Episode 126 - Sō Labs Interview

Published on Thu, 25 Mar 2021 00:11:26 -0700

Synopsis

This episode features Andrew and Rick from the watch brand Solabs as guests. They discuss the origins and design inspiration behind Solabs, as well as the challenges they faced in bringing their unique watch designs to life. Rick shares his background in architecture and his influences from mid-century modern and postmodern design, while Andrew provides insights into the practical aspects of watch manufacturing. The conversation also touches on their partnership dynamic, future plans for Solabs, and other interests like music and furniture restoration.

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Andrew Roberts	Hello, fellow watch lovers, nerds, enthusiasts, or however you identify. Listening to 1420 The Watch Clicker podcast with your host, Andrew and my good friend Everett. Here, we talk about watches, food, drinks, life and other things we like.
Everett	Everett, how are you? Good, man. I've been drinking all day.
Andrew Roberts	Yeah, we got to do do a big disclaimer tonight. Yeah, this is the first episode we're recording from across the street. So today could get weird. Yeah, Andrew now lives across the street. Yeah, I'm gonna I'm gonna stumble home. My wife is fully aware of it. She said she wouldn't even lock the door, so I don't have to even worry about a key.
Everett	So I've been drinking. I've been drinking fucking hypnotic. Yeah, from 1996. It's actually from now.
Andrew Roberts	I think it's not from 1996, but it's not that that vintage.
Everett	It's not vintage. That's right. But for several hours I've been drinking late 90s rap booze. And so I'm good. I'm solid.
Andrew Roberts	And I've just been drinking beer. But Walked across the street. I expect to stumble home. So big disclaimer here. We might get a little sloppy and we might get sloppy again next week, but until we can kind of find an equilibrium here on consequence free drinking with that. How are you? Wait, wait, wait, wait. I just, so I'm, I'm good. Don't move on. I'm good. I'm great. I'm tired. I'm exhausted. We've been moving for the last two days. So I moved in across the street. Surprise. You were unaware. The moving truck did not somehow just totally was missed. Um, but we can see our front doors from, from one another.
Everett	I feel a little like Kimmy Gibbler though.
Andrew Roberts	Yeah.
Everett	Cause I like, I just come over and I opened the door and everybody's like, Oh, Hey Everett.
Andrew Roberts	That's kind of, uh, I would equate it to like Kramer. You just burst through the door.
Everett	I got to work up my Kramer.
Andrew Roberts	But yeah, we, we are, uh, plugging away on unpacking, uh, probably about 50% unloaded. We have the TV on the wall. That's what matters.
Everett	I'm really bad with percentages. When it comes to moving, I'm bad with the percentages.
Andrew Roberts	We're about halfway there.
Everett	Because when I felt like I was halfway packed, I was actually about 7% packed.
Andrew Roberts	Yeah, no. Packing is one thing. Because you have those drawers. It's like, what the fuck is in here? Why is this in here? So yeah, we're probably about halfway done. We've got a couple of primary rooms complete. And now we're in that find it where everything needs to go to its home. And I have to build some shelving to store the things that need stored because you don't need your Christmas decorations out and on the floor year round. So we're getting there. But yeah, I'd say about halfway. I'll be done hopefully by Wednesday. You're you're insane. I have nothing else to do. I have a TV as a babysitter now. Yeah, that's true. So with that, we have two. We got two guests this week. Yeah.
Everett	We don't do this very often.
Andrew Roberts	We don't because it's usually chaos.
Everett	But we do have two guests this week. And I think, I think this may be, this may be the coolest, the coolest, capital C cool, the coolest watch company out there right now. Uh, you don't have to agree or disagree. I can tell you disagree. Hey guys, sorry. He disagrees. The coolest watch company. We've got Andrew and Rick from Solabs. Andrew, Rick, how are you guys doing?
Rick	Doing fantastic boys.
Andrew Perez	You're doing great. Thanks for having us. Yeah.
Everett	Thank you. Yeah. So we've been talking about this, this episode for a little while. Actually, I think Andrew, we've been talking about, uh, doing this since we had you on the show some time ago regarding your, uh, your other brand, which I think we're not allowed to name that during this episode, right?
Andrew Perez	We can't.
Andrew Roberts	It's a side hustle. Drop it. Drop it.
Andrew Perez	It's my side hustle. Thanks. This is my fun hustle over here.
Everett	Well, Andrew, welcome back. Obviously, welcome back. Friend of the show, longtime friend of the show and fantastic owner of Astro Banks. Welcome back. Rick, your first time on the show. First time on.
Rick	Welcome. Thank you for having me. Pleasure is all yours. More than mine. No, definitely. Yeah.
Everett	It's all my thousand percent percenting. Entirely my pleasure. None of yours. That's how that goes on that show.
Andrew Roberts	That's that's how we like it, to be fair.
Everett	Well, well, so first. The folks listening to the show can't see this. Rick, fantastic office. Thank you.
Rick	All sorts of stuff. It's the only way. It's only way to deal with quarantine, friends.
Everett	Andrew, also fantastic office. 100% sure that it's green screened. 100% it's green screened. An entirely fake office. Really nice choice though.
Andrew Roberts	You're very tasteful green screening. Rick, I do have to say I'm real distracted by the pendulums over your left shoulder. Yeah. They are not in sync. They sync up every once in a while. It's like trying to get the square to bounce in the corner of the screen. I know.
Everett	It's like that George Harrison video. Yeah. I got my mind set. It's like that. It's fucking chaos.
Rick	Then there's the baby one in the corner. The baby one in the corner ticks even faster than right in the middle.
Everett	This is insane.
Rick	It's very distracting. It's chaos. I usually have it on blur when I'm rolling on Google. I half blur the background or it distracts clients.
Everett	No, no, we need the full. We need the full raw dog.
Andrew Roberts	Yep.
Everett	Oh, man. OK, so together, together, you guys came up with and Andrew, we talked about this a little bit last time you were on the show. But together, you guys came up with this idea at some point, this idea. Yeah, that would become so laps eventually. So why? Why don't you just sort of take us back day one? Andrew, you're making watches already as Astro Banks. Yeah. Give us give us Give us the origin story, as it were, of Solabs, how it got started, who's sort of coming up with the seminal ideology here, and how was that happening?
Andrew Perez	Sure. I'll give a little bit of background how Rick and I met, and then how this started. And as far as Solabs, if you can't tell from his office who designed them, Uh, yeah, there's probably, well, yeah, I guess my fake office is kind of colorful too, but no, it's pretty hip. Yeah.
Everett	No, your, your fake office is very, so labs. Yeah. Yeah.
