hear the ice machine. What are you doing? So I figured out I can lock my ice machine, but he can still He uses tools to actuate things he can't reach. So he'll bring a small toy. Like primitive man. Yes. He'll bring a small toy to actuate the levers on the water and ice dispenser, which when locked don't do anything, but you still hear him click. And I locate him via sonar. If I can't like be within, you know, eyes distance of it. Cause I have to do something else. Cause my whole life can't be just following him saying, no, stop that. So the moment I stopped hearing him, I'm like, Oh, and then I hear All right. He's not in a danger zone, but he climbs on thing.
Everett He's an animal. When I watch your kids, I very much feel like my whole life is following Cal around saying, okay, let's go over here.
Andrew Choose something else. Choose something else. Yeah. Uh, and we, he just had his most recent well baby and he is in the 80 percentile for weight, 90 percentile for head size, 10 percentile for height. So if that, that, that all tracks, he is a cube basically. Yes. Yes. And fearless and strong.
Everett He, he is built like, uh, what was that movie, uh, that came out a few years ago where the, the feelings, you know, there's like the control center in the people's heads and he looks like the anger.
Unknown Yeah.
Everett That's what Calvin looks like.
Andrew What is it called? We just watched, we watch it frequently here. Inside out, inside out. Yeah, that's right. Uh, yeah. He looks like anger. Because he's also red all the time because he has my gingery skin. He's totally red. So he just turns a beet red the moment it's above 60 degrees. So he's a handful. Yeah. Yeah. So that's been my day. It's just like I texted you an hour ago that I was finally like stable because bed had been completed. I was like, oh my gosh, I'm not dead. I made it. Yeah. so you did it you made it i did here you are and i don't i don't i'm not asking for a high five for parenting alone because i know people parent alone all the time it's just more exhausting to parent alone than with the partner present totally yeah because it's all on you yeah fortunately mark is pretty self-sufficient and when i need him shut the fuck up i just hit him an xbox controller and he just he won't he doesn't stop talking he just narrates the video game while he plays but he's at least stationary
Everett You know, I have kids of my own. Uh, and so I've gone through all these things. My kids are a little bit older, so it's different. But, uh, my second watching your kids reference in the last five minutes watching Mark, I, I recognize the phenomenon you're talking about where if you occupy him, he doesn't stop talking, but his, his need for you to respond to him is greatly diminished. Yeah. About, about 50% that maybe even a little less than that. Yeah. Like so, so I find myself, uh, like he'll be like Everett. I'm like, what, what, what, what did you see?
Andrew Did you see that? I just did that. I did that. I did that. Did you see it? Like, I don't. And I tell him all the time, like if I wanted to watch, I would watch.
Everett Yeah. I don't care. I'm not quite that direct with Mark.
Andrew Yeah, that's fair. I, I am. Yeah. So it was just, it was a tiring day, but now we're doing this, we're drinking beer. Yeah. I did find some time to sneak in and get one section of my workbench table glued up. Wonderful. So I've got about half of my bench table glued. It's got to take some trips through the planer, but it's glued up.
Everett I saw you milling yesterday. Yeah. Oh my gosh, it was hot. It was warm. So hot. I saw you sweating at the machines while I was headed out for a run and I think you looked at me like... Who's dumber right now?
Andrew It was hot enough. I can only attribute this to heat because I've used all the machines that I was using yesterday at great length. My circuit breaker blew a couple of times. Oh really? Yeah. You think it just heat? I, I can't attribute it to anything else. I've put heavier loads on those tools in those same outlets. I don't know why that, I mean maybe the wood was wetter cause our lumber quality is poor. Oh yeah. That could be it.
Everett But yeah. And the price of lumber has gone back down right? A little bit. Uh,
Andrew I read somewhere that it's gone down like about 40%. I'm not seeing that 40% hit. OSB is quite a bit cheaper. I think maybe that's what's eating up most of that 40% dip. Dimensional lumber is still kind of on the spendy side, like about $3 more per.
Everett What about like construction grade plywood? These are important things for us to talk about on our watch podcast.
Andrew I think it's gone. Not as much as OSB, I don't think. I didn't look for construction grade plywood. I looked at OSB and dimensional. I looked at some hardwood, but it's just I'm not going to trade you a limb. I have some friends with timber stands. I think I need to figure out a way to get them to grow me some hardwood.
Everett It's a long game, but you will have this in 2090. Yeah, no, it's a long game, but I think I planted you some oak or maple or, you know, whatever. You'll have 400 line feet of oak dimensional lumber in 2065. I'll do something beautiful with it. Yeah, in 2065.
Andrew I'll have time. I'll be retired and have plenty of time to do that.
Everett Mark and Cal can come over and help you. Yeah. Cal can do all the heavy work because we know he's going to be strong. He's built like a pit bull. Mark can give instructions. Yeah. Yeah. So what we're talking about, watch it. I, before we, before we go into the topic, I had a fun, fun little anecdote. Uh, somebody commented on, I think you think you know what I'm going to say and I don't think you do.
Unknown Oh,
Everett I don't. So then we can get to the other one afterwards, even though I don't know what it is. Uh, so we had someone comment on one of our posts the other day. Uh, in fact, they DMed me and they said, um, they said, speaking of other things, and then they put print dot, dot, dot go colon. Uh, that's the whole anecdote. But when I say to you, Andrew, other things, what do you have go? Uh, they were referencing that. And I just saw it and I was like, that is someone who has listened to us enough that they've incorporated our show into their speech patterns when they're talking about this thing. And obviously they're probably not saying that to their friends or whatever, but in talking to us, it was like one of those things that I know I say, but I don't really think about it. And I was like, that is really fun that we've got catchphrases. I don't know. Is that fun or is that stupid?
Andrew I think it's fun. I think it was interesting. I was talking about, uh, to a friend about meeting with Luke and I'm not usually one for meeting people.
Everett Uh, believe it or not. Luke Albert, famous mountain bike professional and writer and wonderful square G shot collector.
