Episode 125 - Watch Flipping with Clay (@southpawstl15)

Published on Thu, 18 Mar 2021 07:52:04 -0700

Synopsis

This podcast episode features a conversation with guest Clay, who is a watch enthusiast and flipper (someone who regularly buys and sells watches). They discuss Clay's approach to flipping watches, his preferred methods for buying and selling, and how this mentality affects his relationship with the hobby. Clay shares his experiences with platforms like Reddit, Watch Gang, and eBay for buying and selling watches. He also talks about his process for finding good deals and being transparent about the condition of watches he sells. The conversation touches on topics like box and papers, keeping watches in good condition, and the fear of falling too deeply in love with a particular watch.

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Andrew	Hello, fellow watch lovers, nerds, enthusiasts, or however you identify. Listening to 40 in 20, the Watch Clicker podcast with your host, Andrew. I'm a good friend, Everett. Here, we talk about watches, food, drinks, life, and other things we like. Everett, how are you? And I believe you called them road turkey legs.
Everett	Yeah. Yeah. Ground turkey legs is what I meant to say, but I think I spelled it wrong.
Andrew	You know, road turkey actually painted a better picture of just like a mangled, disgusting mess of a turkey. that had been hit by a semi-truck.
Everett	Right, right. Well, I was thinking ground turkey as opposed to ground beef. Ground beef is a little firm. Ground turkey less so. So I feel like I have more ground turkey legs today.
Andrew	Unless you're in a chair.
Everett	That's right. There's very little need for me to do anything with my legs at this time of night. True. Yeah. Just your butt. But yeah, no, I'm doing well. I obviously went on a long run today because it's Sundays and we long run on Sundays And today was a particularly long run. So I'm feeling just I'm feeling a little I didn't recover from it 100% So I'm a little dehydrated a Little tired. I wish we had one of those IV to go buses do Eugene I seriously am considering figuring out how to give myself an IV. I don't think it's all that complicated Yeah, go for that There have been times when I thought I just need I just need a little pep me up
Andrew	We used, I did that while I was in the army. We'd go, our headquarters had the medics and a little aid station and we would stumble in and the medics would just be in there like doing nothing and be like, save us, save us, please.
Everett	I just need an IV. It's 115 degrees.
Andrew	Well, no, there'd just be a pile of hungover and sometimes partially drunk lieutenants, like just desperate for something. And they'd hit us with IV bags. It's good training for them and salvation for us. Yeah.
Everett	I mean, then someone would accuse me of being like addicted to heroin or something though, and that's bad.
Andrew	Oh, yeah, you'd look rough. If you tried to IV yourself on your first time, you, you, there'd be questions. Yeah. Yeah. How are you, Andrew? I'm good. I'm a little tired. Obviously it's the end of, I'm going into my weekend. So it's kind of like I'm switching sleep cycles right now. Like I am every Sunday. So I'm a little, a little worn out. Was a little cranky this afternoon, which like is, I was more cranky than usual. This was a long, just a long week. But I'm good going into weekend. I'm moving Friday, I think.
Everett	Yeah. You guys are like, actually you're there. You're finally there.
Andrew	We close on Tuesday. We should get the keys on Tuesday afternoon and then we're across the street.
Everett	Then you live across the street. Yeah. So you're going to get the keys to the new place Tuesday and then you actually have to get the stuff over here, but that's not going to take long.
Andrew	I'm paying somebody to do that. Yeah. When is that going to happen? Wednesday? Friday is when we're scheduled. Friday. Okay. All right. Yeah, I think Sam's schedule is, so I don't know exactly when. I'll see you Friday. You will. And right now. And right now. As we, as we sit here. Hi. Together with a special in studio guest.
Everett	In studio guest. We do not have in studio guests very often.
Andrew	It's been a while. It has been a very long while. I'm trying to think of the last person that we had in studio. Maybe Tommy?
Everett	Perhaps. Way back episode four or five. Yeah. So with that. In studio, we've got Clay, Mr. South by STL himself. Clay, how are you?
Clay	Dude, I'm so good. Yeah, I mean, okay, so drinking a drinking a cold beer, not a good beer.
Andrew	I mean, it was free and it's cold.
Clay	Yeah. Oh, yeah. So I'm I'm not going to complain. I Well, I just did. You did. So IPAs, APAs, anything with an A is not my jam.
Andrew	Not a banquet.
Clay	But. That has an A. That has an A, yeah. But I didn't pay for it. So I love this beer right now.
Andrew	Oh, you said when we got beer last week, you're like, I always like to try a flight of all the beers that a place has. And I was like, I bet he hasn't had ecliptic yet.
Clay	Yeah, except for anything with a sour IPA, APA. What's an APA? Is that a thing?
Andrew	No, I think you made it up. No, that's I mean, that's a real thing, but it's called the Abuse Prevention Act.
Clay	American Pale Ale. Is that on the thing?
Andrew	I mean, I think it's called a Pale Ale.
Clay	There's Northwest Pales. Is that a Midwest thing?
Andrew	Could be.
Clay	Am I making shit up?
Andrew	I think I'm making shit up. You've invented something tonight. I have. Let's end it. We've done it.
Clay	On record now. But yeah, no, I'm good. Living the Oregonian life. My body clock is super fucked up. I'm used to being you know, in American time zone. So central time zone, uh, with the time change and everything, getting back to normal is going to be rough.
Everett	Yeah. So you leave, you go straight back to St. Louis on Tuesday.
Clay	Yeah. Yeah. So I'm leaving here by about 6 AM or normal time, eight o'clock for me back home. And then I'll be back home around seven. Yeah. So it'll be a long day.
Everett	And you've been working while you're here. So you're up at like five 45 hours.
Clay	Yeah, so there's Wi-Fi in Oregon, too, which is nice.
Andrew	Yeah, most people don't know that.
Clay	Yeah. Yeah. So that's why I'm here to tell everybody that there is Wi-Fi in Oregon. A lot of people don't know. It's definitely in Eugene, too. And so, yeah, so I've been working, so I really haven't skipped a beat, which is good.
Andrew	It's been awesome to have you. It's weird to have you. It's like I've only ever seen you through a screen and then here you are.
Clay	Yeah.
Andrew	Like for us in Everett's pajamas.
Clay	Yeah. Well, Thankfully we're the same size, so it helps. Socks too.
Andrew	Ooh, that's good stuff. I'm jealous of that.
Clay	I have to get around the super stiff socks, but like the ones that are just broken in, we're good.
Everett	They're all stiff at some point.
Clay	But yeah, no, I mean, it's a no, absolutely no complaints so far. Kids, family, everything is super sweet. It's been amazing. Hospitality has been great. Food's been even better. The coast is, Something we don't see in St. Louis.
Everett	Because you don't have an ocean.
Clay	Yeah. Yeah. We've got the Mississippi River. Yeah. Same thing. Which is disgusting all the time. And that's our view.
Everett	So the only thing I know about the Mississippi River is how to spell it.
Andrew	And you know how to sing it.
Clay	And sometimes you add too many I-S-S's.
Everett	Yeah. I've heard that it's also big.
Andrew	Have you ever seen it? I've heard that. I'm sure I have. You have to have seen it. You were in St. Louis. That's true.