Andrew Perez	Thank you. Yeah. Um, but, uh, yeah, so Rick and I met, uh, through our local red bar Chicago, um, chapter here and, uh, you know, two watches and, um, him and I, and a couple other guys are in a group chat together where that we've been for a couple of years now. And so that's, it's a disease. That's, so that's how we met. Um, And then Rick approached me with an idea for the company that he basically now runs. But he he he works for a creative agency and he can tell you more about it than I can. But every year they do a gift for their clients. And it's always something that you probably is not your typical client gift. And so they come up with it. It's not like a box or whatever. It's it's usually a little bit. Yeah. Yeah. More funky than that. Yeah. Yeah.
Rick	And he'll he'll tell you this was our 20th. It was our 20th anniversary. So we wanted to push and do something a little bit bigger. And yeah, it was funny because if I had said, oh, we should do a watch for our clients, our owners would have just been like, OK, Rick, we know you you have an issue and you're obsessed with these things. But, you know, we're not going to do that. Thankfully, our other director of marketing who runs like, you know, plans for the gift every year, she goes, Rick, we should, you should design a watch. I was like, Claire, this is why we're friends. And sure enough, then, you know, the idea then kind of came to fruition really quickly of like, yeah, we absolutely do should do something. And I'm like, and I know exactly the guy to help us do it. And we can make it basically in an agency EA, which is where I work. I'm president at EA. We've been around for 22 years now, basically run the full gamut for Brand experiences, live activations, as well as virtual stuff, all that good stuff. So we're having our 20th. I reached out to Andrew. I said, all right, we've got to design and send a watch to our clients in six months. You good? Like, yeah. Was that cool?
Everett	Hey, can we do this? Bet you can't. Hey, Rick, have you have you listened to? Have you listened to Andrew's episode that he did on 40 and 20 regarding Astro Banks? No. Yeah. Well, you should. He's like, so look, this fucking asshole calls me and he's. He's like, this guy is like, can we make a watch in six months? And I'm like, what the fuck are you talking about? So I mean, I think you guys are good now. I think you guys are good. You could you should listen to it because we we had we had a good chuckle about that at the time.
Rick	Oh, that's so good. Yeah, he was like Andrew. Andrew, both as a friend and a business partner, is a very calm and easygoing guy. OK. So when you ask him, like, Hey, can we do this in six months? Yeah, you know, that's gonna be that's gonna be pretty tough to do, you know, just real chill. Then I start giving him designs. All right, let's let's take this to the main some of the manufacturers. Let's talk to them. Let's see what they think. comes back. Yeah, they pretty much said this isn't you can't do that. You can create a gradient on the day and day state disks on this movement. It's not going to work Well, that's bullshit. I know we can make it work. Now I'm sitting there with a tweezer and a vinyl piece of, of, you know, paper trying to apply it myself. I'm like, I don't, I don't know. Basically a sticker. Yeah. Yeah.
Everett	One of these dots, one of these stickers, right?
Andrew Roberts	Turns out maybe you can't do this.
Rick	Yeah. All right. All right. Fine. Andrew. All right. All right. You're right. You're right. This is what we should do. So I usually am starting with some kind of idea, whether it's the dial, the case, how we present, you know, have done the handset and You know, we've learned, I think that was kind of the, the exciting thing about this was we first did that watch with, uh, EA and we did launch it. Um, I think we were only like three and a half months late, which that's pretty good, right?
Andrew Roberts	I mean, when your target is six months, that's not great.
Rick	Yeah. They were getting their Christmas gift in the beginning of April. Cry me a river.
Everett	That is the coolest Christmas gift, right?
Rick	They got, yeah. I mean like, and, and, you know, we got a lot of nice pictures back from our clients all wearing them. And throughout the process, though, we really said like, hey, maybe we turn this into something real afterwards and, you know, alter the design slightly. But it's getting some good reception from people. We should dabble with it and definitely also do some automatic models, which is kind of what we're underway working on right now, like for the next round of prototype with that. But I was like, all right, yeah, but let's start with the quartz. And, you know, it's like we've we've been watch nerds fans, you know, like you said in the intro, you know, Andrew, like since the, since forever, but rarely are we like, yeah, I'm really pumped about this next quartz piece that I'm picking up, you know? So this was always meant to be something fun that ended up being a gift for somebody, or just like, I'm going to go junk around outside today. And I just want something that's going to make me smile that I'm not going to worry that I'm going to ding up and beat up, you know, even if it is, you know, I don't know, worth beating up. But yeah, anyways, that's kind of the background story of where this fruition.
Andrew Roberts	And so in that story, what I'm gathering here is that, Rick, you are the huge idea. Like, we can do this. And Andrew's very much like, OK, let's maybe dial it back. Just a little bit so we can actually do it. The practical one. So how does that how does that partnership work? And and I think it's it's really apparent in the super fun design that that really nobody else is doing because you guys are doing something huge and awesome and crazy, very off the wall, but in a really, really meticulous way. And it's so cool to see those two personalities shine through. in this design. And I just wonder, I'd like to hear more about your design process, like how those clashing personalities have come together in this like really beautiful harmony that is the SoLab.
Andrew Perez	So I'll start a little bit. The design mostly, I mean, the design is Rick and that's his main part of this whole partnership is he's going to design something that I for sure would not design because it's just not my style. to a The fucking design unacceptable 100% Oh, yeah, it was 100% custom everything.
Rick	I'm like any are any of these things off the shelf man. He's like the buckle He's like maybe No, even the buckle we did even the buckle we etched but I think the crown I think the crown was it that was the only I also told him make sure you have a plan b
Andrew Perez	Because I'm pretty sure it's not going to hit. This isn't going to work. I'm pretty sure this is going to work. I was in his office every week. Every week I would go to his office and basically tell him, yeah, this isn't working. This isn't working. This isn't working. And his marketing director, it's just like, so what are we going to do? I'm like, I said, you guys need a plan B from the beginning. So just make sure you have a plan B. unless you're guys are cool with waiting, because it's just gonna, we're just going to have to wait any little change you make to a custom, a whole custom watch is takes a month or longer to go and redo it. So, um, yeah, so that's, that's basically what happened. And he's like, ah, fuck it. We could do it. And I'm like, all right, cool. So that's how we ended up there.
