Episode 117 - Four Rolex for the Price of a Rolex

Published on Thu, 21 Jan 2021 05:00:00 -0800

Synopsis

The hosts Andrew and Everett discuss their love for watches and share their selections for affordable watch collections that would cost around the price of an entry-level Rolex. They debate the value and appeal of high-end watches versus more affordable options, and emphasize that individuals should choose watches based on their own personal preferences rather than prestige or brand names. The conversation covers a range of watch brands, models, and price points while exploring the principles of diminishing returns and what makes certain watches appealing beyond just their specifications.

Transcript

Speaker
Andrew Hello fellow watch lovers, nerds, enthusiasts, or however you identify. This is 40 in 20, the watch clicker podcast with your hosts, Andrew and my good unbearded friend Everett here. We talk about watches, food, drinks, life, and other things we like. Everett, how are you? Unbearded. Yeah, I know.
Everett Unbearded. Yeah, I just had a, I was just sort of, actually, you know what it was?
Andrew Uh, did you get some cheese from a cheeseburger stuck in it and realize it was kind of yucky?
Everett I saw a picture of Ted Cruz today. Oh, Did you try to match it? No, I did the opposite. I saw a picture of Ted Cruz and I was like, you know, I've got the gray sort of around the chin. And I saw a picture of Ted Cruz and I was like, if my beard looks anything like that, it's got to come off. And I made that decision right there.
Andrew There's a lot of other people with beards out there. George Clooney.
Everett Yeah.
Andrew I don't know why that's the only other bearded person I can think of. Yeah. Pull up a picture of it.
Everett Is that your phone? This is my phone. Yeah. Pull up a picture of a recent Ted Cruz. He's got like a bit of a scraggly beard. Mine wasn't super scraggly, but it was just enough like it that I was like, yep, nope, can't do it. So it's gone. Undoubtedly, it will be back because... Oh, you know, I didn't realize that... Sort of a hair farmer. You didn't realize what?
Andrew You know, I didn't realize it was just It didn't fill in on his chin. I thought that was deliberately shaved, like he was looking General Burnside Z. No, I obviously don't spend a lot of time looking at Ted.
Everett So right. I obviously had a much like more complete full beard than Ted Cruz, but there was enough.
Andrew You also didn't look like a South Texas oil baron with like the gray chops in your chin.
Everett You know, I just decided.
Unknown Whatever.
Everett Time to restart. I saw that and I was like.
Andrew Sometimes you just gotta reset.
Everett Ted Cruz made me mad today. I'm taking it off.
Andrew Sometimes you just gotta reset. Yeah, that's right. You look very handsome and naked. Oh, hey, thanks.
Everett Also, your face looks cold. I'm wearing clothes. I just want to be on record. Not for long.
Andrew Not for long. Andrew, how are you? I'm good. I'm tired. I'm worn out. I had a very busy weekend. We're frantically getting our house ready to put on the market, which means every waking hour not spent wrangling children is spent on some manner of house project that we should have done years ago. Cause then we would have enjoyed living in our house more, but we didn't. And now we're doing it so that we don't enjoy any of the benefits of our hard work.
Everett We've talked about my hallway, right? At the house in Springfield. Oh yeah. Hallway. Spent the entire time we lived there, meaning to do it. Yep. Did it the day, did it the week we moved out, the week we sold the house. And it was gorgeous. I was like, this, it was like three hours of work.
Andrew That's so much of what we're doing. Like we had this old, And it wasn't shitty, but we had a 1950s fireplace with a 1980s gas insert in it that was black with gold trim on it because that was the thing. And I was like, you know what? If I rattle can that gold outline and then whitewash the brick, that's going to look really good. And turns out it looks really good. So we've been living in this house for three years, hating that wall. And now I'm like, Oh, this room is so bright.
Everett fresh and clean. In fairness to you, you've been working on that house constantly. So it's not like you've just been sitting on your butt.
Andrew No, I've been, I've been allocating efforts elsewhere. Now all the, the, the efforts are to, uh, appeal as opposed to livability. Yeah. Cause we've, cause I've taken those, I've done those things. So over the next couple of days, I'm going to redo the floor in our main bathroom and we're going to paint everything.
Everett You know what I love about moving? So just for you at home, I did, I did buy a house. You did. That's exciting. Yeah. Uh, starting to think about moving. We don't have to do anything to move. I mean, we have to pack, put our stuff in boxes, but we don't have to do anything. Yeah. That's really exciting. It's a nice part about being in a rental. And the house we're moving into doesn't need anything. It needs nothing. We did our buyer's repair addendum today. We signed our repair addendum. Uh, and, It's all just tiki tech stuff. If they said, we're not doing any of that, it would be totally fine.
Andrew Could you fill the holes in the walls from your pictures? Cause we don't like the way that they were arranged. There's not even holes in the wall from pictures. Did they use like command strips?
Everett Maybe. There's nothing. I think, I think that he went through and, and filled all the holes and painted them. What a gentleman. Uh, there's a couple like outside, there's a few like places that need to be caulked, you know, like caulk that's separated around windows. There's some moss on the roof. The nerve. I know. It was like, oh, Lee, this is fantastic. You know, it was just built five years ago.
Andrew So, yeah, it's a nice house. It was interesting. We were going to look at that house, but it has a small backyard and a spiral staircase. And my wife said no to toddlers and spiral staircase. And I was like, well, you're lost. And then you said, oh, by the way, we put an offer in on the house. I was like, oh, terrific. We get to enjoy it without having had to buy it.
Everett Yeah, that's right. You'll enjoy it. You'll enjoy it every Sunday.
Andrew Or Tuesday. It just depends on how we're doing that week.
Everett Yeah. Right. You know, amazingly consistent, I would say. Yeah. Amazingly consistent. You know, there was a few times in that first year where I had like uploading things or whatever, but every Thursday, we've never missed a Thursday.
Andrew Sometimes we've released on Wednesday.
Everett Sometimes we release on Wednesday when Andrew does the publishing. And I didn't publish on Christmas. I waited till the day after Christmas to publish just because I thought.
Andrew And that includes an international trip. Yeah, that's right. Still published internationally.
Everett Internationally. Yeah. Did we publish from Mexico or did we just record from Mexico?
Andrew We recorded from Mexico and I feel like we are still in Mexico.
Everett Yeah, I think we recorded and published. We were there for seven days, I think.
Andrew I don't I think the episode we recorded in Mexico, we were home when it published. Yeah, that's a possibility. Doesn't matter. It doesn't matter. We still, we are, we're on quite a streak. We're awesome. 103 episodes in.
