Episode 135 - What is this Thing On My Watch

Published on Wed, 26 May 2021 23:41:56 -0700

Synopsis

This is a transcript from a podcast episode discussing various aspects of watch dials and complications. The hosts talk about features like split-second chronographs, tachymeters, telemeters, jump hour displays, calendar complications like date, day-date, annual and perpetual calendars, moon phases, power reserve indicators, and the layout of subdials on chronograph watches. They explain what each of these complications is and provide some historical context. They also discuss other curiosities found on watch dials like zone indicators on world time watches.

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Andrew	Hello, fellow watch lovers, nerds, enthusiasts, or however you identify. This is 40 in 20, the Watch Clicker podcast with your host, Andrew and my good friend Everett. Here we talk about watches, food, drinks, life, and other things we like.
Everett	I wish everybody could see. How are you? The look of disappointment on your face.
Andrew	I'm sorry, Andrew. So Everett doesn't usually mute us when the music is playing in our intro. And today, I wanted a sip of beer and I've been looking at sealed beers on the desk. Right as soon as the music hits, I cracked it open, but I didn't hear it in my headphones. And I looked at the board and Everett did the Kabi-Lam, two hands to the board. You fucked it up. And so I have an open beer for those of you at home counting. I have one, was very disappointed. It's a cryo stash, so I'm not disappointed that I'm enjoying it. Cryo stash, my jam. I'm just disappointed that you didn't get to hear me begin enjoying it.
Everett	I'm sorry. You know, sometimes you get a little squirrely in the intro music.
Andrew	I do. I do. That is my jam. You occasionally get a little squirrely. I get a little squirrely in the intro and the outro. I sort of try to make you break during the outro. During the outro, I'm a bit of a loose cannon.
Everett	Topo chico seltzer. Yeah. It's legit.
Andrew	It's got like a little bit of a... It's got that Topo Chico minerally flavor.
Everett	Which almost, almost a little like vanilla. Yeah. Yeah.
Andrew	Yeah. I dig it, dude. This is good. That'd be super good with ice and gin or tequila. It'd be a good, just a good liquor mixer. Uh, I mean I, so I bought those for my wife cause she's attempting keto again. Yup. And um... Good for her. I saw them and I was like, who doesn't like Topo Chico? Also, who doesn't like seltzer? And why wouldn't I combine those flavors? And I opened one and I was like, holy fucking shit. Yeah, it's good. This could replace beer for the summer. It won't, but it could.
Everett	Yeah, it's good. You know, uh, besides the sort of stigma of drinking seltzer, uh, I will say it's not as satisfying as beer. I really enjoy beer.
Andrew	Yeah, I need to. And I think like for me, drinking beer is just kind of like a thing, right? I drink beer. I love beer. If non-alcoholic beer tasted any good, I would transition to non-alcoholic beer. But if I'm feeling like boozing, I'm totally good with seltzer. Yeah.
Everett	Yeah. If I'm, if I'm drinking for the purpose of getting tips. Yeah. Seltzer is good.
Andrew	Yeah. It'll get me there slower, which means I can go longer without getting weird. Yeah. Sometimes I get weird. Andrew, how are you? I'm good. My voice is coming back. It is slowly but surely. My cough is almost gone.
Everett	And how about your body?
Andrew	How are you feeling? My body feels pretty good. I still get tired. I can still feel kind of like I'm breathing through a straw, but now it's like a bubble tea straw as opposed to... A boba straw? Yeah, instead of like a cocktail mixing straw. Yeah. So, you know, we're improving the airway. I still get out of breath, you know, still get tired, but I think that's just from old age. My baldness is not coming back, so I can not blame it on COVID. Uh, what else? Yeah, generally good. You know, back to work fully and feeling okay. Like, I mean, feeling generally okay. I feel about like a, like a mild hangover all the time. That's a, that's the best thing I can equate it to. Sure. A little hungover, a little slow, but generally good.
Everett	Yeah. Yeah. Like, like a solid working man, midweek hangover. Yeah.
Andrew	Yeah. Like going to work Monday morning after getting a little, a little accidentally turnt on Sunday.
Everett	Well, good. That's not a terrible place to be.
Andrew	No, no. I was a pro at that while I was in the army. So, I mean, you know, here we are.
Everett	Does it fluctuate throughout the day just by, by way of your body's steroid levels and?
Andrew	Uh, yeah. And it's hard cause I swap sleep cycles. So, uh, during my work week, when I get home, I start to really like, I fall off a cliff when I'm done for the day. And during my normal week, during my normal sleep cycle, when I sleep like a normal people at night, uh, right before bed, my cough comes back a little bit and I go off the cliff. So I think it's just fatigue, right? Like your body, when it's out of juice, it's out of juice. And my body tells me in a really, really dramatic fashion when I'm out of juice.
Everett	So a few, a few comments from, uh, last week's episode, one in particular, I think actually the only, Q&A comment that we got that was sort of like, you guys screwed this up, which is normal for us.
Andrew	So yeah, we only got one. So I think that's an improvement.
Everett	I think the only notable one was that the ADPT strap sucks. Oh, does it? Well, no, I love it. But there were like 10 people that wrote us, especially to say the ADPT strap blows. And furthermore, it was a topic in the Patreon discord. that actually know the ADPT strap sucks. So apparently the ADPT or ADAPT strap is unpopular. I love it. I love it. Yeah. I mean, it's right here. You can check it out. Give me your thoughts on it. I think it's great. I think it's sturdy. I think it's tough. I don't find it uncomfortable, although it's not a soft strap.
Andrew	You know what, I think people who think this sucks are really accustomed to super soft, supple nylon pass-throughs. And this is a tool strap. That's right. This works perfectly on your Swiss Army 7750 because it's rugged.
Everett	Yeah, it gives the watch a little bit more of that military vibe too, which I think is the intent of that watch. Man, this would be good on the Boulder Venture. Yeah. No, I mean, I love it. I really do enjoy that strap a lot. So, and, and that's not because I'm, I mean, I don't have any reason to like it other than my own personal preference.
Andrew	So. And they're a sponsor of the show. So. That's right. They pay us to say we like it. I mean, the hardware's just, I mean, it's, it's not an exceptional strap. It's a good strap though. It's certainly good enough. What are these? Like what? 30 bucks, 40 bucks?
Everett	Yeah. 35. And made in the USA.
Andrew	Yeah. No, I don't, I love it. If you're hating on this, I think it's just because you want a more comfortable strap.
Everett	Yeah. Yeah. It's certainly not a comfy strap.
Andrew	Um, it's also not an uncomfy strap. It's just, it's a utility strap.
Everett	That's right. Well, let's say it's not a comfy strap. It's not like a pajama strap or something.
Andrew	Yeah.
Everett	It's no manky. That's right. Uh, what is the strap that you have? What is this layered leather? The, Oh, the vario strap.
Andrew	Yeah. So that I have, uh, You saw some pictures of it, and we haven't talked about it, and I'm trying to think of... I had COVID, so a lot of things happened, and I didn't keep track of things that came in. So we're finally going to talk about it briefly, because it's a watch that's sitting in front of us. You've seen pictures of it on the Instagram. So from Vario, V-A-R-I-O, I'm going to pull up their Instagram handle real quick so you know where to find them. It's Vario Everyday and they do a large variety of straps. Some I really don't like because they're just not for me. But this one is their fitted leather strap for the Casio WorldTimer.