Rick	We went for it. We went for it. It was late, but it was worth not giving up because yeah. But I mean, it's funny because that same that same thing then happened again, where it was like, all right, now we're we're going to do this. We're going to launch the brand. Let me work on some names. And we kind of got to the soul. So labs came from like I was thinking about I'm like everything about this watch was always about layers, layering, the layering of time and different colors and different like kind of always changed perspective. And that's why even even with a die cut, you know, originally, so you know this and then can understand where we're hopefully leading to with the next watch and with the automatic. The reason for that die cut to the, you know, basically seeing the quartz movement, obviously it's not the prettiest thing in the world, but that was also what we were wanting to get across was like the full transparency through the case, through the dial, and now hopefully with the layer two, being able to also have day and date discs that have some patterning on it that align on different dates or move in different We've been trying gradients for a long time. And that's been, again, he's been telling me no on that for forever. But when we switched and kind of moved into, all right, let's launch the company. All right. We took some time, like worked out our color palette, you know, color palettes that we wanted to use and figured it would like, all right, cool. We'll just roll right into production. But just tiny little changes, the ones that we made to just alter it for just the more, you know, what we wanted it to end up looking like for our brand took what? Another Another eight months on almost another year. And then, uh, you know, we, we, we ended up going to wind up and, um, Andrew had a table for Astor and banks and hey, you guys remember, you guys remember back in the day when they didn't wind up?
Andrew Perez	Oh my God.
Rick	That was fun. You look at the pictures and you're like, look at these jerks.
Everett	They're not even wearing masks. Do you guys do that thing where you see someone like shake hands in a movie and they're like, well, what are these irresponsible assholes are shaking hands?
Rick	It's true. It's true. Terrible. I find myself judging commercials now, too. Like, look at this bullshit. This clearly is either old or they're fucking up because there's no social distancing and there's no disclaimer.
Andrew Perez	No disclaimer.
Everett	Yeah. So I'm sorry to interrupt you. You know, sometimes I just like to interrupt.
Andrew Perez	That's all good.
Everett	Yes. So you guys go, you guys go to, you guys go to, to wind up.
Andrew Roberts	Well, Andrew goes to wind up, has a table.
Rick	He had a table. So we reached out, they're like nicest guys and said, sure, you could split it. But, uh, he doesn't get, you know, so labs doesn't get a banner. And I was like, I'll pay for the banner. I, you know, don't problem. No, you guys can't have so we didn't really have a table. I kind of had this like, you know, it was fine, but it was a kids table at Thanksgiving. It was like, we're gonna put you closest to the exit, because no one's gonna steal these if they run into the building. So we'll keep you there in the corner. And, you know, it was it was great, because we got to, you know, kind of show the watches for the first time. And we're really hopeful that we'd be shipping them by, I think we were told it was going to happen by like Valentine's Day, Valentine's Day, beginning of March at the latest. Well, that was March 2020 of COVID. So yeah, we didn't get the watches, I think until August. Right. Yeah. And then we had to run QC on all of them. And some of them weren't exactly up to snuff. It's I mean, for those of you, you know, you guys know this and anyone listening, the process to actually designing and bringing a watch to fruition and manufacturing it is insane. And then even when you get it, I mean, and that's where, again, going back to me and Andrew, where sometimes he's like the meticulous, serious one. Sometimes I am. And I think that's also complimented the relationship because we focus on different things, like certain things. I'm like, nah, that's fine. And he's like, no, it's not. And then it'll flip flop, like, like the foam inside of the packaging of the box.
Everett	Yeah, you know, hey, listen, Rick, nobody talks about this shit on the show. So you're you're a not watch guy. Tell us about that. Nobody wants to talk about this stuff on the show because it's not sexy. And it's not, but, but, but tell us about this. Right. Cause this is an important thing. And I think the, the who listened to this show. Yeah. I'm talking to you. Uh, they, they are like, you know, these are the guys that are like, well, that watch would be, that watch would be great if they wouldn't have done this or that, you know, uh, there's so much stuff that we. We, the assholes, I'm one of you guys too, just by the way. We both are. That we don't get about this process. So tell us, right? Cause I want to know. I can, I can feel you sort of gravitating away from it. Don't gravitate away. Tell me what's happening here.
Rick	Yeah.
Andrew Perez	I mean, like one of them was like. I fucking hate Rick.
Andrew Roberts	Cause he calls me on all my shit.
Rick	The packaging. Okay. I love the Petri dish packaging. We designed all that to design all the inserts, try to minimize the thickness to exactly what we want and all that really wanted the experience of, you know, the watch and the quick release straps to go right onto it and that whole deal. But then when we got them, I was kind of like, I kind of wish the foam was a little bit squishier. Now we had gone through like three different types of foam.
Andrew Perez	No, Andrew, we have over 10 prototypes of foam just for the packaging of a phone. And the petri dish too, because I was picky about that a little bit, but the foam, he was more picky about the foam.
Andrew Roberts	So when you want it more squishy, are you talking like more, more give? Are you talking more stuff?
Rick	Yeah. Here's what I'm talking about. Okay. I, because one day I come to my house and I see a piece of just a scrap of foam on the table. I've got three kids. They're both The oldest is six.
Andrew Roberts	So, you know, no, it's you got your picture. I was wondering why you have foam on the table. Now it tracks. Yeah.
Rick	Yeah. The house in quarantine. So there's a piece of foam. I pick it up. I'm like, this is the fucking foam we need.
Andrew Roberts	I send him a picture of like, he's going to be able to engineer this foam from the picture.
Rick	This is the stuff, Andrew. This is the foam that we need. I don't know where he's like, where'd you get it? I'm like, I don't know. It's just sitting on the table.
Andrew Roberts	You're interrogating your kids.
Rick	Where are they? A couple of days later, we stumbled into the laundry room and I'm like, it's the fucking Mr. Clean and Magic Erasers that I bought last week. This is what we need, Andrew. We need Magic Eraser quality giz to the foam to take these out.
Andrew Roberts	So at this point, you had already selected a foam.
Andrew Perez	Yeah, we have. OK. it's
Rick	dude, if we get new fucking foam, I will swap them out myself. I don't care because honestly, here's how I think of it. Okay. Even for something that is relatively inexpensive, our watch is inexpensive. Okay. Is it as cheap as a swatch? No, but also swash actually doesn't take the effort in certain aspects of like a detail of what we tried to do with these things. And I still think I said to him, I'm like, look, We're going to be putting out another watch, though. We're going to put out an auto that's going to be more money. And for anybody who buys even the cheap one, I want them to feel the quality of even the packaging of what we're doing with this stuff, because I want people to want to keep those and not toss them. Most of the stuff that I get that's cheap, you save your expensive watches, you put those boxes away because they've got some value to the whole thing. Yeah. Cheap watches gets tossed. OK, unless you're going to flip it in the near future, you know. But otherwise, like who's keeping G-Shock boxes?