Andrew Yeah. And I'm not, I'm a, I'm a pretty introverted person, believe it or not. Uh, so meeting people is not really my jam. And I've found now having met several people that have been, long-time listeners and engagers with our show, they bring such a level of comfort to the interaction because they don't know us know us, but they know us. They've spent hours and hours and hours with us and are comfortable. And that initial first meeting awkwardness that I just loathe just isn't there. And I find that their level of comfort with us totally brings my guard down and makes me comfortable with them.
Unknown Yeah, it's super cool.
Everett It's just, yeah, it is super cool. I know the other anecdote you have was, and we should talk about it because it's really cool. Send it. It just occurred to me. So my brother in law came up from California. So he is a, uh, he's a campus pastor. He's a pastor at UC Davis. Shout out to Davis Christian Fellowship, Chi Alpha. Uh, my brother in law will, Uh, just a totally lovely person, uh, is the, I guess, director of that or that organization. And he, they come up pretty often. They came up this weekend and stayed a few days with us and had a great time with Will. Uh, but he says to me, I think the first night he got here Friday night, he says, or Saturday night, something like that. He says, Hey, uh, one of my staff members, fellow named Pete. Uh, or perhaps Peter, I'm sorry if, if you're listening and I got it wrong. Uh, Peter is, uh, a new staff member. He's worked with us for a long time. His, his, uh, wife has worked for us for a long time, but we're talking about watches. He's into watches. And I was telling him, Peter, about you and your show. My brother-in-law has a podcast and I guess Peter said, well, what's the name of the podcast? I was 40 and 20. And he's like, I totally listened to that show. Those guys are awesome. I love that show. And it was like this moment where the connection was made natively outside, you know, like felt like, you know, some credibility with will because he's this successful dude.
Andrew And, you know, I feel like, you know, I've got some desire to impress him, uh, partner in a law firm, you know, but our watch hobbyist podcast, that's what really, that was the cherry.
Everett You know how these things go. Uh, but yeah, uh, so a shadow Kappa B shout out Pete or Peter. I'm sorry. I'm really sorry. I should have gotten that right. Uh, really? I'm sorry. Uh, but yeah, it was just really neat. It's like, man, that is, I mean, that's the first time that's happened. Obviously people have reached out to us and said, I listened to your show or I've met people online, but that's the first time where there's been like this outside of the ecosystem, outside of the ecosystem, organic connection. And it just felt really cool.
Andrew Yeah. And it's cool. I told my wife that and she's like, you famous. I was like, why does that feel mean?
Everett I mean, it is how that feels a little bit though, right? Yeah. Like we're maybe a little bit famous.
Andrew Some people know us. Some people know us. Now we can't say it's just our moms who listen anymore.
Everett That's right.
Andrew Yeah.
Everett Because. And also Peter. Yeah. DCF. So our three listeners. And that guy whose girlfriend wrote us to say, hey, can you help me pick a watch for my boyfriend's birthday?
Unknown Yeah.
Andrew Yeah. We had another one of those. It doesn't matter. I don't remember. We get some strange DMs and we're going to get some really cool DMs, but some of them are strange. The ones that are strange stand out because they're strange.
Everett Can I interest you in foot pictures?
Andrew Yeah, those are outgoing though.
Unknown Yeah, very true.
Andrew I mean, that's that's like how we fund our Patreon.
Unknown Should we get into it?
Everett I mean, whatever. Could we just call it for the night? I think that's good enough. Yeah, why not? Let's go put garbage.
Andrew So tonight we're tackling an adjacent subject. Okay. Watch adjacent. Watch adjacent.
Everett Yeah. I mean, this is this is watches, but yeah.
Andrew We're talking about straps. We're talking about watch straps, straps, bracelets, bands. Take a pick on what you want to call them. Shoes is my preferred terminology.
Everett Yeah. Can we, can we start with some, some jargon questions and just, and set some ground rules?
Andrew Yeah, we're going to, we should, we should frame this.
Everett Because I feel like watch strap means something soft, flexible, typically leather, nylon, Anything that's flexible was a strap. Okay. And then a watch, a metal, a metal watch holding device as a bracelet.
Andrew Yup.
Everett What's a band? And that band means nothing. But I was informed today by way of my research that band is maybe a blanket term for all of the above. And I don't feel comfortable with it. I don't feel comfortable calling a bracelet a band.
Unknown Do you call dress shoes, shoes?
Andrew Do you call running shoes, shoes? Do you call flip-flops, shoes?
Everett I don't call flip-flops, shoes.
Andrew Could band be the catch-all for what your watch's shoes are?
Everett Well, that was the suggestion. With specificity? That was the suggestion. I just don't know that I agree with it. Is it just a hard... I mean, I'm not like... philosophically opposed to it, it just felt wrong to me. So I guess we just set the rule as a band, a blanket term.
Andrew I feel like it's a catch all.
Everett I don't, I feel like we're going to not use that term because it's imprecise.
Unknown Yeah.
Everett At best imprecise. I don't think I use it.
Andrew Okay. When I'm thinking back talking about watches.
Unknown Okay.
Andrew Yeah. Okay. So we're going to talk about, Your watch is shoes tonight in a pretty big range.
Everett First thing we want to do. I'm much more comfortable with shoes by the way.
Unknown Me too.
Andrew It's what your watch wears. Yeah. Gets it around. That's right. Keeps it from falling on the ground. Oh no. It's too early to be falling off like this. We're screwed. in the big sense of the word. So we want to tackle some really big topics. First, what and why, right? Every single watch, well, there are some exceptions, but I'm comfortable saying every single watch you buy is going to come with a bracelet or strap of some kind.
Everett Many of them you should throw away. Many, many, many of them.
Andrew Not the watch, the shoes.
Everett If it says Seiko and it comes on anything other than metal.
Andrew Probably toss it. Just see if maybe they'll just send the watch and save you the shipping weight. So we're going to do that. We're going to talk a little bit about what's going on your watch, why it's going on your watch. We're going to touch on why it's okay to spend some money. And we're going to spin right at the end. We're going to spend our time delta talking about the counterfeit slash fake slash replica. slash knockoff world of watch straps and where it's places in the market.
Everett Yeah, it's something people don't talk about a lot.