Everett	Do they make this strap specifically for the WorldTimer?
Unknown	Yes.
Everett	I was actually just going to say it fits this WorldTimer as if it were made for it.
Andrew	It is made for the World Timer. It comes in four colors. It's very stiff leather and I haven't worn it enough to see what that break-in feel or period looks like or how it feels once it's broken in. Interestingly enough, the tolerances on the strap are tighter than the tolerances on the watch production, so it was a little bit of a pain in the ass to get the quick release seated in the watch. It is a
Everett	This is a thick strap. I mean, this is one of the thickest leather straps I've ever handled. It's like, it's robust. Yeah. It's like a Panerai strap.
Andrew	Yeah. But I like it. It's a touch long for my wrist size. Um, but just a touch, like maybe an eighth of an inch longer than I would like. But when you're selling single length straps, it great, it creates great versatility. So about any wrist size, any standard, type person who's in the medium sized human range will be able to wear this strap. Sorry, Debbie, I don't know if it'll be for you.
Everett	It might be a little, it might be a touch big for Debbie.
Andrew	But it looks good. The four colorways are all money. I have the cinnamon is what they call it. It is killer. Cause I love that watch on leather. Yeah. And that, that strap is literally made for that watch and it looks great.
Everett	It's killer. No, I dig the shit out of it. I dig it. I'm going to wear this.
Andrew	So vario every day at vario every day on Instagram.
Everett	Uh, you can get, um, also we're required to say this before contractual obligations. Thank you vario for sponsoring us. Yeah, that's, that's a joke.
Andrew	You guys don't have a sponsor, but we're not sponsored by anyone, but you, the people, you, the people, um, they do. Uh, gosh, I wasn't planning on talking about this. So no, this is great.
Everett	It's, it's a super high quality strap. Uh, the stitching is good. It's clearly machine stitched, which my, that doesn't bother me.
Andrew	Uh, vario, V-A-R-I-O dot S-G is their website. Um, and they've got an all, they've got watch straps. They've got a couple of watches that are available. Um, I would like to see some of them in person. Um, but they were recommended, um, by Mike. And since I have a world timer and he said, Hey, Give it a try. And I gave it a try and turns out I really like, yeah, it's dope. And so pricing, that's one we should talk about. Um, you can find it yourself, but I can also find it for you real quick. And it is 28 us dollars.
Everett	Oh, that's good. Yeah, that's good. It's a high quality leather. It doesn't, it seems like it's veg tan.
Andrew	So actually six colorways. We've got a oiled leather cinnamon. That's what I have. Uh, there's a graphite, a Prussian blue, kind of in that gray scale of blue, uh, pecan brown. I don't actually say pecan that way, but, um, uh, Merlot red and moss green and cinnamon's kind of my style. I, I struggle to really go outside of the world of, um, black and brown and gray straps. Yeah. I have a blue strap inbound and we'll see how that plays. It's good. I dig it, man.
Unknown	Yeah.
Andrew	So I apologize for taking so long to talk about this, but, uh, check it out if you have a world timer and, uh, you like it on leather as much as I do.
Everett	Andrew, can you tell me what a world timer is?
Andrew	It's a watch. It's an inexpensive watch that, uh, looks very similar to a Seiko worn by James Bond and Casio now makes them. And
Everett	James Bond wears them probably.
Andrew	I'm sure he does. Uh, they have a 10 year battery illuminator and they're a rapid adjust GMT watch.
Everett	Yeah. Yeah. You know, uh, and the reason I ask is because I think it segues nicely into our topic today. Uh, well, two things. One, I don't think you've given me a proper explanation of what a world timer is, but that's okay. Cause we'll, we'll get to it. Cause our topic today is something to the tune of we, we fuck is on your dial. What is this on my watch out? We, we usually don't make the name of the, of the episode until, until you're editing until I'm editing. Uh, but it's something to the extent of what, what is that on my watch dial? That seems a little long. We'll talk to Will. The fuck is that? D-A-F-U-Q-I-S-D-A-T. The fuck is that? Yeah. But yeah, so we're talking about various watch things that might or may or may not be on your watch dial.
Andrew	What is this thing? And it's unlike our complications episode, but related. A first cousin, perhaps.
Everett	Yeah, yeah, I think that's right. I think what we are talking about today are complications, but we're going to get a little bit more, a little bit more nitty gritty than that. A little bit more nitty gritty. Would you say that's fair? Yeah. As opposed to complications generally, i.e. chronograph, GMT, we're going to talk about more specifically, what am I looking at when I look at this thing? Um, because as you may or may not know, Andrew does know, but I mean, you at home, the chronograph, for instance, does not describe one specific thing, but rather a family of things, a very large and very diverse family. So in, in this topic originally, uh, came about as we were discussing, you know, the sub-dial layouts. Right? There are different types of sub-dials. There are different layouts of sub-dials.
Andrew	Different movements affect what sub-dials you can and can't and must have.
Everett	And as we were discussing that, it occurred to us, well, there's maybe some other stuff that we could throw into the mix here too.
Andrew	And to give you a peek behind the curtain of the watch world, shrouded in mystery of weird words that don't make sense, that when Googled, don't lead you to the answer you were hoping for. Because you can't pronounce the word, which means you can't spell it.
Everett	That's, that's right. How do you, how, for instance, do you pronounce? Retropont. Oh, very interesting. Retropont. I think it's Retropont. Retropont.
Andrew	You need more guttural sounds in there. And you know what? You're not, don't Google Retropont. Google split seconds. That's going to get you there. Yeah. And better. Cause I'm not going to tell you how to, how to spell. Oh, you, you want me to do it again? I'm not gonna tell you how to spell it. Yeah.
Everett	Sorry. Well, while we're on the topic, Retropont is derived from the word Retroper, which I'm pronouncing wrong because it's a French word. Retroper. Ooh.
Andrew	Which is... Ooh, I got a little warm under the collar when you said that.
Everett	French for... French. It's the infinitive conjugation of... What's that mean? To catch up. To catch up. Retroper is to catch up. And, as Andrew pointed out, the common English for that is a split seconds, a split seconds chronograph. So, can you tell me, Andrew, what a split seconds chronograph is.
Andrew	So first of all, it's unobtainium for those of us who are normal people in the world.
Everett	For us common coach flying motherfuckers.
Andrew	Yeah. Even if you're business class flying motherfucker, you're probably not going to get into split second world. Now split second is fascinating. It's a fucking awesome movement. It's super cool because it's unobtainium, but also cool because it, I think, is the most functional chronograph available, chronograph movement available. The only way you're ever going to be able to achieve that functionality or surpass that functionality is with a digital stopwatch. A split second is a, I'm going to use a standard chronograph as something that tracks minutes and seconds. That's not a reasonable definition, but for the explanation of a split second chronograph, that's what I'm going to go with. Your split second chronograph is going to be crazy. That's two live timing hands, which track seconds.
Everett	So both initiated at the same time.
Andrew	Yep. Boom. You, you actuate your pusher.