Everett That's what, probably more than that. It is more than that. So Andrew does the show notes and, and almost always now, right? Yeah. Yeah. Almost always. I mean, there was a period of time where it was like Andrew does the show notes, haha, but now you always do the show notes basically. It's part of my routine now. But there was like, uh, I don't know what a two month period of time.
Andrew It was, yeah, it was weeks and weeks. And then finally you mentioned it like, you know, you're off. Right. And I was like, I don't know. I just add one to the previous week's show note. And I've been like, I must've just mistyped it.
Everett Well, they don't know what we're talking about, but there, you know, he was about six weeks behind on the show notes. So it's a, on this 105th episode of 40 and 20, but it would actually be the 112th episode. Yeah. I thought you were doing it just to screw with me.
Andrew No, not at all. I just, I must've transposed it weird and just believed in myself.
Everett Go with God, Boo-Boo. Yeah, you know. All right. It's a mistake.
Andrew And I continued to make it wholly unaware.
Everett So we've got a new watch in for review, which I'm kind of excited about.
Andrew We do. We have a Manta Atlas sitting in front of us. Well, we've got. Oh, that's my watch.
Everett We've got a Manta Atlas.
Andrew We also have a one of a kind.
Everett Which is not in for review. Yeah, let's talk about that. John Mayer, the John Mayer and I were hanging out.
Andrew And everyone said, I can do it better.
Everett And then he did it better. I made a G-Shock 6900 looking at the John Mayer G-Shock that came out just a few weeks ago. You know, A, let me just say for the record, I actually think that watch is pretty cool. I think the John Mayer G-Shock is pretty cool.
Andrew They nailed the price. We were talking about the day before the release and we thought
Everett It was going to be absurd. Can we say we? I said, I think it's going to be $200.
Andrew I thought it was going to be significantly more, um, just because of the collaboration with John Mayer and they, they landed it.
Everett Yeah. I mean, it's more than you'd pay for a stock 6,900, but it's not a stock 6,900. Not at all. And it's not a money grab. It's actually just a commercial endeavor.
Unknown Yeah.
Everett Because Hodinkee is a commercial entity. Yeah. Uh, yeah. I, and I think it's a great watch too. I love the gray. It's not like you can find a G-Shock with that gray. I love the paint colors. Uh, I think it's great, but I saw it and I thought, well, I don't want that one. I want one in watch clicker colors.
Unknown Yeah.
Everett And so I found a blue, it's not quite watch clicker blue, but it's close enough. It's as close as you're going to get. I found a blue 6900 case. I went to Walmart and bought a 6900. I got some orange and some gray testers paint. I watched some YouTube videos and I made myself a watch clicker 6900. And I love it.
Andrew It looks good. It looks good. I don't see your, your white G shock very often anymore.
Everett Yeah. I mean, I still wear the white one, but yeah, now I'm wearing the blue one. I will say 5600 is a much daintier watch than a 6900. Yeah. It really surprised me when I saw how big this thing is.
Andrew And to call a 5600 dainty is something.
Everett Right. It's a pretty big leap from that 5600 to the 6900. Yeah. A lot of wrist presence.
Unknown Yeah.
Everett But I dig it.
Andrew It's fun. That's kind of the G-Shock thing though. That's right. That's I think what's most appealing about the 5600 to me is that it has enough wrist presence to be there, but it's not also a tool. that you can hammer with. Yeah. Yeah, that's right. Yeah. That's right. So we should mention what we do have in for review.
Everett Yeah. So we actually did get a watch in for review, and I'm pretty chuffed, as Rick from Scottish watches might say. I don't know what that word means. I think it means happy.
Andrew We got Jeremy- Within the context, it left some questions.
Everett Jeremy, over at Goodspeed, sent us a copy of the Green Scout.
Andrew Well, he sent us a Green Scout, not a copy. That's right. Yeah.
Everett Yeah. Yeah. He sent us the Green Scout. And my initial thoughts are this is a really neat watch.
Andrew Yeah. I'm pleased with it top to bottom.
Everett You know, I think when you look at a watch like this, it's really easy to look at and think, well, this or that, you know, it's got It's got a great bracelet, but you know, it could be if it was this or that, it could be better, or it's got a really interesting dial, but it's pad print and not applied. Well, at the end of the day for a $300 watch, you know, we just don't see a lot of $300 watches, right? Yeah. Everything's 500 bucks. Yep. Everything's 500. Uh, and Jeremy's managed to do the scout for a really, truly entry-level price. And it's phenomenal. The size is great. It's a Miota 9039, so it's great movement. 200 meters of water resistance. Yeah. The polish, the fit finish, the brushing, dude. Check out the case side, the brushing on the case side.
Andrew The brushing's money. That was one of the things that really stood out to me is the brushing and the polish transitions are really clean. I don't know that you really do better at $300. And that he was able to get this down to $300 is actually a pretty impressive endeavor.
Everett Yeah, I think so. I think that's exactly right. With a signed crown and case back. And a signed clasp. I love the engraving on the clasp. Nothing looks cheap. Everything is really well executed. I'm super into it.
Andrew I'm digging on five micro adjustments on the bracelet, too.
Everett Yeah. Ton of micro adjustments. Uh, it's a pin and collar bracelet, so you know, it's not going to be a bracelet that you're going to love to adjust, but that's 10 to 20 minutes of your life and it's done forever.
Andrew I think this is a... You hope it's done forever. I've finally, after having had the Manta for a couple of weeks now, finally have it dialed in.
Unknown Yeah.
Everett Can I mess with the quick adjust? Better don't.
Andrew You better don't. Uh, But yeah, I mean, you'll see the full review from us and from Will. I think we're going to do an audio review of this.
Everett Mike has mentioned that.
Andrew Yeah, I don't know. It's TBD. Regardless, you're going to see some reviews coming from us. And just from our first impressions, this is a winner.
Everett Yeah, I think so. I think so. I think it does something really well. in that it looks cool as shit. Mm-hmm. And it maintains an affordable price point.
Andrew The size is right on it, but it also has a notable wrist presence. He did a really good job capturing light and making that dial very, very prominent.
Everett Good case back. Yeah. So more to come on the Goodspeed Scout. I'm not sure we're going to do a full review. Jeremy's going to come on the show, I believe, next weekend? Next week? Soon. Soon, we're still, we've got like four episodes that we're supposed to cram into about three weeks, so we'll see what happens there, but I believe next week.