Andrew Roberts	Andrew keeps like the... I have an F-91 box and papers, which is just an instruction manual.
Rick	I got a shoe box of G-Shock boxes in my fucking car. No, I do. But that's because I like that.
Andrew Perez	You know this guy isn't getting rid of shit.
Rick	I appreciate good packaging. The G-Shock boxes are actually, those are good packaging.
Everett	Well, look, so looking at your office here, I'd like to talk a little bit, right? You've got your My Pet Monster in the corner, right? Nobody can see this eclectic. I got the fucking cuffs. Yeah, you got the cuffs. Those things always get lost, right? So, you know, you've got this very eclectic, this very eclectic office. design, sort of capital D design in every corner of this office, right? And furthermore, I made a comment. Not every square, not every corner, every square inch. Every square inch, right? And so, you know, I made a comment, well, it looks like there's some, maybe some celebs prototypes back there. And he said, no, no, no, those aren't, those are vintage, right? So why don't you talk to us a little bit about the design, you know, what you were going for. what you how you came up with this, this is clearly a new design, but I think there's some inspiration there. So So where did you get? Where did you? How did you get to this? So labs design this original?
Rick	So let's just absolutely. Yeah, that's um, so a couple things. Andrew mentioned it, but I've been collecting stuff since I was like, 14 years old years old. Yeah, I mean, like, I Yeah, as soon as I was able to get an eBay account, it was it was lights out. I mean, I was having shit shipped to my house from Germany, Switzerland, when I was like 15, sending out money orders from Western Union, my parents had no idea what was going on. And I was always like, just fascinated with furniture, lighting, mid century stuff all the way trickling then up through the 80s. And have just still like a deep affinity for even like 80s toys, which is like a bunch of that corner and just things that I felt like the the design period in which they're in so much is about just like jumping your mind back not just for the design but also for just like the materials that were common in that point of time and what people were doing and what people were using and what they they liked and my background I went to school in architecture which is part of the problem because then I'm 3d modeling shit and sending in he's like Yeah, this is this is going to be a manufacturing issue. I'm like, all right, I don't. Yeah, why don't you let's figure it out. Cool. So I mean, but for the for from the design side, I think, like, especially with with clocks and like plastics, I think plastics are they're always they've got this. So at least in furniture and and like goods, it always there's two types. There's the throwaway plastic. And then there's the plastic that you're like, I almost wish you weren't plastic because I want you to last forever. Because it's got that.
Everett	Like sexy thermoplastic stuff.
Rick	Yeah, that perfect, like the color explodes. It's super glossy. It's kept its look even after, you know, multiple years after being, you know, birthed in the seventies. What did they make?
Everett	The, the chairs, you know, the, the chairs that every classroom in the eighties had that plastic.
Rick	Oh yeah.
Everett	that
Rick	I usually, I usually straddle it like a desk so I could use it for like writing and stuff.
Everett	I'm sorry, you guys at home, we'll try to put a link to whatever the fuck that is.
Andrew Roberts	Text us a picture of that.
Everett	Yeah, shoot us a picture or a link to that.
Rick	I'll send you a picture. Yeah, that's Luigi Colon. This was actually, this is from the 70s. This is the first rotationally molded piece of plastic furniture ever made, which was like, at that point they, they, they mastered injection molding. This was the first time they could, spin the whole piece of furniture while the plastic shots in the side.
Everett	Anyways, I've had an interest in that stuff for a long time.
Andrew Roberts	It looked like a sex furniture thing.
Everett	It did look a little bit like sex furniture.
Andrew Roberts	There's not really any sure way to sit on that thing.
Andrew Perez	It definitely does.
Everett	That's like a cunnilingus chair. Oh God, dude. Yeah, nobody's denying it. Nobody is denying that that's what it looks like. I want to be clear.
Andrew Roberts	The owner of the chair isn't denying. He's like, yeah, that could work. You ain't wrong.
Everett	Yeah, all right. Fair enough. All right, so maybe we probably better talk about the watches. The chair is a fascinating though.
Andrew Roberts	When you're moving into plastic watch design, did you run into any issues with manufacturers not either being ready to equip to, did you have an issue shopping around for manufacturing for a new watch material? Cause everyone, every watch manufacturer knows how to work with steel. Does, did everyone know how to work with plastic? No way.
Andrew Perez	Yeah, that wasn't very difficult. Um, I, I, because I've had some manufacturers that I've worked with and I've, you know, not a ton, but I've worked with a few, um, plastic watch cases, not anything that's hard to do. Um, It's more the hardest part for this watch, other than the date disc trying to do what we wanted to do there, or the hands, the plastic, you know, disc hands. Those were the hardest part to be able to print, especially with the designs that he was coming up with.
Everett	And it's not just a matter of making hands the right size, right? There's weight and torque and all that.
Andrew Perez	Exactly. Yeah.
Rick	And so... The right size was a pain in the ass, too, to meet the exact diameter, hands and discs are made at different places and getting it perfect was it took a couple tries.
Andrew Perez	Yeah, yeah. But, but yeah, that's, that's, that was the hardest part. The plastic case was easy. Luckily, it wasn't that difficult. And so that was, as you can tell, I do in this relationship, I do most of the work with the manufacturers and do that kind of stuff where and Rick comes up with the designs and a a a
Rick	all my favorite stuff. I feel like, I feel like in general, being around just little things that, you know, inspire some level of designer that somebody executed really well. It, it, it helps. I think when you're striving to be creative yourself or looking for just the little details of things that other people did, not so much to mimic it, but to just kind of get into the brain of what were they trying to accomplish with this exact thing. And, And now what is that for me? Like, what is that for us and what we're doing? And I think that's actually been the trickier part right now of moving from the layer one to the two because of the hands, because specifically right now, what we're working on is getting the minute, the minute hand is a little bit easier to cross over, at least from our current design into what we want to do with layer two. But our hands totally different because you've got these floating dots really that are fading into nothing on the disc. that's a tricky thing to try and replicate when you're now working with bronze handset that's painted and the limitations of just trying to really actually remove material to get lightness while still having this like form that is relatively like dominant for the dial. I mean, when you look at it, the hour hand is like almost like a micro rotor sitting on the front of the dial, but it's your slowest moving, you know, object on it. you don't want it to be super heavy or you're going to lose some of the goal of the whole watch, which is just more transparency and more kind of layering of color through what you're looking at.