Everett	Your standard 2 o'clock, 3 o'clock pusher, whatever, or 1.30, 2 o'clock pusher.
Andrew	Yeah, 1.04, take your pick. Your start button, we'll call it, and they both run. They're in a race. There's an extra pusher on these.
Everett	Typically at 10 o'clock.
Andrew	Yep. An extra pusher on these to affect one of your second hands.
Everett	Usually the top one?
Andrew	Yeah, usually the top one. I wonder why. It's got to have something to do with the column. The column. Yeah. Oh, because if it's at the 10, they can stack it on top of it. So that makes sense. It can be the last. Anyway, um, at the 10 o'clock ish, depending on, you know, on your manufacturer, you can stop that seconds hand and your second dual second hand will continue running. Keeps going. Keep running. This is kind of a lap functionality. But wait, there's more. When you actuate that second hand again, your stopped hand catches up.
Everett	To catch up.
Andrew	Snaps back. Right up in line with the second second's hand that was running the entire time. And then on reset of your chronograph, they will reset. I don't know if they're all snapped to, You know, or if they just, I'm not sure either.
Everett	I've never seen one of these in action.
Andrew	Never seen one in person probably won't. Uh, should I though we, we will test this theory and we'll get a video of it.
Everett	And, and these are useful. I mean, if it's not, if it's not abundantly obvious, these are useful for keeping the time going while also, uh, catching something in, uh, action. So as, as it were a split, right? If you were swimming or in a race, it would be your split. So you could quickly. Press that 10 o'clock pusher, look down and say, oh, okay, that lap was done in 68 seconds. Press it again. And your time keeps, your time keeps going. Your elapsed time keeps going. Now, obviously this is not quite as functional as a split timer on an Iron Man watch or something. No.
Andrew	Which is why I say you gotta go lap, you gotta go full digital to beat this functionality.
Everett	That's right. And it's also not super functional for things that occur Um, apart, but if you're precise and these things are happening far enough apart, you can get splits. You know, if, if you're, for instance, recording two people or three or even four finishing a race more than say, you know, a few seconds apart, right. Long enough to be able to get the time you could track all those times. Now they're finishing boom, boom, boom. That's not going to be, that's not going to be practical.
Andrew	And also if hours are elapsing between things, like you can't use this to time, you know, your turkey in one oven and your stuffing in the next.
Everett	That's right.
Andrew	Don't do that.
Unknown	That's right.
Andrew	I mean, maybe both will end up poorly.
Everett	That's right. So that is our split seconds or, uh, Hey, Retro Pot. Oh yeah, it's gone.
Andrew	It's gone.
Everett	Retropon.
Andrew	That's our split seconds. And, and that's, that's kind of a, an elusive, I think, and I think unobtainium is the right way to think about it. Watch complication. Most of us will never own one. And if you do own one, you're certainly not going to send it to us to see because USPS insurance is not great.
Everett	Uh, yeah, apparently. Yeah, that's right. That's right.
Andrew	Yeah. Don't put that in USPS. Maybe DHL it. That's safer.
Everett	Okay. So, so next up, Next up, I think it's a good time to move on. What do we got next? A flyback.
Andrew	Ooh, yeah, which is a term that I use.
Everett	Sticking with fun chronograph functions, a flyback. A flyback is, I think that this word gets misused. I think this word gets misused. A flyback chronograph is a chronograph where you can resume the time that the chronograph is keeping literally on the fly in motion. The chronograph is running. You press your reset button at four o'clock as it were, or wherever it is. And instead of having to stop and reset, it will resume itself in a S in a split second fashion back to 12 and just keep going. It resets the chronograph without you having to stop and start. So particularly useful in military applications, um, racing, pardon me, or in racing or in racing. Absolutely. It flies back. It does not just mean, um, that does not just mean the speed at which it gets back to 12. Rather it means it will go back to 12 while running. So in a standard chronograph, a regular chronograph, a pedestrian chronograph, like my Speedmaster Pro, for instance, the actuation of the hammers on the cams, that would injure the movement, right? It's got to deactivate. You've got to have some sort of clutch engaged to reset that thing, or it'll damage it. The Flyback introduces a special cam, some sort of cam.
Andrew	An automatic transmission, if you will.
Everett	Yeah, that's right, to reset. So flyback means while it's running, you can get it back to zero.
Andrew	So what's it called if it just snaps back to zero? I don't know. A VK64. Yeah, that's right.
Everett	Yeah, that's right.
Andrew	Because flyback is often used to describe the motion to return to the 12 o'clock position for your timing seconds hand. So on a VK64, as in the SSB031, you're running it, you hit your reset, your four o'clock pusher, snaps to 12. It doesn't spin. It doesn't tick.
Everett	It just, yeah, that's right.
Andrew	Makes that sound right back to 12 as opposed to say with a quartz chronograph where it around to the reset position.
Everett	So staying on this theme, staying on this theme and a little bit of out of order on our list. That's okay. Cause nobody else can see the list. Uh, I'd like to talk a little bit about a tachymeter or a tachymetra if you're in, the UK, for instance.
Andrew	I don't think that's how they say it. I think it's just how they spell it because they spell things weird.
Everett	No, it's pronounced tachymetra. Tachymeter. Metery.
Andrew	Tachymetry. Ooh, tachymetry. It could be dinosaur.
Everett	So a tachymeter, a tachymeter is simply, simply a way to measure an increment of something and to extrapolate that measurement in a per hour fashion. So then the numbers on attack meter scale are, uh, well, so there are 3,600 seconds in an hour. It's a buttload of seconds. 3,600 seconds in an hour.
Andrew	How many mils are in a circle?
Everett	An attack meter scale is based on a division of that 3,600 or a multiple of that 3,600. Uh, Many people know that you can use a tachometer scale to measure your miles per hour. And I remember at one point thinking, well, does this work for kilometers? I know it works for miles, but it doesn't make sense that the Swiss watch that sold worldwide would be, you know, I guess my point is it was unclear to me how it worked and understanding how simple the scale is. was really an interesting thing. It surprised me because it seems like there must be some voodoo happening. There's just not. It is simple, simple math. So it can't be for kilometers an hour. It can be, and it is, it will measure any interval of anything, any interval of anything and tell you how many times per hour you do it.
Andrew	But here's the thing. On my tachymeter scale. Yes sir. 60 is at the 12 o'clock position.
Everett	That's right and so if you are going 60 miles per hour. Takes me one minute. It will take you exactly one minute. Also true if you are going 60 kilometers per hour it will take you.
Andrew	No but this applies. One minute. Only to 60 kilometers an hour.
Everett	Also true if you are going 60 feet per hour. Also true if you are, I don't know, knitting. No. Knitting. No. 60 scarves per hour, which if you are doing that. Oh, you got to go into business. Fantastic. Uh, all it does is give you for anything, for anything less than a minute, the scale will tell you quickly how many intervals of that thing happen per hour. No. And Furthermore, you can reverse engineer if you know how fast you're going, you can use that scale to tell you when you've gotten to the distance you want. So if you know you're going 60 miles per hour, I know I'm going exactly 60 miles per hour, or say for instance, you are going 75 miles per hour, then you know, When 43 seconds have elapsed and the second hand is lining up with the 75, you've gone a mile or a kilometer or whatever your increment is. Very, very useful, probably underutilized, but you can use it for anything. It doesn't have to be distance. It can be any interval that's relatively regular.