Andrew Okay, I think we should dive into the topic. Because we're talking about watches. Yeah, we're talking about not Rolex. We're talking about not Rolex. Yep, this is not a Rolex episode. We're not, yeah. And so let us explain the premise of this episode. What we wanted to do, and it's something that we've talked about before, and it's something that kind of keeps surfacing in our brainstorming for ideas on value of watches. And one of the things that you see and that we see in the watch world is this idea that more money is more better, and that Rolex is kind of the pinnacle of the watch world. And obviously, you can go far, far beyond Rolex. But that's sort of the... In terms of production watches. Yeah, in terms of production watches. And there's this Instagram account that I follow, and his opinion is that your first watch should be a Tudor Black Bay 58. That's as low as any person should possibly ever stoop to... Entry level. Yeah, that's your entry-level watch. And if you can't afford it, then don't buy a fucking watch because anything less than that's not a watch at all.
Everett And that's patently false. It's the same as with, like, if you can't afford a Leica, use your cell phone.
Andrew Yeah, right. So what we wanted to do is we wanted to create a collection of excellent watches that you could get for the cost of an entry-level Rolex.
Everett Really looking at these two watches, the two lists, really excellent watches.
Andrew Yeah. Like, why would you bother? So what we did is we arbitrarily assigned 5850. $5,850. As what it would cost to get into an entry-level Rolex, which is about what an OP costs.
Everett If you can find an entry-level Rolex. Godspeed to you.
Andrew Not good speed. Yeah. Godspeed. Good luck. Happy hunting. And we said, take that budget and build out a OP, an Explorer, a Sub, and a Daytona. Replace them.
Everett Rough analogs.
Andrew Yeah. Analogs, of course. And that's the money you have. So you've got $6,000. Build out the Rolex Big Four. And frankly, I think I'd rather have this lineup that I've created or even the lineup that you've created before I have a single OP. So this is... Well, we'll talk more about that later. We'll get there.
Everett We'll talk more about that later. Because I think it's an interesting question, right? What would you rather have? I know what I'd rather have.
Andrew Fair enough. So I'm gonna dive into my list first. First up on my list, and this is... The OP and the Explorer are kind of... They're flagships. Mm-hmm. They're similar, but they feel kind of different places. And to find an analog was a little bit challenging for me. So what I used to replace the OP in my collection was the Triumph, the Manta Triumph. And I think it fills that same void. It does things better than the OP does, but it's just, it's a little bit different, but that's what I use to fill that gap. And the Manta Triumph is going to come in at $1,700. And for the record,
Everett roughly a quarter of the price of an OP if you could find an OP.
Andrew Yeah. And that's about what Rolex MSRP was coming into the game before inflation. That's where Rolex should be priced at in the $1,700 to $2,500 price range. Right.
Everett If you adjust from like the 60s.
Andrew Yeah. Yeah. And there's brand equity there. There's a lot of things happening there. But in the way of objective manufacturing, pricing, and production, it's about there. And $1,700 is a buck a load of money, but you got them onto Triumph. It's got water resistance, 150 meters. They come with a standard, a, a, across the family. They don't come with it, but they're optional. Curved rubber, curved leather straps. They look great and they feel that go anywhere, do anything, can be dressed up, can be worn sporty, can fit a whole variety of environments.
Everett The definition of a 300 steel sport watch.
Andrew Yep. Next up, I've got the Zen 103 chronograph filling the Daytona void. And it's not a direct, inexact, but it's close. You're still getting that sporty chronograph feel. Dive bezel. Dive bezel, but this is the most expensive watch on my list at $2280. I don't know. I can't remember writing. It's either 20 to 50 or 20 to 80. It doesn't matter. I came in under budget, just, I mean, not by a ton, but I came in under budget and it's readily available. You're going to run into some customs probably here. What I found, I found mine off a US based sales site. So I don't know if you're going to run a customs and weird shipping costs, or maybe it's built into the price, but it's there and it's readily available because that was the other thing. Yeah. We had to replace our list with things that are readily available that you can buy today.
Everett Yeah. You know, I found Zins are hard to find. They can be. The availability of Zen is not like Seiko, right?
Andrew No, not by a long shot. Yeah. Or even other Swiss brands.
Everett That's right. I think they're making watches in slightly smaller quantities. Even the new watches, the U50, hard to find.
Andrew Which speaks, I think, to the watch itself. I hope to not fall in love with any of them. I like them. I just hope I don't fall in love.
Everett Yeah. And I think that's a great watch, right? Zinn's got a ton of brand cachet. It's just a solid, no crap, dive bezel chronograph. I say dive bezel, but... I take the point. External bezel, yeah.
Andrew Next up, this is my sub replacement, Christopher Ward C60 Trident Pro 600.
Everett Fantastic.
Andrew And looking at those two things side by side, I tend to like Christopher Ward's designs more than sub designs. Yeah, sure. And if you offer me the two side by side, and if they're both at $9.65, I'm going to tend towards Christopher Ward, even with a Rolex logo. Just in terms of the design. Yeah, in terms of design.
Everett Yeah, you know, that light catcher case. So money. I think it's the best modern case and watches. I mean, it's truly a modern case. Truly a modern case. The C65s I think are a little thinner than the C60s. It's a little bit chunk. But even the C60s look incredibly thin because that watch comes, the case sides have that nice thin taper. At one point, I wrote an article for the website I think on rethinking case sizes and I talked about the Tudor Black Bay the OG Black Bay. And how it's roughly the same thickness as a C60. You know, the C60 looks a lot more slender than the Black Bay because the Black Bay has those big flat sides. Christopher Ward has done some sorcery, some optical illusion implementation that is really fantastic. And those watches are designed fantastically.
Andrew Yeah. And they all look good. That entire, I don't think I've seen one of his watches that I don't like. Yeah. Great fonts. Terrific design. Terrific details. Good movements. And the specs are there. He doesn't have a single watch that you go, Oh, weird that he didn't do that. Old Chris. Yeah. And then last up, the Seiko SBDC087 Alpinist. And that's going to fill my Explorer slot. That's the new black dialed Alpinist, right?
Everett The new black dial, European only. Yeah, that's the best of the new ones, I think. Yeah. It's it's fantastic. In fact, that watch was on my list for a little while today.
Andrew Yeah. And this was this was a culmination of a lot of iterations for to fill this list.
Everett And that's your Explorer, obviously.
Andrew Yeah, that's my Explorer. And another true go anywhere, do anything. The Alpinist is a super classic design. I don't know what else there is to say about it that hasn't already been said. Um, yeah, just to fill out this list.
