Episode 118 - Jeremy from Goodspeed Returns

Published on Wed, 27 Jan 2021 20:19:45 -0800

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This podcast episode features a discussion with Jeremy Berlin of Goodspeed Watches about his latest watch design, the Scout. Jeremy talks in-depth about the design process and inspiration behind the Scout, a vintage-inspired field watch with a unique sector dial. He also discusses the manufacturing process, challenges faced, and the decision to launch the watch on Kickstarter. Additionally, the hosts talk about various other topics like outdoor cooking equipment, bathroom scales, and soap.

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Andrew	Hello fellow watch lovers, nerds, enthusiasts, or however you identify. This is 40 in 20, the Watch Clicker podcast with your host, Andrew. I'm a good friend, Everett. Here, we talk about watches, food, drinks, life, and other things we like. Everett, how are you? Stinky. Yep. Yep. There's frogs in here. I hope the mic picked it up. It may have. There have been a couple caught on, caught on audio.
Everett	Yeah. No, it's good. It's good stuff too. It's healthy. Truly. Hmm. Truly strawberry lemonade. It's not good.
Andrew	It's not good. Decided to go something a little different today. Change it up. Well, I had to get gas on the way, so I got seltzer at the gas station. And I was like, oh, this kind of looks like it might, you know, be a little different. It's different in a bad way. I don't hate it. I mean, I'm going to drink it. It's going to kill me.
Everett	It gave me a little bit heartburn, but it's got like that. It's super acidic right off the bat. Mm hmm. And remarkably sweet for truly. Yeah. Yeah, I'm doing well. Sunday, nice and relaxed. Have a good long run. I had a good long run. We did 18 miles. Man, did you get lost? Is that what happened? Yeah, we're getting up in the miles. 40 mile or April 11th, so we've got to log some miles between now and then. That sounds awful, dude.
Andrew	How are you, bud? Got a little worn out. We're trying to get our house on the market. So yeah. Today was a painting madhouse. And you know something I. The last time or the last time I did big painting I was like you know what I'm going to finally get one of those like just like four foot paint poles that attach to the bottom of your paint roller. Just like I mean like a broom handle. Yeah. Like six bucks. But this seems like it'd make life a lot easier. And for those of you who don't have one. Do yourself a favor and get one. I have. Yeah. Why would you not have one? It just, it seems like a totally unessential tool to have, right? Like I have arms.
Everett	The most essential painting tool.
Andrew	Well, besides a brush. And now I would, I would agree with you now that having one of those sticks was like, it changed my life in the way of painting. No more bending over. No, no, no tippy toe in.
Everett	You know, for my days of selling paint and associated products, I have a extension purdy pole. It's like a fiberglass handle with an aluminum insert, and it locks it different. It's telescoping and locking, and it's like prized possession.
Andrew	Yeah. I almost got one of the expandable roller heads to get like an 18-inch wide roller, but I decided that would be too much.
Everett	Yeah, they're cumbersome.
Andrew	Yeah, because also paint trays don't fit them. You need a big paint tray. And I have bucket loads of just standard size paint trays. So that was my day. I woke up and just painted all day.
Everett	Yuck.
Andrew	Yeah. Not fun. Yuck.
Jeremy Berlin	Not fun. I hate painting.
Andrew	So yeah, I don't like the activity at all, but it's, um, you know, we're, we're still just plugging away on it. I just got a blink camera notification.
Everett	Oh boy. Something's happening. No. Is this your new life, just checking your blink cameras all the time?
Andrew	I just check it when I'm not home. I don't ever check the live, but when I get a notification, I look and see what camera activated. This was the indoor one, so it means that my wife just sat down on the couch and rustled the curtains.
Everett	So, all right. Well, we're talking about watches today. We are. And actually, we brought someone to talk about watches.
Andrew	Which is unusual now for us.
Everett	We haven't had somebody on in a while. Yeah, nobody interesting to talk to.
Andrew	plenty of people. They just don't want to talk to us.
Everett	I don't blame them. Yeah, that's right. We found one who was willing though. We found one that was willing. Hey, uh, Jeremy, are you still on the line? Did we lose you already? No, I'm here guys. Jeremy Berlin game. Good speed watches. Thank you for joining us for this episode of 40 and 20.
Jeremy Berlin	I am happy to be here. Thanks for having me.
Everett	Absolutely. So you were on the show last September, October ish. Yeah. To talk about your Sonoma Chronograph. That's right.
Jeremy Berlin	Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It was October of 2019. Yeah. A while ago.
Everett	Yeah. That's right. It seems it both seems like not very long ago and an eternity and like a million years ago.
Andrew	Yeah. Yeah. I agree. But good news on the Sonoma. It fully funded. Yeah. Went to production. You still have some available on your website. Am I correct?
Jeremy Berlin	Yeah, I have like maybe four left. It's pretty slim. There's only a few left, but there's still a few. The mechanicals are the ones that are still there. But yeah, but for the most part, I would call them nearly sold out. Right. So.
Andrew	All right. So we've got you here today to talk about. The newest iteration, watch number three, Are we going to call it three? I think three is appropriate.
Everett	Yeah, I think this is your third. This is your third watch. This will be your second watch that goes to production, right?
Andrew	Well, it shall go to production. We're the good luck charm.
Jeremy Berlin	That's right. Fingers crossed. Yeah.
Everett	We're here to talk about your fantastic field watch. I think it's fair to call this a field watch. Perhaps a go anywhere, do anything watch. Dress sport in that family. the Scout, the Scout, which is being announced on Kickstarter, which has been announced, but we'll go live on Kickstarter this week.
Jeremy Berlin	Yeah. Yep. Yep. On February 1st. Yeah. I'm excited. Um, you know, I, this, this watch has been in the, kind of the works for quite a while. I, I've had this one on the back burner and didn't rush it. You know, I'd put, I'd, uh, work on it for a little bit design wise and then step away for a couple months and then pick it back up and say, well, I didn't, what was I thinking? That doesn't look right. This needs to be changed, you know, that sort of thing. So kind of took my time. This was, I mean, I had a draft of this watch when we talked last time but it didn't look anything like what it looks like today. It looked a lot clunkier and Not as refined and, you know, it just looked like a first draft. And I finally decided that I, you know, after putting it down and picking it back up, you know, letting a couple months pass, picking it back up, taking a look at it, I finally decided, you know, I think I'm done. I think it's where I Can envision it to be and where I want it to look like and it's kind of checking all the boxes that I wanted to check and I think it's time to to make it and Start to get it out into people's phones and computer screens and that sort of thing so well, so I think Many of our listeners if not all of our listeners Will at this point have at least seen pictures of the watch because they've been circulating for a month and a half for two months now pretty regularly
Everett	Uh, and, and I think you've got some pretty good traction on this thing. Um, why don't we give, why don't you give us just some basic specifications? We've got one here, right? So we're, Andrew and I are handling one right now. Why don't you give us just the basic specs, kind of what you're, what you're going for, what you wound up with and how we got here.
