Episode 127 - Collection Overlap

Published on Thu, 01 Apr 2021 00:17:49 -0700

Synopsis

The podcast discusses overlapping watches in collections and the motivation behind acquiring similar pieces. The hosts showcase three black-dialed dive watches they own, exploring why they want seemingly duplicate items despite functional similarities. They examine the joys of collecting watches beyond practicality, comparing it to having different screwdrivers for varying tasks. The conversation touches on curating collections based on personal preferences rather than resale value and the role of social media in fueling acquisitions.

Transcript

Speaker
Andrew Hello, fellow watch lovers, nerds, enthusiasts, or however you identify. This is 40 in 20, the Watch Clicker podcast with your host, Andrew. I'm a good friend, Everett. Here, we talk about watches, food, drinks, life, and other things we like. Everett, how are you?
Everett So good. Just great. Excellent. Amazing, even. We've had a good night. Yeah, yeah, yeah. This has been a decent night.
Andrew We've moved studios. Mm-hmm. The studio has been moved. We did some construction in my garage.
Everett Not for the studio.
Andrew No, no, not for the studio. We've moved studios and we still have some echo. Yeah. Well, in part it's because we are the only things in this room.
Everett Yeah.
Andrew And this is a media room by design. So I was thinking it would maybe deaden the echo a little bit rather than enhance it. Um, But as you can see on that wall, there's clearly meant for a very large television or projector screen to land because it's surrounded by speakers. And then the rest of the room envelops you in speakers. Yeah, no, that's right. Our original intent was to put a couch that we have up here and it's a pullout couch. We didn't really know where else to put it, but I was like, oh, this will be a perfect place for that couch. Like a hide-a-bed? Yeah. Yeah. Okay. to watch, you know, to get a projector screen and watch movies on. Because what's better than watching a movie in bed? Not many things.
Everett I hate watching TV in bed.
Andrew Oh, not in my bed, because that messes up my sleep. But laying down to watch TV is the truth. Nope. Oh, that's my jam. More reclined, more better. But when the movers came, I said, hey, I know the ceiling's a little weird in this room. Do you think you can get it in there? And he goes, do you have a sawzall? And I kind of laughed and he goes, no, seriously, if you're cool with me cutting a hole in your wall, like a couch size hole, yeah, no, cool. We can get it in there. If not, no. Because the doors are just too small? It's about the angle. So the ceiling, the way it cuts down into the door, it just is impossible. So I don't know, like, why you would build a media room intended for like a full fucking lounge couch without the capacity to get said lounge couch into it. Maybe put a, like, if they'd put a big bay window here, Like, oh, it's for second story insertion of a couch that would track, but it's just, it's kind of a weird laid out room.
Everett You know what you should get? You should get some of those like Italian leather Recaros that the EPL teams have on the sidelines. I think what I'm just going to get a roll of like six of those.
Andrew I think what I'm just going to do is, uh, treat this as an office with, uh, you know, immense potential that'll never be realized. Whatever. Or a single, Lame. Ran the lazy boy for just me. Yeah. And this will be the Bronus room. I called the Bronus room the entire time we were in the process of buying the house, hoping that it would catch on and it would be accepted as the Bronus room. And it has not. No, it's now my wife's office. Yeah.
Everett Well, wives that work need offices.
Andrew But not in the Bronus room. Babe, get your office out of my Bronus room. Yeah. No, I haven't tried that yet. I imagine it would, it would end in blood Mine specifically. So how are you?
Everett I'm doing good. We already talked about this. I just want to know.
Andrew We were just talking about me.
Everett That's it. Yeah. No, I'm doing, I'm doing well. So, uh, just one of those, one of those long days at work. And so around four 30, I was like, fuck it. And through the stack of papers up in the air, uh, you don't have a boss, so there's no consequences to that. That's right. I just have to clean the papers up when I get back to work tomorrow. Blame it on the burglar. But yeah, no, uh, I'm good. Had a nice, we had sushi with the kids tonight for dinner.
Andrew They dig it, man. Yeah.
Everett Yeah. They dig it. Nigeri specifically. Interesting.
Andrew Yeah. Mine aren't down with it. Well, obviously the, you know, Cal doesn't, you know.
Everett I bet Cal would mow some salmon nigeri.
Andrew Almost certainly. He's just got the two bottom teeth, his top two. are cutting in. Mark is not a big fan. I told him it was samurai food because he wants to be a samurai and he tried it and he's like, I don't want to be a samurai that bad.
Everett That's a reasonable kid. Yeah. Uh, no, the kids dig the nigiri. Uh, Betty, Betty likes mostly, uh, Potstickers, that's really... Betty always... They are the truth. Betty's always down because she knows she gets potstickers. But yeah, I mean, my kids don't like a lot of shit like marinara sauce, where I'm like... How can you not like that? All I ate when I was your age.
Andrew It's like the least offensive food on the planet.
Everett So, but yeah, sushi, they dig it. We get sushi probably once a month. Kim just orders a bunch of shit and I always hate ordering sushi. Me too.
Andrew I find it miserable. Well, not only is it miserable, but it is the most expensive food that you will ever be hungry right after you've finished that meal.
Everett I don't know if you get like a dragon roll or something at home.
Andrew No, dude, I'll eat four sushi rolls. I'll eat $90 worth of sushi by myself and think I'm going to die. And then in two hours I'm like, all right, where's the pizza?
Everett But yeah, how are you? We just talked about that. Yeah, you had a weird day. You did like a range day. You shot weapons today.
Andrew Yeah, so I spent the entire day on the range. I'm not actually, I mean, I'm working, I'm getting paid for it, but I am beat up and tired. And one thing, I mean, you guys all know this about me, I'm left-handed, which means that whenever I'm in a firearm course, I'm made fun of, brutally. You shoot left-handed? Yeah. Interesting. So I'm brutally made fun of because There's very few instructors in most organizations who are left-handed. So they're like, why are you doing it all fucked up? I'm like, this is actually just, this is just how I, this is just how I am.