Andrew	I use it whenever I do long drives, I always bring my SSB to test my speedometer.
Everett	To test your speedometer, yeah. You know, it's accurate. Uh, another interesting thing is if for instance, the interval of your thing takes longer than a minute, you can get the measurement, double it. You don't double it. You double both things. You divide both things by two. So it's going to, it's going to take you 75 or say 80 seconds. It's going to take you 80 seconds. Then what you do is At the end of 80 seconds, you'll be at, uh, well, it doesn't matter. You just divided that by two and it'll take you to 40 seconds. And you know, Oh, I'm going 90 seconds per mile. No, no. Now divide the number on the scale by two. You are going 45 miles per hour. Okay.
Unknown	Uh, that's a little bit more advanced. You've got to divide two things in half.
Everett	Um, but. It works.
Andrew	It totally works. This is our most sound effect heavy episode.
Unknown	Yeah.
Andrew	Well, including the episodes where we have just tried the board.
Everett	Okay. Can we talk really quick about a number, another, uh, a couple more scales. So for instance, a telemeter scale, do you know what a telemeter scale is? Is it measured telemetry? Uh, so much rarer than a tachometer. A telemeter enables you to gesture distance from an event or phenomenon that is both visible and audible. The most common here would be the center of a lightning storm. Ooh. Yeah. So I want one. It is a scale that will allow you to measure how far away something is.
Andrew	From sight to sound. Oh, I want one. That's right. Who makes one? Uh, they're rare. They're rare. Um. Are they unobtainium rare?
Everett	Eh, maybe not quite unobtainium, but, but certainly rare. Uh, so when you see the flash of lightning, you start the chronograph. When you hear the rumble of thunder, you stop. The chronograph hand will be pointing at your distance. By the way. Thank you. Time and time. Uh, the chronograph hand will be pointing your distance from the storm in either miles or kilometers, depending on the watch. Oh, I want the gradations on the dollar based on the understanding that sound travels at this at a fixed rate point four meters, uh, per second. Pretty cool, huh?
Andrew	That might be the coolest thing we've talked about, including time travel.
Everett	Right. And of course, the third most common, I think, the pulsometer scale. This is maybe slightly more common than a telemeter scale. I think it's significantly more common. Very unusual, but popular with doctors because it's practically a necessary function for measuring heartbeat pulse. It will easily count how many heartbeats there are in a minute. Um, works similar to attack meter. Um, it's a, it's a bit less, uh, it's a bit less, I think, mathematical in the way it works. Um, but, but pretty significant too, I think if you want that sort of thing.
Unknown	Yeah.
Everett	So you take the heartbeat, uh, to take the heartbeat, you start it, you count the beats. until the number you reach, until you reach the number for which the scale is calibrated. So it's usually 15 or 30. Then check the chronograph hand and you'll be able to tell the heart rate. So you count 15 beats, you click it, and it'll tell you what the heart rate is.
Andrew	Which is, yeah, way easier than like feeling and then counting to six and also like looking at your watch or counting.
Everett	Yeah, I think functionally it's the same thing, but it's easier. It just does the work for you.
Andrew	I want that. I need things to do the work for me. I need a slide rule alarm clock.
Everett	So those are your tachometers, your telemeters and your postometers.
Andrew	Yeah. So those are like kind of oddity chronograph sub dials. What we've also got is usually tenths of a second, minutes, hours. In some cases we've got a running seconds. Sometimes we've got a 24 hour scale, which really bums me out. It's really common in Mecca courts to have a, have a, I mean a 24 hour sub dial. Like, can't you do something else?
Everett	Right. What do I need this for?
Andrew	Just, just get rid of it. I like to dial to sub dial chronographs anyway. Um, Oh, AKA buy compacts. Yes. I hope that was my segue. I'm sorry I stole your segue. Fucker. Bicompax. And I think I'm even going to make an argument that Mekakorts that have just a 24-hour subdial are really bicompax. Practically speaking. Practically speaking they're bicompax when design-wise they're tricompax. The compax is a reference to the number of subdials displayed and utilized by the watch.
Everett	I'm not going to disagree with you yet. but I will eventually keep going.
Andrew	That's my explanation. That's the difference. There's, there's some movement differences, some important differences in the movement, how they're used. Oftentimes in a tri-compax, you're going to get a 24 hour movement or a 24 hour indicator. Often, yes. Or a date or, or some kind of like kind of a cop out.
Everett	Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I think that's right. I think that's right. And, and, you know, for instance, on the Speedmaster, it's a 12, it's a 12 hour, right? Yeah. Um, you, you've got, well, controversially the Speedmaster pro you've got running seconds in the left sub dial minutes in the right sub dial, and then hours, a 12 hour on your six o'clock and, and then the reduced the three and six are reversed. Um, but, but, okay. So we've got bi-compacts and tri-compacts. Most bicompacts, you've got three and nine or nine and three, I guess as it were. And in most tricompacts, you're looking at a three, six, nine, three, six, nine. Um, with that said, I think these are all bastardizations because the term tricompacts actually originates with universal Geneva, Geneva, uh, universal Geneva.
Andrew	We have an anchor, a news anchor, locally, whose name is spelled Genevieve, and says her name, Genevieve. Continue.
Everett	Genevieve. In, I think, 1936, Universal Geneve introduces their Tricompax watch. Tricompax not referring to the 369 chronograph. but to the three complications, which was a calendar, I believe they were annual calendars, and a moon phase, both appearing at 12, and then a chronograph with your standard three register chronograph at three, six, and nine. So the tricompax refers not to the sub-dial layout, but to the amount of complications in the watch. And it is really, really a wonderful marvel of watchmaking. So it feels a little, having learned today this history, I feel a little chagrin to be calling these 369 chronographs tricompacts because they are not meaningfully a tricompacts watch. Although that is colloquially accepted as the tricompacts layout.
Andrew	We do a lot of terrible things in the watch world now that shit all over the giants that got us to where we are. Fossil.
Everett	Continue. That's it. So when we talk about a tricompax layout, really, you'll make me happy if you think about it this way from here on out. really we're talking about the layout that was used in the famous universal geneve tricompax 3 complication watch as opposed to the three registers at 369 since we're there can we talk about a moon phase yeah please i don't like moon phases yeah because they're dumb well yeah they're gorgeous they can be gorgeous they can be they're often not they're
Andrew	They're not for me. And they're, I think, overdone by people who shouldn't be doing them. That being said, a moon phase is... Andrew, what is a moon phase? A 29 and a half day phase... Ish. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. It's pretty accurate. Once it's set, it aligns with the moon. Clear skies available as it would be seen, but on your watch, it's a lunar calendar without the months, but it's a representation of the phase of the moon as it should be. Should you could see the moon new quarter half full all the way and it's It's usually on a wheel, so it rotates around to be visible the way that it should be visible.
Unknown	Yeah.
Andrew	It's fascinating. It should be beautiful.
Everett	They often are.
Andrew	And they often aren't. It has no place on a watch. Maybe like a Suunto.
Everett	Oh, come on. Come on.
Andrew	It is
Unknown	Yeah, come on.