Jeremy Berlin	Yeah. Yeah. So, I mean, what I ended up with was this, um, I wanted a watch that was kind of a cross between a field watch and a more dressy piece. Because I think if you think about a really traditional field watch, like a Hamilton khaki, that is like the quintessential, my definition of a field watch. Any watch that looks like it was from World War II, soldiers would have worn, that's a field watch.
Everett	Sure, like a G10, W10, that sort of thing.
Jeremy Berlin	Exactly. And that's awesome and it's great, but I don't think you would really wear that to your wedding or to a formal event. And so, And at the same time, though, I wanted a watch that wasn't like a tank where it was extremely and exclusively dressy and you wouldn't wear that on a hike. And so the idea was designing a watch that had the specs of a good field watch with 200 meters of water resistance and sapphire crystal and that sort of thing. have all the numbers illuminated and that kind of thing. I tried to put my own spin on it and design a watch that hadn't ever been created before. The idea is that you can take this watch and go anywhere with it. Um, you know, you could wear it to a wedding or to a funeral or to a hike, or you could swim with it. Um, whatever you want to do, this watch is going to get in the way. And, um, and that was the, that was the kind of driver behind, uh, the design and, and, uh, the, the choices and the specifications and movement, et cetera.
Everett	Yeah. Walk us, walk us through the specs on this thing.
Jeremy Berlin	Yeah, so it's got the Miota 9039. And the reason I chose that, I mean, you know, I, last time I was on here, I talked about how I like to design watches that I like primarily. And then, you know, with, with the hope and that they're going to resonate with other folks as well, um, obviously. So, um, but at the same time, I don't want to kind of distance myself too far from my own design aesthetic. And so, um, you know, I want to be a watch that I would wear in any color way that I design. I want it to be something that I love. And, um, So I chose the three colors and then recently added the fourth color in crimson red. But as far as going back to the Miota 9039, I chose that movement primarily because it's a thin, Thin movement the watch comes in at about 10 millimeters. Yeah pretty good for You know keeping it out out of the way and not too bulky and that sort of thing And I'm not a huge fan. I'm just not a date Fan, I don't I don't I don't write checks anymore, so I don't need to know what date is and so Then you know the 9039 is a no date movement. There's no ghost position in the crown so that's a definite plus. And yeah, I think this movement's been getting a lot of, and there's a lot of other brands that are using it, and I think it's got a track record of being a well-received and kind of a workhorse movement, so.
Everett	Yeah, I think oftentimes Miyota gets discussed as the 9039 or 90S5 or, you know, the whole 9000 series of automatic movements, I think, a lot of times get discussed as maybe an upgrade to the Seiko, to the NH or 4R movement.
Jeremy Berlin	Yeah, they're a little more expensive than those.
Everett	Yeah. So probably about three times as expensive would be my guess, not being someone who buys movements regularly. Am I about right on there? Yeah. So, you know, you can do the math at home. If you have any idea what a bulk NH movement costs, a bulk Seiko movement. This is going to be about three times that. So when you see Miyota movements and watches, you got to factor that in. But I think oftentimes it gets discussed as maybe in between the Seiko and the Solita at a 28, 24, you know, movements. I think that's a little unfair. or maybe a little irrational. Maybe not fair. Who cares about fair? I think the Miyota movement's actually probably the best of those four in terms of function, its ability to do the thing it's supposed to do. People have a few criticism about the Miyota, you know, the single directional winding and the helicoptering, I think, are the biggest ones you hear. But outside of that, it's three point nine or 3.8 something millimeters thick, which I think is thinner still than the 28, 24 or the Salida version. Is it, is it, am I, am I accurate on that? Jeremy, do you know?
Jeremy Berlin	You're a hundred percent. Yeah, you, you got it. Yeah. So I wanted to watch that, you know, I wanted that movement to be thin. I wanted this watch to not have a huge presence on the wrist and, um, as far as the, the thickness and, um, you know, as well as the case size as well. So I chose 38 and a half millimeters on the case size. Um, personally, I mean, I think that's a really nice size. I, um, you know, I think, so I have some vintage Omega that are 33 millimeters and I wear them. Um, you know, I, I don't think I'll ever come out with a 33 millimeter watch. I don't think it would go not for a man at least it wouldn't do very well.
Everett	I don't think the market, I don't think the market wants that. You'd sell at least two though. I would dig it. You'd sell a handful of them. Yeah.
Jeremy Berlin	Yeah. And even like 36, I mean, I know, I know, um, there's a lot of fans of 36 out there. I just think, um, I just, I'm trying to, I don't want to make multiple case sizes for one. It's really expensive to, to have these different molds made. So, I mean, this case is not, um, this case is not off the rack. It's, you know, it's, it was made for me and, um, and for this watch. So, um, you know, I'm not, I didn't choose this size just because it was available by the manufacturer from some other brand or, or what have you. So, um, so it could have made it in 36. I could have made it in 35.2, but, um, you know, I chose 30 and a half. I feel that's a really good size, uh, for most people. And I know that a lot of people are probably going to argue with me and say, well, dude, you know, I don't wear anything under 44, but, and you know what?
Everett	Those guys are dumb. Right. Or just this isn't the watch for them, right? Right. Exactly. They can go to Macy's and buy any single watch in the case and it'll be plenty big for them.
Andrew	44 to 48, about 16 millimeters thick. Right. Maybe have some bedazzling.
Everett	I think you're right in there. I think it's a great case size. You managed to get 200 meters of water resistance here in a 38 and a half millimeter case with only 10 millimeters of height. You don't have a big domed sapphire crystal, which I think probably helps you with that height, but that's still a good number with 200 meters of water resistance.
Jeremy Berlin	Yeah, you know, the last two watches were both domed and I decided to do this one as a flat crystal. I think it, I don't know if you guys have noticed, but it's a lot easier to photograph for one thing without having this, you know, convex mirror on top of your wrist. I don't really care how many layers of anti-reflectivity put on it still. A domed crystal still reflects a lot of light.
Everett	Yeah, in particular domed sapphire. It can be really tricky.
Andrew	And flat is the right choice for this style of watch. I think domed would be a weird choice.
Jeremy Berlin	I agree. Yeah. So screw down crown to get that waterproofness as well. I really like how it's signed. I'm happy how I brought that logo into the crown signature.
Everett	Yeah. You're, you're signing on the crown, I think is one of the things as you turn the watch over and you inspect it, I think the crown is probably one of those details that kind of surprised me at how good it is. Um, it's, it feels like a piece from a much more expensive watch.
Jeremy Berlin	Yeah. Thank you. Thanks. Yeah. You know, um, You know, you think about, I mean, you guys, you guys know, you're talking to the same people. There's a lot of overlap in micro brand manufacturing. I mean, I don't think anyone really knows. I mean, even amongst us brands, anyone really knows the degree of overlap there is. I think only the manufacturing houses could be really the ones that could tell you exactly who they make what for.
Everett	Right, right. And the OEMs guard that stuff.