Everett I don't know what you want for me. I'm so surprised that you shoot left-handed.
Andrew I do. I'm a, I'm a disgusting animal.
Everett Is it, is it a dominant eye thing or is it just more comfortable?
Andrew It is just more comfortable. So I learned to shoot as an adult left-handed. Most of the things I learned as a child, I learned right-handed cause my parents were like, back away, you Satan child. You are going to learn to do this right-handed like a fucking normal person. So a lot of like, and that's what I've kind of deduced it to is things I learned as a child dominantly right-handed besides writing and eating. And, but things I learned as an adult are dominantly left-handed. So I'm just a disaster of ambidextrousness. Yeah, that's, that's good, right? Well, yeah, but the problem is the, the AR 15 platform, It's a right-handed platform. There's no ifs, ands, buts about it in its stock form. You can make them very left-handed.
Everett You cannot do sports left-handed. Right.
Andrew You can, but you got to create your own way.
Everett It looks pretty dumb.
Andrew You got to find your own way. And the problem is when you get these old crusty guys who are like, this is how we do it. This is how it's done. They watch you do it. And they're like, that's not how you do it. No, that's how I do it. That's the thing. Like you don't. Because you're right because you don't have to, but I've found my way. So it's just, it's a frustrating day of like just north south thing. Like, yeah, I'll do it better. I'll do it better. And then how do you do it?
Everett Do you reach across or do you take your right hand off the, uh, so I can't to the right.
Andrew I keep my dominant hand on the pistol grip and I can't to the right. And then I sweep the bolt carrier group, which hurts. So my index finger, is very bruised from sweeping that. But here's the, here's the real thing is they'll make fun of you for doing it wrong. But then we're like, Hey, give me an ambi safety and an ambi charging handle. And they're like, no, we can't do that. We can't modify the weapons because we can't do that. We have to deal with the equipment we're given. I'm like, well, so now I'm in this position where it's like, you're telling me I can't do it at all. I must do it this way. So it's just, it's just kind of a shit show.
Everett It seems like an ADA violation.
Andrew You know, it should be. I should file a grievance with the union. Yeah. Um, I'm not going to do that. I'm just going to tolerate it. And then like, I'm going to do it their way and I'm going to gain, you know, some really valuable skills. Cause there's, there's very few things better than practice and I'm going to keep doing it my way. And while they make fun of me, I'm going to do it effectively. And I'm like, well, I'm as fucked up, but I mean, you're doing a good.
Everett So, so with, with, you know, police unions are so strong and so powerful and there's so much stock infrastructure in place, I suspect that when people take it to the next level and file grievances that it's bad.
Andrew Oh no. You take anything to the union and gets fixed. Oh really? Yeah. It's just like, is this worth a battle?
Everett Yeah.
Andrew Okay. It's not because I'm, because everyone knows it's not worth a battle. It's like purely, it's, it's not quite hazing, but it's, that's what we're going to boil it down to. Yeah. It's not going to affect my ability to complete this course. It's okay. Nobody's stressed out about it. Nobody's stressed out about it. They're just going to make fun of me and I'm going to make fun of them and I'm going to make fun of me and be like, I'm fucked up. I'm Lieutenant. What do you want from me? Like I'm also a ginger and bald. Like there's nothing good about me. Keep reminding me.
Everett Well, despite, despite our ability to carry on conversations about nonsense, we are theoretically, I'll say tonight talking about watches.
Andrew Sort of. Yeah. Or, I mean, in the grand sense of things, yeah. We are. I'm trying to so gently set this down.
Everett Just set it down. Just do it. This is really loud. You're making it worse. You know, we've got a new table. We've got some new... We're going to have to figure out some systems because this table's going to... It's because there's nothing on it.
Andrew It's going to transfer sound. There's no weight on it.
Everett Yeah. It's like the Liberty Bell.
Andrew Yeah, it's like the board in some watches. So hopefully it doesn't crack. The table?
Everett Yeah. Like the Liberty Bell. Yeah. Got it.
Andrew Yeah, got it. So watch us tonight. And we have a topic, and it's a pretty... What are you doing? I'm scratching my nuts. Okay. Flicking a bug off my wiener. It's a pretty free form topic.
Everett Yeah, this is maybe our freest form topic ever. Perhaps. Perhaps, in terms of the amount of preparation we've done for this show. Uh, you did some prep though.
Andrew I did do some prep. And, and so, so tonight we're going to be talking about a few things that all kind of fit into one idea. Overlap in a collection. And this episode is specifically for you weirdos who have about two dozen SKXs. Because that's a collection, a curated collection, but there's overlap a lot. yeah yeah but there's also not right can an orange watch overlap with a black watch i don't know so we have each selected an area of overlap in our watch collections i've selected two i did so yours doubles up yeah i did i did over time and and so i i picked three watches that have really drastic overlap in my collection. In pricing, for the most part, largely, like that's a broad spectrum, but in the way of pricing, in the way of specs, design, application. And that's kind of an issue, not an issue, but that's a topic we want to dive into in order to get to the greater objective of How are we curating our collections? And is there curation of collections? Is it necessary? So, in our first very freeform episode, I'm going to tell you about the three watches that I picked that have the most overlap in my collection. And first up, I have the Islander. 38. 38. The 013.
Everett The 013-esque Islander.
Andrew Yeah, and we've got a black dial, black bezel, 38 millimeter dive watch. Comes on a bracelet. It's just your normal black dialed dive watch. I'm handing it to Everett. Next up, it's got good bezel action. Good bezel action, yeah. Next up, an EMG NEMO. 39 and a half millimeters. I think are they are they square 40?
Everett Yeah, doesn't think it's 40 Black tile black bezel Steel case Is it what kind of steel is it?
