The Poor Man's Explorer (Revisited)

Published on Thu, 06 May 2021 08:20:43 -0700

Synopsis

This podcast episode covers recommendations for affordable alternatives to the iconic Rolex Explorer watch. The hosts discuss various budget-friendly options from different brands that capture the spirit and style of the Explorer, while providing great value for money. They emphasize that the true essence of the Explorer lies in its story and legacy rather than just its design elements. The conversation also touches on topics like audio levels, golf, kayak storage solutions, and an upcoming watch release.

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Everett	Hello fellow watch lovers, nerds, enthusiasts, or however you identify. You're listening to 40 in 20 the watch clicker podcast with your host Andrew and my good friend Everett. Here we talk about watches, food, drinks, life, and other things we like. Everett, how are you?
Andrew	Hi. Hi. Hi.
Everett	I'm doing really well, man. How are you? Still a little COVID-y, you know, obviously not contagious. I had a You gotta put the Marlboros down. Yeah, I had a real backslide today. I woke up real achy with a monster headache. Way worse cough than I've had in the past few days. Really scratchy throat again. This thing is just a, it's a mean, mean virus.
Andrew	Yeah, I've heard that about it. Yeah. I've heard that it's like a, like actually a pandemic even. Yeah, I've heard that too. Well, I'm sorry to hear that. You do seem like you're not as good as the last time I saw you.
Everett	I'm not. My energy is still there, which is what makes it weird. But yeah, just still fighting stupid symptoms of this thing.
Unknown	I'm sorry to hear that.
Everett	Plugging away. Plugging away.
Andrew	I'm doing okay. Yeah. Tell me more. There's nothing. There's nothing extraordinary. That's shocking. It's just, it's just normal. That sounds about right. It's just normal. Uh, quick, quick, uh, quick comment for you at home. Listen up. We've had some comments recently that are recording volumes are too quiet.
Everett	We'll turn your volume up. Okay, look, look here, you guys.
Andrew	Sorry for yelling in your ears. So there is, um, some realities about recording volumes. Um, the type of microphone you use this, you know, the setup you have, everything sort of dictates recording volumes. I am here to tell you, I'm here to promise you that you're here to host a podcast. Our, our recording levels are set to be to optimize based on the equipment we have to optimize the experience you have. So I have a suggestion for you. If you're listening and you're thinking, gosh, these guys are kind of quiet. I want you to reach out with your right hand, touch that knob and turn it a little bit to the right. Okay. I don't really care. if we're as loud as other podcasts. I've, you know, I've listened, you know, I get these comments occasionally and I'm like, Oh, well, yeah, I'm listening. Other podcasts are louder. I promise you, I have done things to increase our levels. We've got some choices. I can increase the gain on our mixing board, but then we get clipping. I can use a digital booster, like an amplification in post. but then we have other problems in terms of the audio. This is the level based on our equipment that I think you get the best experience. You will, you may have to turn this up relative to some other podcasts. And, and frankly, I don't think we're, we're way out in the extremes. So, so look, just turn it up a little bit. You guys, I promise you, we have looked into this. We, this stuff is deliberate. I, what I have done, is I have ordered a, um, a device used to increase the gain from our microphones.
Everett	Um, and so in a couple of weeks we'll be screaming in your ears.
Andrew	I've ordered that. I've paid for it. I got a call from Sweetwater this week actually. And they said, we think we're going to have these in stock in August. Please call me if you want to cancel your order. So Look, I don't actually think there's a problem. And if you disagree with me, let me know. If you're an audio engineer and you know more about this than me, feel free to give me a holler because I admit I have no professional training in equipment, in recording, in editing.
Everett	And we exist by the goodwill of our listeners.
Andrew	That's right. That's right. Totally. um feel free to hit me up if you've got some ideas um at this point i feel really confident that we're providing you the best product that we can even if it's a little bit less different boomy than some of these other podcasts we're not nikki minaj though we're not bangers that's true we're not gonna be banging that's true we could be but you know you don't want to see that I don't even know what you're talking about anymore.
Everett	Whoever does.
Andrew	So audio, you know, I should have given them like, Hey, I'm going to talk about audio. Just skip ahead.
Everett	People, we talk, we've, we've gone way longer than this talking about way less relevant things.
Andrew	That's, that's nonsense, but I don't mind talking about it at all. Sweet. Sweet. Are we going to talk about watches? We're going to dive right into it. It seems. Why don't we? Okay, this is five minutes. That's a good time to dive into it to some people.
Everett	I find the sweet spot to be about 17.
Andrew	Yeah, I'm sure everyone at home agrees. So we are today. We're talking about a watch a special watch. We're talking about the Rolex Explorer and for people like us for people like us for poor man's. Yeah, Not porn man, poor man. So we're revisiting a topic previously discussed. And we're gonna talk about the poor man's Explorer. Poor man's. And when we say Explorer, we need to clarify, right? We're talking about the 1989 Rolex 14270. Really, that's what we're talking about. There are other watches that are being... We're talking about the Explorer I. Explorer I, but really the 14270, right? The modern, really the first modern Rolex, I think in many ways. I think one of Rolex's most boring watches, but their best.
Unknown	But maybe their best.
Andrew	Yeah. So how can I, short of dropping 75 to 13 grand,
Everett	I've got a couple of ideas.
Andrew	Can we get one thing out of the way?
Everett	Prostitution is not an answer.