Andrew	And they don't share it.
Jeremy Berlin	Right. Right, exactly. So, I mean, you know, these same manufacturing places are making the same watches. And so you kind of have to ask yourself as a brand, what am I bringing to the table? And we can kind of say, and to some degree, I'm not saying this across all micro brands, but I think among some of the top and better micro brands, the quality is going to be almost identical across the board. You're not, you're not really buying quality and there's not going to be a huge discrepancy between, um, some of the brands other than perhaps quality control checks that the brands then run their watches through after they take, take the order back. But, um, you know, and so just trying to think about the, basically the value proposition of, of what I'm offering in this watch and, Um, you know, and that comes down to price and it comes down to the look of the watch and whether it resonates with the right people and for the right reasons. And, um, so, you know, I think that's something I try to think about when I'm pricing a watch and designing one and all that.
Everett	Yeah. And I think in terms of specs and quality, you're, you're hitting it on the head. Um, I think we would, we sort of, gotten real close to it, but we should probably talk about the most striking thing about this watch, which in my mind is the dial. Tell us about your design of the dial. Tell us about the process to get there. What sort of mental iterations or design iterations you went through and how you settled on this, what I'm going to call a sector dial. I think that's fair to say. How did you get here?
Jeremy Berlin	You know, like I said, I really wanted to watch that was unique and that hadn't been done before and had a lot of vintage throwback to it. I mean, not to say there aren't brands that are doing a sector dial, you know, even Troska's summits here, it hints at a sector dial with like a raised portion of the number ring area. It's raised to kind of show, but you know, really this, this watch is a throwback to some of the, you know, vintage watches in the 1930s and 40s. And where I think from kind of my research sector dials really started to take off and they had more of a popularity back then. And the difference here, though, is I really wanted, I don't know exactly where I came up with the idea, but this idea that the numbers and the hour markers would be a negative space where the brushing would show through. You know, I don't really, that wasn't really something I had seen before, and it was something I thought was unique. And I knew there were going to be limitations for as far as people who are loom, diehard loom nerds, but I thought it would be cool enough to do and not have the loom, um, be a, be a big player in that.
Everett	So, yeah, it is loomed, but, but not, uh, not such that each of the markers are filled with loom.
Jeremy Berlin	Right, exactly. And so, you know, I originally talking about, um, the design aspects of this watch, like I said, this, I had a lot of different versions of this, you know, the first version actually had, um, The hour markers were little diamonds instead of circles. As an example, I tried it with all numbers, you know, one through 12. I at one point had two versions with Roman numerals and also one with just the Arabic numbers. And when it came down to it, I really, you know, I really liked it, but it didn't look quite right. You know, just didn't all tied together in the way that I wanted it to. And so I started to, you know, it's kind of like, um, what I would imagine, like carving of carving something out of a block of wood, you kind of keep taking wood off until you finally get down to what exactly is you want without anything that you don't need, um, really. So, um, so yeah, I have the, the, the three colors originally the three original and, um, And I wanted them to be all kind of in the same color family, if that makes sense, not be too different from each other. Sure. But and there is a design constraint. One of the design constraints is that in order to get the contrast, the color has to be dark enough. So one of my first the first three colors I had were actually black, green and cream. And the cream really didn't show through enough. You couldn't see the background through the, um, the cream ring.
Everett	So, um, is the, is the dial. So, so the base material, is that an anodized aluminum?
Jeremy Berlin	Um, it's actually brass, but it's, um, you know, it's, um, it's coated and then brushed.
Everett	Yeah. Okay. So it's got some sort of plating and then you brush the plating. Yeah.
Jeremy Berlin	I see. I see. Yeah. So yeah, so you have the three colors. And then most recently thought of the, the crimson, add that in that should actually, I should actually, so one thing else to notice, I went through a lot of prototyping with these watches. I mean, I mentioned that they'd been a work in progress for a while and that sort of thing. But so this usually like on the Sonoma, most of all the, versioning happened just digitally with, you know, just files on the internet. This one actually had multiple watches made and all of that to get to what we see today. And so you don't, you're never going to see those watches, right. But, but they are out there. I mean, they're in my drawer, but, you know, they happened and I, and it really was talking about process. It was really different seeing those watches come to life and then going, Oh man, this doesn't, this is close, but this isn't right. This isn't perfect.
Everett	So talk us through some of that stuff.
Andrew	Hang on one, one kind of aside. Did you say they're in my cooler?
Jeremy Berlin	Did I say that? I meant to say my drawer. Oh, okay.
Andrew	I was like, why do you keep your watches in a cooler? I thought we just stumbled upon something that we were doing wrong. I was like, man, secret. Yeah. Okay. Yeah, so let's talk us through that iterating and what that process looks like. And because this is one of the challenges that I think every brand owner faces. And I think it's something that we miss as watch consumers is everything that goes in to that final product. And once we kind of get away from the dial and the case, I want to work our way down to the end links through the bracelet to the class. I want to talk about that process because none of this seems like at least to you and from what we know of you, none of this is just an afterthought. Nothing is just grabbed on the way out the door. Right. It's all very deliberate. And that's what I'm curious about.
Jeremy Berlin	Yeah. So, I mean, a part of it is, you know, really as my brand and network has gotten bigger over the last couple of years, I've been able to recruit more folks To kind of act as a sounding board for some of the ideas that I've had or and I only really share ideas when I think I need to or want to or have something to share or that sort of thing. you know, I got some really good feedback this last for the scout and, um, changed the little things. And, um, and so that really, that really helped to kind of get us, you know, the person's perspective on, on what they were looking at. And, you know, they're, they're not, when you come and look at a watch for the first time, they don't have the 12, 14, months worth of kind of agonizing that I have. And, and I might be myopic to something that is glaringly obvious to everybody else. So, um, so that's a piece of it. And I, you know, I, I appreciate having that level of feedback that I can get from folks. Um, but yeah, being able to make these watches, get a version saying that's not right. Let's do it again, but let's do this differently. Um, I mean like this good speed logo with the good speed in the globe, I'm going to dial that changed three or four different times until I was finally happy with the way it looked. And, you know, I really like watches with globes on the logo. There's some, there's a few like the Edox, Ocean Sphere, I think it's called. There's a couple of them that really speak to me. So I thought, you know, let's just, let's just do that. I like, I like the way that looks. You know, it kind of is that simple, really, but it's not that simple.
Everett	Yeah, it feels very like 1950s, 1960s World's Fair. Yeah. The imagery feels it that really sort of modern world of the future feel that we think of as retro now.
Andrew	Yeah, super antiquated and very, very vintage feeling it like it evokes some kind of sentiment of a time that you were not a part of, right?