Everett	You know, when you glance at it, would you mind Rick, would you mind talking to us a little bit about sort of your specific design inspiration? You know, again, we're looking into this office, right? That the folks at home can't see. And I can, I can know a ton about you, your sort of design, philosophy is just looking at this office. But these folks are not going to have, folks at home are not going to have that benefit. Can you talk to us just a little bit? Obviously, there's some German happening there. I mean, who and what periods, what people, where are your design influences coming from?
Rick	Yeah, absolutely. So a couple different periods. Werner Pantin is probably, he's always been like biggest life inspiration, even to get into architecture, switching into design. I originally was doing, I was going to school for econ, business major, trying to focus on mergers and acquisitions. I literally switched gears and, and applied to go into architecture literally because I was just so, I had been so just fascinated by specifically Werner Pantin's influence in plastics in the sixties, but mostly in color. And, uh, I've got a number, like that big piece in the corner is his, this chair is his, I got some lamps and fabrics throughout my house.
Everett	You know, there's a thing happening in Germany post-World War II, and I think that not everybody really understands, but all of the things that are design, aesthetic, cool today were designed in this sort of a vacuum in Western Germany. You know, if you add up, you know, your grocery list on your iPhone, it is literally a design from a dude in fucking West Germany in 1960, because the greatest artistic brains of all time are happening. So I'm glad you I'm glad you I'm glad you said that. And I'm seeing that in your office. And I just want to talk a little bit about that.
Rick	Yeah, I mean, in general, I think that period it was like, and that was what I was getting at earlier, just mentioning, you know, the use of plastics and how it was actually starting to get fully integrated into furniture, into lighting and getting into more experimental with that, where they were, the forms and a lot of the things that were created were actually still really tied to geometries that are familiar in both nature and just the most basics of, you know, you know, what you see in Alan Silberstein work, you know, the most basics of it, which then, you know, kind of the jump between that period, which I have a lot of inspiration and just like personal love for, as well as then just postmodernism and the things that kind of came with the Memphis movement. So Memphis kind of same period, but in Italy, you know, I love the Scandinavian design work and the stuff coming out of Germany. The moshing of those mixed with then what you got in a postmodernism, which a lot more closely tied into what you saw in architecture. Yeah. A lot of them feeling kind of just ugly and awkward and almost like, why, why am I still staring at this thing? Even though I thought it was ugly at first glance, but there's some kind of tie back to it.
Everett	And when you start comparing and you know, these artists that are like, this is not good, but it's fucking awesome.
Rick	But it's really awesome. And it's almost that that primitive side to have like basic shapes mixed with colors that, you know, come together through, you know, unique harmonies. And I was I was scanning through a lot of Joseph Albers work to like when we first kind of started this process, just to be thinking about some of those color theories and the harmonies that are drawn from it. Now, obviously, we've gotten so much more advanced, even with systems that Adobe's put together and other, you know, designers and, and people kind of looking at color theory, and just the impact that you can end up having by bringing together really simplistic forms. And that's why even with our dials, we don't want brand, I don't want branding on the dial, I never do. Even from the markers, keep them really simple. And then let the colors be something that are super exciting and complimentary paired with then shapes through the hour and hands that again are kind of tied to both some of the things that you'd be seeing in all those periods.
Andrew Roberts	Okay, so I love this topic, but I gotta I gotta ask a question because we're not running short on time, but we got to move along a little bit. We got so much time. We have all the time we want. It's our podcast. So how do you how do you go from architecture to watches. Where does that transition happen from architecture to consumer good design?
Everett	Andrew, is it weird that I think it's the most obvious thing in the world?
Andrew Roberts	I wanna hear about the thought process behind it.
Everett	It's funny because I wanna hear about the thought process too, but I also think it's the most obvious thing. I mean, you know what the most obvious thing is?
Andrew Roberts	Do you want me to stop talking? Is how much this fart is gonna stink in a moment. That's gonna be the most obvious thing.
Everett	You're getting what you deserve.
Rick	So let's hear it. No, it is a good. You better be careful because he's got hypnotic brewing in his stomach.
Andrew Roberts	We had enormous burritos for dinner. Enormous burritos and hypnotic.
Andrew Perez	Nice. Classy meal.
Everett	Seafood burritos, you guys.
Andrew Roberts	Mine wasn't. Mine was shredded beef. No joke.
Everett	I had fried crunchy jalapeños and shrimp. Wow. Rick, you're on.
Rick	That sounds delicious. I think, honestly, it's, you know, one of the most important things about architecture. And typically this is not what most builders are thinking. So going back to like the true, you know, sense of what an architect is trying to accomplish is trying to create a unique human experience within a space. And ideally, it's not one that feels like it's replicated every time a person engages with it. So the most traditional boring office buildings you're not going to feel that. But the architecture that actually makes you stop is the stuff that makes you almost engage with it, whether it's through sight, whether it's through pausing in time and space to appreciate it, as well as then finding new perspectives when you're inside of that architecture, whether outside or inside to stop and like appreciate it for what, what came from behind it. I think in general, like, and that's not just about talking about our watch, but watches in general, there are things that elicit some feeling of emotion. It's even better when it's tied with like a moment, whether it's like the, you know, birth or of your kid or a wedding or some special, you know, giving of a watch to tie to that. But I think in general, it's about, it's about, um, feeling some level of connectedness, whether so to architecture, that is like what you're trying to create a place for you as an individual or multiple human beings to appreciate and experience a space. With watches, it's super, I think, individual and personal. And like people who just buy watches for, you know, to floss and like, that's really what the game is. I think that's a waste of time. Watches should be fully personal. I think you'd have way more interesting collections out of people if it was that way. If they were truly just buying what they thought was cool and what they were really drawn to. And I think that's, you know, what you're trying to create. Like, I don't, Ultimately, yeah. Would I like to have a lot of people purchase Solabs watches? Sure. But ultimately what I really want is people who wear them and are like, I fucking love this thing. This is so fun. When I put it on, it's, it's really fun for me. And maybe somebody else checks it out and is like, what do you got going on there? But ultimately it's so when you glance down, there's something fun. And like, I get that every time I wear specifically the, the Emerald Rhino piece, just because I'll wear that outsider. If I'm driving, And when you when it's a sunny day and you hit that underpass and the whole dial just lights up under, you know, it's fucking awesome. And that's for me. That's just for me.