Andrew	It is a rainbow Daytona complication.
Everett	It is because I can complication and this is all because I can't complicate and they're all of the complications are because I can't. It's not including your three fucking hands.
Andrew	It's not. No, I agree. We only need one. We need not to show people people. How are you going to tell time? It's not to shit on you if you like. Would you ever know what time it is? But I I think it's a weird Kind of silly, but also like a little bit whimsical and fun. Like I feel like Timex should really be capitalizing on moon phases in their automatic line. Because it's kind of fun. It's kind of throwback. It's just, yeah, it's weird. They're not for me. I don't understand them and I functionally understand how they work. I don't get the appeal though. You know what I want? I want a watch. Kind of big. I want a moon phase that shows a butt.
Everett	Just a fairly big, a fairly big moon phase with a sub dial that has an hour hand. Ooh, I could get with that. A single handed sub dial with a big sort of centrally located moon phase. Because it's the most ridiculous watch on the face of the earth.
Andrew	Like a top half moon phase and like a snap hour.
Unknown	Yeah.
Andrew	Digital but not LCD, like a numeral snap hour.
Everett	Like a beaver skin top hat. Just. Yeah. Silly.
Andrew	Nah, I'm down with that. Okay. That's a dress watch right there.
Everett	Okay, so moon phases. Check. Yeah. Check. What about a power reserve, Andrew?
Andrew	Power reserve, I think is a silly sub-dial for an automatic watch or mechanical watch even.
Unknown	You're, you're a little critical today.
Andrew	I think it is. If it's on an automatic watch, you're wearing it. You're continually, you are the power source. You're powering it. I'm the power. Maybe a mechanical. I can see like, Oh, I should wind my watch or I'm going to, you know, be done at noon today. Here's where it's cool. There are some quartz watches with power reserve indicators.
Everett	That is cool.
Andrew	I really, really like that because the last thing you want to do is go grab your grab and go put it on three hours later. Nothing has changed.
Everett	Is it a real time like milliamp hour measurement or is it?
Andrew	I don't know the accuracy and I think it probably really varies by company. But if it can even get me like 75, 50, 25, at 25 you can just do a battery replacement. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Now, sometimes they're really well executed. I think Grand Seiko does a really good job with their execution because they're really, really subtle. But when you look for it, it's there. There's some other executions of it that it looks like a three o'clock
Everett	No, I guess I think I hear what you were saying. You're saying in a, in a, in a hand wind that's practical, but yeah, yeah, no. And, and in an automatic list. So I, I, I'm picking up what you're putting down.
Andrew	Yeah. Yeah. It's like a running seconds hand. I fucking know it's running.
Everett	Sure. I'm wearing it. Yeah. I think also on maybe a Connecticut could be valuable, right?
Andrew	Yeah. Connecticut be really valuable.
Everett	And, and because a kinetic will take a dump on you if you let it wind down.
Andrew	Yes. And, and an eco drive at the, the power reserve indicators built in to your secondhand movement.
Unknown	Sure.
Andrew	So for those of you with an eco drive and you're like, why is it only ticking every five seconds? Yeah. Put it in your window instead of a watch box or wear it. Um, there's some value to power reserve indicators when you get into electronic movements. Yeah. Cause you know, like, especially when you said with kinetic watches that you let it power down, it's, you're probably gonna end up replacing it.
Everett	Well, we gotta get moving because we're with chiefs, man. How does this happen? 43 minutes. We've got a bunch of stuff on our list to us. Okay. Real quick. Go back to, we're going to go back to compacts for a second. Compacts. Uh, and this, this is not actually a compacts, uh, although I've heard it revert to as the Valjoux compacts. Uh, I don't think anyone really says those, but the Valjoux layout, unlike the three, six, nine, 12, three, six, uh, Valjoux is a 12, nine, six, or a six, nine, 12. Anyway, where you're, where you're the, here it is yeah here it is so 7750 is well known for having all of the sub dials on the left so if you hear Valjoux compacts or Valjoux layout that is a three sub register chronograph everything lined up to the left so this is interesting because I've heard some arguments people you know people have opinions like buttholes people got them opinions and people feel strongly about sub that some people I don't Some people feel strongly so I've heard the argument that the three six nine or the tri compacts layout is better because it's symmetrical But then I heard another argument that I kind of liked the devalue Layout is actually more symmetrical because Your sub dial layout balances your pushers who and your crown and date window yeah Super interesting. Also, it allows the date window to appear and not be squashed in a four or whatever.
Andrew	I've seen sub dials that cut out the number six numeral and also have a six o'clock date window.
Everett	I hate that. So those are all of our those. I mean, that is not every possible iteration, but those are the big ones.
Andrew	Also, you know, because there's also the thirties, right? There's the there's a symmetrical triangle at what, like, you know, 10, two and six.
Everett	Yeah, that's right. And that's like a quartz, a common quartz layer, the 10, two and six. Um, and also you've got watches like the citizen 8110, um, or 8100. Well, the 8110 in particular appears to be a three register chronograph, but it's actually a two register chronograph. Typically that the six o'clock sub dial is for day date.
Andrew	Yep. Okay. We've also got day and date sub-dials.
Unknown	Yeah.
Everett	So let's move right along because calendar functions, date, day, date, calendar functions are just as various as sub-dial complications. You think you know, but watch turns out you don't at all.
Andrew	Yeah. Can I make an argument that at least a date window is a sub-dial?
Everett	Uh, yeah. I mean, typically it's an aperture. Um, Not always, but typically when we talk about a digital date, it's either one or two apertures that track wheels that show you a portion of a turning wheel to indicate the date. So some of those are two wheels. as we talked about in our digital watch episode, the first digital watches were actually not electronic, but rather apertures, which showed you portions of wheels to line up with tiny dials, tiny dials, tiny dials in my beer. So to start date complications, date complications, the most ubiquitous complication, the most common, perhaps the day complication.
Andrew	I think a second hand is the most common complication, but you know, continue.
Everett	The first sort of automatic date complication introduced by Rolex, Hans Wildorf famously, uh, was a digital date and it was a wheel that turned underneath the dial. And just as we're describing showed a digital date, sometimes in there or sometime in the early 20th century, the third, third doesn't matter. Um, but also, We've got another style of date complication that even goes back further, which is the pointer date. Yep.
Andrew	I'm glad we talked about this.
Everett	You're glad we're talking about it. Yep. All right. Be happy. Let's talk about it.
Andrew	Pointer date. Very much like a 24 hour sub dial.
Everett	Oftentimes even confused for that.
Andrew	Yeah.
Everett	At first glance.
Andrew	Cycles with each date. And reasonably could be confused because it runs with the time of your watch from day to day around your 31 day wheel. You have to adjust it every month.
Everett	At the end of February? At the end of April?
Andrew	Every month.
Everett	Okay. All right.
Andrew	Every month. Not every month. No, because some months you go from 31 to 1, but every other month you don't. So December, January, your favorite two months to wear that watch.
Everett	Do you do the thing where you line your knuckles up? January, February, March, April, May. I just use one hand though. July, August. I just use one hand. I line them up because then I can remember where the July, August is.
Andrew	You don't have 12 knuckles.