Jeremy Berlin	Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Yeah. Um, yeah, no. Um, yeah, I appreciate that. Yeah. I think that's exactly the kind of feel I was going for and, um, and You know, I think it all came together really well. I'm really, really proud of how it came out. I think it's a simple in a lot of ways. I mean, it's a pretty simple watch. I mean, um, there's nothing, it doesn't tell the time. I mean the temperature or anything like that. Um, it just, you know, it does, it does time it three handed, but, um, you know, it's not easy to put out another watch that doesn't look exactly like something else. Exactly. Um, or doesn't look like the worst parts of five different watches or whatever, what have you, you know, it's a, it's a, it's a challenge to, um, put them together. That's unique enough that people want to wear it and, um, and to buy it.
Everett	So, well, so for the folks at home who don't regularly make watches, what are some of the things that happen? You know, you've now, you've now, um, designed, designed several watches and I assume some that we haven't seen And you've got experience at this point, going through the manufacturing process, working with OEMs. What are the things about that process that the folks at home might not know, might not be able to envision, you know, what kind of difficulties you're going to have in doing that?
Jeremy Berlin	Yeah, well, so the Kickstarter fund, this So for the Sonoma, for example, the Kickstarter funded in November. It started in October. It ended in November. It was a month long. It ended November. Kickstarter takes like three weeks to process the funds and send those over to you. And then it's about that time you put your order in with your manufacturing partner. And so that all happened. Great. And then And then COVID hit and everything was shut down everywhere, right? Even, I mean, it doesn't matter if I made these watches in Toledo, Ohio or Shenzhen, China, nothing was working for a number of months. So, you know, I think We actually didn't, I mean, there were delays. So this watch didn't, the Sonoma didn't ship until early June, which is a long time to put some money down and not see a watch back. But, you know, I tried to keep communication high with all my backers and customers to let them know what was happening and when we were thinking things were going to start moving again and all that sort of stuff. So I tried to stay on the ball as far as communication so people didn't think that they were high and dry. But, so yeah, so typically that manufacturing process should take about three months. In this case, it took about six months because three months were shut down. Nothing was open. So, I mean, obviously there's things like that. There's those kind of unknowns that happen that can throw a wrench into things. But, you know, going back to something as far as the Kickstarter goes and just kind of my own philosophy about it is I My philosophy is that the watch that someone clicks and supports on Kickstarter is the watch that they receive. And if you want to upgrade that watch somehow, if you want to enhance the bracelet clasp with something, or if you want to offer another strap, or if you... Blah, blah, blah. All for it. But I don't think that you should really change anything substantial about the watch, like at all. And so... that's something that I really tried to stick to. Um, and, and so unless there's a, something crazy happens, I see no, you know, no reason to change what people agreed to buy. I think it's kind of a contract. And, um, and so I'm going to uphold my side by saying, this is the watch you bought and this is the watch you're going to get and not, Oh, we decided to change the logo, uh, in February and now it looks like a blank, you know?
Everett	Yeah. Well, so, so, On that note, we've got a prototype in our hands. Anything that from this prototype to production models that's going to be different than what we look at, what we're looking at here?
Jeremy Berlin	So one thing I'm looking at doing is, um, I've talked to folks and try, you know, kind of taking a straw poll on, on drilled lugs. And, um, some people hate them and some people love them as is most often the case with most things. Um, in the watch world. So I'm actually looking at offering both and letting people decide whether they want their lungs to be drilled or not. Um, I think some people will love it. And, um, and some people will love not having it. So, um, you know, that's one thing where I, I'm going to offer some option. Um, other than that, I, I really don't, uh, I'm pretty happy with the way it turned out. I mean, that's the thing. I wouldn't put it out there if I wasn't. happy with it. Um, unless someone points out something that's easy to fix and terrible that, you know what I mean? Um, then, then it's like, Oh, that's a good idea. Why did I think of that? Okay, sure. But I kind of thought about everything I think, um, as far as how I think the watch should look and you know, there's going to be people that say, I don't like it. I think the colors are wrong or blah, blah, blah. That's fine. Uh, don't buy it. I mean, um, But I'm not going to change it for that one guy who messages me on Instagram, you know? Yeah, yeah, sure. It's like, well, um, sorry, but that's, you know, uh, that's the way it is.
Andrew	Well, yeah, cause you're not making watches for that one guy. You're making watches for, for you, that one guy. And it happens to be that a bunch of other people like the watches that you also like, right?
Jeremy Berlin	Right. It isn't undone, right. Where you can customize and have your grandma's name printed on the dial. Um, That's a good idea. Yeah.
Everett	Yeah. Elma Jean for me.
Jeremy Berlin	Mine would be the Doris. Um, so, um, yeah, so I really tried it. So like I said, I mean, there's a lot that goes into behind what, what you see and you won't see all of that work and all that kind of, um, you know, missteps and that sort of thing. And, um, but that's okay. And yeah, I just, I would just want people to know that what they're getting is something that's been in the process for quite a while, quite a while. And I've tried to think of everything to, to make it exactly the kind of way I would want it to look in my head. So, I mean, originally, so originally this watch started out more like a a Rolex 1016, the, the original Explorer. And, um, you know, it had the three, six, nine and, um, it, the case, I mean, the case is very similar to that, um, that design and, um, yeah, you've done a good job capturing that classic, that classic sort of Opie oyster style case, uh, which is not a criticism at all.
Everett	It's clearly, its own watch, but it's got that classic case design and proportions.
Jeremy Berlin	Yeah. Yeah. And that's exactly the, what I was going for really, you know, it was kind of being a, um, kind of a throwback to that, that time and that watch. And, um, but again, not having, you know, there's been a, I mean, there's been a number of field watches that come out in the last three or four years. And, um, um, I think this one's, I think this one's a little different and, um, and I'm proud of that. So,
Andrew	And the way the color plays on on that dial and bounces off of the the colored ring from different light angles, it almost looks like a gold, a gold back dial. It's the way it captures light is really cool. And and and going without a chapter ring, just going dial straight to the edge of the case, I think really supports that that color play in there. I think it's it's really cool the way you work those colors.
Jeremy Berlin	Thanks. Yeah, you guys have the green one. I think that green has the most color shift. You know, if you look at some of my pictures on my website or on Instagram, a lot of them are of the green one, but it looks black almost.
Everett	Yeah, that's right. It goes from everything from OD to more of a Kelly green to black. I mean, just the shift of a wrist.
Jeremy Berlin	Right, right. Which I think is really cool. I mean, I in the Kickstarter. So I've already built the Kickstarter and all that. And, you know, I've even put in the caption, like, this is the green one just because it looks black, but it's not, it's not black in that light. It looks like another light. So I want people to understand that. I think it's a cool feature of the watch. Cause it kind of, it depends on the lighting around you. And even like you mentioned, The silver the silver dial, I mean, depends on the light around you. You know, if you're in a sunset, it's going to look kind of pink or whatever color the sky is, which is kind of neat.
Andrew	So did you go with a AR coating on the. Yeah. On the dial or on the.
Jeremy Berlin	You'll have that. Yeah. On the inside, there's a coating to help reflect, cut down the reflection.
Everett	Was it difficult to get 200 meters of water resistance in this case, in the form factor?