Andrew And it should be. I think it deserves to be talked about. It's not nearly the money generating segment that watches themselves are, but it's an arguably larger market. Just lower dollar value. Yeah. So first up. Get me started, baby. We need to address just a a few quick varieties of straps or play. Yeah, we we need to figure out what's available out there, because if we're going to take this conversation from the perspective of somebody who just grabbed, let's say we're we're a we're a first watcher and let's say they picked up a diver of a first watcher. Yeah, that's my first watch.
Everett Okay, okay, so okay, it came on and it came on.
Andrew Let we'll call it the the orient mako buyer. Okay, yes, and this person now has a perfectly adequate bracelet that is neither good nor bad. Neither good. It just is. It's a hair puller. It's comfortable-ish enough, but you can do a lot better. You did the right thing in buying it on a bracelet, but you got to have options. What have we got out there for them? What exists in the watch world Let's tear away all the jargon of what people are calling things and what is available for that buyer. So first for me, we've got rubber and silicone, which are uniquely different and each have their own long lineage of straps available. For me, dive watch, I'm going to go Barton Elite silicone and I have not yet found my tropic strap. I know you've got one. What have you got in the way of a Tropic?
Everett So this is just an FKM Tropic Strap. This is a Tropic purchased off AliExpress. It's nothing special, nor is it anything bad. It is a very simple sort of waffle back vented Tropic Strap made of floral, floral rubber, floral FK, FKM Uh, it's soft, it's pliable, it's wonderful. You can get them for $10 on AliExpress or $40 on every single micro brand website on the face of the earth.
Andrew Yeah. And if you go to watch Gecko, you're going to be looking at spending like nearer to a hundred.
Everett Yeah. Well, and, and, and so therein lies the very first question.
Andrew Yeah. Is it worth it? And I, I am. This is a hard pill to swallow, I think, as somebody shopping for shoes for your watch. How much, for me, what's your threshold for a strap purchase? Because a bracelet is a whole other world. What's your threshold?
Everett You know, I think that this part of our conversation is the one where I may be the least certain right now. If you had asked me this question 12, 18 or 12 months ago, I think my answer may have been different than it is today. Uh, which is to say, I am a, you know, I'm a guy who appreciates the consumables produced and sold, um, by reputable companies, uh, which is to say, I prefer to have things that are marketed by companies that I like, that I, that I enjoy. With that said, I think what's become abundantly clear to me in the last 12 months or so is that by and large, rubber straps like this unbranded FKM strap are almost all, almost exclusively, uh, made by one or two companies. Um, and those companies are located in China or East Asia. And those companies sell those straps direct from the manufacturer on AliExpress. And so this strap, for instance, you can buy this strap on this watch fixed to this Vostok Amphibia Dostok as it were. This strap, you can buy this strap off of Uncle Seiko. It is exactly, exactly the same strap with zero differences besides the buckle. You can buy this strap on Uncle Seiko and for 45, I think, or you can buy it for 10 bucks from AliExpress. is, in my mind, a pretty reasonable threshold or a place to step off. If I can get this thing for less money from the manufacturer, because what Uncle Seiko is doing, and no disrespect to Uncle Seiko, everybody's doing this. Nodus is doing this. Everyone is doing this. If I can get this strap from the person who made it for way less money, I might just do that, actually. Unless there's some attribute. Now, you just handed me a traffic strap from Cheapest Nanostraps.
Unknown Yeah.
Everett That is made, I believe of TPU or perhaps PVC. One of the two.
Unknown Yeah. I don't remember what it is.
Everett It's hard.
Andrew It is.
Everett It's sharp. It's sharp. It's not flexible or pliable. It does look good though. It looks great. But to me, that's the difference.
Unknown Yeah.
Everett Materials feel and quality if they're the same and it's not dirty, meaning no one's getting robbed or no one's getting wronged in the transaction, I think, you know, I may go with the cheaper option. Increasingly so. Especially as we learn, you and I, learn more and more about the industry and the business end of this piece.
Andrew Fair enough. That's the topic I want to circle back to. Because I have questions. Okay. They're maybe bigger than a single episode. They might even be bigger than a podcast episode. They might just be some parting thoughts. So next, we have the, we won't say the word, but it starts with an N and ends with an 8-0.
Everett We can say the word because we're not selling anything.
Andrew We have nylon pass-throughs. We have a weird Instagram comment deep in the catalog of somebody accusing me of being a sellout or us of being a sellout for putting a NATO on a dive watch for a picture. I still, to this day, think about that because it's, it is confusing to me.
Everett Like someone said, you're shilling for a company.
Andrew It's a, yeah, it was, uh, oh gosh, it was something about being a sellout, putting a NATO on a diver. There was no, there was no like you're shilling. There was no, Hey, you're, you're repping this brand. It was very much the strap. and watch choice sell out. That was the it's still to this day, like bog. I ponder it because I don't understand it. If people insult me like hey, you're short and you're balding like yes mean, but accurate. I understand I understand this this insult, but things that I don't get. I just kind of like seethe on because I'm like what the fuck does that mean? What does that mean? I appreciate clever insults, because and I like the burn later like a like a delayed You know, the delayed release burn. It still hasn't landed, man. Try again. I think NATOs are great. And I think they're great for a whole bucket load of reasons. And I think they're especially great for new watch people. Because you can come by them very inexpensively. And depending on what... Six, seven bucks a piece. Or less. Or less, yeah. I think one of my recommendations for a new watch person is to hit up CheapestNATO's and buy five or six of them because you're going to spend four to five dollars per strap. They're going to be totally acceptable quality. The hardware is really where they're lacking. Yeah. They do like sales throughout the year, like buy four, get one free. Shipping is cheap and you get to experience a bunch of different styles of straps, colors of straps, and things to sort of sharpen your tastes, to figure out what it is that you like. Because I've actually been really lucky in that I haven't yet spent a bucket load of money on something or a watch-related something and didn't like it. And I think that I'm a little bit unique in that. I think a lot of people have a bad experience. And whether it be a one-off, bad experience or an actual just like, I just don't fucking like this. And I wish that I had tried something in lieu of this bad experience. I mean, you had a weird one with a, with a new, yeah, we won't say, we won't say they're going to brand name.