Andrew	Can we get one thing out of the way? Yeah, I suppose. We are not going to be talking about homages today. Obviously. And when I say homages, all the watches we're talking about today are homages, but what we mean are really copies with a different logo. I think there's one watch we're going to bring up today that kind of fits into that category. It's a little too close to home. We'll talk about it briefly because it's still a fantastic value. But we're talking about watches that are their own watch because there's lots, right? There's like Armita A6. I mean, there's a ton of Explorer One homages. That's not what you're here for. Go talk to, I don't know, Joey from Just One More Watch or something. I don't know who reveals these things.
Everett	Yeah, who knows. Google Rolex homage and you'll find one. Yeah, that's right. That's not what we're doing. We're talking about watches today with their own merits. They've taken design cues. Many of them have taken design cues from the Explorer, but I take issue even with saying they took design cues from the Explorer. The Explorer is a very boring watch. It's a round case, simple lugs, on a bracelet, Simple dial. Can you really steal simplicity like that?
Andrew	Yeah, well, what is the Explorer? I mean, so there's the aesthetic cues, right? There's those big blocky numerals, Arabic numerals. But short of that, what is distinct about the Explorer?
Everett	I don't think there is. I think what makes the Explorer special is the story of the Explorer. Right? I think even Rolex knew it wasn't an especially unique or great watch. But they put all this ass behind it. It's going to be the first watch to summit Everest. Such as they went kind of cutthroat and definitely lied about it.
Andrew	Definitely stretched that truth a little bit.
Everett	They controlled the narrative. Yeah. Right? To create some myth, legend.
Andrew	If you haven't checked it out, check out our Watches of Everest episode. It's one of my favorites that we've ever done. Fantastic. There's a story there. Check it out.
Everett	So it created this, this mythical thing, this kind of mysterious, exciting Indiana Jones feeling to this watch. It's a professor who carries a whip and fights mummies and shit. Right?
Andrew	That's what Rolex did with the Explorer. Is your suggestion that it's not anything about the watch in particular that's discreet? It's that we all know the watch, and by way of knowing the watch, the evocative sensation is such that we're able to put a point on it.
Everett	Yeah. I think that's it. I think that's what the Explorer One is.
Andrew	I got to say, I think I totally 100% agree with you. Weird. I think I totally agree with you. I don't think there's anything particularly special about this watch. It's a three-hander. In some respects, I was thinking about it today and I was like, what's the difference between the Explorer and the OP? There are some differences, right? And so please, please don't send me text messages about, or DMs about what the differences are. Oh, just got baton hands.
Everett	The OP sponsors the Academy Awards. Okay. Right. So you can get an OP.
Andrew	You know, but really when you get down to it, I mean, they're very, very similar watches, right? Arabic numerals. We've got, you know, different styles of numerals, right? We, we, we have attributed certain features of the Explorer to outdoor sporting events pursuits pursuits right but i don't know that that is innate to those elements i think you're right i think and that's the weird thing to me an op is a sport watch yes totally yeah but i can't imagine myself wearing an op snorkeling i can't imagine myself
Everett	I can't imagine myself really snorkeling because I get sunburned and I don't particularly like it. But I can't imagine wearing an OP rock climbing. I can't imagine wearing an OP mountain biking or any outdoor pursuit.
Andrew	I don't think I'd wear an Explorer for any of those events either. Maybe snorkeling.
Everett	I could take my Explorer there though.
Andrew	Yeah, well that's what it's for, right?
Everett	Yeah, because that's what it's for. It's the same thing. It's the same damn watch. Has some minor design differences, but it's the same damn watch.
Andrew	Very, very similar in so many respects. Yeah.
Everett	But the OP is refined. It's a dress watch.
Andrew	It's a dress sport watch. Excuse me.
Everett	And the Explorer is your rugged Indiana Jones professor fights mummies. Right. I don't think Indiana Jones ever fought a mummy. So I don't know why I'm saying that.
Andrew	Uh, No, but he did, he was in that temple where they yanked a dude's heart out.
Everett	Yeah. Beating. That's right. They were kind of zombies. They were alive, right? But they were bewitched and poisoned and brainwashed.
Andrew	They ate brains too.
Everett	They did eat monkey brains. Yeah.
Andrew	They did do that. Yeah. No, it is like the old and indie boot, right? It's like, you see it. I mean, The Alden Indy boot is not something I've always known about, but as soon as I knew about it, then I was like, oh shit, that's the boot you wear when you're whip cracking in the desert, or whatever you're doing, right? Really, when you're a hipster in Portland wearing $250 salvage jeans, but.
Everett	Yes. But. But you could sure as shit brand cattle wearing them too. That's right.
Andrew	That's right. Have you ever done that? Branded cattle? Yeah. No.
Everett	It is a riot. It seems brutal. It's a little brutal, but it is super fun.
Andrew	Uh, I was at a after party in college where a fella had gotten branded, um, on his arm and, uh, he was in a lot of pain. Yeah. He was in a really a lot of pain, um, a big brand on his shoulder. And I was like, I don't think that's healthy. No.
Everett	Yeah.
Andrew	No. I don't think people should do that. I'm not terribly sure we should do that to cattle, but that's maybe another story. We're, we're, we're tangenting pretty hard here.
Everett	Well, that's normal for us. Plus we started early. We're only at 15 minutes. Yeah. I heard a story once of this guy. He's at another college after party, and a dude was getting branded, but they branded too deep, and the brand was not hot enough, so it wasn't just getting a sear.
Andrew	Was this like a coat hanger brand?
Everett	Yeah, obviously. So it starts losing heat, and it kind of starts melting into the skin, so they had to yank it off.
Andrew	and uh it didn't brand him so much just create a huge burned hole in his arm that is now just a big scar on his shoulder instead of a cool superman brand brutal that's what you get for branding yourself with a coat hanger so yes rolex explorer what is it we've talked about kind of why it might be what it is but in any event you know i think we've skipped around a little bit what it is so for the purposes of, for our purposes in picking a poor man's explorer, I think that there's an aesthetic and it's like pornography.