Everett That's right. I think it's just a great, it's a great pick. It's an affordable watch. Uh, but almost, almost like nothing else.
Andrew I don't know that it's an affordable watch. It's $850.
Everett Well, I say affordable in the scheme of spending $6,000 on a single.
Andrew Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So, so that brings my list and, and let's recap it real quick.
Everett Yeah, please. Cause we should talk about it as a collection. A Manta Triumph, a Zen 103,
Andrew a Christopher Ward C60 Pro 600, and a Seiko Alpinist. I think they're limited, so we'll call it just a Seiko Alpinist limited edition.
Unknown It doesn't matter. They're 850 bucks. Triumph 103, C60, and an Alpinist for $5,788.97.
Andrew That's a bucket load of cash. But that's a fucking baller collection. There's no, you need nothing else. That, that's a go everywhere collection of watches with some really expensive stuff. I really, I, do you have $6,000?
Everett No, I think you did really well. I think that you've got a great mix of big brand. Um, you know, you've got, uh, a micro brand piece there. You've got the Japanese watch. And for a Japanese, I mean, it's one of my favorite Seikos. The alpinist, the whole alpinist line, I think is probably in my mind, the coolest thing Seiko's doing. I know, you know, everybody loves Seiko divers, Seiko diver, Seiko diver. I think the alpinist is the coolest thing Seiko's doing.
Andrew I agree. And I think you can do better than Seiko divers. I think you can do cooler than Seiko divers. A lot of them are just kind of ho-hum. I want them to, I want some, some innovation out of Seiko divers. Sure. Rather than just, just slapping on a new label or changing the case or the color way. I want some more innovation. I want to see something new out of Seiko Divers.
Everett You know, I can't remember who it was. I was listening to a podcast this week and Eric Wind was on it. And I think it was Eric Wind. Shoot. He was talking about getting a monster, a Gen 2 monster for 200 bucks. What? Well, back when they came out.
Unknown Oh, I was like, what?
Everett Right, so a Gen 2 Monster 6R for $200 and you know, that's a freaking cool watch. Yeah. If you can get a 6R Monster for $200, the problem with Seiko Divers is the secret's out and they've done sort of a similar thing that Rolex has done, obviously on a different scale, but yeah, this is really cool and now it's going to cost what it's worth. Yeah. Yeah. Well. And that makes it less desirable, right? We can make it what it's worth. That's right. Paying, getting a bargain is fun. Seiko's not poorly priced now. They're just no longer a bargain, right? 800 bucks is not too much for an alpinist. That's the right price for that watch. It might even be on the low end. It's just not the bargain that it was at 250, 300.
Andrew It's not the bargain you expect out of a Japanese brand. Yeah. Or out of Seiko in particular, right?
Unknown Yeah.
Everett But... I think you've done a great job with this collection.
Andrew what I would replace an OP with, just one Rolex with.
Everett One OP, you get those watches. I think it's great. I think you did a good job. What have you got? So I have sort of a really general approach to my list here. I wanted to have some versatility, but also I know I don't need that much versatility. I know everything can be sporty. I know everything should be, you know, modestly sized.
Unknown Mm-hmm.
Everett I know that everything can have a black dial. Yeah. I'm good with that. You know, every time I decide I don't need a black dial, I think, gosh, I would love this watch if it was just a black dialed watch. So everything can have a black dial. I wanted to have some brand cachet. I knew that. I'm replacing a Rolex here. Right. So I want to have some brand cachet. You need some chops. I want a watch that I'm going to put on and I'm going to feel like this is a cool watch because it's because it's cool and anybody who looked at it would be able to realize it's cool. That's shallow, perhaps, but I think we all do that. And I think if you if you're in denial about the fact that you do that, well, anyway, you took the other Raspberry Cosmo. Did I? So, oh, I did. I decided that I didn't necessarily, uh, I decided I didn't necessarily need a anchor piece, but I, I also knew I could get away with one piece, my OP replacement that would be significantly less money. Okay. And so I got that one out of the way quick and I picked this watch. This is the first one I picked and it was basically set in stone from the second I picked it because I've worn this watch. I own this watch and I know that it's almost perfect. It's really damn close. And that's the Orion Hellcat. So this is the cheapest watch on my list. 650 bucks. Which is a steal for this watch. It's a steal. Nick is a very, very talented watch designer.
Unknown Yeah.
Everett And this is every bit the affordable, amazing watch that I think he wanted it to be. So on a bracelet, Orion Hellcat. I've got a black dial with a brushed case. And so In my mind, that's the watch that goes here. And I know that if you ask Nick, if you can get a black dial on a brushed case, I know that he will, at least if he can, do it. And that's, you know, parts limiting or whatever. I'm not sure what his deal is.
Andrew It's a special insider deal. Everett owes him something next time we get out there.
Everett I know he's not doing that just for me. So I think my collection as a whole doesn't work as well with a blasted case. Correct. So this is a brushed case. polished bezel, bright, glinty chamfers. This is my OP replacement. Great movement, Miota 9015. Love it. It's 39, so it's a little bit big for an OP replacement. I mean, at least a traditional OP replacement, but about the same size as a modern OP. Yeah. So next, I wanted an Explorer-style field watch, and I went with, for me, the epitome of a tough, hard-wearing, no-frills field watch. Although, it's really a pilot watch. But in my mind, it's a field watch. And that's the Sin 556A, A indicating Arabic numerals. So this is a watch that's got my brand caché. Yeah. Sin's a great brand.
Andrew Speaks to it that it landed on both of our lists.
Everett Yes, that's right. Because, right, they're in that $1,000 to $2,000 price range, three or so when you start talking about chronographs. Great movements, great materials. Now, Zinn's known for its really sort of next-level tech implementations, in particular their Tejamenting. This doesn't have any of that, and I don't think the 104 does either. No, no, it doesn't. These are just standard steel, but they just look and wear great. I know a lot of folks like the Damasco DS6? DA6? DA6, I think. It's a little bit bigger watch. It's 40 versus about 38, and I think it shows. They both wear really well. I prefer the Zen. I know a lot of folks prefer the Damasco, which is hardened. I think the Damasco, in a lot of ways, is a better watch. I think the Zen's a cooler watch. That's it. I think it's cooler.
Andrew Zen 5.6.