Everett Yeah. We won't say the name of the company, but I got a weird, I got a weird NATO once from a company and they were really cool about it. Um, and it was a total one off. It's, it's a company that makes great NATOs and, and I have other exact, you know, the same exact strap and other iterations that it was fine. But yeah, that was, that was kind of a weird experience. I got a thing and I was like, what the hell is this?
Andrew But we buy so many things sight unseen. How many people have, I mean, how many watches have you seen in the metal before you've actually bought it?
Everett Yeah.
Andrew Three, maybe four. Yeah. Not, not a ton. Not a ton. And, and Watches, I think, lend themselves to photography. You can find a lot of reviews on watches. You find less on straps. And it's kind of a scary endeavor to drop, you know, 200 bucks on a watch strap and not know what you're about to get.
Unknown Yeah.
Andrew So.
Everett Do we talk briefly about NATO straps? We should. Yeah, we should.
Andrew Oh, because, yeah, there's still a whole variety in there.
Everett Yeah. Yeah, and you know, you said a thing earlier and I think it's accurate. I think if you don't have any NATO straps and you just want to get some variety and you want to play with some things and you don't want to spend an arm and a leg because you don't even know and this and that.
Andrew And you want to try gelding some and you want to try not.
Everett I think cheapest NATO straps is a fantastic option for that. My long term review of cheapest NATO straps is that you can do better. I don't like the hardware. I oftentimes don't like the fabric. I think that their standard NATO fabric is fine and good and I don't mind it at all. Uh, with that said, I think you can do a lot better than that.
Andrew I have one side by side with a much more expensive tubular. And if you feel them, I think the fabric is identical.
Everett Yeah, I think that's right. One of those is a Barkin Jack, right?
Unknown Yeah.
Everett Yeah. You know, it's a really interesting, I, you know, I don't, I don't, you know, I don't think that there's a ton of companies making unique NATO straps. I think much like rubber, NATOs are made by a handful of companies. The material. The material. With that said, well, and the hardware, right? You know, there are a ton of NATO strap companies and they all do things just a little bit differently. Some of them, So the edges, which I think is cool and can also be problematic. There are companies that have, you know, hardware that looks a little different. Um, two companies. That I can think of blue shark and crown and buckle are both, I think, investing in nylon weaves, which whether you want that or not is up to you, they're selling their straps at a premium. Those are the companies that I buy NATO's from. by and large. And manky straps are a little different. And maybe we kind of pass over those for today's episode because they're fantastic and we love them and just buy, buy, buy.
Andrew Just buy one. You're not going to be disappointed. Measure your risk, though.
Everett With that said, I think that even, you know, more and more, even with Blue Shark, you're finding the exact same fabric available from the manufacturer. And is that OK? Is that OK? You know, Bark and Jack. Is purchasing fabric Nato's and branding them and selling them. And is that problematic? Um, is it problematic if you were to find out that the fabric that Barkinjack uses, not saying this, just proposing a hypothetical as an uninformed podcast host. If Adrian from Barkinjack were using material that was developed by a company for proprietary purposes, and then later turned around and sold by the factory backdoor to the whole world after R&D costs have been fronted by a company, would that bother you?
Andrew I think it'd bother me more if it was a one-to-one deal. If it wasn't made wholesale available to everyone. I don't think you can blame a retailer for seeking out the best product. Right? You can't always make the best product. You can't R&D the best product. There's a potential there, but R&D for nylon, I mean, how much better can nylon get?
Everett Yeah. Well, I think it can get a lot better, but I do think that there's a couple of companies shouldering the load on that.
Andrew Perhaps, yeah. For those that aren't. Crown and buckle them, then Blue Shark. Right. And so for those that aren't, who want to sell the absolute best product available on the market, Just because the manufacturer is being shysty, does that mean you bow out of the running and competition? And I think the answer is no. I think if it's made available to everyone, you as a business owner have to make the decision to go with the best product available. And yeah, I think you have to. And that's why the strap industry is so strange, because leather is leather. There's a a million varietals but each variety of leather is sort of just leather. Big differences come in stitching and in tanning and in how you treat the leather and and the cut of leather yeah the cut of the leather but maybe nylon is a better example because there's a little bit less diversity in nylon but tubular nylon is just that. I don't know if I've ever had a tubular nylon strap that felt harder or softer than any other. Yeah. The hardware on some is nicer, just objectively nicer hardware. The edges are a little bit less prone to fraying on some, and I don't know what that comes to because everyone's melting or laser cutting and like cauterizing their ends, but it's nylon. It's going to fray. The strap industry is weird because Most everyone is using the same shit. The hardware is different and the stamp on hardware is different. And that's what's causing huge price discrepancies throughout the segment. Right? When you have the Omega strap with you, right? I do. Yeah. And that's just a seatbelt style nylon.
Everett Yeah, it is. I would say without any reservation that this is still my very favorite NATO strap ever made. It's not super soft, although it is very soft. It's not, you know, it's not... What's the word I'm looking for?
Andrew It's not supple.
Everett It's not flimsy. It's not flimsy. It's not flaccid. It's not tubular, though. It's got some structure, but it's definitely a seat belt material. The closest thing I have to that is the Blue Shark, which I think is a really good analog.
Andrew The Blue Shark... The Blue Shark's not as thick of a cut.
Everett Yeah, it's really, really close, and I think it's very good. I prefer the Omega. I think Omega really makes a fantastic product, but it's also three times as much as the Blue Shark, and that's, for me, that's not worth it.
Andrew I can't put three, I can't put even a $25 difference between these two watches, or these straps.
Everett The hardware is more refined. Yeah. But the fabric, I mean, I like the fabric better, but I like the fabric 3% better, not 300%.
Andrew Yeah. And, and I think that's, that's where we come to on that is, is there's this sweet spot in nylon straps that I think is in the 40 to $60 range.
Everett And if, and if you're savvy and you feel comfortable with Allie, it's comparable. You can get this blue sharp fabric from Allie express for 10 bucks or less or less. You know, there's a ton of newish NATO strap companies and we like a lot of them. But I'm telling you right now, you can get that fabric on Aliexpress.