Clay	Yeah, you got to see the beautiful buildings of St. Louis after a couple blocks outside of the downtown area.
Everett	Yeah, that's right. That's right. Well, great to have you. Yeah, happy to be here. Great to have you. We're here today. We're here today to talk about something Andrew and I admittedly don't have a ton of experience in. uh which is which is the act of buying and selling watches and i think that we're probably going to title this episode something like flipping but that's a little bit of a loaded term i think flipping is really what we're talking about is sort of quickly going through watches and i think that you are want to get a watch and then fairly quickly offload it i don't think that you keep very many watches for all that long. Uh, would you say that's accurate?
Clay	Yeah. So I think of, of, of my entire watch collection, I only have one, two, three that have stayed and aren't going anywhere. And they're not going anywhere because I can't sell them because of their beat to shit. Because I wear a watch the way you're supposed to wear a watch. Um, and I'm not, nobody's going to buy my beat up SKX or my, uh, I think I might have been the first one to completely tear up a Brew Mastergraph and actually taking it using jackhammering and yard work and all sorts of just goofy stuff that you shouldn't be taking a Mastergraph for, I've been doing. So nobody's going to want to buy that.
Everett	Okay, so you've got a few watches that you've really worn hard, but by and large, I get the impression that you get a watch in, oftentimes a forever watch, and then within about a month or thereabouts, you're looking to offload it.
Clay	Yeah. So the other two watches that are in front of me that I brought, I, I call them, there's the forbidden K word, uh, and that's keeper. Um, I call them keepers now, but that's probably going to change next week. Uh, already. So the, so the Zen, I'm not, that is, that's been my long time, like almost, exit watch watch.
Everett	Yeah. So you recently picked up a Zen five, five, six.
Clay	Yeah. And so that's been my, the I version, right? Yeah. So that's, that's been my, my mini grail, big time grail, whatever you want to call it for, for so long. And every time, you know, you have X amount of dollars, I'm always like, I'm going to buy that watch, but then I buy something else for some reason. And I never have actually purchased the watch. And so now I got the watch and I'm so happy with it. I'm so happy with it.
Everett	And so, And so, well, let's maybe step back a few steps because I'd like to get, we're going to need to talk about that because really that's what we're here to talk about today. Why don't you just kind of introduce people, introduce people, introduce yourself to the people. Who are you? Where do you come from? How did you get into watches? You know, and maybe just tell people how to find you because I think a lot of people probably have seen your photos online or on the Instagram. But tell people who you are. On OnlyFans. On OnlyFans, yeah. Your OnlyFans page is really good these days.
Clay	It's lit, yeah. Well, it's been to OnlyHands now. So my OnlyHands page is booming. So I got a deal, three months for $9.99 if you guys are interested. But it's just for you guys, though. Yeah, no, so I'm Clay. Instagram, SouthpawSTL15. We'll call it St. Louis since that's the biggest city close to me. I'm actually from Southern Illinois, Belleville, Shiloh area, about 20 minutes east, 25 minutes east of St. Louis. Easter of East St. Louis. So Southern Illinois, got into watches. Not the typical. My great granddaddy gave me his watch and I got into watches. I've always had watches, whether it was your Pulsar or cheapy cheapy Citizen and Seiko from Macy's that you spend way too much money on. So I got into watches through a watch subscription service. And this is actually probably how flipping and buying and selling watches really started now that I'm sitting here thinking about it. So I got into it through a company called Watch Gang. And so what they do is you spend X amount of dollars per month. And back when I started, it was like $30 a month. So $30 a month, you give them money and they send you a random watch. I got into it, joined the Facebook page, they have an exchange page, and you can buy, sell, trade, do whatever you want to, to all these watches. And that's really how it started.
Andrew	And then- Did you never get one of their like gold tier random surprise Rolexes?
Clay	Yeah, I've yet. Actually, I got rid of the subscription a long time ago. Yeah, so I've never, never won one of the Tag Tuesdays, Rolexes, whatever. Uh, yeah, never, never got that lucky. Um, but I think that started the whole, uh, uh, buying and selling and flipping mentality.
Everett	Well, what kind of watches did you, what did you get? You know, I think a lot of people have heard of watch gang. I don't have a, I don't have any personal experience. You don't.
Andrew	I've, I've come really close to trying it for the very purpose of the show. Yeah. just to see like, hey, this is what I got and it's not terrible. And they've got like a little wheel where you can pick your, you know, whatever 12 watches and you pay 300 bucks or I think you pay the like pretty damn close to the value of like the entry level watch. So I almost spun on, it's you spin a wheel and whatever price you paid, you get whatever watch comes up on the wheel for that. And they had the, uh, Oh shoot. What's the, uh, the M 79. was their entry level. And I think it was like $200 for a spin and that had three opportunities for an M79. And you pick like of, there's probably 150 watch choices that you can pick to fill out your wheel. And I didn't do it. Cause I'm like, ah, I mean I can get an M79 for less than this. And that's what I'm going to get when I spin this wheel. So that's why I didn't ultimately spin the wheel.
Everett	Right. Well, what's your experience been like?
Clay	Yeah. In an effort of this, this is, I guess the talking to the lawyer here. So, This is my opinion, my opinion only. This does not represent the thoughts and opinions of the 40 and 20 guys next to me.
Andrew	Man, that was a really good disclaimer.
Clay	The express written consent of Major League Baseball. So I did it and it was neat to get into it. If you're getting into a watch and you just want to handle a bunch of different watches, different types of watches, that's the way to do it. And if you don't live somewhere near ADs, anywhere where you can't touch and feel a watch, that's the cool thing to do. It's not bad, but know that you're not going to get your money's worth. They're big into mushroom brands. So if you've heard of a company called Heritaur, the H-E-R-I-T-A-U-R, I'm like, you guys can never pronounce a name of a watch to save my life. No. Yeah. And we can't either, as you know. Yeah. I'm awful. So the Heritaur watch is a mushroom brand. So you go on their website and it's 600 bucks, but you can find it all day on the watch exchange for 50, 60, $70. Easy. So those are the watches that they put out. They do randomly put out like the Spinnaker type watches and they're good. So probably if you're looking at, there's $100 subscription. So they've got like the 30, the original tier, the $100, the $300, and they used to have $1,000 subscription. But you got, I mean, you got some pretty kick-ass watches for a thousand bucks. But again, if you're trying to sell them, Everybody knows that you got it for $1,000, so they're not going to spend more than $1,000 for a watch, even though the watch might be worth more. So that's kind of the whole mentality behind this. If you're going to get a watch for $30, everybody knows you spent $30, and they're not going to say, I'll pay you more money for this watch, generally speaking. There's always a little asterisk to it. So like, so what WatchKing does is they'll send out like the Spinnaker. They had like the automatic, I don't remember the name off the top of my head, but they send it out in like three different colorways. And so what people do- The Cahill maybe? Yeah, maybe, maybe. I mean, it was cool. I mean, I had a couple of them. And so they send them out and they send them out in all different colorways. And then people really say, ah, this red one looks like shit. This green one's cool. This blue one's neat, but everybody wants the black one. And so everybody's going to buy and sell and do a two for one, three for one. and even lose quote unquote value or money trying to get this just this black dialed watch. Okay, so it's it's it's going back to the original question. It's it's it's fun if you want to get your hands on a bunch of watches and see a bunch of watches, but know that you will most likely not get your money's worth.