Andrew It's 3 1 7 L. Hey upgraded. I Still I'm gonna get on fucking lie. I'm gonna get on about the 316 L steel probably for the rest of my watch
Everett We know. There's exactly one steel that gets used.
Andrew Nobody's using anything else. Darren Tiffany, I think is actually using something else, but it's, it's because of the specs of like just the way he specs out watches. And last up the Orient Mako black dial, black bezel, dive watch. And if you haven't gleaned yet, I've just run you through a list of three black dialed, black bezeled dive watches. I actually don't have any dive watches that aren't black on black.
Everett It's because it is the best color for a dive watch.
Andrew I concur. I found some blues and I'm pretty okay with.
Everett Oh, but orange is more visible at depth.
Andrew I'll never be at depth. If I am, I'm dead. I don't need to see the watch. Maybe it actually could be a safety consideration. Should I sink?
Everett I really liked the idea of those, uh, multicolor. Countdown, uh, Countdown systems, right? Where, you know, you can see it at different depths. I like the idea of it. That's totally impractical for me, but I think it's kind of a neat function.
Andrew Yeah. It's a cool functionality, but so is a slide rule. Both tools that will never have any application in our real life. Depth meter legibility. I'm dead. If I'm so deep that I need a tool to tell me how deep I am, I've gone too far and I'm not going to make it back. Also a slide rule makes no sense.
Everett So, so looking at these watches, you know, I think for me, it doesn't occur to me immediately when I look at them. That is loud. It doesn't occur to me immediately that these are functionally overlapping watches, although in many respects they are. I mean, objectively, black dial tool divers, uh, arguably, arguably the Nemo's a skin diver and not really a true tool diver. Although it fits all the specifications for a, for a full spec dive watch.
Andrew 200 meters.
Everett Yeah. You know, the, the beads of rice bracelet, I think in the modern world makes it dressier, right? It's blingier a little bit perhaps.
Andrew Yeah, but not But not dressy. In the way of traditional, like, dress watches. It's not.
Everett Yeah.
Andrew Yeah. Your brogans, though they look nice and they look fancy, they're not the dressiest shoes you own.
Everett Brogans? Yeah, you're brogued. Brogue, yeah, yeah, yeah. I feel like Brogan is a, is a Polish dude who... No, no, no.
Andrew Your brogued dress shoes, your wingtips, are not your fanciest shoes, though they look
Everett And Brogan, who runs the hot dog stand, also not the fanciest dude.
Andrew Those are called whatever. Fuck off. Continue.
Everett Well, so, you know, when I look at these watches, I can see why you'd have all three, I guess is my point, you know, as between the Mako and the Nemo, I think then when you look at those two, there's really a lot of functional and situational overlap, right? I think those watches are actually pretty similar. Um, But that 38mm SKX, or Islander, yeah. That's a really different feeling watch. So, although there's overlap there, I can see why you might want to have all three of those.
Andrew But do I want to have all three of those? Because I want to have a number 2 Philips with a 1 inch, 2 inch, and 3 inch shank? Which all have different applications but are functionally the same tool. Or is it because they're different enough to warrant having them?
Everett Yeah. Well, I think that, I think that that's sort of where we are in terms of being hobbyists, right? Uh, you know, one of my, one of my examples for tonight, I've got the Hamilton khaki mechanical, uh, and I also have the Pulsar G10 watch. And these watches are actually pretty different, right? So the Hamilton Kakin Mechanical is significantly bigger, upwards towards two and a half, three millimeters bigger in diameter. But you get them on the wrist and they're very, very, very similar. But I want them both because I want both of these watches. I want the Pulsar G10 because I like the Pulsar G10. and I want the Hamilton khaki mechanical because I want that watch. So notwithstanding the fact that these watches are essentially interchangeable in terms of the way I wear them and aesthetically, uh, I still want to have them both. Right. And I think that that's okay. I think for me in this iteration, I want both of these things.
Andrew Why though? What's the, what stands out? So for me, for me in wanting these overlapping watches. Looking at all three of them, I have a clear favorite. The EMG Nemo is, in my humble opinion, one of the, if not the best, under $500 dive watch on the market. Same. Which is no longer available. It's not.
Everett I feel exactly the same way you do.
Andrew It is a terrific design. It's got all the modern flourishes you want in a dive watch with all that vintage inspiration. Killer bracelet. Killer bracelet. Killer dial. Killer bezel. It is not quite as polished, like very literally not quite as polished as the Mako, which I think makes it feel better suited to being a tool watch, but it's still polished enough to fill that void of the dress diver. I like having the really dressed diver too though.
Everett And when you say the really dressed diver, in the make out.
Andrew Yeah. And that's, I feel like this consumer is like this consumer in me of like, I don't just want all the things like I, I really like having a few dozen pairs of shoes so that every day I can wear a different pair of shoes if I want to. And that's kind of the question we're getting at, like the consumerism versus the like actual relationship with the watch.
Everett Yeah. You know, I think that there is, well, there's something else going on here too, at least for me, which is, uh, the desire to have, and this is maybe where it gets a little bit perverse, right? But the desire just to have all the things, right? And I know that that's kind of what you're referring to, but I really want the opportunity to be able to have just lots of things, right? Whether that is pragmatic, and oftentimes it's not. I just want to have lots of things. You know, I was looking at microphones this week. Uh, there's some pretty neat microphones out there. Um, we do not need microphones.
Andrew We've got, we do need microphones, but we maybe don't need new ones.
Everett We've got very good microphones. Uh, you know, we've got microphones functionally that do everything we need that have exactly the soundstage we want.
Everett But I still want more things, right? And this is that perverse thing, I think, that you have to decide at some point where you are in terms of the hobby. Do you want more things because you've got acquisition syndrome? Or do you want more things because you want that thing?
Andrew Are we like clay but refusing to let go of things?
Everett Yeah, there's a chance of that, right? There's a chance of that, that we want to just have the things. We don't want to necessarily experience the things. We want to have them. We want to possess the things.