Andrew That's a problem, though. I think that's the same. That's the same question of is it okay for a company to be procuring backdoored material and selling it? Absolutely. It's it's it's literally the same. You cut out the middleman, though. You're just buying it directly. Manufacturer who's back during the material. We had this conversation the other day because I got on Ali. and I bought some rubber straps because I want to experiment with curved end rubber straps before I drop the money for curved ends like a $200 investment. I want to see if that curved end is any better than a straight end. So I spent $12 for the test run.
Everett This is the classic replica argument though, right?
Andrew Yeah. and that this that's kind of the the the one of the things i wanted to get to and maybe we're here why is it okay with straps and not with watches yeah well i i think that you nailed it earlier when you said it the the price point is different the price point is different and that's and that's it
Everett You know, I think that there is some comfort in putting your replica strap on a legitimate piece. They're usually unbranded, often unbranded, although not always. I have been in possession in my life of a replica watch strap, and then it got stolen. I haven't found it, by the way.
Andrew Been looking. Not by me. I did not steal it. Be really clear here.
Everett Yeah. No, it got stolen by robbers. Uh, but yeah. Uh, or, or burglars, I should say. There's a distinction to be made for, for legal types like us.
Andrew The sticky bandits came in and stuck whale or things.
Everett Uh, but yeah, there's, uh, you know, there's just some comfort in the fact that it's the strap, which is a secondary piece versus the, the, the main show.
Andrew In, in the last three days, I've had this conversation now three times. Why are we so willing to spend a bucket load on a watch and not so willing to spend even 10% of that on a strap?
Everett And let's be clear. When you say we, you mean everybody besides Everett, everybody in the world besides Everett. No, would you buy? I am famous for taking a $17 watch. And when I say famous, I mean, nobody knows this besides me, but but I in my own mind, I am famous. You probably haven't heard of me for taking a $17 watch and putting the most expensive NATO I could realistically find on it.
Andrew No, I get that. But if there was a Omega branded curved and rubber for the Speedmaster. Would you pay 400 bucks for it?
Everett Yes, I would. Yes, 100%. Yes, I would. Without reservation? Without reservation. Not an Ollie? No, no. Without reservation, I would. There is one, and I don't like it because it's got yellow paint on it.
Andrew You can scrape that off. We have mineral spirits in my garage.
Everett Yes, yes, I would. Absolutely.
Andrew Okay, so most people aren't comfortable with that. I agree. And I'm going to use me. So I have a Manta Atlas, which I love. You do, you do. Actually, I lied to Clay. I told him that I had only one watch left on a bracelet. And I realized today the Sarp was still on a bracelet because I haven't worn it since it got hot. I was wearing it today because I never went outside. I'm hesitant to spend the $230 for the, what is effectively an Everest strap. I spent $2,000 on that watch. but $230 seems a bridge too far for me for a strap. I have it still on the OEM bracelet, and I've been really close to putting a $20 Barton Silicone Elite on it, which is not to disparage the Silicone Elite, because it's my absolute favorite watch strap of all time.
Everett And you like that strap more than I do, but it's undoubtedly a fan favorite, and it's a great strap. I have one, and I dig it. I have four. Yeah.
Andrew They're super comfortable. They're easy to clean. Quick release. That's that's a for all you new watch owners out there. Get a Barton Silicone Elite in a couple colors.
Everett Hot take. They're too sticky. They're sticky. That's that's my complaint. That's why I don't like them. But I like them. I like my own one. I like it.
Andrew But Tuesday, they're they're my my hands down favorite barring the Monta bracelet. But that's a bridge too far for me. Forty. I mean, with the Mankey's 40 plus shipping. So like 48, I want to say was what they come out to 50 bucks.
Unknown I was like, this is a lot.
Andrew Yeah. Well, I impulse bought an $800 watch and then put it on a Barton Silicon elite.
Everett Yeah. No, you know, when you read the forums on this, you see this a lot, right? Like why would you put a $50 strap on a $50 watch? Or a $60 strap on a $60 watch. That makes sense. I can get that. I don't get that. I don't get that. I want the watch to be as good as possible. If I can get an SNK for $60, circa 2015, and I can put a dope $80 strap on it, something that I'm going to love, fuck yeah. Do it, man. Put the best strap that you can. on your watch. It doesn't mean you need to buy, you know, $275 SMPR custom stitched or whatever for your SNK.
Andrew Because you should be buying EA8 leather for custom stitched for your SNK.
Everett But if you do and you love it, you're going to love it that much more. The strap is just as important as the watch. You know, it, you know, it's like a drive for dope up for show, right? Or vice versa.
Andrew I think he said drive for dope, and I was like, where are we going?
Everett Drive for show, pup for dough, right? The strap is what is going to make the enjoyment of the watch for you, in my mind. Whatever it is, get a strap that you're gonna love, and it's gonna make you love the watch.
Andrew Even if you already love it, I can speak to that. There's plenty of watches that I've had that I really liked, and then I put it on just the right strap, and it changes it.
Everett You know, we have another anecdote here along the same lines. We've got a friend that we talk to pretty regularly, uh, who may or may not be the editor in chief of the website that we work for. Uh, and he has recently, uh, he's recently come in contact with a Grand Seiko, a beautiful Grand Seiko. Um, and, I think that he's thinking he may want to buy said Grand Seiko. Or perhaps, I don't know, with the way that guy works, he may have already bought it. But true, Grand Seiko, for this model of watch, makes a beads of rice bracelet. And it's a totally lovely beads of rice. Grand Seiko makes them to order. When you order it, they make the strap, and it's beautiful. It's made for the watch. What you would expect from Grand Seiko in a bracelet. And they are $1,000. $1,000 money. And so in this conversation, I think the initial consensus of the group was, that's crazy. And Everett, I'm contrarian. If you've ever been in a chat group with me, you know that I'm contrarian. Even if he agrees with you, he's going to disagree. Oftentimes. Uh, and, and it's not pure devil's advocacy, but it sometimes is a little bit of that. Uh, with that said, I think you just like to sow chaos. I said, you know, I, I don't necessarily agree with this. It's not worth it. I think that if you want the best bracelet for that watch, that's the fucking bracelet. And if you put that bracelet on that watch, you're gonna love it. I agree with that. you're going to love it. And if you have already spent that much on a watch, we're not, it's not a crazy endeavor to spend a little bit more on the bracelet, 25% more that is going to make the watch. And so while I may not say you need to get that, I'm going to say, if you want that, Fucking get it.