Jeremy Berlin	No, I think, like you said, the flat crystal, the screw-down crown, it all came, they all pressure test and all that to make sure that it meets the stated requirements. Yeah, it didn't have any issues. I was happy with that. I really wanted something, you know, there's some field watches that like are 50 meters and it's like, how is, okay. So cough, cough, Hamilton, cough. Yeah. If you want to jump in the lake, you got to take your watch off. That seems like a mistake to me. Or if you fall in the lake. Right, right, exactly. Yeah. So, um, you know, I wanted this watch to be built tough, like a tank, but not look like a tank. And so that was pretty, that was a pretty critical, you know, component of all that.
Everett	So, you know, one of the, not a question that gets posed, but sort of a statement that gets made about watches. We hear this all the time. But, but generally I think we see folks lamenting watches, all watches, not any specific watch, all watches, in the fashion of, this isn't worth X because Y is also available at the same price or less money. And I think that that's really reductionist, one. Two, sometimes it's fair. Um, for, for folks at home, I, I've got an interesting question and, and, uh, or at least it's interesting to me. Uh, where do you, and nobody else that's right. Where, where is the money in this watch? You know, obviously we've talked about the movement. You're getting a really, really high caliber movement in here relative, uh, to other watches. And, and certainly we've got the specs, right? This passes the spec smell test. Where's the design? Where's the money in this watch that is maybe different than, say, the Sonoma or the Petrel, even in theory?
Jeremy Berlin	Like, why is the price point higher than those two watches?
Everett	Yeah, I'm not asking you specifically that. I think the price point on this watch is fine. More, sort of, where does your money go into this watch? You, when you're calculating cost of goods, What are your big line items on a watch like this?
Jeremy Berlin	Well, I mean, um, you know, the case is all CNC out of a single block of stainless steel. So that's not really, you know, that's not cheap. Um, and then, you know, putting it all together and, and, and obviously the, the movement piece of it all, that's, um, that's a big, big piece of the price as well. Um, and then, you know, honestly, the things that are, The things that are baked into the retail price that you wouldn't even think of are like the duties fees to get the watches back into the United States. Like those are very high. So there's things out there, you know, that are in the price that you probably wouldn't even think of as a, you know, as a person just interested in watches and think they look cool.
Andrew	So I would like to keep talking about the Scout, but we're going to we're going to start running short on time because I really want to talk about your marketing materials. Mm hmm. Yeah. Where did that. So I know that this this watch that I mean really all of your watches are vintage inspired. But I the way that you've recreated these one sheets like these these magazine pages for marketing purposes, perfectly integrated these watches that they really highlight that, that vintage aesthetic that, that your watches represent and they, they pair perfectly. Like this is, this is a page that I would expect to see in my, in, in a magazine at my grandparents' house. I just, I want to hear about the, your inspiration for these, how you get to, And the idea that came behind it, where you're getting your imagery and, and how you're building these out.
Jeremy Berlin	Yeah, sure. So, you know, when I, um, if you look back at the Sonoma, there's some photos that I took of, um, like the watch on, uh, an old vintage ad for like a Valvoline, uh, motor oil or, you know, a champion spark plug. And, um, So I bought those old magazines off of eBay for 10 bucks or whatever. And that is where the idea was born for those ads. I was looking through some of those magazines and, you know, I was really, really liking the vintage ads that were in there and thought, you know, it'd be cool if I made something like that or I had somebody make something like that for the Scout. And, you know, it all came together. It was funny because originally what I was doing was, so I have some design people that I've hired before for little things. And, um, my idea was, I'm just going to mock something up. Um, because if I just, if I go to somebody, a designer and say, this is what I'm thinking, they're not going to get the idea, you know, like they're, if I show them an ad for a champion spark plug from 1952, okay, they kind of get an idea of what I'm thinking, but they're not going to, I don't want to spend $5,000 for them to spend 500 hours mocking this up. So my idea was, you know what I'm gonna do? I'm going to lock these up best I can, and then I'm going to turn it over to a designer and then they can just make it pretty and you know, uh, add whatever touches that they want to add to it and that sort of thing. Um, so, you know, I started with, I think the black one and, um, the black scout and, um, and just how a lot of fun just playing around with, uh, the wording and the font and trying to find, um, uh, something that really lifted that spirit. It had like kind of those vintage ads have kind of a, They're kind of playful in a way. I mean, they're like kind of silly or or even playful, like the car of your dreams. You know, you get a date and it's like very kind of simple in that way and kind of that old school way about them. And so, you know, I kind of mocked up the the copy and and the fonts and brought in the the section photos of the final product I was going to use. And And then, you know, kind of realized at the time that I really didn't need to send these off to any designers, that this was like kind of good enough. And this gets exactly across what I'm trying to do. And, um, and, and that's when I shared them on Instagram and, um, got a lot of great feedback on, on them for, um, what they were and what they were trying to do. And, and again, I think, you know, the idea is how are we, um, How am I going to brand this watch to be vintage-esque? And I thought that those kind of retro ads were a good way of playing up that kind of take that I'm taking with these watches. They kind of fit.
Andrew	Are you going to do one for the Crimson?
Jeremy Berlin	Yeah, I am. Yeah, I have to do that. I've got a week to go. So on the Kickstarter, I actually, I only added one just because, um, you know, it might be a little, a little much having all three on there or four. Um, just keep things simple. I, you know, I've backed a lot of Kickstarter projects. Um, and, um, sometimes I'm amazed at how, uh, complex they are.
Everett	Yeah. You've got these $10,000 Kickstarter campaigns.
Jeremy Berlin	Well some of them are like really they're like the watches are all numbered and I have to memorize that like BR037 is the cream one the cream chronograph one and it just come like make it easy on the guys like what's it what's it called and that kind of thing so um so I try to keep the Kickstarter pretty simple and and really I mean despite what you want to think um The people who are going to back this watch on Kickstarter, they already know they're going to back this watch on Kickstarter. And I don't know how many people that is. That could be 50 or it could be 150 or whatever. But the Kickstarter piece of it, Kickstarter brings nothing to the table other than a platform to make this transaction happen on. I mean, in my experience, they really don't bring you customers. I mean, they say they Um, but it doesn't really happen.
Everett	You've got to do, you've got to do the footwork on the market.
Jeremy Berlin	Yeah. And I think that was a mistake I made with the petrol was I, I assumed, um, well being on this platform, I'm sure there's people who buy watches on Kickstarter. And when this watch comes up, I'm sure there'll be sent an email saying, Hey, there's this new law. You should know about it. Um, that does happen. And they do. I mean, it's possible to get, I get on the front page of Kickstarter. Kickstarter has a little recommendations thing for you, etc. But I think, at least initially, I overestimated the effect that that was going to have on sales.
Everett	Yeah, I think you're putting your hands in God a little bit there.
Andrew	I hope you make some prints of these pages. I would buy prints for sure.
Jeremy Berlin	Okay. Yeah, actually there's one I'm looking at one right now. I have it up in the garage. I framed one of them and I have it up on the wall to kind of serve as a inspiration for all this, all this stuff I'm doing.