Everett Yeah, and we've had that conversation a bunch of times. I was talking to Aggressive Timing Habits about this, my list earlier. It's like you can't have a Hellcat and a Damasco or a Zen 556 on your list. They're the same. And while I see his criticism, having worn both of these watches, I would say they do not feel the same. To me, they do not feel the same at all. They are substantially different in the way they wear, how they feel, how they look. So I'm good with it. Now, my Zen's on a strap because I was $300 over. on a bracelet. So I put this on a strap. In reality, I'm getting the bracelet. That bracelet's killer.
Andrew Yeah. And if you're willing to drop six grand, what's 300 bucks? So next, my diver.
Everett Okay. Do it. My diver. I didn't know you could get these for this little money. I thought these were significantly more expensive, but the Doxa 300T. I've gone with the Shark Hunter. What is happening to you? The Shark Hunter iteration. That's the black dial. Yeah. Professional being the orange dial. I prefer the blacked out. I think it looks great, especially with that orange printing on the bezel. It's got the double bezel track.
Andrew Yeah, but if you're going to get a Dockside, you sort of have a weird obligation to go orange. Nope. I don't understand why. Nope. Because the orange is ugly.
Everett Yeah. But that's the... Well, it is really, I think, it's the classic, right? It's quote unquote professional. It's the one Dirk Pitt wears. Go blacked out, y'all. It looks better. Yeah, it's a blacked out. And you still get the orange, right? You get the orange printing. I mean, get the one you want, for the love of God, get a blue one. For me, it's the Shark Hunter Black Dao. You know, $1,890 for the 300T. Now the 300 is about $600 more, and that's a little bit more refined watch. The 300T is their big, beefy, no shit, 1,200 meters of water resistance, helium escape valve, herkin jerkin yeah like it'll it'll drag you to that 1200 meter mark right so 42 40 you know but it's pretty compact 42 uh across 44 and a half long 14 thick it's got it's square it is and it's got a flat crystal so it doesn't wear super high either what you need because the the size of that case to get 1200 meters water resistance if you get in a dome it
Andrew It's going to be that globe watch that Mike reviewed. That's right. Yeah, that's right.
Everett Uh, so, and I love them. I just think that's one of the coolest watches. I don't know. You know, people talk about docs in these weird ways. Uh, I look at that watch and I think, yep, this is a super cool watch.
Andrew I think it's kind of like a mystical, uh, like reverence. Yeah. Cult following. Yeah.
Everett It's, it's interesting. That's right. Uh, but I dig it. And I would love to wear one of those. I'd love to own one of those. Uh, so that's number three. So now I've got, Diver, I've got OP, I've got Explorer, I've got two OPs, two Explorers.
Andrew The next watch, so this is- Yeah, you gotta go Daytona now. What are you gonna do? I haven't seen this one. You haven't looked at it?
Everett I didn't look. So these watches, I'd call these basic bitch watches. Oh. Oh. Am I allowed to say that word on here? I think so. Okay. This is our show. I'd call these basic bitch watches. I don't feel bad about that. Are they Orion's? Maybe not. Anyway, these are kind of basic. This next watch is not basic. So Cabot watch company makes watches for the military. And in the eighties and nineties, they made a Royal Navy mechanical chronograph that they issued to pilots. It's called the CWC RN fleet mechanical chronograph. What? Uh, I don't have a picture of it on this piece of paper, so you're going to have to Google it. Cabot sells these, so they no longer make them. but they have a bunch of new old stock. They sell them for 1,500 pounds, Great British pounds. Prices converted to 2045, 2045. These are new old stock, so I assume there's limited availability. It's a Valjoux 7765, which is a gelded, a neutered 7750, so no rotor. The size is good. Size is great. Size is great. So 40 millimeters by 46. 19 millimeter lugs, but the strap they sell it with is a 20 millimeter strap and it looks fine. This was built to an MOD spec, the defense standard 66-4. I don't know what that is, but it is. It's something. It is a military watch.
Andrew It's an asymmetric case with great crown guards.
Everett Asymmetric case. Yeah, fantastic. And it's super military, right? Oh, it's the other interesting thing. Two sub registers. 9 and 12, uh, which I think is very, very interesting. I love this watch. I want to buy one of these. It's 2000 bucks and I probably won't, but I want to buy one. So in my, this is not a Daytona. No, not by a long shot. It's a chronograph. It's a field chronograph. It's a pilot's chronograph. Yeah. It's a, it's blasted case. Yeah. You know what I mean?
Andrew Anyway, this is my, you were, I thought you were disagreeing with it being a pilot's chronograph. I was ever, the name is Royal Navy.
Everett No, no, it's certainly a pilot's chronograph. It is. This is my kind of watch. A Daytona, not really my kind of watch. A Zen 104, not my kind of watch. This is my kind of watch. It's perfect.
Andrew As per usual, you cheated.
Everett I will say, at the end of the day, I came up to $5,855. Cheated twice. Why did I cheat on... How did you figure I cheated on this one? Oh, $5,890.
Andrew Because it's not a Daytona analog.
Everett It's not even close. It fits the collection. It's close in that it's a chronograph. Exactly. So you admit it. Fixed spring bars on that, guys. Acrylic crystal. I love it. I think it's fantastic. It's a dope watch.
Andrew It's not a Daytona analog.
Everett It's still the coolest watch that we've talked about today. So I guess that's the thing. If you're doing this exercise, do you need to have, I mean, do I need to have a chronograph with an external bezel?
Andrew I don't know, and that's the question that we're addressing today. That's right. We created these fun lists that are totally out of our wheelhouse, that are so far beyond reach watches that they're not even in the realm of discussion, you know, barring the Hellcat.
Everett Yeah, well, I mean, I think I could get, theoretically, someday, I might buy either the Doxo or the CWC, but there's no impulse buying those things. No, there's absolutely no. That's a year's worth of savings for me.
Andrew Yeah. But the dedicated watch that brings the discussion of diminishing return. And that's really what we kind of wanted to hit on today. And that's that's why I talked about the the Tudor Black Bay being the entry level watch. Anything below it isn't even a watch. Where is that? Like what what are we getting out of the Rolex purchase out of the... I'm surprised neither of us had any Omegas on the list.
Everett Oh, Omegas are hard to find. You can't find a new Omega for under five grand. Yeah, that's fair. It doesn't exist. That's fair. You know what the Omega under five grand is? The Manta Triumph.
Andrew Yeah. Or the Seamaster. You can't get a Seamaster. No, the Manta Seamaster.
Everett Monta doesn't make a Seamaster. What's their diver? There's Atlas, there's Triumph, and there's... There's the Noble? We can't think of the diver. It's not a Seamaster, but yeah, that's right. Ocean King. Ocean King. Seamaster. It's the same. It's the same.