Everett	There's an active trading community, though, for for post delivery.
Clay	Yeah. Yeah. So I'm not on the Facebooks anymore, but they do have a dedicated uh, exchange page where it's not just like watch gang watches. Like you can exchange all sorts of different watches that you have.
Everett	So when was this, when did you sign up for watch gauge?
Clay	Uh, watch, watch gang. Yeah. Excuse me. Um, back in, I was the first month they did it. So maybe 2016, 2015, 2015, 16 in that area. Yeah. Um, and so since then it's just been the, the slippery slope. Obviously I think everybody's is joined the, the watch you see, So join there and Reddit. Reddit's a big one, which I know I'm going to talk about a lot, but also just handling a bunch of watches, taking them apart, trying to put them back together again, not being able to, that type of, those types of things got me to fall in love with these watches.
Everett	Cool. So, so, uh, being someone that, uh, being someone that buys and sells a lot of watches, A lot of watches. Having known you for a long time now, a lot, a lot, a lot of watches. Talk a little bit about watch flipping, because I think that there is a term flipping, which means something very specific, but I think that also watch flipping just generally can be a not pejorative or bad thing. I think that there's an attitude about flipping that it means you're buying watches and gouging prices and you're scalping, right? I don't think that's really what you're doing, but talk a little bit about what is flipping generally.
Clay	Yeah, and so all of my flippings are super... When a lot of people think of this, they think of like the Rolex and the steel watches and the higher-end watches, and I'm very much so entry-level, mid-level, not spending a whole bunch into four digits on watches. But I think there's a big common misconception between flipping and scalping, for example, as you mentioned. So somebody will pick up one of the limited edition watches that sell out in seconds, like the Laurier. They'll buy it for, I'm just easy, that was $500. But then now that they're sold out and everybody wants it, they'll sell it for $1,000. Or the John Mayer G-Shock. Yeah, sure. That's a great example. So the day that it released, What was it, $180? Neighborhood. I think that's right. Yeah. So $180. People were already posting and selling the watch for $400 on eBay. I saw them.
Everett	Well, you could still get them on, on Hodinkee. They were already on eBay for 400 bucks. Yeah.
Clay	Yeah. So they weren't, they were the pictures from the website and they were still selling them for $400 and people were like, yeah, I want that watch.
Everett	It sold out in like, I think maybe a half hour and I remember seeing there was still available on the website and they were already on eBay for 400 450 bucks. Yeah, even before even before they were sold out. So no one's gotten him.
Clay	No one's touched this watch, but and they're already selling the watch, so that's not what I want what I like to do. So I like to just get my hands on a bunch of watches that I want to try. And so what I'll do is I'll. OK, so go back to the real person flipping. I'll buy a watch and I'll sell a watch. Um, my goal is never to lose money on a watch. Um, if I know I'm not going to keep it. So like this is in, for example, I know I'm going to wear it, doing everything, hunting, fishing, biking, running. When I decide to run, um, I mean, if you have to escape something, you should run. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Um, or, you know, drive anything. I don't know. So I will beat the shit out of this watch. So I know I'm not going to sell it for what I paid for and that's okay. But there are some watches like this Nomos, for example, that I got. I've always, always, always wanted this Nomos. Goofy size, 35 millimeter, but it's got super long lugs. And you really can't tell with my itty bitty wrists, you can't try on, you can't look at a picture online and say, yeah, that's, that'll fit or that won't fit. So I've always wanted to try on a watch, see how it looks, see if I like it and just, hell, take pictures of it. And I completely lost where I was going, but
Andrew	Since you're lost, I'm kind of good with interrupting for this question. When did you start getting comfortable with that cash exchange? Because I think one of the barriers to entry to watch flipping, and a barrier to entry to watches in general, is the liquid investment. So at what point did you become comfortable? Like, okay, well, I bought this watch for, let's say, like $500. That's a general term reason. I bought it for $500. I'm going to eat 400 and I'm going to buy this one for another, you know, say $600. Like what was, what was your initial comfort level and how has that changed it? And is your decision making based on, I think I can probably get more for this down the road or is it based on, I just want to have this watch. I want to experience it, but it's not, it's definitely not going to live with me forever.
Clay	Yeah. So, so the ladder, so I'm, I'm big on just wanting to watch, wanting to try the watch, wanting to wear it, try it on all the straps that I have. and then selling it again. But again, when I, when I buy a watch, I will never ever, ever rarely ever buy a watch new. Uh, I'll support like John Jonathan for brew. I will, I will buy every single watch that he ever releases. Cause I want to support, I love everything that John does. I want to support brew. So I'll buy a new watch and I'll be totally happy with it, but I'll never buy a brand new Seiko. For example, I'll never go and buy a new, whatever watch that I want to just try because I know that if I buy it's like a, I mean, exaggerated example, but a car, you know, depreciates and loses its value the second you buy brand new. Um, so you buy a watch say for $500, but you know that the resale value is only 300, $350 if you're, if you're lucky. And obviously that, that, you know, goes up and down. Um, so to go back to the question about, Like, where was I comfortable?
Andrew	Yeah, what was that comfort level?
Everett	How did you get to the point where you bought a watch knowing you might sell it? Because selling a watch to me is kind of a mystery, right? I know I'm going to buy it. That's an easy enough process. But how do you get comfortable with that next step? And then if I don't like it, I'm going to sell it.
Andrew	And I don't have a single watch in my box. And I'm like, yeah, I'm ready to part with you. Even watches I don't wear.
Clay	Oh, see, that's so weird. I could never have a watch that I'm like, it's just sitting there collecting dust. It's just going to sit there like that. That's never been my, my thing. So I've never had a watch box of 36 watches and just, just to have them. Um, I, so I've got the five watch box and I try not to outgrow the five slots. So if I buy a watch, I have to sell a watch. That's kind of my, my mentality. Um, that's a low threshold too. Yeah. Yeah. It, uh, it saves some money in the long run too, or immediate money. Um, Plus, you can only wear two watches at a time, I guess, unless you put them on your ankle. So you can reasonably wear, not reasonably, but you can wear four watches at a time, right?
Andrew	I bought some Omega Nato's that go on my thighs.
Clay	Yeah, they're solid. Good.
Everett	You can unreasonably wear four watches.
Clay	Yeah, yeah, exactly. So I've always even, because I think it was from that watch exchange, knowing that Kind of knowing what people spent money, like how much money somebody spent on a watch, like knowing that this person got this watch for $100. I know that, okay, if I got this watch, if I get this watch for $100, I know I'm not going to make $100 off of it. I have $100 if I'm lucky, but then you have to think about shipping and then the PayPal goods and services if you don't trust somebody. So I've always thought about when I buy a watch, if and when I do sell it, I don't want to lose my ass on a watch.
Everett	Well, I think that's a great time for us to talk about, you know, for Andrew and I, I'm thinking about selling a watch. I don't even know where to get started. And in fact, I do know where to get started. And I've got a person who acts as a proxy for me when I do want to sell a watch. And it's a fantastic thing he does for me. And it turns out he's here in our studio right now. What's your preferred way to sell a watch? I assume that there are some ways that are generally more effective, but there's, I can think of maybe four or five ways to potentially sell a watch. What's your preferred method and what else have you tried and what's the differences between these selling watch methods, watch selling methods?