Andrew So many of the things that I get, like, I mean, we've talked about this before. There's, there's watches that I don't wear that I'm absolutely not going to part with. And, and, you know, we've, we've talked about this even with Mike and Mike and Will. Watches that don't get wrist time, but that bitch isn't going anywhere. So we, we have like, we have these watches, which like any other thing in our life, we create this emotional attachment to a story to it. And the story is what the value is. You know, we've made that watch suddenly a grail in the way of a grail watch being a grail watch. And it's 30 bucks, 80 bucks, 150 bucks, you know, maybe a few thousand, but we don't really like the watch. Yeah.
Everett Yeah.
Andrew We like what it means. And that's where that value for that watch came from. But for me, I could sell a Mako. I could part with it, but I'm not going to part with that. That's my, like really my second really informed purchase. And because of that, I love the idea of that watch.
Everett It's part of your story. The Mako is part of your story.
Andrew But this fucking thing, this piece of metal of 316L steel, doesn't mean anything to me. I could have a hundred of these and it's the Mako that matters, not this particular one because there's thousands of millions of them, but I'm certainly never going to get rid of this watch. And it's, I mean, and even if I wanted to, what am I going to sell it for? 75 bucks? Yeah, maybe. Yeah. Right. Probably not. Probably 75. That's not going to do anything. That's like,
Everett beer for a couple of weeks. It does not move the needle.
Andrew No. So why get rid of it?
Everett Yeah. You know, uh, I, you know, I think it's a, I brought two other watches here, two other overlapping watches I have. And I think that that, I think that this is some context here. Um, I have both in front of me, I've got a Sarb, it's the Oh three, five. So white dial, which is a great watch for a wonderful, wonderful watch. And you had this watch too. Yeah. And then I've got the Orion Hellcat. And although one of these is black dial and one of these is a white cream dial, um, I find these watches to be very, very, very similar in terms of how I wear them. Um, they're different enough that when I look at them, I can understand why I might want to have both of them. But in terms of day-to-day wear, I only need one of these. I do not need both of these in my collection.
Andrew Guaranteed, if they were the same color dial, your wife could not tell them apart. Yeah. That's right. Yeah, that's right. And I'm looking at them like, man, that Orion bracelet is just so money because the bracelet on the Saab is the only weak point.
Everett Yeah. And I actually really like the bracelet on the Saab.
Andrew But in the way of everything else, that's the that's its weakest point. It doesn't have a screw down crown, but you know, fucking whatever. Yeah.
Everett The bracelet is it's I've worn this thing in the shower.
Andrew I would wear it in the pool, but yeah, but that's the bracelets, the weak point. And then I look at that Orion bracelet. I'm just like, Oh man, that's so money.
Everett Yeah. You know, and I can tell you, I, here's why I say this could provide some context. Cause I can tell you, I'm not sure I can tell you because verbalizing is, is not always my strongest point, but I know. That's what you do for money. I know why I like both of these watches and it's different for me, right? Um, you know, this Saab case, uh, you guys, the, the watch clicker guys sometimes make fun of me because I think that this case, I actually think this case is one of the greatest cases ever made.
Andrew I 100% agree. And I don't make fun of you. I just am not willing to also put myself on the line of fire.
Everett You know, this stepped top side of the case is just, I think, totally, totally magical. And... It's also so unique. So unique. So, so unique. You know, when people say, oh, well, this watch is like a Saab or whatever. No, it's not. No, it's not. It's a dress sport watch. Cool. But... It's not like a Saab, you know. And then I look at the Hellcat and... it's a totally different set of things. You know, the engineering, the physical bio, uh, what, what's the word I'm looking for? You know, you know, the way it fits your wrist, the ergonomics, the ergonomics on this thing are just outrageous, you know, and, and the care of the care of design in this watch is so amazing that I love it totally, totally differently, totally differently. then the then the Sarb, you know.
Andrew Can I do a real quick Hellcat PSA slash disclaimer? We're gonna have to figure this out. We are gonna have to figure this out. Here's a bucket of ice. Yeah. And here's a bottle of this Maker's Mark. We're drinking Maker's 46 tonight. This was a housewarming. I'm not gonna pour it for you. God damn it. We're drinking Maker's 46 tonight. This was a housewarming gift from a friend. Thanks, Shlo. So as a PSA slash warning to all you current slash would-be Hellcat owners. Nick from Orion is an engineering genius. The Hellcat is an engineering masterpiece. If you ever take this bracelet off, which in fairness, you don't need to.
Everett You will need to go buy a pair of Supreme Bar Tweezers to get that bracelet back on.
Andrew Yes, the amount of turmoil to try to get in with just a single, even two spring bar tools. I don't think it's even possible. I don't think so either. You need tweezers. His, he, he is the, the, the tolerances, the tolerances in Orion can stand up against and beat any brand on the planet.
Everett You know, I talked to Nick a lot, uh, just throughout the week I talked to Nick. And, uh, when I was looking at spring bar tweezers, I've narrowed it down to like three different pair of tweezers at kind of drastically different price points. There's the version and then there's the, I think it's Horafix or Horatec. One of the two makes a very comparable spring bar tool. That's also very good for about half the price or maybe two thirds of the price. And then there's a tool on AliExpress that looks very similar and probably takes the Horafix. tips. And I'm looking at these three things. And so I reached out to Nick because Nick knows tools. Which of these should I get? And he said, well, I've got the versions. Bergeon, I think. Bergoin. Bergoins. Because I'm a professional. This is what I do. And I needed that tool. And I can write it off. But if I were you, I'd get the Ali ones. It's worth a flyer. And you can always get the new tips. Yeah. And, uh, I thought, well, that's a great idea, you know? And then I said, you know, at the end of this conversation, which is longer than that, but at the end of this conversation, I said, any, any idea why I need these things? And he immediately wrote back and said, Hellcat bracelet. So he knows, right?
Andrew Yeah.
Everett The tolerances on that thing are so tight. It's crazy.