Andrew It is the same. I think Ocean King might even be a better name.
Everett You know, you get to a point where you have to decide, what do you want? Yeah. And you get to make those decisions, right? I don't want a Daytona style dive watch or a Daytona style chronograph.
Andrew I don't want a Daytona style dive watch either.
Everett I want a Zen 356 or a new old stock Cabot Royal Navy fleet chronograph, right?
Andrew But here I have, I have side by side, the good speed scout and a Manta Atlas. Very different watches. Very different watches. Objectively speaking, so we have a $300 watch and a $2,000 watch. Objectively speaking, the finishing on the Manta is better. Oh my gosh. It's just, it's, it is. Yes. But is it $1,700 better in the way of production and sales? Yes. In the way of my, of a person's enjoyment of it? I don't know. To people like us, we can see the difference.
Everett Yeah, and let's be clear here. We're not talking about pork. We're not talking about fat. We're not talking about an overly inflated MSRP. No, not by a long shot. We're talking about what you value in your watch wearing, right?
Andrew where does it become intrinsic to you value, and fuck you, this is what I like, against dollar value, right? And we were talking about this earlier this week, and I think there's three thresholds where there's diminishing return thresholds. And I think they're at 500, 1,000, and $1,500 for a complication watch. Because the difference between a $300 watch and an $800 watch is barely noticeable. The difference between a $300 watch and a $1,000 watch is apparent to people like us, who spend an absurd amount of time with watches. Totally absurd. And have an unreasonable amount of hands-on experience with watches. We've handled, each independently, more watches in the last two years than most people will ever see in their lives. And we're on the low side of people who are doing what we're doing. Way on the low side. Yeah. But there comes a point where it's, where that, I take issue with the, if it's not a, Tudor is your entry-level watch. I take issue with that in a very, very real way. Because this Scout is objectively great.
Unknown Yeah.
Everett Objectively great. And actually just cool. Yeah. This is a cool watch. Yeah. And, and part of that cool is that it's coming in at a price point. That's not going to shock your wife. No, she won't leave you. Even if you say, Hey, honey, I'm deciding to buy my first watch ever. I'm 40 years old and I'd like to buy a watch. And I found this one. Right. That's a lot. That's a much different quote. That's a much different conversation than you or I have with our wives. Right. Yeah. If we say, Hey, I want to buy a watch. It's $900. She says, well, you better save a little bit. Um, a first watch purchaser says, I'm going to want to buy a watch and it's 900 bucks. It's going to be therapy, right?
Andrew Like best case scenario. I, to put it in respect tonight, I, uh, I heard on the news that NASA was releasing a bunch of forever stamps. And that was the moment I decided to break to my wife that in the next two years, I want to buy moon watches. So I want to get a lunar pilot. I want to get a Speedmaster. A reduced. Yeah. And I don't even like the Speedmaster that much, but I like space that much that it's, I want to buy something to connect me to that.
Everett You know what you should look at? You should look at the cosmonaut. You should look at the Fortis cosmonaut.
Andrew Oh, I'm going to for sure in the next couple years get a get one of the Strela Cosmos.
Everett Oh, those are really neat. Yeah. But I think that's right. I think that you're sort of cluing in on something a lot of people. So our friend Evan Casper, who writes for the website, and he's just been a good friend of of me personally for for a long time. He's got a fantastic collection of vintage watches. But he's of the opinion that the Cosmonaut, or maybe it's not the Cosmonaut, it's one of the Fortis chronographs, that it's objectively a better watch than the Speedmaster. And I have not taken the time to really think about that, because for me, it doesn't matter. For me, the Speedmaster is just fucking cool in a way that the Cosmonaut or the Fortis is not going to be cool. And that's just for me, right? That's not objective at all. That's totally personal. We're doing this exercise, kind of poking fun at Rolex, right?
Andrew A little bit.
Everett A little bit. To say, for the price of a single OP, you can get these watches.
Andrew But at the end of the day... That are fucking dope, grail-style watches.
Everett At the end of the day, if what you want is the Rolex, you should not buy these watches.
Andrew No, because there's nothing more valuable than that. We, as the consumer, are responsible for the value. And that's what I think it comes down to. I don't think I can tell you what your watch value is, except for your Speedmaster, and I will offer you all the money and receipts that are in my wallet. Mostly receipts. I think there's a dollar in there. But the receipts have a lot of dollars on them. Yeah, that's true. So, you know, there's that. I have a lot of Lowe's receipts. I keep them for some reason. It's like a stanza over here. It's like a reminder of how much I... It doesn't matter. The value of the watch is created by us as consumers. Yeah. Because to me, an OP has absolutely no value. I could not be less interested in that watch. If you were to walk up to me and say, hey, I have this, and I couldn't resell it because we have to bar that. Like, you can buy this for $300, but you have to keep it forever.
Everett But like Omer at one of the guys at Half Watch Tuesday, Omer, just bought a green OP, and I think he's in love. He should be. I think he's in love. I think he sold a bunch of watches, consolidated his collection, and found a watch that he's just enamored by, and I think that's awesome, and I think it's worth it, right? So we're not saying the OP's not worth it. We're saying there's opportunities here.
Andrew And within this conversation, I just bought an Atlas. I spent all of last year I bought a watch last year. I bought a Saab because I had a windfall and I wanted a Saab. And I knew that they were about to skyrocket in price. So if I was going to buy one, it had to be then. So I bought a Saab last year. That was the only watch purchase I made last year because everything else was being diverted because I needed a fucking Atlas. There's other GMTs out there. The Hyperion is a really good example. There's another company, I forget who makes it. They use the same movement and they got theirs under $700. I think they're like $659. It's similarly sized. I wish I could remember the brand. Um, I love the Hyperion. I really like Baltic's comparison. It wasn't the GMT function. I wanted a GMT, but I wanted the Atlas.
Everett Yeah. And it's not about specs. It's about the watch that you fell in love with.
Unknown Yeah.
Andrew And the specs are great. And objectively, This is the absolute best bracelet I've ever worn or handled. It is. It is. It's fantastic. It's a perfect bracelet. Everything else, the specs can be matched and out outperformed in other segments, but this is the one. And you saved for it. I would have paid more than $2,000 for this watch. It wasn't the price tag. It was what it meant to me. I created the value. Yeah. It's not that it's Swiss. It's not the logo at 12 o'clock.