Andrew	If you come to me, I can guarantee you $50 per watch.
Clay	60. And as long as I can sell it for at least 60, I'm okay. So I, I, I've, I've done all of the, so I've done, I've done all of the, I think what I think is most of the, your, your general, so watch you seek a Reddit exchange, um, even discord or, uh, face to face with, um, in red bar, which I think that's how you got your Swiss army, uh, chronograph watch, right? Yeah. That's from, from red bar. Um, so it works or, um, websites like Poshmark and Mercari, um, And that's where you look to buy and sell watches. Or I mean, the best resource for me has always been Watch Recon. So Watch Recon is kind of like a watch sales aggregate. So it pulls all sales from Reddit, Watch You Seek, Rolex Forums, Omega Forums.
Everett	But you can't you can't put a watch for sale on Watch Recon, right?
Clay	Correct. Yeah. So so when you you want to throw a wide net just in case different people looking at different places. So if I have a watch I want to sell, I'll post it first to Reddit, the Watch Exchange page. I've had the most luck. It's a great community. Evan, your other, your brand new writer, Evan's big on Reddit Watch Exchange. That's where I generally start. They don't have the beginning threshold that Watch You Seek does. So with Watch You Seek, you have to have 100 posts before you can post a watch for sale. Um, but you can't just post a hundred posts in a single day. You can't. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So to get a hundred posts, I mean, you're five posts a day.
Everett	You're actually having to engage with the community.
Andrew	Some someone organically demonstrate some trustworthiness and commitment to the cause.
Clay	Right. Right. Which gets into something. I mean, I'm sure we'll talk about later too, but being able to buy a watch and knowing that you're not going to get completely screwed over, spend $500 for a watch and then you're going to get an empty cardboard box, which does happen. But you also want to make sure you obviously don't have that happen. Yeah, so I've I'll post mainly to the Reddit Watch Exchange because they do have a dedicated linked watch exchange feedback page as well. So that if if my my name, you know, foster child or whatever it is. Yeah. So they'll say, OK, so Clay posted this watch for sale. Here's all of his previous sales, and here's the feedback. So somebody can immediately click this link and go, Clay has sold these many watches. He's had this many successful sales. And looking at it, he hasn't fucked anybody over, which is ideally what you want.
Andrew	Is that a closed feedback loop? So the reason I ask is, could I go on there and provide 100 bad experiences so that your $60 offer no longer stands and my $50 offer wins?
Clay	So they changed it to where Now it shows you the number of transactions that you've made. And the, I guess, I guess they call them bots, but the bots, it's, it's a definitely closed loop. So you buy a watch, you sell a watch, you have to post, I sold this watch to this person. And then the bot takes over and says, great, good transaction. Fantastic. Move on to the next one. So if Evan pisses me off, I can't say, go on the watch change feedback or feedback page and go, Evan's the worst seller in the world because there's no watch I bought.
Andrew	There's no transaction evidence of that. Okay. There's some controls there.
Clay	Right, exactly. Whereas I haven't sold a watch on WatchUseek in so long because of Reddit being so successful for me. But back when I was selling, you know, back in the day. But I don't know if WatchUseek has it anymore or has that ever. I think they have just the feedback where you can just post whatever you want. And I'm sure there's some moderation to it. But I can't imagine a lot of moderation. As you mentioned before, it's open. So I could say that I'll continue to use Evan. Evan on Watch You Seek. I can say that he screwed me over on every single watch that I bought from him.
Andrew	Yeah. Which he's known for. That's actually, that's why we hired him because we know he's like us.
Clay	Rumor has it, just to just keep along with the watch clicker gang, they're going to screw you. That's our thing.
Everett	Yeah. Yeah. So, so generally speaking, you prefer, you prefer Reddit. And, and, and, and, and is that because you get the most hits, the most good hits that you have the, the shortest sale times because you get the best buyers or, or some combination of the three?
Clay	Kind of D all the above. So I have the most success from there. Notice when I say Reddit, obviously there are Facebook pages too. There were a ton of, when I was on, on the Facebooks, There were tons of Facebook pages as well, where you can buy and sell watches. And those were always successful too, because you have a name attached to it. If you buy a watch from Clay, you can see my profile, you can see a picture of my dog, and whatever else I have on Facebook at the time. Whereas with Reddit, I think the beauty of Reddit is it's kind of based off of someone being anonymous. But in the watch exchange, that's where it's nice to have, OK, cool, I know that this person has 36 transactions successful transactions, and they're not going to screw me over when I buy a watch.
Everett	Sort of like eBay.
Clay	Right, exactly.
Everett	Yeah, how about eBay for selling watches? Is that something you do? So maybe that's the next question, right? Is there a type of watch that you're more inclined? Is there a price range? Or is there a, you know, mushroom brand versus name brand? Do you think through those kind of things? And are there any differences there?
Clay	Yeah, but that was the thing about The fees that go along with selling a watch. So if you're selling on eBay, eBay is going to take a pretty big fee unless you are like a super seller. I've been selling for 20 years and you have I guess quote unquote and good with them. But if you're just a random Joe Blow like me, you're going to get hit with some eBay fees. So if I if I put a watch on eBay that I think might take a lot longer to sell, I'll put it up there for a higher price knowing that after the eBay fees and shipping fees and all of this, I will get to at least how much I paid for the watch.
Andrew	Good. Yeah. How about any other platforms? If you're, so you talked about Mercari and Poshmark. Poshmark. Yeah.
Clay	Yeah. So those, those are kind of one off and they, they, they have the same fee type.
Everett	Offer up I think is the other one.
Andrew	That's all stolen property. Don't buy from there. Okay.
Clay	Mr. Mr. Cop. So, okay, so all these uh, so what is this? No, there's notice contrail that yeah, I'm gonna be on offer offer up tonight or this a Left hand.
Andrew	There's also a zoom.
Clay	It's gonna be a probably up there This left-hand Nemo is gonna go up on offer up tonight It is See, so so those types of plates, but they also have they also have fees attached to them Which I generally try to avoid because that it eats in tears hate to sound like a car salesman, but it eats into your profits. Sure.
Everett	Sell a watch. Yeah. Yeah. It takes away some of your watch budget.
Andrew	Yeah. In the flipping process, it's all about funding the next purchase.
Clay	Yeah. And so that, that's my, that is my main goal. So, you know, you, you fork over, you know, just again, for easy numbers, you say, I want to spend a thousand dollars, but then you can sell, you buy a watch for a thousand dollars. You can sell it for, you sell it for 1100. Now you have $1,100 to just buy your next watch or watches at that point. And that's, that's been my mentality behind all of it was I just want to see all the watches, which watch all of them. Okay.
Everett	Well, now that they're in, you know, well, so then maybe a related question. Um, where do you start? Where do you start to buy watches? You mentioned, uh, watch recon, and I think that's a great resource, right? Cause you can see what's posted on so many different places, especially if you're looking for something specific. Where else, what are your preferred places to buy watches? Because it's maybe a different set of considerations, right?