Andrew It's, it is almost a fault. Yeah. There's such a thing as too perfect. And I think he may have achieved it right there. Yeah. Yeah. But it's also so good. I look at the blue one all the time. I'm like, I should get the blue one.
Everett Yeah. That blue one's great. That's a great tile color.
Andrew Cause it's a unique blue. Like I could have more blues. I want a gray tile though.
Everett I think my next acquisition is going to be a gray tile. You should get one of those seals, one of those seal skin divers.
Andrew I was thinking about the, the GM Lang, the kind of gray gilted. Yeah, I'll tell you. I don't know if you can beat the GM Lang at that price. No, I don't think you can. This might be a watch we should talk about on another episode.
Everett Yeah, well, I've got a review. I've got a review of that GM Lang Trail Seeker that's going to be coming out, I don't know, in the next couple of weeks. And it's fantastic. I almost brought it. I almost brought it today for this conversation. Yeah, but you can't count it as overlap. Because I don't own it. Yes, you're right. But I could see myself owning that. in addition to this SARB and this Hellcat, um, even though it would, again, overlap really closely with those two things. So, um, yeah, I guess to get us back, back on topic, I don't see the fact that these watches are incredibly similar to a non watch person. I don't see that as prohibitive.
Andrew Hmm. And maybe that's a good point to bring up. Like the deeper you get into this, And the more, uh, the more depth of knowledge you have, the unique nuances become more important.
Everett Yeah, definitely. I could, if, if I bought an OP 39 say, I don't think that OP would replace either one of these watches on the desk here. The, the Orion or the Sarp. Obviously. It would not, I wouldn't trade one of these for that. I guess is my point.
Andrew Yeah. Yeah.
Everett Even though functionally, even if I got the OP with the same dial color as one of these, or, or, you know, perhaps an Explorer, right?
Andrew Yeah. I think you go the, the what's the one, one, four, that 36. That's the only way you break away from what you're seeing out here. But if you, the two 14, God, I know fucking Rolex references. Yeah. That's weird.
Everett I'm like, I'm like borderline. I'm like borderline about to like call your bluff and make you prove it. I'm joking.
Andrew Nope. It's like a two, six, seven last three, but the one, one, four and two 14 are the differences that 36 and 39. The reason I know this is because I've, I've been really heavily pushing to use, uh, one of these stimulus checks, uh, for a, uh, Rolex Explorer 114, the 30, I don't know if it's for sure if it's a 114, but the 36 millimeter Explorer. Why is not fully on board, but she's not fully off board. I have a very delicate tight rope to walk. I'm about midway through the Grand Canyon. I think I'm losing some balance here.
Everett You're at that point where you've got the screw against the wall and you can't move. You're like changing the battery in the bottom of the screwdriver so that you don't lose the screw. Yeah. Yeah. Okay.
Andrew Yeah. I'm there. I think I'm going to fall and which means not get it.
Everett So this brings, I think this brings us maybe to the bigger sort of overarching idea. Is it okay to have overlap in your collection? You know, we, we talk, we've talked in the past about the exit watch, right? There's not a fucking exit watch for me. And I've found the same to be true for me. I don't want to exit. This is what I want to be doing. I want, which doesn't necessarily mean I need more, but it does mean I'm not interested necessarily in trading my SARB for a Hellcat, even though they do very similar things. I want to be able to have, wear, and use both a SARB and Hellcat.
Andrew Because that's a one inch, Number two Phillips and a two inch number two Phillips. One is not necessarily better than the other. They just serve different purposes.
Everett I don't know that it's that pragmatic for me. Uh, and I'm okay with that. I don't think it's pragmatic and I'm still okay with it. It might be pragmatic slightly, but, but really it's just a matter of wanting the ability to wear both of these watches anytime I want.
Andrew Would, if you had a black Saab, would you feel the same way?
Everett Totally. I would want both of those watches. In fact, I've considered getting rid of my 035 for an 033 Saab. So that's for me. Why not just get an 033? That for me is, I don't need two different Saabs. So that's your line? I think so. I think for me, that's my line. I don't want two DOXAs. I want a DOXA with my favorite dial color. But if I have a Doxa, I'm no longer interested in having another Doxa.
Andrew How do you, so is it a dollar threshold? Do you want a red SNK?
Everett Well, I do want a red SNK, but you can't find those things for shit anymore.
Andrew Do you want a green one? Do you want to, do you want to, do you want to put them on Amazon for like 40 bucks?
Everett Yes. You used to be able to get that red dial when we started collecting Andrew, you and I, you could get that red dial SNK on Amazon for 80 bucks all day, all day. And I never got one. I don't know why. It had a blue strap.
Andrew Because it's stupid. But I love it.
Everett I so wish I had a Red SNK now.
Andrew I'd never wear it, but I want it. Is this acquisition syndrome? Is that what we're falling into? Yeah. Yeah. Or is it curating a meaningful collection of watches that are meaningful to us and also relatively meaningful to horology? And like in the Red SNK specifically. I want that watch because it's a meaningful watch. It's cool. I would never fucking wear it.
Everett Yeah. But you know what? You could put pictures of it on Instagram and, and, and for me, I'm okay with that, right? I'm okay with having a thing that I can show off. That actually, that aspect of this hobby doesn't turn me off in the least. There are other podcasts. We're looking at you, Mike and Kaz. Yeah. That are really very hard on that aspect of this hobby.
Andrew But I'm real jealous of the Grand Psycho. Really jealous. If you want to mail it to me, I swear to God, I'll drive it back to you if that's what you need.
Everett You know, that is a totally reasonable criticism, right? The masturbatory exposition. Yeah. It's a fair criticism. that aspect of the hobby. I feel pretty comfortable with it though. I feel comfortable with having a thing that is just a peacock feather. I'm good with that. I, that part of the hobby doesn't turn me off at all. We're both bonafide luxury watch owners. Bonafide.
Andrew Yeah.