Everett	Yeah, but you just keep going. You just go down the line. Long month, short month, long month, short month, long month, short month, long month, long month, short month, long month.
Andrew	It's this If you're a two-hand month counter, how do you count? Did you just like use your eye? Yeah.
Everett	Wow. Yeah. You got to switch hands in the middle. So we've got dates. We've got both digital and pointers. We've also got the day-date complication. You're going to be amazed. There are watches that will tell you both the date and the day of the week.
Andrew	and in different variations.
Everett	There is a very famous watch referred to as the President, aka the Day-Date, that famously does this, as well as watches like the Hamilton Khaki King. Yep. Every single Seiko 5 that has ever been created. Yep. These are simply a second aperture, sometimes the same aperture, which will, in addition to showing you the date, show you the day of the week. Sometimes in a language you can read and other times in a language you can read less well.
Andrew	I want to get a couple of Arabic Seiko fives. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And a Kanji Seiko five too. But we don't stop here.
Everett	No, we have more to cover because there's also what I like to call the triple calendar. And the reason I like to call that is because it's what it's called.
Andrew	We don't usually like proper terminology here, but with a triple calendar, there is no choice. You can't fuck that up.
Everett	In this instance, in addition to showing you the date and the day, it will show you the month.
Andrew	That seems excessive.
Everett	Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Well, uh, I mean it is.
Andrew	I'd like, I think I would like a day date with the month at the 12 o'clock banner. And then my day month at the three o'clock. I can dig that. I think I would like that. Excessive as it may be.
Everett	So you start to get into sort of aesthetically enigmatic, esoteric perhaps.
Andrew	Or perhaps just a month watch instead of like a single hand 24 hour, just a one revolution per year watch.
Everett	Now a triple calendar, a triple calendar is going to tie the month to those 31 days. So it will change over automatically, but in a triple calendar, it is not going to account for 30 day months, much like a pointer date or a standard date function. You are going to have to manually advance that. Um, but some smart people have figured out that if you just change it up, probably a simple screw here and gear there, You can make what we know as an annual calendar, which gets it right every day. An annual calendar will for four years, for, for almost, almost, but not quite four years. Now your calendar, because what it does is it factors in your February 28 days, your April 30 days, your June 30 days, et cetera, and we'll change your month over at the appropriate interval. It gets hung up every four years though.
Andrew	Weird. What about a perpetual calendar?
Everett	In comes the perpetual calendar sorcery, which not only accounts for all these other things and, and, and, and it will not surprise you. You may already be suspecting. But as we introduce these additional levels of ability to count odd numbers, we go up in terms of complexity of movement, repair costs, and just... Cost. Cost.
Andrew	Yeah. Perpetual calendars are damn near unobtainium.
Everett	They are. They are. But pretty useful if you want to have a watch and never change the date and you're only going to wear that watch.
Andrew	Yeah.
Everett	Kind of a useful function.
Andrew	Yeah, because it only works if it stays wound. That power reserve indicator goes to zero. You've lost your perpetual calendar.
Everett	That's right. Well, more than that, though, I mean, it can still die and you advance the date and it'll still be on. It'll still be tracking your four year interval, so.
Andrew	Yeah, but you still have to advance it. You lose the convenience. None of these. None of these require the Bach talk dance.
Everett	That's right. None of them are. Well, I don't believe so, but none of them will track leap seconds. Yeah. Unless you're digital satellite connected. Yeah. Radio connected. None of these are going to, because leap seconds aren't fixed.
Andrew	Or daylight saving time for those of us still observing that. That's right.
Everett	They're not going to track that. They're not going to track that. I do understand that all three Washington, Oregon, and California have independently voted to get rid of daylight savings time.
Andrew	Yeah. And it has to go before the U S Senate to be approved. And they're busy.
Everett	It does seem that way.
Andrew	Not doing things, but they busy.
Everett	So we're close, Andrew.
Andrew	We're so close. Can we talk about just a couple more?
Everett	Please. I'd love it if we did.
Andrew	What I want to talk about is my favorite sub dial of all time. And it rides. That was loud. Rides on the Casio world timer. Oh. It's the time zone sub-dial. It is a world map with a darkened area that indicates which time zone you are viewing on said world map. Amazing. That's the best sub-dial there is because I take the position that segmentation of a digital watch dial are sub-dials. I also take the position that an open heart is a sub-dial, though it displays not
Everett	Yeah, fucking open heart.
Andrew	Which would make a tourbillon also a sub-dial displaying nothing but coolness.
Everett	Tourbillons are cool. They are cool. So yeah, we didn't talk about tourbillons. We didn't talk about minute repeaters because I'm realistically never going to have one, but maybe we can talk about a jump power.
Andrew	Oh yeah, we got to talk about a jump power.
Everett	We can talk about a jump power. So a jump power, most commonly found in a single handed, sometimes a two handed, Most commonly found in a single-handed watch.
Andrew	Digital analogs also. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Not anodigy, to be really clear. When I'm talking about digital analogs, I'm talking about like 1900s or 1700s watches that display two digital numbers, not on a screen, flaps of the number that on the change of the hour, like an old style railway sign,
Everett	So you're there numbers, you get a centrally located, you get a centrally located minutes hand always, sometimes display. Yeah. Yeah. And then you also get a digital register sometimes at 12, sometimes at three, uh, often at 12 that will at the end of the hour jump, hence the name jump power. It's a clicking. It is not a slow rotation, but rather a jump. Dr. Jones.
Andrew	Dr. Jones.
Everett	So at one 59 59 click watch or watch our changes. It is now two zero zero.
Andrew	I think it's Dr. Jones. He does all the kind of novel, Dr. Jones. It can't be. I'm having Indiana Jones on the mind. Somebody made the argument on Buzzfeed that Indiana Jones played no role in, uh, last crusade because the Nazis would have eventually gotten to the arc anyway and killed themselves. But they wouldn't have because they only had one half of the of the idol thing.
Everett	Two questions. Continue. One, why are you reading BuzzFeed? And two, why the fuck are you reading BuzzFeed?
Andrew	Well, every once in a while I see interesting articles on like something I'm like, that's intriguing. Like today I saw an article that was like these celebrities who went to good colleges. And I was like, well, I mean, I'm interested.
Everett	I will say the BuzzFeed News has some fantastic writers. And some of their long-form stuff is really good. But their day-to-day content is straight idiocracy contributing to the downfall of American society.
Andrew	Yeah, but then I scroll through the articles and it was an article of 16 plot holes that once you're aware of, you'll never enjoy the movie again.
Everett	Basically saying, we're just along for the ride with Indy. as the Nazis inevitably discover the Ark, open it up and die a terrible, grisly, ghoul-filled death.
Andrew	It's not Last Crusade. It was Raiders. Or no.
Everett	Raiders. Yes. I'm sorry. Raiders of the Lost Ark.
Andrew	Yeah. And that's just incorrect. They didn't have the other side. Like, yeah, he burned his hand, but they didn't know that on the other side it said you had to reduce the height. I was deeply offended by it. I'm an Indiana Jones guy for those of you unaware. Uh, so if you try to point out plot holes to me, I've considered them and we'll defeat you.
Everett	Yeah. Andrew is a modern day Indiana Jones minus all the cool things about Indiana Jones, the archeology, the, the sheepishly handsome smile, that, that sexy chin scar, the hair, the intelligence.