Everett It's, this is, this is the one. You fell in love with the watch and you bought the watch and you're going to love it forever. Yep. I think it's amazing. You know, there's something to be said for, um, there's something to be said for slow collecting. I think we both are slow collectors. I think there's a lot of folks that we talk to regularly that are really fast. They just want to touch everything.
Andrew And they're flippers too. There's a lot of those people out there and neither of us really are.
Everett Pete, chilling with watches Pete, uh, he just loves to touch everything. A new watch comes out, he buys it, he touches it. Can't wait to go to his house. And he gets rid of it, right? Yeah. And that's how he enjoys the hobby. And I think that's okay. I don't think that, but I know that's not for me. That's not the way I want it. I think so long about these purchases and then I buy a watch and I have a hard time getting rid of them. But it's because I knew when I bought it that I really wanted this watch. Now there've been some fails.
Andrew Yeah, there's been some letdowns.
Everett Some letdowns. But by and large, I buy a watch because I know I want that watch. And then when it comes time to try to sell something, I'm like, I don't want to sell anything because I love all my watches.
Andrew Yeah, because they all hold a place. They all represent something. They represent a hunt, a chase, a pursuit, a love that brought that watch to you. And that's where the value comes in. And as we're in this conversation of diminishing return, What it it kind of has become an existential conversation of what matters to you That's right That's right because it the dollar amount should matter, but that can't be the determining factor At least it shouldn't be yeah, if you want that $25,000 Patek then well you're gonna spend some time saving right
Everett Or not, or maybe you have the ability to buy that, but if that's the watch you want.
Andrew And if you do, there's some things that me and Everett would like to talk to you about, please message us. But yeah, that's what it comes down to is we create the value. It's not what, and what I want to encourage people who are listening, who are perhaps new to the hobby, who are just finding us and are in this world of affordable and unaffordable and unobtainium watches, you create the value. Don't let the world of this industry and this segment of consumer goods tell you what you should like.
Everett Yeah, that's right. And figure out what you like too, right? That's the other thing. Figure out what you like. It took me a long time to figure out what I liked.
Andrew We both have a ton of watches that have no value in resale that we purchased and don't like or are just like medium about.
Unknown Yeah.
Everett Yeah. You know, my favorite watches, uh, two watches that I bought used took me a long time. Well, one of them was kind of used, took me a long time to find them. That Pulsar, that Pulsar G10 watch, that tiny little dinky quartz Pulsar G10 and that titanium JDM G-Shock.
Andrew That's so fucking ugly.
Everett And you love it. Everybody hates it. Nobody likes that watch but me. And that's okay.
Andrew For some reason it was still hard to find.
Everett It was super hard to find. Well, it's because Japanese people have little wrists, which there's plenty of them available, but they all have like six and a quarter inch. One link. That's right. Debbie, if you want a titanium G shock, the world is your oyster. Yeah. But yeah, I was able to get that watch and it was, I think, 500 bucks, which is a lot of money for that watch. But it was new old stock.
Andrew I mean, like a third of that price was shipping.
Everett It was new old stock. It had its tags on it. It's my watch and I fucking love it. I, I love it. It's maybe my favorite watch out of all my watches. It's maybe my favorite watch. So that's, that's the kind of watch you want. Yeah. It doesn't have to be a weird titanium G shock, but it could be, but it could be, it's the watch that you find and you're like, that's the one man. That is cool. I love putting it on. I love wearing it. Nobody's ever asked me about it. Nobody's ever noticed it. It doesn't matter because I, put it on my wrist and I'm like, this is a cool watch. And I know you think it's ugly and you still know that it's cool. You look at it and you're like, yeah, that's cool. It's ugly. I wouldn't wear it, but that's actually pretty cool.
Andrew No. And, and that's the first thing I said. It was like, dude, this thing is ugly as sin. I'm so glad you have it.
Everett You got to figure out, you got to find your titanium JDM G shock from 1996, right? Or whatever it is. That's, that's.
Andrew Cause it could be the Orion Hellcat. It could be something from the sector series. It could be, A citizen, I mean, it could be a Nighthawk. It could be an Alpinist. It could be any of these things. And don't let the watch industry tell you it has to be a big pilot. Don't let them tell you it has to be a Speedy or a Pelagos. You got to make that decision for yourself. Pelagos. No, it's Pelagos.
Everett Andrew, did you come with another thing tonight?
Andrew I did, but importantly. I need to remind everyone, Mike and Will are going to have their write-ups on the website of their OP list replacements.
Everett Yeah. So when you're done listening to here, go to the, when you're done listening to here.
Unknown Yeah.
Everett Whatever. Go to the website and look at Mike and Will's selection. They did the same thing we did. Yeah. Or at least I assume they did.
Andrew They wrote about it. Well, they're supposed to. It hasn't happened yet. We're speaking in the future. Mike and Will, you damn well better made your list.
Everett See what those guys, both of those guys have more experience touching watches than we do. I think they just have a bit wider breadth of knowledge. Mike works at a watch shop part time and Will has... I think he just goes in.
Andrew I think the guy just accepts that this weirdo strolls in and walks in the back and doesn't take things and he's cool with it.
Everett And then Will obviously has owned a lot of very, very new watches and he touches So many watches.
Andrew So many watches, yeah. He touches so many watches, he's sad about it sometimes.
Everett Well, gosh, that guy, it was like a week or two ago. Well, he was on the show. We talked about it. Yeah. It's like I've got 12 reviews in queue.
Andrew Brutal. We're just going to keep bullshitting, drinking beer.
Everett Sorry, dad. This is a free project that we're doing. Congratulations, Will. You've got 40 hours of work ahead of you. Godspeed.
Andrew So, I do have another thing. I made a purchase today, and it's a purchase that I can't believe I hadn't made until today, and I have no excuse for it. I went to Costco and I bought Blink cameras. You can go to the Costco and get a five pack of Blink cameras, four outdoor and one indoor for 300 bucks.
Everett Do you put the indoor one in the shower?