Everett	You know, you know, I work I work professionally with a lot of architects and general contractors both. So so one of the things I do is work with GC architect groups. In fact, that's specifically what I do. And it's interesting because when I hear Rick talking about design and, you know, the experience And then I see, which you guys can't see at home, but then I see Andrew kind of looking down his glasses a little bit skeptically about the pragmatic realities of this, this life. This is the perfect pairing you guys. Right. And, and right. You need, you need these things. One, you need someone who's willing to sort of beat on the door of what's possible. You know, I recently had a Chinese OEM told me that you can't use an acrylic crystal in a watch with more than 30 meters of water resistance, right? That's not true. Which is not true. Which is not true, right? We know that's not true. But you need someone who's willing to say, I want to do more than what you're willing to do. You're not willing to do enough. I want to do more than that. And you also need someone with some practical understanding of physics and, like, things that control our lives in a meaningful way, right? You know, so I can see that. I can see that happening here, and I'm really appreciative of it. It's a really fun dynamic to watch you guys talk about watches together like this.
Andrew Perez	You should see our text chains.
Andrew Roberts	Imagine a lot of facepalm emojis.
Andrew Perez	Yeah, yeah. Now, you know, the funny thing is it's for us. I because I know what these manufacturers can do, you know, and the other thing, too, is you've got to think about the price point, right? So like, OK, is there. Yeah. Is there somebody out there that can make this that we want? Probably. MB&F could do this. Right. How much is it going to cost? Right. Exactly. That's exactly.
Rick	Those are the two things where, okay, yeah, this is what we're paying hands out of glass, Rick. I'm sure somebody could find an ultra thin glass and do it, but can we just stop talking about that? Let's, let's go all the way.
Andrew Roberts	Let's go straight diamond. Like why not? Unbreakable.
Andrew Perez	Yeah. That's just diamond cut. Yeah. But no, it's, it's, it's, uh, it's a really cool thing because, um, I, Like myself, and it took me a while to figure out that I love design, like just to think about design in my life. But when I think about the stuff growing up and stuff that I've always liked and stuff that I still buy today, everything is about design, right? The shoes that I buy, shoes that I still buy, that I still look at buying. I love buying jackets. I have I don't know how many fucking jackets. And everything that I love, has to do with design. You know, I was looking at iPods, the first iPod I bought, and, um, I went to eBay cause I wanted to buy it again because I love it. I think it was like the second or third generation with the red lights that lit up and the, just the hue of that red is what, um, made me absolutely love that iPod bright white with this like beautiful red hue and thinking about those things. You know, when I started doing watches, I've always loved military watches and usually that's black and white. You know, it's not super colorful or super fun. So when I met Rick and I saw his office and then we, and this just kind of happened, I was like, this is awesome because I get to do that too. Now I get to enjoy, I get to see somebody else doing something that I'm like, I would have never thought about that. You know, I would have never come up with the design that would be anywhere near this. So it's really cool to be able to, the to eBay or other things.
Rick	Buy this one. Buy this one, please. I can't buy another clock, please. I don't have any room.
Andrew Perez	So it's a really cool dynamic.
Andrew Roberts	How has this partnership affected Astor & Banks design, methodology, development in a design forward way? I mean, or do you keep these keep these ventures pretty well separated from one another? Or where is that? Is it influencing the Astern Bank side of you, Andrew?
Andrew Perez	I would say no. We keep it pretty separate. I do run things by Rick now, though, which is nice because he can help me with a lot of different things that I can't do. But yeah, we keep it pretty separate.
Rick	You know, with Astern Bank, plus we wouldn't trust the other assholes in our group to get their comments, so that helps. That helps.
Andrew Perez	Right, right. it's You know, there's like what with my watches now, when the Sea Ranger came out, it was very different from my older stuff. And my older stuff was probably a little bit. I don't know, it was I mean, it was highly wise. Yeah, yeah, it was just different.
Everett	I didn't say that. Andrew said that.
Andrew Perez	Yeah. Yeah. OK.
Everett	Yeah. No. Right. But right. You you developed a certain aesthetic. I think that the Sea Ranger and the Fortitude sort of adhere to a certain aesthetic and It's cool. I think the Sea Ranger is probably a little bit more adventurous than the Fortitude, but the Fortitude's not supposed to be adventurous. In fact, I said to someone at some point, I kind of wish it had the asymmetric case. And they were like, no, that's not that watch. That watch shouldn't have asymmetric case.
Andrew Roberts	I said that. That was me. You said it to me. I said that.
Everett	I don't remember. I don't remember these things.
Andrew Perez	I thought about, actually, when I first, my first little drawing of it was with an asymmetric I just wanted a pared down, like, cleaner version of the Sea Ranger, and that's what the Fortitude ended up turning into. But anyway, going with SoLabs, part of the name, or the So, which means layers in Japanese, and then labs, we were thinking about, like, I really wanted to have labs in there because I didn't want to just be like, we're a watch company, that's it. the fact that the fact that
Everett	Yeah. How does one get one of these?
Rick	Are they on the website? We lasered them and then literally I would sit there at my kitchen table with a razor blade, just pulling off the backside of the, you know, plastic backing to reveal just what I wanted. So I could, I hand sprayed them in my garage. My wife was going to murder me because it smelled like death coming into our house. And, uh, I mean, they turned out so cool though, but we basically were like, we can't, we can't, uh, you know, bring these to mass production.
Everett	We actually, turns out we can't do this.
Rick	Yeah. Turns out this isn't going to work.
Andrew Roberts	I mean, so you made at least, you made more than one. How does one go about getting rid of those?
Rick	Uh, you know, maybe a custom order and we could laser and create some more. Cause they're, they're, yeah, they're intensive. I would say like, if I do them again, I would make another five in a row, but probably do the same color at the same time. Because doing five different clocks, all the different color combinations, I mean, I was like numbering spray paints, like one through 20, because even the peaches and pinks, I have like seven different spray paints to hit all the different ones, depending on the combo. So it was that was pretty, pretty horrible. Going back to one thing, though, one, the question you just asked, Andrew, is funny, because reflecting on it right now, I'm thinking how When I came, I shared like, I don't even know, a hundred different color combinations. And there were ones that I had like favored. And Andrew just was like, yeah, we definitely got to do something that's more like mint or teal, like that kind of color. That's Turkish coral is where we landed on that. And it was like, yeah, we got, we got something peachy kind of pink and that salmon fandango. But it's funny because I don't think those colors then inspired going with the mint in the fortitude, I actually think it was coming out of him earlier into the solar watches. And then it showed up later in the fortitude just as like, Oh, people do think this color don't because Turkish coral sold has sold great. Like it's people like a lot of people have really loved that color. And it's funny because No, it's in the AB watches, but it kind of came first there. It just wasn't done yet. You know what I mean?