Andrew	And I have a question really specific to WatchRecon. When you search in WatchRecon, it seems like the top five are always pretty recent. And then there's a huge gap. It's like one day ago, two days ago, you know, up to five days ago. And then it's like three months ago. And those watches always seem cheaper. Have you ever found success in those three-month-ago posts that the guys just hasn't sold it yet and it's one, two hundred dollars less than the most recent post? Have you ever found success in that old post the guy's like, yeah, I just want to get rid of it. Like I've been trying to sell this thing for months.
Clay	Yeah, that Novo is right in front of you. So I actually, I bought it on Watch You Seek. So I had an alert set up that I wanted the Nomos reference 139. That's the one that I wanted to try. I wanted to see. So I got an alert saying that there was a post on watchuseek. I saw it posted for X amount of dollars and it was outside of what I was really wanting to spend. And so it stayed there for sale and you could see this person bumped it and bumped it and bumped it once a day for for a good couple months. And so also when you think about anything about buying a watch and you know you're not going to keep it you want to sell it. know that, okay, so if this person can't sell a watch for X amount of dollars, chances are you won't either. Um, unless, you know, something crazy happens, chances are you aren't going to sell for that amount of money. So I just had this alert set up and a couple months went by and it's all about how, so if somebody recently commented, then it goes to the top of watch, uh, of a watch recon. And so I saw that the price went down and said, yeah, that's, that's what I was wanting to spend on watch. So then I pulled the trigger.
Everett	So what are you looking for when you're trying to find a deal on a watch when you're buying? Is there anything specific or is it just sort of what you find when you find it?
Clay	Again, kind of deal the above. If it's a watch that you know you're not going to keep, I try not to buy watches that are completely hit by lawnmower beat to shit because I like to keep my, I think I've got I've got positive feedback everywhere where I've sold a watch. And I try to be, the biggest thing when you're trying to sell a watch is you have to be as open as possible. So if there's a nick on the crystal, if there's any type of desk diving marks on the clasp, if there's any type of anything on the watch, generally you want to, not generally, you always want to just be as transparent and open as possible. Cause you don't want anybody to say you told me that this was a perfect crystal, but it looks like a spider web on it. Sure. And you don't want that.
Everett	And are you finding a huge amount of discount when you post a watch with dust diving marks on the clasp, for instance?
Clay	Well, I'm amazed that box and papers for entry level non Rolex type watches are such a big thing. A lot of people won't buy a watch if it doesn't have a piece of cardboard and a piece of paper that's going to sit in your closet.
Andrew	And the paper is almost always the user manual. It's not like a warranty card or certificate of authenticity. It's the user manual coming in English, German, French, and Chinese.
Clay	Yeah. And so people will say, well, you don't have the box. It's not a full kit. No, it has all the links that you need to wear the watch. You don't need to wear the box or the papers. But people will, I mean, people will, you'll lose a sale if somebody really wants those.
Andrew	I have the box and papers for my F91.
Clay	I would hope so.
Andrew	That's real talk.
Clay	Yeah.
Andrew	I just took it out of the box and I threw it with all the other watch boxes in the bottom of my gun safe.
Everett	Yeah. I keep all that crap.
Clay	Yeah. And, and, and I keep all, you know, when somebody, when I, when I buy a watch and all this stuff comes in, I'll keep it too. Just for the fact that whenever I do sell it again, I want to be able to say, yes, thing has all the, the, the box and papers, unless it's like a super cool, like unless it comes in like a watch roll. And I liked that watch roll and I want to keep that watch roll. Then I'll say, okay, cool. Well, this watch doesn't have the watch rule that you're thinking you're gonna get. And that's totally okay.
Andrew	As an aside, I was looking at Speedmasters recently and was shocked by how many of the very same edition that Evert has doesn't have box. The box is a fucking Pelican case. Yeah, well, it's huge is what you mean, I think, right? Yeah, it's 18 inches by like 12 inches. It's a briefcase. How did you not keep that thing? Where did it go? Yeah, right. You couldn't have lost it. Right. I'm just sorry as an aside.
Clay	No. And those are things I've said before too. I've actually met a lot of great people. I mean, I think I've met most of my, my friends through just these, these watches on our wrists. Um, and we, I've had conversations with people before where it's like, well, who the hell would throw away an Omega box? I mean, knowing that that's $500, right? Like if you're going to, if you go to eBay and try to just buy just one box, You're spending a lot of money just for that box. Yeah. So if you're trying to sell a watch, keep your stuff.
Andrew	Even if you're not, just keep your box and papers. Maybe when you die, somebody else is going to sell your watch. Just keep the box and papers, even if it's a user manual.
Everett	Yeah. Just, just, just, just keep it just in case. Well, so this is kind of an odd question, but do you think, so looking at the people around you, you know, Andrew and I, for instance, do you think that your, your mentality. You're sort of, I'm going to get this watch to kind of try it out. Um, and then we'll see what happens. Do you think that that mentality has affected the way you collect or that you interact with your watches beyond just like, Oh, I might sell this. I'm going to try to keep it nice beyond that. Do you think that it's a different way, an inherently different way to be engaged in the hobby?
Clay	I think a different way to be engaged in the hobby. Um, You know, everybody loves the micro brands, I think, for the fact that you get the immediate engagement with the owners. You know, if you're by a Seiko, chances are you're never ever going to talk to the CEO or the president of Seiko. But if I want to talk to if I have a question to Jonathan at Brew, I can send him a message on Instagram and he's going to get back to me same day. Or you just FaceTime him. Yeah. Yeah. We're going to walk down after a couple of beers on the coast and FaceTime John, which was
Andrew	You guys did that today? Yes, yesterday.
Clay	That's amazing. I was like, hey John, what are you doing? He goes, I'm free. So we're like, fuck it, we'll call him real quick and see what happens. And he answered and he's just like, whoa, shit.
Andrew	What are you guys doing? The energy that man has is just nothing short of amazing.
Clay	Yeah, we went, tried to grab coffee and I didn't need coffee after talking to him. Yeah. I feel pumped just being there. I'm just being involved. Yes. So, so the interaction. Yeah. Yeah. So, so how has, how has it affected the way I work? I think it gives me more of a, of an actually, I think it's more of an intimate, um, feeling with watches and the fact that now I get to figure out what works for me and what doesn't work for me. Um, whereas, you know, I bought all these watches that are either too big or too small or the lug to lug is too long or too short and just looks goofy. Um, I think every watch that I have, I always pick apart, like, okay, this isn't the watch for me because of this. And that's kind of why, where I landed to, I mean, the SKX, I mean, for me is the, the much better than the Orient, so much better than the Orient. So the SKX, I mean, to me, it's like the, the perfect watch. Right. Um, but I also want to see, you know, all the watches too, because that's, that's where the, the, you know, the Zen came into play was it took me, you know, a hundred watches in one year to figure out that, you know, This thing is probably perfect once I buy it. And it is. It lived up to all the expectations. So has quote unquote flipping or buying and selling a lot of watches affected the way I interact with watches? Yeah.
Everett	Yeah. Do you think maybe you're less likely to fall in love with a watch than someone who generally buys to keep?
Clay	You know what? I'm afraid to fall in love. How about that? Ooh, profound. Yeah. Oh, it's super deep. I'm like, I'm afraid to, like, get a watch and be like, I love that watch. I never want to get rid of that watch knowing that I'm going to get rid of that watch. Yeah, that's just just I know who I am and all the watches that have been in and out of my watch box.