Everett	I know when I see it, it's a watch that you can wear in technical pants and hiking boots as appropriately as you can wear under a suit jacket.
Andrew	Yes, that's right. Not big, no ABC, a refined, small, in my mind.
Everett	Yeah, gotta be small.
Andrew	In my mind, no bigger than 42, probably. God, that's too big for me. Outer limits. Dressy, like a high school student might say, that's a dress watch.
Everett	Because it comes on a bracelet.
Andrew	Water resistance.
Everett	I think Sapphire. Okay. I'm okay. I accept that. I'm okay with not Sapphire, but my mind goes to Sapphire. So I don't know what you have picked in the way. I don't think any of mine are non Sapphire, but my mind goes to Sapphire.
Unknown	Yeah.
Andrew	Well, I didn't worry about Sapphire, but, but I think you're right. So, um, I'm sure that there's some watches. So I pulled up actually kind of a lot of watches. These are not necessarily my choices, but I thought we could kind of walk through some of these.
Everett	These are things we need to talk about, right? These are watches that have to be in the discussion.
Andrew	Yeah, that's right. And there's something to be said for, you know, I think that this is the moment where I have to take stock in my own dedication to sort of affordable watches, because there was a moment today where I thought, well, the Portman Explorer is the Explorer. right? You can get into these things for, if you really work at it, you can get into a 14, you know, a 1989 Explorer one for six grand if you really work.
Everett	And if you're cool with no box, no papers, you can get into them for 45 to five.
Andrew	Yeah, that's right. That's right. So I'm like, well, a Rolex Explorer is the poor man's Rolex Explorer. Oh, okay.
Everett	And maybe that's, maybe that's one of the answers is no box, no papers.
Andrew	That's super, uh, that's super anti our mission, right? That's too much fucking money to spend on a watch. If you have one, God bless you. I've got a watch that costs about the same amount as that. And so I don't chagrin anybody if that's your watch.
Everett	And we could offload our collections, either of us, and fund this watch.
Andrew	But I had to sort of take a step back and say, no, that's dumb. That's a dumb thing to say, Everett. So with that said, though, there are some medium high priced watches that are, you know, anywhere from a fifth to, uh, you know, a 10th of the price of an Explorer that you can get into. And there's some kind of, I think some kind of obvious choices, uh, just sort of run through some of these. So, so, so, so, so first it's not the Explorer. Okay. That, I'll get over that. But the first and the most obvious one I can think of is a Tudor Ranger. This is recently discontinued.
Unknown	Yeah.
Everett	You know, my issue with a Tudor Ranger, and frankly the reason I don't own one, they're too big.
Andrew	It's kind of big.
Everett	They're 41, 41 and a half.
Andrew	You don't see them on bracelets. Yep. And it's different, right?
Everett	Mm-hmm. It's more field watchy to me. In the way that I see it, it feels more like a field watch than a dress sport watch.
Andrew	Same. Same. You know, Tudor North flag, I think, is a way different thing, but I kind of throw those things together.
Everett	You know, my Tudor pick for a poor man's explorer is the Black Bay 36. Great choice.
Andrew	Great choice, but the 41, too, really sort of does the same thing.
Everett	Does the same thing. I think the 36 is just, it mirrors that 36 size of the Explorer that I really like. I feel like the Explorer 36 is the one. And I think that's maybe a point that we should talk about, is it comes in two unique sizes. We got 36 and we got a 40. To me, the 36 is the pinnacle.
Andrew	Yes, I think I agree with you. Yeah, if I'm gonna get one, I'm getting a 36. If we're staying on Tudor for a moment, I don't think that, you know, obviously the North flag and the Black Bay 36 and 41, great choices. I don't think that either of those or any, any of the three of those are the best choice. If you want a Tudor and you want an Explorer, I think what you get is the 1926 automatic. This is an automatic Tudor watch. I think it's an ETA. 41 millimeters, $1549 retail, two day on Jumbo Shop. For just under 1600 bucks, 100 meters, sapphire, screw down crown. It's big, 41 millimeters. It's crazy thin. Crazy thin. Sort of has a little bit of a, like a Hellcat type feel to it from the profile. I wish the crown was a little bit bigger.
Everett	I wish there wasn't texture on the dial.
Andrew	Uh, it's got that sort of OG Explorer waffle texture, which love it or hate it. It does have that. Um, Arabic's at the evens, which I kind of think is neat. Um, this is, this is my pick. If you're going to go tutor, you're going to go sort of on the high end of anything I'd ever recommend on this show. This is the one for me.
Everett	Yeah. Comes on a bracelet too, which is I think important.
Andrew	Uh,
Everett	yeah and it's a great bracelet yeah and it's a great bracelet at least a great looking bracelet having not actually worn it so i'm gonna i'm gonna go uh step left a little bit because i don't think i can go down i'm not gonna say down uh my next pick in this price segment worth considering is the triumph the manta triumph is is i think one of the most perfect analogs to the Explorer that there is. I think you're going to get really comparable experience with this watch. You're not going to be able to get a white dial, which I think is kind of weird that they have so many white dial watches and no white triumph, at least for now. But you'll be able to get it in black, silver, or their kind of silvery blue for $1,700.
Andrew	Another great option, the Atlas.
Everett	Yeah.
Andrew	Yeah. Which has a GMT hand, so not a 300, but either of those are great choices.