Andrew	So do you have any plans for your next project to move away from Kickstarter as, as your, as your platform?
Jeremy Berlin	So this today I read, I listened to your guys' podcast on pre-orders. And I did agree with, I did agree with you guys about, you were talking, one of the things that was mentioned was, might have been Will, that it gets kind of weird on like the fourth and fifth watch to be on Kickstarter. Like, what's going on there? And I totally agree with that. You know, honestly, like Yema on, however you pronounce it, Yema, Yema, Yema on Kickstarter, What is that? What is that about? I mean, they don't. Yeah, that seems strange to me. I mean, the watch looked great. Not that has nothing to do with the watch. It's about what it. I don't understand that, you know, and even, you know, a brand like Hellgray that they're I mean, they they exclusively like launch on Kickstarter and they make a lot of money doing it, which is kudos to them. But again, it's kind of like, hmm. So with that said, I mean, they're I think at a certain point I will probably get off Kickstarter, though there are some really simple reasons why it makes a lot of sense. And it's not even financial. It is financial, but it doesn't necessarily have to be financial. You know, like you guys said, it's like how many people are going to buy the Scout on February 1st? Like 75? or 175 or some other number or seven. I mean, you know, um, so how many watches should I make and in what color? I mean, is it going to be a 25% split between all the colors? I seriously doubt it, but right. And I know I have my preference on color, but it might, you know, I might be surprised. So, I mean, it comes down to that as well. You know, one of the things about the Sonoma, you know, that Pepsi bezel that I put on there, I got so much shit for that. Like every YouTube comment was like, what the hell is this? Doesn't have, you know, it's not a GMT, but it has a Pepsi bezel.
Everett	Yeah.
Jeremy Berlin	We talked about that when we had you on too, I think, right? That Pepsi bezel was the, biggest selling colorway of all the watches. It's sold out first, yada, yada, yada. So you can't, I mean, and I, you know, if I listened to the haters, I wouldn't have even offered it and it was the number one selling watch. So it's just impossible to know what people are going to do and what's really going to resonate with folks.
Everett	Um, ultimately your job is to be able to provide the amount of watches that people want. So you're not wasting money on people on watches people don't want. And Kickstarter provides a unique opportunity to be able to accomplish that goal.
Jeremy Berlin	Yeah, right. Exactly. And the thing is, you know, if I was going to do like, um, my own, like no preorder, just, I'm going to have, you know, the John Mayer watch, we're going to do 50 of them or however many, you know, 150 of them, a finite number. You know, what the consequence would be is that there would be fewer watches available and there are fewer colors available. I would like just do green and then I would just say, well, I'm going to sell 75 green and then that's, that's the end of it.
Andrew	And you leave, you leave a lot of money on the table that way. Yeah. Or you don't, right? Like there, there's, it's a weird, it's a weird balance to strike. And that's, that's why I asked the question. I'm just wondering, I'm wondering what the, what the longterm good speed plan is.
Jeremy Berlin	Yeah, well, I mean, I think I would like to do. I would like to not do Kickstarter at some point. Just because I think there are a whole other host of issues that. That you know that that creates this this time I'm doing a seven day Kickstarter, which is. Which is fun, so it's just going to be up there for seven days and we'll see what happens again. Like I said, you know, 10 minutes ago, um, everyone already knows that they want to buy this watch. They've already decided that they're going to buy it or they're not going to buy it. And, um, they don't need 30 days to decide they have people who follow me on Kickstarter. I'm on Instagram, have been seeing this watch in their feed every two days for the last two months. So, um, I've either convinced them that this is, um, a really cool watch, which I think it is, or they're unimpressed.
Everett	Um, and we'll find out, um, we'll find out in, you know, a short amount of time here, but, um, Jeremy, tell us when the watch is going to be available, uh, how much it's going to cost, how many, you know, early bird, uh, options folks have, um, that sort of thing.
Jeremy Berlin	Yeah. Yeah. So February 1st, it's a Monday. Um, at least, yeah, it's a Monday and, um, it's going to start at three 60, uh, $360. um, for the first 75 watches. And, um, and then it goes up $30 each, each increment is like a $30, um, extra.
Everett	And what's your landing RP on this?
Jeremy Berlin	I'm sorry, say it again.
Everett	What's, what's the, what's the final price on this guy? The retail price.
Jeremy Berlin	Oh, retail price. I'm sorry. Um, you know, I'm thinking somewhere around, what everyone else is charging for the same movement, you know, somewhere around the 475, $500 mark.
Everett	All right, good stuff. So, so a significant savings on this watch. If you get in, if you get in on that day one, early bird special, and obviously all of the colors up to 75 watches is, is, I believe what you're saying. over all the colors, your first 75 watches.
Jeremy Berlin	That's right. You don't you don't even choose the color until the Kickstarter is like fully complete. And at that point, you'll get to say that I'll send out a survey and you'll get to say, I want the I want the crimson one, et cetera. And just for people, I mean, I think there's a big misnomer. I've seen if you look on kick track, you can see the number of lost sales that people have in the last couple of days. And people like start pulling out like crazy. And I think, I think part of the reason, I don't think it's actually buyer's remorse. I think people are concerned that they're not going to, like they're going to lose their money or that if they, if they back a watch and it doesn't get funded, that they still pay the money or something that's completely not true. You only, your credit card only gets charged once the campaign is successful and like ends, not just that it meets the target, but that the time period ends. In this case, they'll be seven days, but in other cases, watches might be on there for 30 days or what have you.
Andrew	Here's my bet for colorway success. I'm going to go green, black, red, blue.
Jeremy Berlin	Okay.
Everett	Yeah, that's my guess too. I actually think I like the blue best of all, but I think... I do too. I think that's right. Marco Amaras did a... review on the blue and his lighting setup. He's got a pretty he's got a pretty good lighting setup for his for actually showcasing the dials. And I thought, golly, that thing looks really, really great.
Jeremy Berlin	It was really blue. And I've never seen it that blue, super blue.
Everett	That's right.
Andrew	Blue is hard to get out. Like it's hard to capture blue. I mean, the the Blue Bay 58 was pretty OK, blue and that blew the world up. And it was like it's just blue. And I mean, the the the Atlas looks black more often than not.
Everett	Yeah. No, I, I, I, that I think Andrew might be, I think Andrew might be right on though.
Andrew	The Q Timex blue is always blue though. It's always blue. So, uh, I, I, the way he, he has that blue lid on there, it looks, it looks really good, but I, I think that'll probably, I think green, black, blue, red or red, blue. I think, I think the red will do well. The crimson will do well.
Everett	So the scout available February 1st, if you don't know what the hell we're talking about, get on, at goodspeedwatches on Instagram and check it out because really neat watch. Our friend Clay has done some photography. I know there's a ton of great reviews that are out on this guy right now. Check him out. Andrew. Other things. What do you got?
Andrew	I came prepared with another. Oh, it's not. I just have the Goodspeed website up on my phone.
Everett	So you're not actually prepared.