Andrew Perez	Well, actually, if you go back to my Instagram, I had made a mint dial about three years ago, and I posted it on my Instagram because I wanted to do more color. I just, like, that one didn't work out. So when I did the Fortitude, it definitely, and obviously when then we did the Solabs, I was like, okay, this is going to look awesome. And then so that that was there. But I've been wanting to do a mint green and for a very long time. And that was that mint color specifically is because I love a vintage Vespa. That's like that green.
Andrew Roberts	Right. Yeah.
Andrew Perez	Kind of that. That's where that that inspiration of the color came for me, because I just love those.
Everett	OK, so on the website right now, we've got the version one, the layers one, 1.1, 1.2, 1.3. I think they're all still available right now. So we've got five of the quartz version. I know you guys have been working now for about a year on the mechanical version. What's timeline on that? That's the manufacturing guy. Andrew, please.
Andrew Perez	So we've already gone through two prototypes of automatic and now we changed it. We changed it again. We are at one hand. We're going to have prototypes this summer. So I'm hoping that we have the actually and everything went to shit.
Everett	Right. Everybody knows everything went to shit because of COVID. Yeah. Right. Especially if you had something that was not normal, you got sent to the back of the line. Get, get the fuck out of here.
Andrew Perez	So, so normal, you know, smaller quantities, but I'm hoping to have layer two production, but we'll have Uh, ready, done being shipped out in the fall. That, that is the goal. And, and movement or you guys went with the Miota, right? Miota. Yeah. 9015 probably. Or, uh, sorry. 9039. It's a Miota. One. Yeah. Yeah.
Everett	9,000 series. 9,000 series Miota. Yeah. Okay. Fantastic. We're going to transition Andrew. Other things. What do you guys got?
Andrew Roberts	Well, just me.
Everett	It's my, just you.
Andrew Roberts	What do you got? So it's something I've had for a really long time and been intending on using and just never have until today. I don't know what you're pointing at. OK. So this is so I have a wall mounted television and something that I've always hated about my wall mounted television was the cords hanging beneath it. So I got one of these like three years ago and never use it. And it's a mono systems four piece flat screen TV kit. And what it comes with is like a very flexible but firm plastic fishing rod for which to fish cable through your wall. Two sockets is what I'm going to use. Yeah, that's right. So there's sockets with a little gusset in the middle, like a little piece that you can run through the middle so that you can fish down and hide all your cords in the wall. It comes with a drill bit to bore out that enormous hole to fit your socket, and we installed it today in my house. Piece of cake? It wasn't exactly a piece of cake. It's a two-person job because you need somebody to feed your plastic thing and somebody else to catch it. But with two people... You need a pitcher and a catcher, guys. I don't know. It took us 15 minutes, maybe for five cables through the wall. Everything's hidden. My television is now floating above my credenza. There are no cords in the way. There are no cords visible. It looks so good. And let me tell you, so there's a few thousand of these products available. They're about 20 to 30 bucks at Lowe's or Home Depot or Ace or wherever you buy your hardware. They're going to be in your television. It probably doesn't really matter what you buy. No, it absolutely doesn't. But for those of you who see cords, above your wall mount or below your wall mounted television. Spend less than 30 bucks. Get a friend. Don't don't put the cap on because I was looking at doing it. My wife's like, well, why don't you just put the little plastic thing over the cords? I was like, that looks just as bad. Yeah.
Everett	Yeah. No, that's true.
Andrew Roberts	Right. Spend the 20 bucks. Get a friend over, drink some beer and resolve your cords. Float them. Yeah, they look wrong. It looked it. is 100% better.
Rick	So. That's like you talking about that is reverting my brain back to the question you asked earlier, which is, are you at a standing desk? And the answer was yes. Dude, this was my purchase for myself for Christmas being stuck at home. I bought one of those Jarvis standing desks. I've got auto memory on. Oh yeah. Sitting, standing on a balanced board height and all of the same deal. I ended up having this big thing shipped to the house, this big long box. And my wife's like, what is that? I'm like, it's a cord caddy, babe. It's a cord caddy. Because I can't have shit hanging off the back of the desk now. So it's all beautifully tucked right along the backside underbelly of it. And it's just clean. I can look right at the wall, even though I've got a bunch of cords between the monitor and computer and speakers and stuff and my phone charger, but no cords.
Andrew Roberts	No cords. For my wife, for a standing desk during COVID times, I used a chest freezer and a stack of textbooks.
Everett	That'll work. That'll work. Hey, it doesn't need to be fucking complicated, Jarvis shit, right?
Rick	Yeah. Hey, whatever, man. I'm telling you, this was game changer though.
Everett	Game changer. Yeah. I mean, you can get the $7,000 Simple Human standing desk or you can just use a couple of old phone books.
Andrew Roberts	No, they were old Arabic textbooks and a chest freezer.
Everett	Even better. Hey, I've got another thing. Do me. So we moved and we moved from a small house. We moved to. We moved from a small house to a much bigger house. Truth. And the small house had built-ins and the big house has none, which I think is good. I think it's good. But what I've found is I don't have anywhere to put any of my stuff. So it's like I have the stuff that was in the refrigerator is good and everything else is fucked. Needs a home, right? So like the ketchup. That's right, that's right. The ketchup has a place and nothing else.
Andrew Roberts	She fits in the closet, though. That's the thing.
Everett	Yeah, that's true. So we bought we started buying furniture. It's a slow process, right? It's expensive, right? We bought a couch. A couch is like $3,500 for a couch that I borderline hate. Uh, you know, which is really, it's super depressing, right? You know, I would love to get some mid-century modern. Uh, yeah, no, you can't, sorry. I'm going to get this couch that sucks. Uh, that's, and that's, that's my reality. Uh, so, but we've started, we've started collecting furniture. We bought a dresser this week. I bought a dresser for Kim's clothes and it's gorgeous, right? Quarter sign oak. It's beautiful. Probably 1930. Did you get it at a consignment store? I got it at oak street vintage. So it's, it's in fantastic shape. It's from an estate sale. It's beautiful, but it just needed some love. It needed to be refreshed. I got this stuff. I got this stuff called Howard feed and wax wood polishing conditioner.
Rick	Dude, that stuff is the shit. I got it. Of course he knows it.
Everett	It is so. It's cheap as dirt too. In the words of my good friend Rick, that stuff is the shit. It's phenomenal. So it's the type of thing, it's goo, it's goop, right? So it's like in a plastic bottle. It's not, it smells sort of vaguely orangey, waxy, oily.
Rick	Got a little zest to it. Yeah. A little zest. Like an orange version of pledge.