Everett	Yeah. And the Atlas is coming in 1950 and you're going to get the, you can get a white, a white or black. I mean, I think really anything noble Atlas or Triumph coming out of Manta is going to be a good analog for the Explorer. You're going to get a very similarly finished value to you watch. You're not going to carry the Rolex at the 12 o'clock, but you're going to get a Swiss made excellent specs, excellent finishing, and you're going to be able to get Everest bands. I think that's a, that's a, a nice little, uh, punch for Manta in lieu of Rolex purchases. You can get the same straps.
Andrew	Yeah. You know, I think that... Not for Molly. I think that we can kind of set these watches aside though, right? Because we're not really recommending these. No. These are too expensive for our show, right? Open Oscar have some options. Faire have some options. There's, you know, you get into that range and really your eyes get open. The sky's the limit. The sky's the limit. But that's not what we're doing here. That's not what we're doing here. We're going to move on from that. Because I think that there are some great Some great, great, great, great choices. I've got one. Do you mind if I just sort of land it, man? Dump this out here. My first choice. This is a watch. Uh, this is a watch. So I'll just say this watch, I think hits a little too close to the target for me. And it's the reason I don't own one. And I think the same is true for you. Cause we've talked about it on this show. Um, it's been a while, but the Bernhardt vinegar anchor. Yeah. I think the Black Dial is fantastic. These 100 available, pre-order soon. I don't know if you can actually do the pre-order right now, but you can do a Black Dial Binnacle Anchor. It's the 3, Binnacle Anchor 3. Bernhardt has just a terrific reputation. This watch has actual real end links now. It didn't always, I don't believe. Like I said, you look at it, you know what it is. For my part, it's a little too close.
Everett	I think Bernhardt is doing something unique in that world though. Yes, they're doing homages, but they're doing really quality homages. They're not just pumping them out off the shelf. They're being really deliberate in their designs to offer you value with your kind of feeling.
Andrew	You know, Fred Amos is the owner of Bernhardt is one of these OG watch dudes, right? He's been doing this for forever. One of the earliest micro brands that really sort of caught the eye of collectors Um, and I don't think that the Bernhardt brand is really his main project. I think he's doing a lot of like, uh, special order, you know? So if you're a police union or, or something, you can get a watch from, from Bernhardt, um, you know, sort of custom dialed, et cetera. So I think really that's the core of his business, but his Bernhardt branded watches are all fantastic. Also, I think they've got the licensing deal for Lejour in the United States. So he's got a bunch of stuff going on. Um, but oh gee, only, but a goodie Barnhart pinnacle anchor. What do we, what else do you say? It's 40 millimeters. It's, it's all the things. Sapphire 200. Oh, oh, oh, oh, did you see this? No. 316 L surgical stainless steel case.
Everett	Oh damn. That's sick. Um, I'm going to, I'm going to pitch one that's not a, I'm going to pitch one that I think is a good alternative. The Hamilton khaki field auto. It's a field watch. No questions about it, but it's a really refined field watch. It's got the polishing where you want it. It's still a field watch. It's got a great crown. It's a little more expensive.
Andrew	It's got that great day complication.
Everett	No, the field auto.
Andrew	Yeah. Oh, okay. I was thinking the king.
Everett	Yeah. No, no, not the king, the field auto. It's got a hundred meters of water resistance. 620 CHF. I don't know how many money. Thousand bucks. Yeah.
Andrew	I think you can get these for less than that.
Everett	Yeah. But this is so from the Hamilton website. Okay. 620 CHF. A little bit more expensive option. Fronks. Yeah. Fronks or Franks? Franks. Yeah. Like Red Hots.
Andrew	Swiss francs.
Everett	Uh, but yeah, it's, it's the right dimensions. It's got the right feel to it. This is a watch that I wouldn't feel odd putting on leather and wearing under a jacket. Yeah. It's also a watch that I'd feel okay beating to shit.
Andrew	And it's a great brand, right? Hamilton's a great brand.
Everett	Great legacy brand. A lot of value coming from the name, you know, all that stuff.
Andrew	Can I ask you a question? Do it. Does, does brand heritage legacy equity matter?
Everett	I think it does.
Andrew	I think, um, no, I think that's a great choice. Is that, does that, so a hundred meters of water resistance on that guy? Yeah. Sapphire. Does that come with the powermatic? Ooh, good question.
Everett	Um, I have to look. Also it's 38. Yeah. So it's the 80, 80 hour H 10 auto. Right, the H10 is what they call it. That's what they call the Powermatic, yeah. 80 hours, that's a long damn time. I don't know if the Alpinist that I just got is an 80-hour power reserve. I think it's really fucking close, because I went to put it on, and it was still ticking, and I don't remember the last time I wore it. Are we going to talk about the Alpinist today? No, actually, I didn't bring the Alpinist into the conversation.
Andrew	Okay, so let's just... And I felt like it was just too obvious. Yeah, let's just really quickly say, the answer is Alpinist. Don't listen to anything that we said before this or after this. The answer is Alpinist. We're not going to talk about the Alpinist because that's boring.
Everett	But it's also so different.
Andrew	And I think what we try... It's different in the exact way I want an homage to be different. Yeah, maybe. I think the Alpinist is an homage to the Explorer.
Everett	It was a competitor. It was meant to compete with.
Andrew	And so when I say homage, I mean that in the loosest, you know, homage is jargon. It's watch jargon, right? I don't mean it in the watch jargon sense. I mean it in the, in the colloquial English language.
Everett	It's the accord to the Camry.
Andrew	It is, it is my, my pick under a thousand bucks.
Unknown	Yeah.