Everett And bonafide.
Andrew Yeah. Cause I, I, I, man, I was like, so ever, borrowed my Atlas for the day. Yes. When he did the Instagram live with Justin. Yes. And I was working that night. Like I worked the night prior, so I didn't participate in the Instagram live because I was just dead tired. So I slept through my alarm. I woke up, I was like, I missed it. It happens. Did my day, went to work. As I was driving home from work, I drive by Everett's car. Because I see it every day when I drive home and his window is halfway down. And I, it took a, it was like an emotional event for me. Cause I was like, you know, I know Everett is a responsible human adult ish. I know he would not leave my watch in his car. I know he's kind of sweating having this watch, like a little bit nervous about having it in his possession right now. But what if he left it in his car last night? And what if it's gone now? It was a stressful 24 hours for me to be separated from, not even separate, because I haven't worn it in, I don't know, a couple of weeks. But it was stressful. I was like, that was an emotional event. Just seeing your fucking window down. I texted you. It's like your window's down. And I wanted to text you, like, is my manta okay?
Everett Uh, you know, it's like that moment when you're standing on a roof of a, say, an office building and you look over the edge and you think, how horrible would it be if I jumped right now? That'd hurt. Yeah. That's a really natural thing that people do. I'm sure that there's a name for it. Right. But where you, the, the worst case scenario goes through your head. Like what if I just jumped or like lost my balance really awkwardly and fell to my death, you know? It's that moment where you see, you saw that window down and you're like, what if not only did he leave the Manta in the car, but he came over and got Cal, put him in a car seat, put him in the back of the car. Now Cal's gone too, right? You know, like I can make a new baby. That's true. That's true. I cannot make a new Atlas. Yeah, no. Uh, obviously I had taken it inside.
Andrew I know, I know you had, that's why I didn't text you about it.
Everett You realize the irrational, but I had, it doesn't matter.
Andrew But what I'm, what I'm saying it like circling back to it being those peacocks, like we have those peacock feathers, both own them. I get as much joy, perhaps more from the Nemo than the Alice. So for me, I don't know if it's just, it's like, there's some acquisition syndrome there.
Everett Yeah.
Andrew I want more things.
Everett Well, and, and I think that that's what makes us collectors and hobbyists. And I mean, I think that that is part of what we're doing here, right? We're, we're experiencing the thing, not just for ourself, but for our place in a community and part of Our place in the community is defined by which pieces we've chosen. Uh, you know, they're, they're merit badges in some ways, right? You know, these are the things that I've chosen to emphasize in my collection. Here is who I am as a collector. These are the, these are the pieces I've chosen to demonstrate who I am as a watch person.
Andrew Does it like, does that extend to the guy who owns a dozen SKXs? yeah who has like a truly curated collection because we there's no curation in our collections we buy the things that we like and we fucking love them and we can't part with them how many watches we sold like three yeah three or four yep i've sold none never won't yeah if i have if if it's in me to buy it there's a reason and i'm gonna keep it
Everett You know, I was talking to Will about this recently. Will and Mike actually.
Andrew And Will Flipps watches like a motherfucker.
Everett You know, I think that it might make sense for me to have two separate collections. And I don't mean actually separate collections.
Andrew Yeah, whole different box. Like one gets to stay in the bedroom, one has to stay in the closet. It's like there's some jealousy there.
Everett But having some rotational collection, right? Because I cannot, like Mike Razack this week.
Andrew Razack.
Everett Razack. Mike Razack. He's going to hate that. Rag check. Mike Razack this week. Uh, he's got watches. He bought, he bought a new Hallios, right? Hallios. I didn't know he bought that. I missed group check. Hallios. Maybe I'm not supposed to say that. Sorry. Sorry, Mike. Uh, he was, he, he, and then, and then Will, I think comes back like 20 minutes later and he's like, yeah, I got it too. And I'm thinking, I cannot impulse buy a $750 watch. I can't impulse buy a $750 watch. It's not a possibility for me. Uh, and so I think the difference is... I can't impulse buy a $20 watch. I think the difference is they've got rotational collection, right? They've got a, they've got collection that's meant to be in and out. And I don't have that. All of my watch purchases have been so thoughtful. And I don't mean thoughtful in any, in any deep sense. I just mean, I've spent so much time making the decision to purchase the watch that I'm not going to let it go.
Andrew Cause I know I wanted this watch, you know, actually I've missed out on watches because I spent too much time thinking about the purchase.
Everett Yeah. That's a real thing. Yeah. It's a real thing.
Andrew Uh, the, the sector field is an example of that. I had the money set away for it. It was ready to pull the trigger. I was just still contemplating on the purchase. And then finally I'm like, you know what? Fuck it. I'm ready. I want this watch. And I go to buy the motherfucker and it's not in stock.
Everett Yeah. Yeah. That's, that's a thing.
Andrew And is that a problem? Like, is that like, am I like, Maybe that's part of my issue in watch collecting is like everything I buy is so well-researched, so considered.
Everett Yeah, I think when you say well-researched, I think that there's maybe a implication that you don't intend there, right? You're not picking, you're not researching the best. This is not like buying the best weed whacker, right? No. You just know that you want it.
Andrew Yeah. And I've spent so much time trying to talk myself out of it that when I'm finally ready to do it, there's nothing left in my thought closet to part with it. You've eliminated any doubt. Yeah. And then when I get it, I'm like, well, yeah, no, that was a perfect purchase.
Everett Right. Yeah. I'm the same.
Andrew Yeah. I just made a slightly impulse watch purchase. I'm not going to tell you about Really? Yeah.
Everett Shit. That feels crazy. Yeah. All right. That's exciting.
Andrew Um, so I'm, I'm going to have it. It'll, it'll land at my house later this week and you guys will see it via text and I'll even jump on the Instagram and new watch alert it. But I made an, I made an impulse watch purchase was not insignificant.
Everett Is it a universe?