Unknown	Yeah.
Everett	uh, the irresistibility to women. But other than that, I'm just, I'm right there.
Andrew	That's right. Everyone knows that about me. I climb out windows all the time. I have a whip.
Everett	You also don't have a whip. You fucking liar. Andrew, you've put running seconds on the list here and I'm going to give you an opportunity to justify your, your inclusion of that by way of your description of running seconds, running seconds in a chronograph.
Andrew	say a racing chronograph for your in in in the example of an ssb03 one and you already put the speedy back on but i think the speedy has strawberry guava yeah those are all so good um you'll notice when you look at a ssb03 one at a 40 and 40 and 20 chrono yep your second hand doesn't move it just stays there stuck at 12 doing nothing purgatory Yeah. That's because that's your timing secondhand. Your running seconds exist elsewhere on the watch.
Everett	If the maker of the watch and or movement is practically minded, that is the case. Although it is not always the case.
Andrew	Not always the case. So in the 40 and 20 chronograph example, the six o'clock sub dial is your live seconds.
Everett	Running seconds.
Andrew	Your running seconds. And that's tracking the seconds as they pass independent of your chronograph. Because some people just need to look down and do a five second time without, or some people just like to see running seconds. But that's where your second hand lives on this particular Tricompax chronograph.
Everett	In the Speedy Pro it's at nine? Yeah. Speedy Reduced it's at three? Yours is at six? Six. Interesting. It lives everywhere. It lives. Running seconds live wherever you may be.
Andrew	Yeah. So that your timing function is the most legible runnings, the most legible seconds hand on your watch. Cause it'd be kind of hard to read that small second sub dial.
Everett	I think you have adequately justified a running seconds inclusion on the list. Well done. Well done.
Andrew	So when you see a chronograph That indicates it has running seconds. Nope. That's not what I was looking for. Fuck off. That's the one. Not you, the listener, but you, Everett. Fuck right off and return to your house.
Everett	That's what running seconds is. I think we've done it. I think this is all the things about watches that anybody might ever need to know.
Unknown	Yeah.
Everett	You can tell us what watch terms, what things on your dial we have forgotten. You can do so by way of email. to two broke watchtops dot info dot what is there? I always forget. Gov. No, send us a DM. If we forgot your favorite thing that shows up on a watch dial, let us know and we'll talk about it.
Andrew	Can I tell you my favorite chronograph?
Everett	Sure. It's the Monaco. Oh yeah, that's a good one. I want one. Andrew, Andrew, Andrew, Andrew. Other things. What do you got?
Andrew	You know why I want one? Crown left, pushers right.
Unknown	I love them.
Everett	Are you going to make me say it again?
Unknown	Yeah.
Everett	Other things. What do you got?
Andrew	I have another thing. I have been familiar with this company for some time. Excuse me, I'm parched. I've been familiar with this company for some time, and I've had their products in my cart a bunch, and just have never pulled the trigger. Sure. It's a company called Giga Golf. Giga Golf. G-I-G-A-Golf.com.
Everett	It's their website. That's like a lot of golfs.
Andrew	Yeah, it's a gig of golf. Gig of golfs. Gig isn't very much though.
Everett	I don't know. I mean, it's more than a mega.
Andrew	Yeah, but less than a terra. Okay. So Giga Golf is a golf club and accessory manufacturer focusing on golf club manufacturer. They use, they do other shit. They do hats and bags and all other manner of other shit. Their bread and butter is golf clubs. They use other people's no longer patented, year old, two year old research, and are basically producing one to two year old technology golf clubs.
Everett	Oftentimes in designs that are going to look like your name, just like what you think they ought to look like. That's right. Gigagolf is the watch equivalent of perhaps Steinhardt or Alpha, or even perhaps Heimdallr.
Andrew	Yeah. They're making a... Sharky. They're making it closer to the original product. They're an homage golf brand. They're an homage golf brand. But you're not getting, you're still getting 316L steel. Yes. And in golf club world, that's sort of the, the difference, right? Like the, the movement, the Swiss movement and the, I mean, these are assembled in the United States, so. Yeah, I think they say that, right? Yeah, they're built in the U.S. They're built in the U.S.
Everett	So manufactured in China, obviously, or overseas in any event, probably in the same factory that those golf clubs were originally manufactured for Taylor made and perhaps in the same factory that Sharkey manufactures its cases.
Andrew	You know, I don't know. I'll ask to do a tour of the factory. I'll stay. I'll pose as OSHA.
Everett	Yeah. So so idea being. You've maybe procured a set of homage golf clubs.
Andrew	I've procured a set of homage golf clubs. And here's the reason I'm ready to recommend to you this company without even having yet received my clubs. I made an error when I was placing my order. Oh. I ordered from my phone. And when I put my shipping and billing information in, it auto-populated. And you know when you order something and it gives you two lines for a street address?
Unknown	Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Andrew	It filled my current address in line one and my old address in line two.
Everett	Oh man. Fucking technology.
Andrew	Can I hit submit? Because I'm real confident in my phone's auto-fill capabilities. And I'm in my order confirmation. Here's your code. You've ordered it and we've taken your money. And I'm like, Oh, I wonder where they're going to send my golf clubs.
Everett	They've got two choices.
Andrew	Yeah. Flip a coin. I call them.
Everett	Last night. 1-800-KidGooGolf.com.
Andrew	Yep. An outgoing voicemail message. We're open from these hours. It's not a robot either. It's a dude. You can hear him sigh. We're, we're open from these hours. And if you'd like to leave a message, you can. I was like, I'm not gonna leave a message. I want to talk to a dude or a people. I want to talk to a people. Yeah. Yeah. I call back this morning. I call and the guy's like, Oh yeah, I got you. No hold time answered. Like ring, ring, ring answer. And I was like, well, that's crazy.
Everett	It's like just a dude at a desk in a warehouse.
Andrew	Yeah. I was like, Oh wow. And I explained the issue. He's like, what was your order number? I gave it to him. He's like, Oh, that's weird. You got two addresses. I was like, yeah, as I stated, that's a problem. I just want to tell you where to send my shit. Yeah. And I fix it. And he's like, Oh, okay, let me, I'll just email the shipping guy real quick. Cool. Okay, cool. It's fixed. Anything else? I was like, what else can I need? No, the problem is solved. Thanks, man. I appreciate it. An hour later, I get an email from this guy. He's like, Hey dude, they just finished building your clubs. Cause I, I, so I bought, they have certified pre-owned clubs. They have a 30 day guarantee. You get to use these clubs for a month. You don't like them. You send them back and they send you your money back. If you don't like them, they factory refinish those clubs and they list them in their certified pre-owned sales. So I actually went a tier up from the clubs I intended to buy, got two more clubs than I intended to buy, and spent 10 less dollars. Killer deal. Here's the other thing about Gigagolf. They have an e-fitting measurement thing, right? Because one of the issues that a lot of people have with just standardized clubs is they don't actually fit you.
Unknown	Yeah.
Andrew	Because it's just, right? It's small, medium, large for golf clubs.
Everett	There's no 31 thirties. Even with a company like Ping that has different lofts, right? Or different lie angle, lie angles. Yeah. You still have to know. Yeah. You have to know. You have to know if I'm going to wear Indra, I'm a green or I'm a black.