Andrew	Everything. It's got everything. It's so money. You, you can get them with a rotating inner crown. You can get them without, you know, if you don't want that, it, that is the one that's the one i don't like the current textured iterations okay well whatever you you can find one you like yes oh yeah you wouldn't will will our editor-in-chief the boss hates the daddy daddy daddy hates the green dial hates the green i think it's lovely we had a fight today about green watches it's the the answer is the alpinist period stop Get a Saab 017 if you don't hate the green dial. 6R35 movement.
Unknown	Yeah.
Andrew	That was me blowing a kiss to I don't know what. My butthole.
Everett	I liked it. Okay, moving on. So, but yeah, an 80-hour power reserve coming in this in this khaki field auto. And it says when you're planning an expedition, your essential equipment is reliable, resilient, functional, and compact. And then I went in to say that, you know, it's all these things. And I would be inclined to agree with him.
Andrew	I still had so many watches on my list.
Everett	Let's keep burning it up, man. We've got so, we've got options. This is, I think what the takeaway from this episode is, is that The Explorer is an idea. Right? Yeah. It spawned this huge segment of watches. Some affordable, some not. But all of them you can take with you. Wear them, use them, love them, and they will not fail. Your body will fail before this watch does. Because the bottom line is, all the watches we talk about today are using 316L steel. Orion. Hellcat.
Andrew	Mike drop. Yeah, it's in the stand and it's connected to a wire, but I would don't don't drop it. I'm fake figuratively dropping it here. I'll bring you one.
Everett	Yeah, no, I think another really good option. You know what's interesting though is I think the Hellcat is sexier than the Explorer.
Andrew	It's sexier.
Everett	It's way sexier. It's way less sport than it is dress. It's not a dress watch. Not by a long shot. But it's it's James Bond in one of his Kevlar tuxedos. Yeah, he's not. He can go to a black tie event, but he's he's going to go fight, you know, the enemies of the world.
Andrew	Yeah, this this is the this is the Explorer that like that sexy cigarette smoking evening slipper wearing Italian dude. designs. Yeah. You know, like with the cigarette hanging out of very elegantly.
Everett	He's the one painting the French grass. That's, that's what he's wearing. That's right. It's Leo in Titanic.
Andrew	Oh yeah. Yeah. Perhaps, perhaps this is the Explorer for, you know, it's a little bit more refined, right?
Everett	It's for the hipster wearing the $250 boots and $250 salvage denim. And it's for him. It's the difference between,
Andrew	like really sort of long Italian shoelasts versus like American floor shine blocky shoelasts, right? You sort of get elegant. It does all the same things. It's still got that Goodyear welt, but it's just a little bit flowier, a little thinner, a little sexier, a little sleeker. You know, Nick Harris, He's an evil genius. Evil genius. He's, I think he might be evil too though.
Everett	I'm comfortable with him hearing me tell him that he's an evil genius. Anybody who designs a watch that requires tweezers to reinsert the bracelet is an evil genius.
Andrew	Yeah. The tolerances on that thing are out of this world. Evil genius. It is really enjoyable to wear. One of my favorite watches to wear.
Everett	I've, I've like many times considered going to your house while you're gone and taking it. Yeah.
Andrew	And it's got to, it's, it's got all the water resistance. It does all the things. Yeah. You could do anything in that watch. You couldn't break it. And it's just gorgeous. Really sort of rugged looking dial. It's not, it's not sleek. Rugged looking dial. Fantastic. I love it.
Unknown	Yep.
Everett	It's a Tesla truck. but way better because you're not going to be able to break it on accident. And I bet it, I mean, I shouldn't maybe say this, but, uh, I bet if you broke his watch, he'd be mostly impressed and might cut you a deal on fixing it.
Andrew	Yeah, I'm not going to do that.
Everett	How many might? Cause I, it'd be an impressive feat. Like can't run it over to break it. And I don't think a running over is going to be able to generate enough force to damage the watch. I could break it. Godspeed to you my friend.
Andrew	What's next? Oh yeah. I've still got like 11 watches to talk about so. And I brought 30.
Everett	Not really. Um, ooh. SESKX. Eh. The SRPE55. You don't think this is a good analog?
Andrew	I mean it's ever been as good an analog as the Tudor Black Bay.
Everett	It is but it's 150 bucks. Yeah.
Unknown	Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Everett	This, this is our bread and butter right here. This has all the specs. It's got all the sex. It's got all the things. 10 bars of water resistance. That's a hundred meters. Could be more, should be more, I think. 11 and a half thick. 40 millimeter case. Sexy lines. Simple dial. I could have done without the Seiko 5 logo, but, you know, it's neither here nor there. I love 4 o'clock crowns. This, this for me, in the affordable world, the truly affordable world, this is it. It's not quite as well specced, but it's really damn close and it's 10% of the cost.
Andrew	I don't begrudge you your choice. I think it misses in too many ways for me.
Everett	Well, you can fuck off. I got a couple. I got one that you're well, I have two that I don't think you're going to be able to argue with.
Andrew	Well, why don't we talk about, I think my favorite dirt cheap micro brand that came out last year.
Everett	We talked about the elephant in the room.
Andrew	You mean the GM line? Uh, this is, uh, you know, you know, this is one of these watches that's been featured in our last 12 episodes. That's right. One of these watches that we're going to continue to talk about. This is really where this watch fits, right? Yeah. Sport watch. Elegant.
Everett	Um, I don't think it quite has the elegance of the Explorer, but I think it's really, it's just close enough that, yeah, I think that's right.
Andrew	It doesn't do these things in the same way the Explorer does them, right? The Explorers sort of, blocky. Um, in fact, I would argue that this thing probably almost purpose almost certainly purposefully does these things in the same way that Monta does. Right. Yeah. And, and I say that without any, uh, any ire, this thing is really almost a one-to-one of the, the, the Monta noble case. Um, it's bigger, It's sort of, I think at one point we were talking and I jokingly called it the Wario version of the Montenegro. So you did call it that. It's chunkier. It's, it's, everything's a little, you know, maybe not a little less, everything is less refined. Um, but it, it, it does those, it does those lines that the Monte does purposefully.