Andrew	In that then shortest relationship, longest relationship.
Clay	I've sold watches before I purchased the watch. Okay. So short. Okay. Um, longest, I still have my SKX and that was the first, I mean, I think like a lot of other people, um, when they go SKX over, um, Orient is, uh, that being my first automatic mechanical watch. And that's still, I've still had that one since day one.
Everett	Wow. Have there been watches that you thought you were getting for the, for the long haul that you, you got and, and wound up not connecting with in a way that surprised you?
Clay	Yeah. And so that's, that's kind of the beauty of the whole, just buying watches just to try it. Um, and that's why, so I've, I've never, I've never done a Kickstarter for that reason. Um, I'll lose my quote unquote love for this watch before, you know, months before it even ships out.
Andrew	Do you do pre-orders then? Or is that why you do all use? Cause you're like, I want it in three to seven days. Otherwise I don't care.
Clay	Yeah. I'll do every watch that I have at least here in front of me. every single watch here I've bought used for that for that reason, and I didn't bring the bruise because you guys have all seen them. But again, Bruce, probably one of the only watches that I'll buy brand new knowing that I just want to support him when support and I'll spend all my money for for brew watches. But that again, that's that's about it. I'll buy every watch that I can used for that reason.
Andrew	Perfect.
Everett	Perfect.
Clay	Yeah. Cause again, I'm afraid to fall in love. Right. Yeah. I've heard that about you. Yeah. I don't want to fall in love. Um, but yeah, so like the other hand, by the time I bought the watch, like there's an inseparable bond, which, which I wish, I mean, I have it here with the, with the Zen.
Andrew	Um, yeah, I'm sort of the same way. Right. I mean, you already mentioned when I sell the Zen, when I came back from making PP, you said when I sell it.
Clay	Yeah. So I, cause I know, I know me and I know I'll, My honeymoon stage is long. When I really fall in love, like my honeymoon stage is super long and then it just crashes and burns. This is good though. Yeah. Yeah.
Andrew	I don't know how you can fall out of love with this. I don't think I'm going to. When you do, 50 bucks.
Clay	I heard Everett said he'll give me 60.
Andrew	I live across the street, so 65. You'll see it on OfferUp.
Everett	All right, Clay. So you're South by STL 15 on Instagram. You're Foster Child.
Clay	Yeah, I'm not a foster child.
Everett	My no, no, no. You're you're you're read it. You're you're read it. Handle.
Clay	Yeah. So last name's Foster. So Foster Child 1550, you know, being in St. Louis, Jim Edmonds has been my favorite baseball player of all time. So 15 is everywhere.
Everett	Foster Child 15 on Reddit. And if you want to if you want to see Clay's great pictures, you can do so on Instagram or
Clay	you can go look for one of the many many watches he sells on reddit yeah thanks man if you buy a watch on reddit there's a high likelihood he's already sold it yeah like it's probably it's probably been in st louis at least it at least once um and now that i'm going to get back to taking more pictures now that i found out that my camera has autofocus all right so that's been your limiter we we can take we can take a moment to talk about this taking a photo such a pain in the ass sometimes. Always. Yeah. And so I, I, I have, you have your tripod, you have, you know, your zoom focus and then you focus and then take a picture and then you, that's a good one or that's not a good one. Got to change this. So there's so much that goes into taking a watch. And then, you know, I'm talking about editing. So I just always, you know what?
Andrew	I just send Everett raw photos and then he does the editing.
Clay	Yeah. Like I used to take pictures every day and post them every day.
Everett	This story is better than that, Clay. I'm just going to call you out. Oh, let me take over. I need another beer. Hold on. Probably about a year ago, Clay says, Hey, I'm, I'm upgrading, I'm getting a DSLR. Uh, I listened to something you said about, you know, an inexpensive Nikon and a 50 millimeter lens. And I was like, yeah, that's, I think that's exactly what, what you should start with in my mind, inexpensive DSLR crop sensor plus 50 millimeter lens. It's going to, you're going to slay, you're going to take great pictures. So he does that and he's, you know, taking pictures of watches and I say, well, the way I do focus for watches, I set up a tripod and then I go to live view and then I zoom way in and I get the thing I want in focus, in focus, in live view with manual focus.
Clay	And this was during like your episode, like your very first episode, like we started talking. So that's, that's how long ago I've been doing this.
Everett	And so I, you know, that seems like really sort of straightforward. directions, and I think you did really well immediately with that, right? You were instantly posting great pictures. I'm like, hey, you're slaying. So Clay gets here on Thursday, and then Saturday we go to the beach, because Clay's never seen the Pacific Ocean. Well, now you have. Had never seen it. Had never seen the Pacific Ocean. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I can't remember what we were talking about, but we were taking some pictures, and he says something about
Clay	You looked at me trying to focus on a rock in the ocean and you're like, what the fuck are you doing? I'm like, I'm just trying to focus and you're like that doesn't have autofocus like fuck.
Everett	I know maybe I've never used it and I and so I said I Said clay your camera definitely has autofocus and he's like no, I don't think I don't think it has the right stuff on the inside
Andrew	Meanwhile, right, this is on the inside of the computer.
Everett	This is a Nikon like D3400, right? A fairly modern entry level DSLR. And I'm like, no, it definitely has.
Clay	And I know there's a YouTube video talking about it that I just haven't gotten to.
Everett	We flip a couple of switches, go into a menu and boom, life changed. Yes. For the record, Clay has autofocus and now he has the ability to autofocus.
Clay	Like I'll post a picture on the Zen that you'll see me post on Monday or tomorrow as we're recording now. It's taken with autofocus, no tripod or anything. And I don't know why I never did that before. I feel really stupid. Like I know, I know.
Everett	You know, it's one of those things, right? You've done a very specific type of photography. But it's hard, right? There's so much stuff to know. I'm teasing you a little bit. Totally.
Clay	No, I deserve it. And if anybody wants to.
Andrew	Will is shitting himself as he's listening to this. He's like, if you don't know how to use your camera with your eyes closed, you don't have a camera.
Clay	I've talked to so many people, you know, Josh and stuff and watches and Will and even everybody that's, they're so helpful taking pictures. And maybe I've, I've never been like, I don't want to be like, I like, Hey, Does this camera have autofocus? I don't want to ask. I feel like if I ask Will that.
Everett	It seems like a Google question. Yeah, Google knows all. Google knows all.
Andrew	Will can follow up with the questions you don't understand from the Google.
Everett	All right, you guys. I think, Andrew, anything else you want to add on flipping?
Clay	I'm still scared. So just real, I'm going to add one more final thought here with this real quick. If you if you are scared and if you don't trust the buyer, always use PayPal goods and services. Yeah. Filing a claim is one of the biggest pain in the asses you have to deal with, but you will get your money back eventually. Also, my watch back also. Well, what does this also? I always also recommend paying for a little bit more insurance when you ship your watch, you know, shipping all sorts of ways by, you know, shipping the USPS.
Andrew	Don't do that. Will has lost two watches and USPS in the last year.
Clay	Less than that. Yeah. Did he get his money back with insurance or did he just do the $50? I think he's still working on her. Yeah. Yeah. Still up in the air. So when, okay. When, when I sell it, when I ship a watch, it's always at least the value that I paid for it. So if I, if it gets lost, I will, I guess a couple of years later, get my money back.