Andrew No, but you guys will see it. I mean, I just want you to brew on it and it will actually you, you listeners, I think we'll actually get an opportunity to brew on it. So I will post about it on Saturday. So just brew on my first impulse watch purchase.
Everett So in the interest of having a, uh, in the interest of having a, uh, thesis tonight.
Andrew Yeah.
Everett Well, where's your head at?
Andrew What I wanted to think about tonight was primarily why do we buy what we buy? And does it matter if I have three of the same thing? I have three of the same thing sitting in front of me. I have three black dial, black bezel dive watches. They're a little bit differently sized, differently specced, but I have three of the same fucking thing. But when I look at them, They're Venn diagram overlap. But they're unique. And I think for me, the thesis is what we often circle back to. It's buy what you like. It's not dollar value. It's not what other people like. If you want to collect SKXs, collect them because they're fucking cool.
Everett And we didn't talk about that guy, but yeah, that guy's fine.
Andrew And that guy's fucking awesome because he makes impulse purchases. Like, I don't have that one. Ooh, that one's JDM. That one's from this year. That guy's constantly hunting. Constantly, like, fucking prowling in the dark with binoculars for the next one.
Everett And you know, these things aren't like G-body Chevys or something, right? It's not like they take up a ton of space. Depending on the watch, it's not even like, it's an incredible amount of money, right? If you wanna have 10 SKXs, have 10 SKXs. Send one to me.
Andrew Tell me why they're different, because I love that shit. I want one, but I don't want one. I like, it's kind of a merit badge for me.
Everett No, you do not want it. You don't want, it's not just that you don't want an SKX, you don't want an SKX.
Andrew It's a merit badge for me to not own an SKX. At this point as even though I want an SKX. I mean I fucking own Islander 38 I want a deep blue that means I want an SKX, but it's a mirror badge on my Boy Scout Sash What do they call him?
Everett Boy Scouts don't wear sashes asshole.
Andrew The fuck do they wear? Sure it travels from the left shoulder to the right shoulder. It's got badges on it. That's a sash. Those are those are Girl Scouts So don't Boy Scouts wear the same shit? Where do they put all their merit badges? They have a hundred. They can't just have a shirt made of badge. It doesn't matter. It's a merit badge for me to not know SKX.
Everett I should have some more maker's mark. Yeah. No, I think, I think that that is just as much a part of the collection as anything else, right? You abstaining from SKXs. You are making, you are making a decision in that regard, right? You're making a decision to not define yourself to define yourself specifically as not being an owner of an SKX, right? And I don't think that's uncommon. I don't think.
Andrew No, I think that's a thing.
Everett Yeah.
Andrew I mean, I'm not unique in that.
Everett So yeah. Buy what you like. Buy what you like, right? Love it. And don't be afraid. Don't be afraid to have overlap.
Andrew Make the, if you have all black dials, cause you like black dial watches.
Everett That's me.
Andrew Buy black dial watches.
Everett Yeah.
Andrew If you want a blue dial to throw in there because you like the blue dial M79 or the Q, buy that shit.
Everett Andrew, other things. Tell me what you got.
Andrew I have another thing that you're prepared to hate.
Everett I know exactly what this is and the accusation I made earlier was not fair, but go ahead.
Andrew It's real. We even texted about this unknowingly.
Everett So the accusation, I'll tell you the accusation, I'll lead into Andrew's other thing. I brought this, I brought this thing, this other thing up earlier. Earlier this week? Earlier to yesterday or perhaps even today and said, this guy, this guy probably makes good content, but I cannot watch him. I cannot watch him because is his personality is such a turn off to me. And then you said tonight, this is my other thing.
Andrew So Andrew, I also texted back that I like him. You did. So my other thing is a fella named Rex Kruger spelled just how you think it is. R E X K R U E G E R. Rex Kruger.
Everett Oh, baldy. Rex Kruger.
Andrew We have some things in common. You want to feel my head? I do not want to feel your head, actually. I recently transitioned from a number zero trimmer to just razoring once a week. It looks great. Primarily because a number zero, it just takes more time. Mm-hmm. No, it looks good. A razor is much easier.
Everett So once a week I razor my head. And you're not getting any razor burn or anything?
Andrew No, and you're getting exactly one millimeter of hair difference. You look phenomenal. The only problem is I found on cold nights my beanie which fits tight, slides up. It's like having your condom slide off.
Everett It doesn't grab, huh?
Andrew No, because it's just, so night two, Thursday nights, it grabs. Yeah, got it. Wednesday night, it's just a little, the reservoir is building on my head.
Everett Do you remember that time when we were in college and you had hair? Is that the meanest thing I've ever said to you on the show?
Andrew Well, maybe on the show, yeah. Uh, no, I do. But I also like, I'm balding because I have an excess of testosterone. I'm so manly.
Everett The balding looks good, man.
Andrew You wear it well. Male pattern baldness. For those of you out there who share my affliction, it should also be ADA represented. So Rex Krueger, he has a website. He also has a YouTube channel. Yeah. His YouTube show is called Rex Figures It Out.
Everett And if you've run into him, it's probably on YouTube and not on his website.
Andrew Almost certainly. I didn't know he had a website when I searched for him. I landed on his website. He's a woodworker and he does a lot of woodworking and also kind of adjacent hobbyist type videos.
Everett The reason I got into his videos, and this is like 19th century methodologies, primarily later videos.
Andrew Yes. So he said something in a recent video that I watched. that kind of horrified me. And he said something to the effect of, you know, when I was like you and I was watching videos like this and I got started, it was probably 90% power tools, not some bolts and machines. And then a couple of years into it, I'm like 98% hand tools, like 2% power tools. And I was like, That's scary because that means that I am like you because I'm watching videos like this and the thousands of dollars I have spent on power tools in about two years are going to be collecting dust that isn't derivative of wood. It's going to be a function of not being used.
Everett And you're going to start a podcast about vintage Stanley planers.