Everett	Yes, that's right. You squirt a bunch on a on like a microfiber rag and you just kind of wax on wax off. It wants about 20 minutes to soak in. So I do this. I do this whole dresser. I get this dresser to the house. It's this, you know, kind of expensive 1930s dresser. I get it to the house. I put it in the garage to take the drawers out. And it just looks old. It's beautiful. gorgeous quarter sawn oak, original finish, been really well maintained. And I just sort of wax on with this stuff. 20 minutes later, I pull it off and this thing is fucking beautiful. Kim saw it in the store and she was like, it's okay, it's great. She comes home in the garage and she's like, is that the same thing? It's gorgeous. It looks brand new. Well, it doesn't look brand new. It looks better than brand new.
Andrew Roberts	Yeah.
Everett	It's totally gorgeous. So Howard feed and wax, and I've subsequently used this on like three other pieces of furniture. And it's like, fuck man, you could use this on a guitar. It's you know, I think it's oil, so you want to be a little careful, but. This stuff is my jam. I'm going to keep this around for forever. I love it so so so nice.
Andrew Perez	So for those listeners who have like a wood grain watch, you can probably use it on that too, huh?
Everett	Yeah, yeah, I think you could like those like those.
Andrew Roberts	Okay. Can we move the fuck on?
Andrew Perez	It's the bamboo.
Everett	Yeah, that's right. Other things. Other things. Andrew, what do you got?
Andrew Perez	Other things. I'm going to keep it the same as last time with music because music is a big part of my day. One song, one band that I just recently found in my late night music finding. is it's a it's a band that is young. I think he's Mexican from California, from Oxnard. It's called Los Retros, or that's the name of the band, LOS and then Retros. I fucking love Los Retros. And someone to spend time with. I probably have listened to this song, I don't know, maybe 500 times since like last week. But I just I don't know what it is. I watched a couple of videos, some interviews with the kid. And it's just some dude who likes to make music and taught himself how to do it. And I just absolutely love it. So Los Retros, someone to spend time with.
Andrew Roberts	I'd play a clip, but I'm certain we would be sued.
Everett	Yeah, no, we can't play it on here, but we can link to it in the show notes and we'll do exactly that thing.
Andrew Perez	Isn't there like a time limit that you can play like two seconds? Yeah, it's not very much zero.
Everett	It's no, there is. There is a very small amount of time.
Andrew Roberts	We don't have enough money to play any seconds.
Everett	Yeah, we have no money. And so we get no seconds. Yeah. Other things, Rick, the the king, the king of other things, perhaps. Right. Oh, God.
Andrew Perez	Oh, yeah.
Everett	I can't think of anything.
Rick	We buy a lot of we buy a lot of strange stuff in this house, so The most recent purchase, okay, was actually this... He says chuckling. It was actually this action figure, okay?
Everett	So my son... There's usually a pragmatic theme to the other things, but I don't object to this at all because this is fairly awesome.
Andrew Roberts	I noticed you pulled it off a shelf. it's
Rick	They've been playing with a lot of the vintage toys and they'll break and ruining them.
Andrew Roberts	Have you unwrapped any?
Rick	And they'll be like, they'll just be like, well, dad, it's old. I'm like, yeah, but I kept this shit for 30 years. Like, yeah, maybe don't play so hard, son. Yeah, no.
Everett	Hey, look, Rick, my kids, my kids, my daughter destroyed an OG set of Ninja Turtles. all four guys. She broke, she broke the, the, so she broke Leonardo's Leonardo swords and Donatello's bo staff. Both of them broke.
Rick	Oh, that's so sad.
Everett	I'm sure. Yeah. I mean, I say she destroyed, she didn't destroy, but there was a thing where it was like, Oh God, Oh God. That's like, I can have a whole conversation. And I never I never had that moment where I was like, Oh, well, they're kids and it's my daughter and she got joy. There was none of that. It was like, Oh, fuck, you broke this thing.
Rick	Damn you. Me and him have been playing. He's four. And we've been playing turtles in time on my old Super Nintendo. And let me tell you something. I played that game for years. I've never beaten the game. I've never taken the time to get all the way to the final shredder. I got there with my four year old. All right. All right. I'm like, son, we're going to get the the turtles ultimate Baxter Stockman brand new. And he's he's taken better care of this than the turtles. My turtles, too. I have Two quadriplegics, they lost all their legs. April had her leg ripped off last night by my daughter. So today. So yeah, it's been Ninja Turtle toys has been what has been purchased here.
Everett	I like it. Gentlemen, tell us where to find so labs, Instagram, Facebook, etc, etc.
Rick	Website is so dash labs.co. Isn't that the most sexiest URL you ever heard? Oh man, .co. You know it's real when it's .co. We got to base our name on what URL is available. And finally we were like, just forget it, man. We're going to do the name we want and end up with this, you know, half, you know, hyphen URL. Our handle at solabs.co for Instagram. And those are the best two places to hit us up.
Everett	Yep. Andrew, Andrew Perez, Rick, anything you guys want to add before we go?
Rick	No, you know, thank you guys so much for having us.
Andrew Perez	Just want to say thanks for putting up with us and you guys are fucking awesome.
Everett	Always invited. Thank you so much for coming. Thank you. Andrew Roberts, anything you want to add before we go?
Andrew Roberts	No. Are you sure?
Everett	Do you just fart? No, I didn't fart, but you live so close. Are we just going to get really smashed after this right now? Is the hypnotic gone? He just took it. Most of it's gone, but there's more and there's tequila.
Andrew Perez	Yikes. I was going to ask real quick, was the move across the street intentional?
Andrew Roberts	Well, I obviously meant to move into that house. Like I didn't, I didn't just like spin a wheel, but it wasn't, I didn't move here because he lived here. I actually wanted, I meant to look at this house, uh, But there's a spiral staircase that doesn't work for my little kids. The house across the street came off the market and then came back on. And it was a house that we had already wanted to go see. It just it lined up perfectly. That's awesome. And now we can throw rocks at each other's houses.
Everett	Good luck to you guys. Yeah. You guys don't go anywhere. We'll talk in a minute. Andrew. All right. Bye. Hey, thanks, guys, for joining us for this episode of 40 and 20. We appreciate you being here. You can check us out on Instagram at 40 and 20 and watch clicker. You can check us out on the website, watch clicker.com even better, even better. Hey, listen, if you want to support the show, you can do so on patreon.com slash 40 and 20. Look, you guys, seriously, that's where we get the money for microphones, hosting pictures. When you post pictures on a website, it's fucking expensive. That's where we get the money for that. Patreon.com slash 40 and 20. And don't forget to tune back in next Thursday for another hour of watches, food, drinks, life, and other things we like.
Andrew Roberts	Bye bye.