Andrew	Fair enough. So PayPal goods and services, huge pain in the ass. Yep. Okay. Andrew.
Everett	Other things.
Andrew	So with the celebration of my new garage. What do you got? I've been following a, uh, I mean, I've been following this Instagram page for a while. It's called woodwork craft and their page itself is like kind of, it's, it's cool. It's all cool woodworking related things. What I found, though, is they post some of the best stories. Because I really don't Instagram. I open it up and I scroll through stories. And the ones that interest me, I watch like two, three, four times. And then I just kind of move on. And then I close the Instagram. Because I don't like social media. But what it's done is it's created this thing in me where I'm like, I have a false confidence anyway. Like, I'm certain.
Clay	You look like you know what you're talking about.
Andrew	Oh, I don't. Never have. Won't ever. But I get on this page, I'm like, I can do that. Oh, I get it. I can do that. And what it's doing is it's it's like revealing this monster inside of me where I'm I'm a little bit afraid of what my garage is going to do because I have a full a full two car garage and nothing to put inside it but tools. and like a few other like odds and ends.
Clay	But I've seen your garage. Actually, it's a nice garage. It is a nice garage.
Andrew	There's nothing in it. They're not even shelves. But I'm. This this Instagram page, if even if you don't like woodworking, so much of the stuff is just like it's just visually pleasing to look at because it's got colors and textures and it's like just cool shapes and things that you want to look at. So if you're in any way interested in woodworking, you're probably already following this page because there's 1.1 million followers, a little more than we have. So my assumption is that I only have eight common followers with it. So you might not be, but take a look at it. It's got, it's just, it's, if nothing else, it's cool to scroll through.
Everett	You're welcome. Woodworkcraft Instagram. Yeah. At the Instagram at woodworkcraft. All right, I've got another thing, and this is going to be kind of a weird one. Do me. This is going to be not something that everybody is going to be interested in. So feel free just to skip ahead. Clay's probably got some interesting other things. I'm live tweeting now, so I'm not even listening to what I heard. So we use microphones. We do. In the production of this podcast. We do. We have fairly nice microphones. uh we have a great mixing board we've got good hardware however we're pros for the last approximately 18 months or so we have been using newer newer newer real shitty booms boom arms for our microphones and you know what they have done the job they have done the job uh they have these open springs and so we had to sort of insulate the springs uh i used some tennis racket grip tape for that and that worked fine. But they're short and they're noisy and they're clangy and they don't stay where you want.
Andrew	They're hard to adjust because you have to adjust every single joint to make a single adjustment.
Everett	So I recently procured two Rode PSA1 boom arms. Installed them this week. We have recorded using them tonight. We've moved them a bunch. And you can't hear it. I'm doing it now. It is. It's one of those things where you don't think about this stuff. You don't really want to spend the money on this stuff. And it has totally, totally been worth it, right? Instantly. I realized, oh my gosh, these are going to be great. So my other thing for this week is really a road PSA one boom arm. And, and that's cause I think it is just a totally fantastic product, but more generally it is about making thoughtful purchases. And when you want to upgrade something, do a little research and make a good, I could not be happier about this upgrade. I mean, here I am sort of what I'm three feet away from the,
Andrew	Yeah, the first you've ever been away from the table.
Everett	And I've moved the boom arm all over the place. And gosh, what a pleasure.
Andrew	And we can only hear it because you're banging on the microphone. Yeah, yeah. I'm actively moving the microphone right now, just shifting back and forth.
Clay	And so I don't know, people listening, I don't know what you think you expect these two to be doing, but they actually have a kick ass setup. Board, microphone, stand, computer, all of it.
Everett	And a bathroom nearby. And a bathroom.
Clay	And yeah, and running water. So it's, you two did a good job.
Andrew	I don't, I don't flush or wash my hands. I want to save water.
Everett	You know, we've put together this, you know, we've put together pieces of kit over the years, but, uh, this was really the last thing that needed upgrading on our, on our everyday day to day recording setup. And I think if I could go back, it would be one of the first things I upgraded. Uh, the Binus.
Andrew	Not twice, right? Philosophy.
Everett	Yeah. Geez Louise. So that's my other thing. Rode PSA1. If you do any recording and you have one of these newer boom arms, save a couple shekels. Oh my gosh, it's worth it.
Andrew	Yeah, because we ended up paying more because we bought boom arms and these.
Everett	Yeah, we bought the old ones and these ones. You're right. So Clay, we've got some time set aside for you because I understand that you maybe have brought more than one and even perhaps four other things.
Andrew	And you're an in-studio guest. Do you get to do that?
Clay	Well, yeah. And the only reason why is you guys have your one things and it's a pretty consistent one thing. Um, I don't read, so I don't have a book, uh, unless there's pictures and it's even better if they pop up.
Andrew	I bought ours for Rolex for my baby. He loves it.
Clay	Yeah. I need like, that's the book I'll read. And that is, that's about it. Um, And so I don't have a book, but everything else that you guys really... Can you in fact read? I can. I can read as long as there's no more than four syllables.
Andrew	It must be written in crayon.
Clay	Yeah. Like I just found out my fucking camera has autofocus. So like just one of these days I'll get, I'll get to reading big words. Um, and your daughter's like running laps around me reading. Like she's telling me these books that she's reading.
Andrew	I'm like, She's also brilliant. She's like embarrassing to the rest of us.
Clay	She's speaking different languages. And how old is she?
Everett	Uh, she's nine.
Clay	Yeah. Yeah. And so she's speaking different languages to me. I'm like, you are such an impressive child. So my, my, my other things, um, as I've already told these two guys too, I don't watch a lot of TV shows or movies. Um, like I just watched the first star Wars while I've, while I've been here.
Andrew	Not episode one.
Everett	So you've set these up to be in the category. You have four that are in our normal categories of other things.
Clay	Yeah. So a movie that's better than a Knight's Tale. Pick any.
Andrew	I mean, that's not hard to find.
Clay	So my movie is Twister. So that's always near and dear being in the Midwest. That's real shit there. We get a Twister and we go on our front porch and look at it sort of thing. But for us, like even back in the day, we got our first DVD player with my folks and we got a free DVD. We got a free $80 DVD and we picked Twister. And so that's always been near and dear to my heart.
Everett	That's a good pick. Andrew, that's your wife's favorite movie.
Andrew	It is her favorite movie.
Clay	Yeah, it is. It is incredible.
Andrew	It's a movie that when she sees the opening credits, she cries.
Clay	It's terrifying.
Andrew	No, no, no. She cries with joy. Oh, no, no. I cry with fear. Oh my God.
Clay	Phil Paxson, Helena, it's happening. I've seen it 500 times and I still cry because I'm terrified. My folks made me watch it during a thunderstorm.
Andrew	That's, that's, the problem with Twister is, is it created a weird fear in her. So when we lived, when we lived in Texas, she, uh, we had like thunderstorms, right? Cause we were living in Texas and they just blow in out of nowhere. And she in her head was like, I heard always, if it sounds like there's a train, it means there's a tornado. And I'm like, I don't remember if I was deployed or if I was like gone for an extended period of time, but I'm gone. And she's telling me this over some text message service later in the day that she dragged our king size mattress into the bathroom and covered herself in the bathtub hours during this thunderstorm because she thought she heard a train and was convinced that it was going to be like Twister. She's like, it was an F5. I know it.