Andrew I'm not going to do that. I don't have anyone to talk about with me and I'm not interesting enough in and of myself to talk about vintage Stanley planers, but what I wrote, I'm here for it. I kind of glimpsed into my future, which sucks. Watch clicker is about to become a part of an umbrella of hobbyist corp. Maybe. Whoa, shit.
Everett What's the... We have talked about this seriously before, by the way. We have. Just for you at home.
Andrew What's the Resident Evil Umbrella Corp? Gosh, I don't know.
Everett I'm sorry. Fuck off. I know that Alien is Weyland Yutani.
Andrew Okay, suck it. I think it's Umbrella Corp. It's an umbrella. I don't remember the last part. But Watch Clicker is about to become that because I'm going to I'm probably in about two years going to start a spinoff woodworking podcast. Um, just because of what he said and, and the way he said it, I was like, Oh God, no. Um, but so Rex Kruger on YouTube, on his website, he does bucket loads of woodworking videos that kind of from the old days move from power tools to hand tools. He does some blacksmithing stuff. He brings people in to do blacksmithing stuff. And for someone who's out there looking for the way in to accomplish this task, to do this thing myself, it's kind of fine woodworking, but it's within the realm of I can fuck this up and try again. He's sort of killing it. Yeah. He's got a bucket load of videos.
Everett It's really, really high level information, right? Uh, you know, there's a number of woodworking channels you can watch on YouTube and some of them are very good. Most of them are fine, um, and enjoyable and you'll learn different things. His is very well curated information and it's, and he's super knowledgeable. His voice. Oh, his whole thing. Is un fucking bearable. His voice combined with his face. The way he looks at the camera, I'm like, I can't do it, Rex.
Andrew No, I don't like him. I can't do it. I'm sure I'd like Rex in person. I'm sure. Rex in YouTube, I don't like, but he is kind of high level. So for those of you who are like just looking at getting a miter saw or just like looking at getting a table saw. It's someone else. It's you're absolutely looking for somebody else. But for those of you who have built a machine built power tool, built furniture, for those of you relatively comfortable with dovetails, with biscuit joints, with say moderate to high. Yeah, he's intermediate level for sure. Yeah, I'd even kind of push him to intermediate. Intermediate plus. Yeah, intermediate plus. He's the 300 level college course. You can dive into it. You're going to be a little underwater, but you'll get there. But if you're in that 200 to 300 level range, he's for you. He does some really good shit and I absolutely recommend.
Everett Andrew, have we ever talked about headphones on the show?
Andrew I don't know, a few dozen times.
Everett Really? Certainly. So there is a... We talked about them two weeks ago. You know, we buy recording stuff for the show, right? We buy recording stuff for the show. And it occurred to me pretty recently that the stuff we use to make this show is not necessarily the most functional in any other regard, right?
Andrew No, it's pretty specific to what we do.
Everett With that said, We both have, we have different headphones. And I think that we have two sets of headphones. We have the same headphones. We have two. We are not wearing the same headphones.
Andrew No, obviously I'm wearing mine and you're wearing yours.
Everett They are totally different headphones. So are you convinced?
Andrew Yeah.
Everett Yeah. So we have two. different sets of studio monitoring headphones. And they are the standard. Both of them are the standards, I will say, for studio monitoring. I have got the Audio-Technica. What are these called? The 50XMH or AT50X.
Andrew Uh, and you've got, you've got the Sony MDR 7506 professional 7506 dynamic stereo headphones.
Everett So these are two, if you ever see anyone in a studio recording, they will be wearing one of these two headphones, either the ATH or, or the Sony's usually, and sometimes different. Um, These are not good headphones for listening to music. So between the two of us, we've got about $250 of headphones. And they're not good headphones for listening to music. And I figured this out this week as I was sampling music on these two headphones. And then... You wore my headphones? I did wear your headphones. And then going and listening to the same music on my Ampow I've got some over-ear $70 MPOW headphones, and the music is so much more enjoyable. Now, as between these two headphones, the MDR-7506 and the ATH-M50X's, mine, the Audio Technica's, probably have a little bit more bass profile, and so I think they're a little bit nicer to listen to music on. Yours are very, very crisp. super clean, what they call flat. And actually, for editing the podcast, your headphones are superior.
Andrew I prefer listening to you through headphones.
Everett But for listening to music, they aren't great. So my other thing is a call to action. Because what I want is a really nice pair of Audio listening headphones. And actually, I bought my ATH-M50Xs, my Audio Technicas, for listening to music. Miss. And I think it's a miss, actually, at the end of the day. I don't think that this is the pair of headphones I would buy today for listening to music. So this is a call to action. If you are listening to this today.
Andrew Clay's going to message you right away. We talked about this two weeks ago.
Everett Clay's going to message me. I know Josh Stuff and Watches is going to message me because that guy has all the information about everything. What headphones should I buy? He's Stuff and Watches. He's Stuff and Watches, that's right. What headphones should I buy for listening to the greatest verse of all time, which is Nicki Minaj on Kanye West's Monster? That's for you, Josh. What headphones should I buy for listening to music?
Andrew And then what headphones should he buy to listen to everything else?
Everett I've already got those there on my head right now. AirPods I've heard are pretty good. Andrew. Is there anything you want to add before we get done?
Andrew I like this new studio. The new studio is nice. It's comfortable up here. I don't have to go outside. It is. It's because it's kind of a concave ceiling. It feels cozy. It's not warm. This is the only Hey thanks for joining us for this episode of 40 in 20.
Everett We really appreciate having you. You can check us out on WatchClicker.com. That's where we post every episode of the podcast as well as reviews, articles, tons of good stuff. You can also check us out on Instagram at 40in20 at WatchClicker. That might be too much, Andrew. If you want to support the show, you can do so on patreon.com slash Wardian20. Don't forget to check us back next Thursday for another hour of watches, food, drinks, life, and other things we like.
Andrew Bye. And I'm sorry.