Andrew	Exactly. So they give you their measurement guide and they say, take these measurements. If you measure this, this is what you need. I found certified pre-owns for the exact measurements that I needed. That's great. which was awesome. So I got a tear up and spent less money for more clubs.
Everett	I gotta imagine you're a standard lie.
Andrew	I'm a minus one. You're a minus one. I'm a minus 0.25 height and a minus one lie. I guess I have weird shaped arms, which isn't shocking and weird shaped.
Everett	Maybe a little bit long. Yeah. Yeah. If you're a minus 0.25 and a minus one, maybe it's the opposite. Maybe it's, I'm a little short.
Andrew	I got little arms and a little guy. You're a Tyrannosaurus. I'm not tall. Yeah. Uh, we saw a picture of Mike and Will today and They are huge. Yeah.
Everett	Both of those guys are big.
Andrew	They're so tall.
Everett	Yeah. Yeah. I have a feeling when we meet them, they're just going to feel like shrimpy little guys.
Andrew	And you shouldn't cause you're like five 11. Yeah. Five 11 and a half. I'm five foot nine. I'm dead nuts. 69 inches tall. That's a point of pride for me. Cause only a degenerate like me would be 69 inches tall. So that all being said, if you're in the market for new and so, okay, I got nine golf clubs.
Everett	Let's talk about what you got because it's really incredible.
Andrew	I got nine golf clubs. I got four to nine pitching wedge, a wedge sandwich, no law bridge. No. Cause I already have a lob. Okay. I have a call. I have a Callaway lob that I bought independently of a driver. I bought it.
Everett	So you got the 52 56 and uh, and probably a 48 for your pitching wedges, my guess. Yeah, probably. Yeah.
Andrew	Because I mean there's, there's what, like three degrees of difference in your pitching wedge options. Nine irons, two fairway, a three and a five, 300 bucks.
Everett	It's fantastic.
Andrew	They're building two of my clubs. Wait, two hybrids?
Unknown	Yeah. What, what, what's the hybrid? Three and a five. That's great.
Andrew	300 bucks. It's 319, including two day shipping. Cause I'm going to a buddy games event next week and I wanted my golf clubs to arrive before buddy games. He emails me today. Hey dude, we're going to get in the mail tomorrow. So I will probably get my clubs on Tuesday. I hope. Or I'm going to leave by myself and late on Wednesday and hopefully I'll catch the last ferry to Anderson Island.
Everett	Yeah. By contrast, by contrast, my wedges, which were used, cost just a little bit more than that. So for three wedges, just a little bit more than that. My three wood and five wood also used cost half again that much. Yep. My driver alone cost that much. Yep. Uh, my irons cost significantly more than that. Yep. My putter costs almost exactly the same amount as your entire set.
Unknown	Yeah.
Everett	Yeah.
Andrew	So you don't get a putter, you don't get a driver, but their drivers range between 130 and $200. All titanium, all last year's designs in their, in their own thing. I didn't buy a driver cause the driver I have, I'm pleased with. Yeah.
Everett	And you shouldn't buy a giga golf driver.
Andrew	No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, and not worry about, cause my clubs are old. And when they were manufactured, they were not good clubs to begin with. So some of my play can be attributed to just shitty stuff. I don't know how they were cared for before me and they weren't good to start with. So if you're like me and you're looking to up your game a little bit, you're golfing, you're willing to drop a little bit of money, but you're not ready to go like Mizuno ping, take your pick on unnamed brand. on the back of your irons, I think giga golf's a really good answer. You can get shit that's fit, fitted mostly to you, right? Cause there's still some human error there. You're not going to get, you know, laser measured precision, Tiger Woods measured to you shit. Cause that's unobtainium. You're going to get way closer to your body style than off the shelf. You're going to get way cheaper than he would spend off the shelf. And you're going to get a dude who answers the phone when you fucking call.
Everett	Yeah. Yeah, it's fantastic.
Andrew	I haven't even got these clubs and I'm, I'm sold on this company 30 day guarantee and you get to play with them on those 30 days. It's not like shoes where you can return them. If you have the receipt and they're unworn, they want you to go play with those clubs and prove that you don't like them. Yeah. I'm, I like that policy a lot.
Everett	It's great.
Andrew	So check out giga golf. If you're in the market for new clubs on the cheap and they have a certified pre-owned section, which are people who sent their clubs back inside that 30 day window.
Everett	You're going to have to give us an update after we go and play a few rounds.
Andrew	Yeah, I'm going to play a few rounds. We'll circle back to this as another thing.
Everett	Did I tell you with my USGA membership this year, I got like two for ones at like six different Oregon courses and they're all phenomenal and we need to go.
Andrew	I'll take time off for that. I have very little time off because I had to use a lot.
Everett	I'll take time off for that. Two for ones at the OGA course up in Albany. You and I.
Andrew	That's a nice course. I've driven by it a lot.
Everett	Um, I've got another thing.
Andrew	Do me mayor of East town, the mayor, like M A R E M A R E. Her name is mayor. Ooh. Oh, I was thinking like the horse.
Everett	You're doing a fantastic, uh, reverse doggy, uh, impersonation here.
Andrew	I'm good at it. That's my specialty.
Everett	Mayor of East town on HBO. If you have not been under a rock, Uh, you will have at least seen this referred to in passing on some sort of, uh, news or, or, uh, entertainment website. Uh, it's a new show as of this year on HBO. It's still, it's still running. I think that the finale is the, has not, has yet to be released. Um, but we're almost through the season and it is, it is ab-so-lutely phenomenal. Cate Blanchett is so good.
Andrew	Cate Blanchett is... Man, you did it. You fell for it. It's Cate Winslet.
Everett	Oh, Jesus, man. Cate Winslet is... Why would you do that to me?
Andrew	You see, you make me look like a dick. That's my thing, is I miss... I call celebrities by the wrong name all the time.
Everett	Cate Winslet is fantastic, you guys. Look, and this is... Full frontal? Question? No. This is not your pretty diva, Cate Winslet. She's playing kind of a grizzled, detective in a small town in Pennsylvania. She is perfect. She's perfect. The whole cast is great. The acting is phenomenal. The action is really good. The people, the personalities, you like them all, or at least I should say I like them all. Guy Pearce is in it. Who doesn't like Guy Pearce? Evan Peters of American Horror Story fame is in it and he's great. Gene Smart's in it. Totally fantastic. It's just really, really, really good. Some of the actors are people that you'll know, but you'll be like, where do I know them from? I love that. Yeah. And it's just, it's just good. The character development is good. The people, I mean, by and large, there's some characters that are a little ridiculous, a little over the top. by and large, all of the characters are like, I get this person. I get why they're doing the thing they're doing in this show right now. Um, it gets a little yucky. It gets a little yucky. Like scribe. I'd rather not. I recommend it. It's totally worth your time. Really, really entertaining. High, high, high entertainment value. And just in terms of production, right? We talk about, you know, the good shows. This is one of the good ones. Really good. I like it. And that's all I got, man. I would recommend at this point, if you have anything else, you say it, Andrew.
Andrew	I'm going to say in the middle of the outro.
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