Andrew	I'm mostly prepared. Prepared-ish. Yeah. adjacent. I tried some new soaps. Okay. So, and I didn't even do it on purpose. Sam got me two Dr. Squatch soap squares.
Everett	Oh yeah.
Andrew	I didn't really know how to take it, right? Because I just, I use like a squirt bottle of soap. No, she's like. That I've been using like. You need to work on this. Well, I mean, so the last time I needed soap, because I've used the Old Spice Pure Endurance or whatever, the green one for 20 years.
Everett	Yeah, since college.
Andrew	Before that. And I was like, hey, could you get me more soap at Target? She goes, yeah, but I'm going to pick it. I was like, OK. That's a weird thing to say. And she came back with some Old Spice varietal. I don't remember what it's called, but it's Fiji or something. No, no, no. It wasn't one of those. It was like their next tier up. Oh, it was like no longer young adult soap. Right. It was like college adult soap. Like I'm trying to be classy. And I was like, yeah, this works like it's soap. It cleans me and I smell OK afterward. And I came home from work the other day and like sitting on my shelf in the bathroom was two cubes of soap or bricks of soap. And I was like, Huh. Why did you get these? She's like, I don't know. I saw them. I thought you might like them. It's like, okay, so you're saying you don't like the soap. Okay. Uh, so I cracked open a pine tar was the, it's a black one, which it's a little bit weird to, um, to use a black bar of soap. Yeah. I like pine tar soap though. Uh, but it's great. They have exfoliants in it. Some of the exfoliants are very sharp. Like I have a scrape from, from, like a chunk that was in there.
Everett	This is like pieces of oatmeal and stuff.
Andrew	Yeah, it was sharp and it's gonna probably do some more damage, but it feels and smells so good. It lathers really nice. Glow and grieve you. I'm gonna shave with it tomorrow because I think it's going to be a really good shaving soap because the lather is super thick. It smells good. The smell doesn't hang on you, but it's fresh. It's good. My skin feels good afterward and there Not expensive. They're like seven bucks. Maybe that is expensive for a bar of soap. I don't buy soap.
Everett	Yeah, that's expensive for a bar of soap. I mean, it's maybe not unfairly expensive, but yeah. Is it? Well, I mean, I don't know how long it lasts. This is definitely like next level soap prices, right? Irish Spring is like 75 cents a bar.
Andrew	Yeah, but Irish Spring turns your skin to like baked Canadian bacon, right?
Everett	Well, perhaps, but I'm saying you're not buying a cheap bar of soap.
Andrew	No, but your skin doesn't feel good after Irish Spring. You don't even smell that good after Irish Spring. That's the bar of soap you buy after you've been in the field for 34 days and you go to the shopette to get foot powder and soap because you must shower under a gallon, like under a five gallon bucket of water being poured.
Everett	Can we just clarify that I'm not advocating for every spring? You made a discreet point and I think that point deserves a re-examination.
Andrew	So evidently $7 for a bar of soap. And as I'm saying it there, it does sound a little bit more expensive, but I don't know how long a bar of soap is going to last. You smell good. If you're looking for a new soap, uh, and if you're looking to maybe, maybe upgrade your soap game, I didn't realize my soap game needed upgraded. And then I upgraded it, you know, well, it was upgraded for me and I'm down with it.
Everett	Yeah, you're obviously happy with this, with the way it smells and the way it works. Yeah.
Andrew	So I've got, I have the citrus one. I'm trying to find the flavor. Uh, there's a grapefruit IPA. Why didn't she get that one? Um, there's all kinds of flavors. Cedar citrus and a pine tar are the two flavors that I have.
Everett	Uh, those are both like very manly.
Andrew	That's me. Right. I'm very manly, but there's also Spearmint Basil Scrub.
Everett	They should get like, this is the Valvoline scented.
Andrew	My favorite way to smell is like gun oil and gunpowder and like CLP and Schlitz. Yeah. I'm just like, that's when I feel at my peak. So it's called Dr. Squatch and there's dozens and dozens of brands out here doing the same soap method right now. It's like the new thing. I'm on board with it. Feel free to check them out with my recommendation that, and caution, some of the exfoliants are very sharp. You will be hamburger. I also have baby skin. But you'll smell fantastic. Like when I just scratch myself when I have an itch and I look at the source, I look like wolverines have attacked me. So I could just be my sensitive baby skin.
Everett	So what you got? I got a new thing. I got a new thing. I got a bathroom scale. I got a bathroom scale. I have been not happy with our bathroom scale for, I don't know, two years. It works fine. It measures, but it's just not a satisfying experience. And it's got some problems. It's got some, it was a Costco special. I don't know.
Andrew	Is stepping on a scale ever a satisfying experience for anyone?
Everett	Well, beyond the psychological effects of stepping on a scale, it just wasn't. you know, physically and technically not a great machine. And so I started looking at scales and I ran into this company called Wyze, W-Y-Z-E. And it was a company I knew because having bought a new house, I've been looking at security cameras. You bought Blink cameras. And I think many people go Ring cameras. Well, there's a company called Wyze that is also making cameras and they do very similar things to Blink and Ring for a lot less money. And they get pretty good reviews. So the physical specs of the machines are not quite as good, but I think you're getting like 85% of the utility.
Andrew	For like 50% of the cost.
Everett	Yeah, for like 30 bucks a camera. You know, bought a piece at a time. And so I was familiar with the company, I was familiar with the good reviews, I looked up a couple reviews of this wide scale and they seem to be great. We got this thing in and first thing you take it out of the box you're like holy shit this looks like a hundred dollar piece of equipment. The bottom is plastic but it's a good plastic. The top is glass with like, it's not a solar panel but it looks like a solar panel. It's just very well built. Looks attractive. syncs with both Apple Health app and with Wyze. Wyze has their own app and it syncs with their app as well. And it keeps track of your weight over time. It gives you some measurements that I find to be a little sketchy, right? It's telling me what my water disposition is and my body fat. And I don't think it can know those things. And maybe I'm wrong.
Andrew	It's got metal pads, so it's going to be doing some manner of like
Everett	uh right it's got metal pads on it it's going to do some kind of bmi analysis it does not have metal pads and that's another nice thing about this you don't have to step in a specific place you can step anywhere but i do think it has a conductive quality to it uh with that said i'm still skeptical of its ability to be able to measure my body fat percentage um it will tell you your heart rate uh through through the app I'm probably more confident in that metric than I am the body fat and the water percentage, but yeah. Anyway, $25, man. What?
Andrew	$25. Just the features you described made me think, I was like, this is a $100 machine.
Everett	It looks like a $100 machine, it feels like a $100 machine, $25. And all these scales that are coming out now, all the modern sort of best scales are going to be pretty accurate. Uh, so I'm not worried about accuracy. It's just, it's just a great machine for 25 bucks. I, you know, it's sort of an afterthought who cares about buying a scale, but I think for many, many people, it's something they want to have. Uh, for me, it's something, you know, I weigh myself not every day, but just about every day. Um, And I wanted a machine that I was going to like, and this seemed like a great fit. And for $25, it's like, take a flyer on it. And if I hate it, I'm not... You're not out anything. I'm not pot committed, yeah. And turns out, I mean, obviously, short-term review at this point, but pretty fucking great. Pretty great. $25 for this thing. I'm kind of blown away.