Everett	So, so I think it's less refined by design. It is called the trail seeker. This is a field watch.
Andrew	I think it's less refined by necessity, but.
Everett	Perhaps, but it's a field watch. It does all the dress sport things though. While still being a very purpose built field watch.
Andrew	Crown guards. 200 meters of water resistance. And just, it's 300 bucks. Is that how much it is right now? It's $295, still on pre-order.
Everett	I don't know when this price is going to go away, but it's going to be soon.
Andrew	And if you miss it, shucks. And it's a joy to wear. It is a joy to wear.
Everett	But if you miss it, bummer, because it's $365 MSRP. This is one of the best deals in watches right now.
Andrew	Yeah, yeah, yeah, no doubt about it. Know what about it? Miyota movement. Sapphire 200 meters. I don't know how they're doing killer bracelet. He's going to lose his ass on it. That's how he's doing it. He's he's building a brand by way of a loss leader, which I think a lot of people have a lot of opinions about whether or not that's a good idea. I don't begrudge anybody their decisions when it comes to this stuff. This works. I mean, this watch is worth more money than this. Yeah. Yeah, it should be. This watch should be 450 bucks at the very least. If you were to be using this watch to make money, he's not going to make money on this. Yeah. I didn't say he, it's, it's the day it's it. Yeah.
Everett	It's him. I'd punch even North of four 50 for, for this watch. And that's after having worn it to not just having seen it in pictures and read the specs. This is after having spent some time with this watch.
Andrew	Yeah. I wore this watch almost exclusively for like three weeks. So yeah.
Everett	Yeah. This is, this is a, This is a killer watch. And like I say, it's the elephant in the room. This is the if we're going to skip the alpinist, this is the affordable Explorer. Yeah. Are you ready for my next pick?
Andrew	Yeah, I'm ready for your next pick. I'm ready.
Everett	This isn't going to surprise anyone.
Andrew	I'm ready, Andrew.
Everett	It's the Falcon 2.
Andrew	Yeah, that's the last one. The other elephant in the room. Size. It's in many ways fashioned after that original Rolex Explorer which is not really a Rolex Explorer. This is the Everest watch.
Everett	Yes. 316L steel. Perfectly modern though. 100 meters of water resistance. BGW 9. Actually 316L bracelet too.
Everett	9. 9. 9. Nine millimeters thick.
Andrew	It's it's one of my favorite wearing watches that I've ever that I've ever had.
Everett	With even with its two millimeter domed crystal, it's still one of the thinnest watches you're going to wear. Miura movement. Yeah. Just 20 to 16 bracelet. Just and what those flat link bracelets 400 bucks or 500 bucks. 499 and you can get the white right now. You can get the navy and silver right now.
Unknown	Oh, but Andrew, uh, they only make one watch.
Everett	It's impossible because this is a 36 millimeter case. You guys. So maybe they make two watches, but you can get all of them.
Andrew	We love Lauren and Lorenzo cause they're just so amazing. Uh, so amazing. Uh, they're just amazing people, right? They're fun to talk to.
Everett	Yeah, but fuck them when we're talking about their watches, because we're talking about their watches.
Andrew	Exactly. We have zero reservations about saying this watch is so fun to wear. Yes, it's it's actually I would say this is the only one of their watches, of Laurier's watches that I would buy for myself. And that's not because the other watches aren't fantastic. This is just the one in their catalog that I know I would love to wear and I would wear.
Everett	Yes, I know. I totally agree. I was tempted to buy a Falcon a bunch of times prior to the Falcon 2 release. Falcon 2 released, and Falcon 1 sold out, and I was kind of bummed. We got a Falcon 2 in for review, and I was like, oh man, I'm so glad I didn't buy a Falcon 1. Yeah. I love this watch. The Neptune's great. The Gemini's great. Gemini, get it. Have we worn, did we get a Hyperion?
Andrew	No, I didn't get one.
Everett	I felt like we had, it doesn't matter. It's also great. I know it's great because I know what they're putting out. Yeah. They're not going to put out anything of any lesser caliber than what we've experienced.
Andrew	Yeah. No, no. Yeah.
Everett	I love that. So the Falcon two for me, the Falcon two, the GM Lang or the elephants in the room in the Explorer conversation, you know, I pulled up one other watch.
Andrew	This one doesn't rule. I pulled up two other watches and neither one of them fit. But I'm going to mention them anyway because I think they're worth a mention. One of them is very different. Very different in terms of case. This has got trench watch elements. It's got like a big sort of square hexagon case.
Everett	Have you seen the Instagram ads recently? It's this company that's doing trench watches and their Instagram ad is a guy wearing it with the NATO strap around his belt. and the tag is another way to wear your trench watch.
Andrew	I'm not going to even acknowledge any of that.
Everett	I'll screenshot it. It's the most ridiculous ad I've ever seen. It's like, why would you wear your watch on your belt? Also, that's not a unique, that's your marketing plan? Continue.
Andrew	Seals, Model C, Field Explorer. You know, It's different. You're going to look at it and be like, that's not an Explorer. That's not an Explorer. It's not a poor man's Explorer. A, it's, it's, you know, up there in price. Um, but I think it does a lot of same things. And if you want something a little bit different style, Michael Seals does great things with finishing his case design is about as unique as anything out there right now without being offensively bizarre. It's super modern and innovative. The other one, The other one I really like Asher and Banks Fortitude. Yes. Uh, more of an OP case then, uh, more of an OPK or OP dial than an Explorer dial, but you still get that very, let's go do shit attitude.