Andrew Where else would you put it? That's what I thought, just making sure. mounts to the ceiling, sits down, gets a little foggy, but it's whatever. That's a bucket load of cameras. So I got them home. I set them up. I realized I didn't remember my Wi-Fi password because in the last two years, my iPhone has had my Wi-Fi password. It just knows. And every time you try to log in a new device, it just buzzes your phone and says, this device is trying to log in. And you're like, cool, let it log in. So I had to remember my Wi-Fi password. to log my camera system into my Wi-Fi, but I got it in. It's an old password. It's a two-year-old password, so I had to go, like, deep into the treasure chest of, like, what was I using then? And I found it. These are terrific. They are wireless. They're battery-powered. They have a two-year battery life, is what they're suggesting. I imagine probably, like, 15 months is gonna be about what I'm gonna get. They mount super easy. The setup is super easy. You, you, they've got like a little dot, like an echo dot sized pad that plugs in. And that's the power source, the little wifi signal for all your cameras. You sync it up. You take a picture of the QR code on all your cameras. They sync immediately to your little dot. They've got a really easy mounting system, two screws right into the siding of your house, pop the camera on the mount. And then they're, they're ready to go. You can adjust your sensitivity. You can adjust the frame. So all of mine capture some of the road and you can black that out in the way you set up your camera so that you don't, you're not picking every time a car drives by, you're not getting your recording. Um, they're passive recording. So I could turn it on and say capture, uh, you can, I, so when I left the house, I armed my system and all my cameras started sending me alerts every time something hit my, hit my front yard or my backyard. 2K, IR, nighttime usage, talk through all of them. It was... I felt like I was joining present day. When I got on my phone, I was like looking at a live feed of me as I was adjusting the camera to where I wanted to be. And for 300 bucks, I have no excuse for why I haven't done this already.
Unknown Yeah.
Andrew Because I scold people all the time for not having security cameras at their house. Right. All the time. Like, but just so you know, I don't have them either. So.
Everett Plumber's got the leakiest pipes in town.
Andrew Yeah, no. So don't feel bad. But if you're in the market, it's a free, you've got free storage, unlike Ring, where you have to pay your monthly membership and people pay it annually. And it's next to nothing. If you already have Ring, you're not being cheated. There's tons of platforms out there. But I got to say, I'm digging the Blink cameras. go to the Costco, check it out, because it's also a good deal. And it's kind of fun to walk, like to go walk up to a display that shows a bunch of security cameras, because they obviously don't have the security cameras out in five packs at Costco. So you just pick up this cardboard, like cut out again, and then like a six by 10 sheet of cardboard, right? And you throw it in your cart and you walk up and you hand them the sheet of cardboard and they return to you with a box of cameras. I didn't understand it at first. I was like, are you out of stock? And I just stood there. There's a shitload of them. There's like 50 of these cardboard sheets in their display. And I just held it in my hand. And I'm like looking around for a Costco employee. And finally one walked by and I was like, is this what I use to buy this?
Everett Do I just... That's the cameras. They're cut out.
Andrew You just... Like, do I... How do I get... How do I get the cameras? She's like, well, you take it to the register and they scan it and they bring you the cameras.
Everett It's like, hmm. Some brave new world, man.
Andrew Okay. And I like dropped this sheet of cardboard in my, this 400 or $300 sheet of cardboard in my cart when checked out, but got them all set up super easy. It was about an hour to get them all set up and installed, but it's terrific. You can talk through all of them. I went outside to test it and my wife started getting all the text alerts and she started talking to me through the camera. It's like, it's working, it's working. The cameras work. I was like, obviously they work.
Everett Oh,
Andrew That's my other thing.
Everett I want to go to your house and say stuff into your camera.
Andrew Feel free. I'm going to. Yeah.
Everett Feel free. I'm going. I'm going to do that next time I'm in the neighborhood.
Andrew Yeah. Cool. Yeah. So that's my other thing.
Everett You got another thing? I've got another thing. Uh, this is a late, I had another thing and then I swapped it out for this. Oh, you would. I swapped it out for this. And, and I was talking to Will, our friend, the watch clicker, earlier today.
Andrew Daddy. He's. Was it when they, Mike accidentally FaceTimed us?
Everett Uh, it was right around the same time. Okay. Yeah, right around the same time. Um, Will is just started The Sopranos.
Unknown Oh, yeah.
Everett And he's watched it before, but this is his second time through. He said it's been a long time. Uh, which I think is a great decision. If you haven't watched The Sopranos in, you know, the last decade, I think it's worth a watch.
Andrew Even the last five years. That's like a, that's a every five years full series watch.
Everett It's so good. So, so good. Anyway, that's not the, that's not my other thing. Uh, but he says watching just started the Sopranos and Christopher has a 1999 Lexus LS 400 and they're making a big deal of it because I am an LS 400 driver and I'm a big, uh, semi-ironic fan of the LS 400. I just love that vehicle. I love mine. Every time someone's talking about buying a car, I say, have you considered an LS 400? Anyway, it's, it's a gag at this point. Uh, but you know, And I said, well, have you watched? And we started talking about the LS 400 a little bit. And I said, well, have you watched Donut Media's Everything You Need to Know About the LS 400? And he's like, I don't watch Lexus Enthusiast YouTube. Who does? Which is fair. And it made me realize he didn't know Donut Media because I think a lot of people who are not car people don't know Donut Media. Donut Media is a YouTube site and website. And they just talk about all things cars. They are idiots. Butch tracks. In the best possible way. Yeah. In the best possible way. The main host guy has sort of a Matty Madison thing going on. He's over the top and silly. Not quite Matty Madison level, but ridiculous cadence. But they've got a series called everything you need to know about blank. One of theirs is everything you need to know about the LS 400. And that is going to be my other thing for the week. Not because you care about the LS 400, but because it's an introduction to Donut Media's everything you need to know about. If you like cars at all. If you drive a car, they're worth watching. If you drive a car. Yeah. So it's sort of like one of my favorite podcast stuff you should know. It's sort of like that in that they take these really sort of benign topics and tell you everything about them in a way that's compelling and interesting, and in this case, funny and stupid and absolutely entertaining. So that's my other thing for the week. Donut Media, everything you need to know about the LS400, and then the Donut Media rabbit hole that that takes you down.
Andrew Or just pick everything you need to know about
Everett car you currently drive or they probably have it or anything yeah that's right any car you're interested in just donut media everything you need to know about and watch the one that's the most interesting but you should watch the ls 400 because it's the greatest car ever made you'll learn a little something about ever you wish you didn't know because it's the it's the greatest car ever made that's a true story disagree andrew thanks for making a list for this week pt cruiser
Andrew Why would I not make a list?
Everett I always make a list. I think that there's an everything you need to know about PT Cruiser. I think that there is.
Andrew I'm sure there is, because it's an embarrassing car.
Everett Why would I not make a list? I don't know. I just thought... You said that like I don't make lists. I know. You just phoned it in most of the time. Usually, yeah. I didn't. I took a nap before I came. You really carried your weight today. Unusual. Very. I appreciate you for it. You should. Anything you want to add before we wrap up for the day?
Andrew No, I'm out of things.
Everett I want a lot of things too.
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