Andrew	I'm wondering how long it'll last.
Everett	That's going to be the... It's only been out for about a year, I think. So I don't think that there are any long-term reviews out, you know, more than that, obviously. So, yeah, time will tell. Time will tell. Even if it's something you have to replace every couple of years... It's $25. For $25 to get, you know, upgraded hardware or whatever, I think that would be worth it. Yeah, really happy so far. Wise scale. Winner. Jeremy. Hey. Other things, what do you got?
Jeremy Berlin	My thing. Um, so I've been big, you know, um, cooking with, uh, cooking and like fire and wood, wood fires, that sort of thing. Yeah.
Everett	Cooking and fire is kind of big in my life too. Yeah. Yeah. I don't, I not necessarily together separately, just cooking and also fire. I like joining.
Jeremy Berlin	Have you guys heard of a discada before?
Everett	No. Tell me more.
Jeremy Berlin	Yeah. So if you go to southwest disc.com, Um, so they have these, they're, it's like the, it's like a New Mexico type of thing where they use the plowing disc to actually cook food in. And so I bought the, so you go to cooking discs. I bought that. And so the one I got is the, if you see the products, the Moab, um, so it's a disc made out of like an old plow disc. But they actually, I had them add legs to it. So you can cook over like open wood fire. You can take camping if you wanted to. Um, I just set up a little spot in my backyard and started a wood fire and you just, you're cooking in this like original plowing disc, um, you know, making chili or, you know, fajitas in it. Um, that sort of thing. It's pretty fun. It's kind of a social thing. Even he'll say, Which one did you get? But I had them add legs to it for like an extra $10. I don't know what happened. I'm looking for it. It has the rim. It's on page one. It's at the bottom right.
Andrew	Oh, the bottom one. OK.
Jeremy Berlin	Yeah. It has like a rim around the side so you don't lose anything. But yeah, it's fun.
Everett	You know, this reminds me of these sort of rural Southeast Asian open fire walks is what it reminds me of.
Andrew	Yeah, that's exactly what I saw. I was like, oh yeah, of course, another culture is going to have this.
Everett	And so I assume, is this carbon steel that yours is?
Jeremy Berlin	Yeah, yeah. So you have to, it's kind of like, you know, taking care of a cast iron skillet. It'll develop a seasoning over time. But, you know, just keep a layer of oil on it and it won't rust and that sort of thing.
Andrew	That's awesome. I love outdoor cooking. I think I cooked more outdoors when I was living in Texas than I did indoors. Now it rains all the time, so you have to cook indoors.
Jeremy Berlin	Right.
Everett	Bumsville. Yeah, that's cool, man. I dig that. I like the fact that these are repurposed plow discs, too. That's kind of, that's like an added benefit. Yeah. Right. That's cool.
Andrew	Reduce, reuse, recycle. Captain Planet, he's our hero.
Everett	Gonna take Pollution down to zero?
Andrew	Is it pollution down to zero?
Everett	Yeah, pollution down to zero. This is bringing me back to Tuesday morning, getting ready for school. Yeah. All right. Fantastic. Well, Jeremy, thanks for joining us. Hey, I'm happy to be here, guys. Thanks for having me. Before we go, anything you want to shout out or talk about?
Jeremy Berlin	You know, I don't think so. I think we covered it. Yeah, check out Goodspeedwatches. Goodspeedwatches.com. The Scout is our newest project and it's launching on February 1st, early in the morning on that Monday. So it'll be only up there for a week. So that's your time to get a discount on this watch over retail and under retail. And I appreciate the time today, guys.
Everett	And real quick, what's your Instagram handle, Jeremy? It's Goodspeedwatches. Goodspeedwatches. That's what I thought. I said that earlier and then I'd second guessed myself.
Jeremy Berlin	Yeah.
Everett	So at Goodspeedwatches, tons of good, tons of good photos on there. And I think if you just search for Goodspeedwatches, you're going to find a ton of great pictures.
Andrew	And check them out on Monday on Instagram.
Everett	Monday, February 1st on Kickstarter.
Jeremy Berlin	Yeah. Yeah. And actually one more thing. You know, we've got, I think maybe nine reviews up on YouTube now. So you can check it out in the medal. There's every colors up there. Green, green, blue and black. And, you know, I didn't pay for those reviews. So they're not, you know, there aren't shills that are doing my bidding for me. But, you know, you can check out you can see the watch kind of in, you know, favorable and unfavorable lighting and what have you to kind of see what it really looks like from all angles and that sort of thing. So I recommend people checking that out if they're curious as well.
Everett	Fantastic.
Andrew	Andrew, anything you want to add before we go? I have one last thing. I recently read our iTunes reviews.
Everett	They're poor. Yeah, they're poor. You know, there's just not very many of them. There's nine, and so... They're not good. You know, we've got some good ones. Well, yeah.
Andrew	Yeah, there are some.
Everett	We've got some good ones. We've got, I think, about three of them, which is not very many bad reviews, but it's... When there's nine, it's a pretty high percentage.
Andrew	So... We're going to ask something of you guys. I'm going to ask, Everett might not be asking. If you guys like the show, listen regularly, whatever podcast platform you're using to listen to them, drop on in, give us a rating and leave a review and then just leave a review. Cause frankly, I don't, I don't read the, I mean, we've been doing this for two years and I just read the reviews. Give us episode ideas. in the reviews, or your favorite episodes, your least favorite episodes, because reviews are meant to be just that. Like, point people to the episodes that meant something to you. Point out to us what we've been doing right and what we've been doing wrong. Mostly where we could get better. Don't just say that I hate the sound of Andrew's voice, because that's not... I can't change it, right?
Everett	If you're listening, we're stuck with it. Yeah. I mean, we can even make a promise to you guys. If you guys leave us a review and Andrew says any platform, I'm going to clarify. We're really for, for some important reasons that a technical person could be able to tell you better than I can. iTunes reviews are the ones that matter. Um, if you go to iTunes and you leave a review and you make a show suggestion and it's not total trash, we'll work with it. And we will at some point make that show.
Andrew	Yeah, it's gonna make my life way easier. I don't have to do any kind of development or planning.
Everett	And if I can tell who you are from the post, we'll talk to you about it too.
Andrew	Yeah. Yeah, shoot us a DM. Let us know who, how you reviewed it and we'll, we'll plan it out. Andrew, anything else? No, that's it. Review our stuff.
Everett	All right. Obviously check out, check out Jeremy, goodspeedwatches.com on Instagram at goodspeed and look for that Kickstarter. It's going to be going live Monday, February 1st. And thanks for joining us for this episode of 40 in 20. Okay.
Jeremy Berlin	Thank you.
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