Everett	My last pick is the Citizen Chandler.
Unknown	Oh yeah. We've talked about this.
Everett	Another field watch, but I think that the courts, right? Yeah. It's a quartz. I mean, it's, it's eco drive.
Andrew	It's eco drive. It's got low water resistance and yet it's a great pick.
Everett	It's got the feel. It's got, um, it's a 37 millimeter case. Um, 10 bar water resistance. It doesn't come on a bracelet.
Andrew	Nope. You want to wear that watch on NATO anyway.
Everett	Yeah. But so you get yourself a Haviston canvas and this watch is just money. You're not going to be able to do anything to harm this watch. Yeah. But again, a field watch. And I think the Explorer, the, um, legend of the Explorer causes it to straddle the world of a field watch and the world of a sport watch. Cause meant to be worn like a field watch, but it isn't not by a long shot.
Andrew	Even though it kind of is. Yeah.
Everett	Yeah. It's a fast, like, I think the story of the Explorer is just fascinating. And we've talked about it at ad nauseum in our watches of Everest episode.
Unknown	Hey, have we mentioned that you should go listen to the watches of Everett?
Everett	The watches of Everett, you know, there is an Everett's collection inspection. Uh, I want to say it's probably like 112. Um, check it out, you know, But are, you know, I think the watches of Everest episode epitomizes that, that the Explorer is more than the watch. It's a story. It's even more than Rolex. If any other brand made the Explorer and still had any kind of ass, the Explorer would be the same price as it is right now. If it wasn't produced by Rolex, if tag made this watch. It'd be the same price as it is now.
Unknown	Yeah.
Everett	Because of the story of the Explorer.
Andrew	Yeah, that's right. Final thoughts on a poor man's Explorer. No, we didn't mention a Smiths Everest. We should have. No, we're not going to talk about the Smiths Everest. And that's that. Yeah. Don't at me, bro.
Everett	We're not going to talk about the other million watches that fit the mold here, especially the Smiths Everest. Because it didn't summon Everest first.
Andrew	And other reasons. Andrew. Andrew.
Unknown	Yes.
Andrew	Other things.
Everett	What you got? I forgot. Real talk though. I have another thing. Hang on. I gotta adjust here. My other thing. is from a brand called rad sports rad sport with a z so you know it's rad it's a kayak hoist extreme and it's not just a kayak hoist but it's designed for a kayak so you know just so you know it's a hoist it is a ceiling mounted hoist for your kayaks so that they're not hanging on the wall and ceiling storage is one of the most underrated storage solutions out there. What the fuck do you do in the ceiling of your garage when it's not impeded by your garage door? You look at it and you don't dust it and you lament the fact that you have mountains of shit in your garage. On the floor. Yes. Use your ceiling. Build ceiling racks. Don't build so many that you can't do this. For those of you who have kayaks, or for those of you who think that you don't have enough space for a kayak, check these out. They're $31.18, which is a really weird price. They're super easy to install. They have a 125 pound weight capacity, which is far greater than any canoe or kayak, if it's not light. hand hewn out of a chunk of tree.
Unknown	I've got an elephant wood kayak.
Everett	Yeah, any modern canoe or kayak is not going to exceed this weight limit. It was super easy to install. All you have to do is pin a 2x4 or, you know, whatever size lumber to your joist, to your garage, secure the mounting brackets, thread the rope, hook it up, hoist it, and then make an anchor somewhere out of the Super easy to use. It's auto locking. So even if this thing comes untied from your anchor, your kayak isn't going to fall on your dome. My kayak's been hanging, I don't know, I put it up a month ago. Hasn't lost any tension, hasn't sunk, hasn't adjusted. Took me half an hour to install and hang.
Andrew	Yeah, you did that in an afternoon.
Everett	Because of the way the pulley system works, you can load, unload, mount, unmount your kayak entirely by yourself.
Andrew	How long? So let's say you want to get out the door and go shoot some rapids.
Everett	I could have my kayak in the back of my truck in three minutes.
Andrew	They look great too.
Everett	Super easy, just super easy, super intuitive. The instructions. we're really clear, which is important for something like this because you're working on a ladder. Yeah. Great, great tool for those of you who are looking for a storage solution for your kayaks or canoes.
Andrew	You know what I think the biggest selling point on this, and this is maybe true of any kayak hoist, but the biggest selling point for me is that I've been in your garage, I don't know, 20 times since you installed that thing. And I don't recall ever taking note of the kayak.
Everett	It's a huge, it's a twelve foot orange kayak hanging dead center in my garage.
Andrew	It's just out of the way. I guess that's my point.
Everett	It's out of the way. The cleat and anchor system is out of the way. It's money.
Andrew	Kayak hoists, people.
Unknown	Look at what we do for you.
Everett	It works for anything long that you want to hang out of the way. Your ladders. Take your pick. I mean, you can keep raising your eyebrows. It's not good for penises.
Andrew	You don't know that.
Everett	Hey, you know what? You got one that needs a hoist. Good on ya. And I'm sorry. I don't.
Andrew	Me either. I've got another thing. Do me. So I, like most sort of people of my ilk, I guess, have golfed, right? I have golfed in my life. I golfed some in high school. Like really not very much at all. I golfed some in college. My first career, there was a couple of guys that I golfed with just a handful of times. In law school, I golfed maybe 10 times. So, um, by the time I graduated law school, I'd probably golfed, you know, 40 rounds or so. I'm just guessing. I'm just throwing a number out there. Not a good golfer. Like just a guy who owns golf clubs who would go golf.