Andrew Go get the bracelet. Definitely don't rule it out. But the bargain hunter in me, right? The affordable guy in me. Find the best bang for your buck.
Everett Go to Uncle Seiko.
Andrew They've got one little fit. They don't, though. That's the thing is that this Grand Seiko model is. It's got a 19 millimeter lug width. Which really limits your braceleting options for third parties. But for me, I want to find the best I want to find that meeting ground of the most expensive or of the least expensive and the best. And I think those two often line up.
Everett Timex Iron Man on the band. Go.
Unknown Yeah. Magic.
Andrew But you know exactly what I'm talking about. That's what this whole show is about. It's finding the best bang for your buck. I know exactly what you're talking about. It's Seiko SSB031. It's shit. Any other watches that are sitting on this table? You know, we've got a few Casio's, a Doctalk, a Saab, which is no longer the best bang for your buck, an EMG Nemo, the SSB031, the Khaki Field, like bangers for the amount of money you're paying for.
Everett We've got two F91s and an F84, which is, uh, yeah, yeah.
Andrew I think the strapping between the three is worth more than, shit, just the strapping on any one of them is probably worth more than the three combined.
Everett This strap on this.
Andrew Oh, it's a blue shark. Yeah, it's worth more than all three.
Everett On this F-84. So, so right, you know, buy the one you like. Don't worry too much about it. If you really want to try to find the bargain, you can hit us up. We'll definitely try to steer you in the right direction.
Andrew I want to, I want to just make a, make a food for thought here. And this is the, the. Make a food. I'm pooping. I'm done. I'm gonna take this mindset change and I'm gonna propose it to you all. Think of buying straps for your watches like buying tires. You should not, and if you do, stop. Go to the used discount tire store to buy tires for your car. You shouldn't do that.
Everett Or even, dare I say, Costco or Walmart. I go to Costco because they got good warranty. People are going to disagree with me. Paint. Not everyone has Les Schwab. Paint and tires are the two things in life you should buy at a specialty store. And watch straps.
Andrew But you don't buy shit. Yes. And if you're doing that, you should probably stop for safety reasons. Paint, less so. But tires for your car. Spend the money. it's going to be better. And that's kind of the, that's my takeaway from this whole thought process today. And, and I think, I think Allie throws a weird wrench in it.
Everett For me, it definitely does.
Andrew And there's some, there's some ethical considerations there that.
Everett And we're not going to make those decisions for you. You can make them yourself, but, but just know that there's a thing to think about.
Andrew Yeah. Like, yeah. Some ethical considerations there that should be considered because there's also risk involved. buying from AliExpress. Not everything there is out the back door of the manufacturer. It could very well just be counterfeit shit. Um, but no, we established that. Okay. Yeah. Uh, yeah, they are as much an integral part of your watch as the dial.
Everett And there are probably not a ton of bad choices either. I mean, you, you can feel comfortable in whatever decisions you make in this regard. But my opinion is spend that, spend the extra money and get that, that fantastic lush swab tire. Cause you don't, you don't love it.
Andrew And I'm comfortable throwing out some names of companies that we're comfortable with.
Everett And that paid us to say this.
Andrew Obviously they paid us to say it. But I think if you're looking in that pass-through world, try companies like Blue Shark, like Haviston.
Everett Crown & Buckle.
Andrew Crown & Buckle. Because you're getting a diversity in the designs there that are not just material, they're 100% design differences. You've got tons of rubber options, and I think Watch Gecko is a good place to go to look at.
Everett Yeah, Benetto Sid Tirini, which is a fantastic Italian strap maker, been making them forever. They do great stuff.
Andrew And leather, just go to Erika88. Yeah.
Everett Yeah. Can we talk about leather real quick before we move on?
Andrew We totally just glazed over leather.
Everett We did. And I think I'd like to spend a minute with leather because I think leather is the most confusing strap In part because... Leather's confusing. The diversity of pricing in leather straps is just, it's really difficult to understand what you're paying for, what you're getting. And I think oftentimes quality of materials doesn't flow directly from pricing. Absolutely not. You know, there are a few brands that we slash watch clicker fam are comfortable with and recommend to people. Obviously, if you're a listener to the show, you know, Andrew and I are huge friends, fans, friends, we're huge friends of EA8. Eric is a dude who will Talk to you on Instagram and make a watch strap exactly like you want it. At his detriment. At his detriment. Not charging a living wage for these things, which is his decision. I think he loves it and that's good for him and good for you. Yeah. D-Lugs, another company. You can find them online. B&R, fantastic company. And Watch Gecko, which you've previously mentioned tonight, and I'll just back you up on that. You're gonna get really high quality stuff from those brands. And there's a ton of other brands. Crown & Buckle, who we've already mentioned. With leather, you've got some things you need to understand.
Unknown Yes.
Everett There are different tanning processes.
Andrew Dyeing.
Everett Vegetable tan versus crumb tan. What does that mean? We can't go into it, but feel free to Google it. Generally speaking, vegetable tan is a slower tanning process. Which means more expensive. You're going to get more supple, flexible leathers that are going to patinate differently than a chrome tan. Chrome tan is more of a chemical, more permanent, set in stone, and it's going to change the structure of the leather a little bit without making a strict character judgment as between the two. I prefer veg tan.
Andrew But for a dress watch, for like Crocs, Chrome tan is the way to go because that strap gets worn very infrequently. You're not going to worry about stressing on it. That's the way to go.
Everett Then there's embossed versus actual exotic leathers. There's real croc, real gator. Real ostrich. Stingray. Versus embossed croc calf. That's a difference. You're going to pay more for gator. It's going to be a little bit shinier usually and more expensive.
Andrew Um, I wonder if Eric will let you send strips of exotic to him and he'll make straps out of it.
Everett I'm a hundred percent positive. I am a hundred percent positive he would. He's probably not going to charge you differently. Uh, so you're gonna pay for the material and his full price, but I'm sure, I'm sure he would do that.