Clay	For the longest time. I never go to a drive-in movie theater. Smart. Yeah. Just because of there is going to be an F5 that's going to hit Makeda in St. Louis. All right.
Everett	Number two.
Clay	Number two. So YouTube channels. So you guys are big in the YouTubes. I'm a professional YouTuber watcher. I like to clean my truck as much as I like to get it dirty. And so one of my favorite, favorite, all-time favorite YouTube channels is the Detail Geek.
Everett	So good. Detail Geek. So good. One of those things. I do not ever do any of the things on that show, but I still get a, I still totally get a kick out of watching those videos.
Andrew	I'm glad that I know how to do it.
Clay	I know how to do it because of these channels. And I've always, you know, we'll just take it to the car wash, no big deal. But I've watched like his page and like, I have journals of how to detail my truck and I detail to like damn near pristine condition now. Because of watching all of these, all of his videos, I liked and subscribed to his videos.
Andrew	Smash that like button.
Everett	I really like the Ammo NYC guides too. Ammo NYC. So they've actually got like a line of detailing products, but also a really good detailing. So some of the videos are a little bit more sort of salesy, but.
Clay	And there's some like ASMR of like him, like shampooing carpets, just fucking shampooing carpets. I just watch all day. I watch a guy shampoo and power wash carpets. And that's that's erotic.
Everett	You know, it's my life. So you clearly know how to do this. So let's get on to number three.
Clay	So TV shows, TV shows. You guys, you guys also every time you guys talk about TV shows constantly and they're all TV shows I've never, ever, ever watched.
Everett	So real quick, before you do your TV show, Clay says to me the other day, he's you know, you guys are always talking about TV shows. I've only watched six TV shows from from beginning to end. And I was like, Oh, which ones? There's probably only six. I haven't watched. That's what I said. I said, it's only about six. I literally not a single one of them had I ever watched.
Andrew	Ooh.
Everett	Yeah.
Andrew	Interesting.
Clay	And they're so good. All right. So, so what's the, so, so, so my, my, my, my two, cause they're, they're kind of the same. So Longmire and Yellowstone, if you have never seen them and you want to be a rancher in your second life, I do not. or wear a cowboy hat and pull it off, please watch those TV shows.
Andrew	That's the one. Part two. That's the one.
Clay	They are so, just so good. I've, I've, that, those are the ones that I'll watch while I drive. They're, they're that good. Um, like I'll put it up on my, like, fuck the speedometer. I'll put my phone and watch these TV shows while I drive.
Andrew	I don't, don't tell the cop that. I was, I was joking. I was talking to one of my coworkers. It was weird. I got to work last night. One of my coworkers was like, you watch TV. I'm looking for a new TV show. Like have you seen Longmire? It's a show I really like. My friend just said that he watched Longmire. He's like, dude, I have never watched it and I was troubled because my grandma said, I was watching Longmire and it's not on the Netflix anymore. And I'm like, well, that's a weird thing because I'm certain it's still on the Netflix. So she doesn't know how to work the Netflix. That's something you should address with grandma, but you should watch it if for no other reason. And then this Randy Quaid looking dude is just as handsome as he gets. Like just watch it for that. It's like watching Justified because Timothy Oliphant is just like Like, leave a dent in your floor attractive.
Clay	Never seen that.
Everett	Check out Justified.
Andrew	I've only watched six. Check out Justified. It's a very similar ilk to Longmire.
Everett	I'm curious about this fourth category.
Clay	So item, item, things, things, things to hold and to love and to hold and to keep your beer cold. If you are, and this is good for parents or people who travel a lot, parents with kids who talk a lot.
Everett	Yeah. That's all parents with kids.
Clay	I got my first set of ever noise canceling ear devices, and I will never not wear something that's noise canceling again. So what I got was the Sony WH-1000XM3 used. Because I flip watches. You're going to sell these. I flip everything, right? So when I sell these again. Don't touch another dude's ears. Yeah, I cleaned them and I will clean them when I sell them. I kept the box and papers.
Andrew	The user manual in German and French.
Clay	Yeah. So these things, I put them on for the first time and I flew from St. Louis to here and it terrified me because I heard nothing and it was incredible. And then you take them off and you're like, is it always this loud? everywhere. It's a great experience, right? I was working on your kitchen counter and you were yelling at me.
Everett	Yeah, Betty and all your Betty and West and I were sitting on the couch and I was like, Clay's wearing his noise canceling headphones. Let's see if we can get his attention. And we were yelling 15 feet away, yelling.
Andrew	And kids have a pitch that is unreachable by human adults that cuts through everything.
Everett	We finally got to him, but it took a while.
Clay	Yeah. And so, and I'm skittles you through them. So like in the, in the big, like in the, in the YouTubing that I do, I research everything that I buy research. So I did the bows and there's another YouTube channel that like reviews every single noise canceling headphone known to man. And he goes into details about the Hertz and I don't care, but he felt that these were like the best value, the best bang for your buck. And so I got them and they're so
Andrew	So as somebody who's consumed all that media, why over ear versus in ear?
Clay	So I've got AirPods and the AirPod Pros as well, and they hurt. After so long, they just hurt my ear. Over the ear, I look like a dweeb, but I guess that's the thing.
Andrew	Or a DJ.
Clay	Yeah, or yeah, I'm about to break out the ones and twos here with this little mixer. I like it. My ears don't sweat. That's a thing. people worry about. They don't sweat. And I guess it does a better job of blocking out all of the ambient sound.
Andrew	Ear sweat?
Clay	Sweat around ears? That's the thing. YouTube it. Okay. Google it. I now have a topic. Yeah. Like one of the things like this, like when I was looking to try to figure out which headset to get, the guy's like, well, I've worn these for five hours and I don't have sweat. Like my ears don't sweat. Whereas like with other ones, it's ear sweat. It's a thing. it is a thing. So noise canceling, if you're a parent and you have loud kids, all kids, any sort of noise canceling headphones, I recommend them.
Everett	All right. Well, Clay, thanks so much, man. Anything you want to add before we get going for today?
Clay	No, I really appreciate you guys. This has been such a Awesome experience. I really appreciate you guys.
Everett	It's been super fun. Really a cool opportunity for us to sort of interact with people that we know, you know, friends. We've got these friends that we've never met in person. So really, really neat opportunity. So thanks for coming and thanks for agreeing to come on the show.
Andrew	And you're in Everett's stiff socks.
Everett	And or anything you want to add before we go. I'm done. All right. Well, thank you guys for joining us for this episode of 40 and 20 Watch Clicker podcast. You can check us out on Instagram at 40 and 20 or at Watch Clicker. You can check us out on the website, watchclicker.com. That is where we post every single episode of this podcast, as well as articles, reviews, weekly content, good stuff there. If you want to support the show, you can do so at patreon.com slash 40 and 20. That's where we get all the hosting monies for the website and for the podcast. And that's how we buy new hardware and stuff that's going to make the show a better experience for you. And don't forget to check us out next Thursday for another hour of watches, food, drinks, life, and other things we like. Bye-bye.