Unknown	About,
Andrew	a year and a half ago, I started golfing. So, you know, 38 years old, started golfing, um, and got into it. I'm into golf now. I'm golfing. I'm hitting balls at lunch. I'm golfing a couple of times a week, you know, you know, maybe, uh, you know, four or five rounds a month, I'm golfing, right? And like anything you pick up as an adult that should be learned as a kid, I'm struggling. I am not good at golf, right? Breaking 90 is an exceptional day for me. Exceptional.
Everett	That's a good day of golf, for the record.
Andrew	Yeah, right, right. But I mean, my scores are Mid 90s. I'm a mid 90s golfer, right? I'm a, they call that a mid to high handicapper. That's me. I'm not a good golfer. Um, I have been like slowly working on little things, getting better, getting better. I recently had what you might call an aha moment where I figured a thing out and all of a sudden I went from, You know, if you're a golfer, this may connect with you. And if you're not, it won't, don't worry about it. But it was that day where I went from hitting my seven iron, you know, 130, 132 yards to 155, 160 yards. It was snap of the fingers. It was just instant, right? I figured a thing out and I got it. And it was like, Oh, I got it.
Everett	Are you using lighter balls?
Andrew	Right. I started using lighter balls. No, it's harder than that. There's no quick fix. There's no quick fix. You got to figure out how to golf. But I found a YouTube channel and I think this is like so many things, right? This is going to talk to some people. It's not going to talk to others. It's all of our other things. I found a YouTube channel, a fellow named Sean Clement. and the YouTube channel I think is Sean Clements wisdom in golf and the way he talks about the golf swing he's got I think probably hundreds of videos and actually they get a little repetitive he talks about the same things every video no matter what the video is called he's talking about the same things but the way he described the golf swing in particular the release you know the release of the golf club I was just like oh
Everett	Wait, you let go of your golf club and your swing?
Andrew	No, you don't let go. Okay. This is the release, right? This is that moment where, you know, he's saying, you're not, you're not hitting here. You're hitting here. You know, the way he talks about it, if you're a golfer and you are not like a crazy good golfer, cause I think like people who've got a really solid swing are going to see this and be like, yeah, no shit. Dumb, dumb. But for me, a hacker, who was really struggling with distance and just like, I don't know what I'm doing wrong. It just talked to me. The second I heard him start talking about this, I was like, oh, oh, all these things that I knew about the golf swing or that I'd been told about the golf swing or that I kind of knew, but hadn't really connected. So many things connected, like, you know, rotation in the back and you know, the pull, pull, swing and you know, whatever. There's all these little things that it was just like,
Everett	I've thought about taking golf lessons right-handed so that I don't have any of my really deeply ingrained muscle.
Andrew	You can get rid of all that muscle memory.
Everett	Yeah, really deeply ingrained muscle memory mistakes so I can get rid of them. I've thought about that. I think it might be a good idea.
Andrew	You try it. There's nothing to stop you, right? You are strong enough on your right side that you could probably get to a place.
Everett	I mean, I've played golf. I played rounds of golf right-handed.
Andrew	Have I ever, I've told you about my friend Ryan, who's the PBA bowler, who was my bowling coach. And then I, we bowled on the same team. And, um, this guy, you know, one day we're, we're out bowling. We're just throwing, throwing balls. And in a, in a practice game, he had a two 79. That's where you get a nine spare in the middle of the game. Strike, strike, strike nine spare. strike out right so it's got to come in the middle it can't come in the 10th it could come anywhere right it could come in the second frame it could come in the eighth frame 279 and i said ryan how many 279 games have you thrown because he was like yeah yeah yeah i was like how many times have you done that because he's really lousy fair about it he's like well i used to keep records and i have i haven't kept records in years but at one point I had over 5,279 games. And, uh, it's just this moment like, right. When you become an expert in something, you just do it so much. Anyway, the point of this 10,000 hours theory, the point of the story is we bold do you have 10,000 hours theory? Exactly. We bold for a while on both Tuesday and Thursday nights together. And in the Tuesday night league, he bold left-handed two 32 average. And in the, Thursday Night League, he bowled right-handed 218 average. He's right-handed, too. Interesting. Yeah. He's just, you know, one of those people, man. I think you could do that with golf.
Unknown	You should do it.
Everett	I'm wondering if it would help. I mean, there would be a drop-off, right? Or if there's enough strengths in my right-handed game. Or in my left-handed game. Do I golf right or left-handed? I golf right-handed, so I can golf left-handed. I'm wondering if learning left-handed, going and taking lessons left-handed.
Unknown	Did you just ask me if you golf right or left-handed? I couldn't remember.
Andrew	You golf right-handed. Yeah, I golf right-handed. You golf the same-handed as me, so you'd have to go left-handed.
Everett	So I'm wondering if switching and taking lessons on the other side would be beneficial.
Andrew	It could be a fun experiment. Yeah. Andrew. Is there anything else you want to say about golf, bowling, kayaks?
Everett	One other thing. Y'all need to go check out the EMG Odyssey. Pre-order is up on May 23rd. It'll end on June 6th. You're going to see a write-up from us on the website. You're going to see an audio review, both before the pre-order period opens. You're going to see pictures. Check out the EMG Instagram. or website. That's where they have all their pictures up of it. This thing is a banger. Check it out.
Andrew	Like $6.75 pre-order for a SW-330. Yeah. Dual crown. Come on. Hey, thanks for joining us for this episode of 40 and 20, the WatchClicker podcast. Check us out on our website, watchclicker.com. That's where we have every episode of the podcast, articles,
Unknown	Evan Kasper had a new one today. Banger.
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