Andrew I'm just thinking for someone who's like a gator hunter.
Everett I killed this and tanned this with mud. Can you make it into a strap? I guarantee he'd do it. And then types of leather. You guys look. If a watch strap says genuine leather on it, do not fucking buy it. For more than $20. Do not buy it. Even for $20. So you're looking for full grain? Yep. Or top grain. You're looking for full grain or top grain. If it is a, if it is a named leather company, often you're going to get one of those two things. There's Shell Cordovan, which is a subcutaneous horse hide, very dense, borderline waterproof, extremely expensive. If you're buying it, you know what it is. Full grain or top grain, and that's it. Don't buy anything besides those two things. Unless it's suede. Suede is usually more of a, It's a little bit lower in the skin, similar to what you'd get with a genuine leather in terms of where it lies in the skin layer. With that said, you've got an open nap and so it wants to be that way. Genuine leather is suede that's been glued and polished.
Andrew Suede looks good though.
Everett That's right.
Andrew I think we need more suede straps in the world.
Everett I've got two of them on the table.
Andrew I have just one, but it's not out here.
Everett And yours is a shitty suede.
Andrew It is. It was a sample. It was a, it was, I want to see if suede is going to be the right choice here. Suede wasn't the right choice for it. And I still like that suede strap.
Everett I think you should be spending between 45 and 120 on a standard leather strap. And if you're spending more than that, you're going to know exactly what you're buying.
Andrew Yeah, and reason for that is the labor cost of proper leather work.
Unknown I think.
Everett Yeah, well, can you tell, can you talk a little bit about that?
Andrew So machine leather work can, is great. And the labor that goes into, even if it's machine, it's not necessarily human work hours labor. It's time consuming to tan, to dye, to properly finish leather. And I think you can look at any number of leather straps. And I have four sitting in front of me.
Everett I've just handed Andrew four handmade.
Andrew I don't know whose this is. Leather straps. It's Eric's. It's a chocolate one.
Everett That's a shell cordovan strap. Okay. Oh, that's the one you made. I've made. So of the four straps you're holding, I made all of them. Okay. So here's the other thing, guys. If you're a hobbyist, You can make leather straps. And these straps I've just handed Andrew. Why don't you give me your assessment of them? And you don't have to be nice. You can be mean if you want to.
Andrew So my assessment of these is that they are all well broken in, relatively old, like maybe dad's strap. And which speaks to the quality that a hobbyist can produce, but also that lack of quality. None of these are more than two years old, three years maybe at the most. And they all behave like a 15-year-old leather strap. They're a little bit flimsy at this point. They're wrinkled and cracked, which is, you know. Quality of leather. Quality of leather. The shell cordovan one, though, is holding up because of the quality of leather that he used to generate this strap. And that's it. 80-year-old shell cordovan. a quality material, quality processes to treat, tan, dye, finish. It's just time-consuming.
Unknown Yeah.
Andrew And then if you throw in hand stitching, just watch some of Eric's videos on how time-consuming leather stitching is.
Everett Each of those took me three hours or so to make, which in my dollars is... about 800 bucks. So you're holding about $3,500 in straps in your hand right now.
Andrew And there's the occasional... This one stitching I think is pretty flawless, but there's flaws in the stitching. Yep. They're handmade, right? Which you're not going to find in a fine leather strap. They're going to toss that when they make an error, or they're just not going to make the error. Yeah, it all comes down to quality materials and the time taken to ensure that those materials remain quality, which makes leather straps expensive. Leather is more expansive than nylon. I love all these straps, by the way. They're all good. I'd wear them. The Raleigh strap was a good first go.
Everett Andrew, what else you got to add about watch shoes today?
Andrew I think the right answer is to spend more than you're comfortable with. I think that's where I'm going now.
Everett Maybe that's not a one-size-fits-all recommendation because I think some people are very comfortable spending way too much money on this stuff. With that said, don't be afraid to spend a little bit of money on the strap, especially if it's going to make the watch.
Andrew Yeah. If it's going to make you wear it and like it, I think spend just a hair more than you're comfortable with. Because it's going to be worth it. You're going to wear that watch that you spent a bucket load of money on to buy and aren't wearing because you don't like what it's wearing.
Unknown That's right.
Everett Andrew. Other things.
Andrew Do you not have any final thoughts?
Everett No, man. No, I said my final thoughts like in the first 10 minutes. Hours ago. Hours ago. Other things. What do you got?
Andrew We had a lovely 4th of July weekend neighborhood party. We did. Which was really unusual to me. I've never lived in a neighborhood that had a neighborhood party. I've lived in a cul-de-sac that three of the houses on said cul-de-sac were all friends and we would grill in one another's backyards. But never a block party complete with invitations. left on my front porch. It was really cool. It was super cool. And we showed up. And I don't know, half of the houses on the on the street had a presence there. Sounds right. And it was lovely. It was super fun. And the whole time I was like, what year is this? There's all these kids, just just a flock of kids playing in the backyard. I don't know these people, they don't know me. And they said, come on in. Do you need a beer? You need a margarita? Yeah, here's all the amenities available for you. One amenity I'm prepared to speak about and is my other thing for the week. It was such a great amenity that I purchased it. We're outside and it's hot. It was like 90 some and change. Just too hot for my sensitive complexion. So I'm under the patio cover. Perfectly comfortable.
Everett Because these people have- These geniuses. Misters.
Unknown Oh, misting fair, cool.
Andrew No, they have direct line from their hose, ceiling mounted misting nozzles.
Everett Full on like the state fair with the little misting area.
Andrew Yes, around the entire perimeter of their patio cover. So I stood under that and just sweated off the mist that was landing on me. But it was, I was like, this is why I don't use my backyard during the summer. Cause I can't be outside without just melting. So I went to the Amazon. I went to the Google and just like, I just Googled ceiling mounted misters. Cause our neighbor made it seem like it was an invention. And I was like, that's just not the case. Yeah. You know, I, I am an engineer by trade and I really like evaporative cooling. So this just made sense.
Everett It's like he actually said those words.
Andrew Yeah. I'm glad that stuck with you too. Cause it was such a weird thing to say, but it made me like kind of question. Like, did he know he didn't make this? This is available. You can buy this and you look around the rest of the house. You know, this guy bought this. So I went to the Google, I just Googled ceiling mounted misters and I ran through a couple and frankly I bought the cheapest one. Just to give it a test run. Frankly. Yeah. $21 for 27 feet of tubing and what looks to be like 12 spigots. And the spigots are small. They're just little T-inserts in this black rubber hosing. That hyper-atomize the water. Yeah. They just, they just have a, have a little spray function. So for 27 feet, these things connect direct to your hose. All you have to do is turn it on and you have misting function that wasn't too high pressure. And I, and I don't, I'm wondering if, if it's going to be pressure from the hose or if they pressure control through the line. I think you could regulate that. Yeah, it'll be really easy to tweak and regulate. It looks to be very easy to install. It comes with a female end to attach right to a spigot. It has evenly spaced nozzles in the hose to staple up to the edge of your patio cover. And I'm now going to have a comfortable patio for the next year's summer.
Unknown Yeah.
Andrew Because the summer is going to be over here. That's right. It arrives on Thursday and I'm going to have it probably mounted on Tuesday. You needed it three weeks ago. Yeah. But what a cool amenity for your patio there for the three times a year that you need it. Yeah. Because how many times you not use your back patio because it's hot or just sucks outside. Yeah. Or there's no if there's no shade there's options and that's that's a you thing. But the mister, when I saw it, I was like, I can't believe I never thought of this. Because I've had misting fans before. I lived in Texas. Those are necessary. I almost bought a swamp cooler for my garage. But 21 bucks, 27 feet of hose and misting nozzles going up onto my patio next week. The only thing I'm a little bit concerned about is now I have to get a grill cover. I can't just push it into my
Everett patio that's right yeah i'm gonna get wet but it'll be open i don't know maybe i won't yeah no it's cool i like it that's a good purchase so yeah just think of your comfort live for comfort i've got another thing do me so i've discovered this thing last week last friday i was uh i was getting off of work and i i was thinking gosh what should i do when i get off work and i i was just on on the internet And I found these things called movie theaters. Oh, I've heard of those. So as you likely know at home, uh, we've spent the last, uh, the better part of the last year and a half in, in a very, very weird time in my life. And.
Andrew Not the weirdest.
Everett You basically couldn't go to the movies.
Andrew Not basically. Could not.
Everett I went to a movie in a theater and I sat in the seat and I drank a big diet Coke.
Andrew Did they bring you food?
Everett They didn't. It wasn't that kind of theater, although that is a thing. Uh, and it was just, Andrew, it was wonderful. It was wonderful. I went by myself, which is a thing I do. I don't know that everybody enjoys that, but that's the thing I will do occasionally.
Andrew If you haven't tried it, try it.
Everett It's great. I loved it. I loved it. I was so happy. I mean, I think a big, big portion of my happiness was just the, you know, the joy of doing this thing that I haven't been able to do in so long, but man, oh man, if you have not been to a theater and you're vaccinated and you're comfortable going out in public, uh, Uh, just go because the pleasure I felt in doing this relatively silly, relatively mundane thing for three hours on a Friday night was just joyful.
Unknown Would you see?
Everett I saw Quiet Place 2.
Andrew It's a movie I don't think I'd be willing to watch alone.
Everett Which I strongly recommend. I think it was really, really good. Uh, you know, when I heard that they were going to make a sequel, this is not my other thing, by the way, this is a bonus.
Andrew bonus other thing. We got to play a wall.
Everett Yeah, we need that one. Yeah. When I heard they were going to, you know, make a sequel to that, I thought, I don't, I don't really see it. Uh, it's, this is going to be silly. Uh, it wasn't, they did a really good job with it. I thought, uh, you know, no snow spoilers or anything, but the story is different. Uh, the actors are phenomenal. I, and it was good. It was intense, you know, Very, very intense. That's an intense movie. Uh, but yeah, just sitting in the theater and it was cool. It was a warm evening, but I went in and I brought up, I brought a hooded, a hooded sweatshirt because you know, yeah, cause you know, and, and I put it on, you know, 97 degrees I think that afternoon and I went in the theater and I put on my hoodie and I just like melted into the seat. And I watched a movie on this gigantic screen. I'm jealous. And it made me so happy.
Andrew I have a funny story about the Quiet Place, now franchise. When I was watching the first one with my wife, it was long after it had come out and it was in the time frame that Quiet Place 2 had dropped some trailers.
Unknown Okay.
Andrew And I'm gonna spoil Quiet Place 1 for y'all because It's been long enough. If you haven't seen it, that's on you. Yeah, just turn it off.
Everett You're just going to miss the song and that's it.
Andrew Uh, it's a scene where John Krasinski is about to die. We told you to turn it off. Okay, guys. And Sam goes, There's no way he dies. I saw him in a trailer for a quiet place, too. And I'm kind of relieved. And then he fucking dies.
Everett Very dead.
Andrew And I'm like, What? What do you She goes, no, no, no, he's going to survive. He's going to make it. I saw him in the trailer.
Everett I saw that scene and he did not make it.
Andrew And I was like, no, there's no, there's no conceivable way he comes back from this. And she's committed. She's like, no, no, no, he makes it. I saw him in the trailer. And I immediately hit IMDB. I'm like, he's the director. He's not in it.
Everett Well, he is in it. To be clear, he is in a quiet place too. But he's not in it. He's in the movie. He's in the movie. He's an actor in the movie that is in a significant portion of the movie. And she goes, but he is very much dead at the end of A Quiet Place 1. She goes, huh.
Andrew So I guess he's dead. I just remember that because I've never been. It was like just this roller coaster within a roller coaster of an already emotional scene coupled with her like denying Oh yeah, it was good. So I'm excited to see Quiet Place 2. I know it probably won't. I think the last movie I saw in theaters was Jurassic World.
Everett Andrew, you got anything else you want to tell me about straps, or bracelets, or bands, or shoes, or John Krasinski, or... Buy what you like.
Andrew Buy like tires, more than you need.
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Unknown Bye bye.
Unknown Oh.